The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 | 07:24 AM
Peter,

Disclaimer #2

Jupiter from Jewpiter (Peter) thinks well outside the "mainstream" box. This is not, in itself, a negative trait, but the veracity of statements should be considered with care.

http://progressivehouse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5185&view=previous

EDH UK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 | 07:38 AM
Peter,

Are you currently living in Ohio, USA, or in Europe?

http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/benefit-of-belief-3829.html#post42938

"I started my own non-profit corporation, established on 05.05.05 here in
state of Ohio, and it is called " LoveScience of Destiny corp."
with purpose, or mission if you will, to gather all people on Planet, that
See what I see, and Feel what I feel."

Interests:
Truth distribution
Occupation:
Food Distribution

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 | 07:45 AM
Peter, PLAIDBACK

?

"Hey Guys ! check out my " Mega Millions " ticket from Oct.18.05 drawing,
Pot was 90 mil.$ , winning numbers are in red marker
http://musicv2.com/artist_page/displ...e_description=
Musicv2 - "Better Than Free Mp3 Hosting For Dj's and Musicians"
I feel, better luck's comming my way ....."

And then there was LifeWave...

Perhaps Peter IS a Prophet?

Enjoy,
Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 | 08:04 AM
Than you Peter for more of your insights.

http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/everything-you-know-is-the-4071.html

"If you say, there is no Angels, as Human image creatures with wings, I would say, I feel you _Z_, because I have never seen One in real life.
Unfortunately, there are millions that also didn't, but they still Believe. And they feel each other, it is Mass Hypnosis."

"There is only One way to discover reality, and it's called Life. I don't even want to know what is empiricism, I don't need to know."

"First you calling me a Bully, then you calling me a Liar. And then you telling me, what to do !
Did I ever told you what should you do ??"

"People that are trying to make someone believe something that is not true, are called Ministers or Preachers of so called " Christian " so called Religion."

"And third, I got CDL since '82, that's what, 23 years, and all I can tell you, is, talking about Trucks, cars and Chances of something happening in Traffic with me is not going to get You nowhere. You just have used very bad Example, in trying to proove I am Liar."

"I don't have beliefs, and would really like to know, how can person truly enhance well-being, and gain advantage, by having a belief of any kind ?"

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 | 08:20 AM
Last one:

http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/benefit-of-belief-3829.html

"Fourteen years ago I was living in Serbia Yugoslavia), and one day I am having vison ( you, know, like ideas, that you project in your mind)
of flying to New York, having black wife and two kids, nice house, job,fast car and in general life I've always wanted.

First I was very scared and suspected acid-flashback, but it turned out it was truth. And all of that have happend, and that's where I am right Now.

One day after Pope died, came second one. This time, first came vision of an Thought process that eliminates emotions, and every new day I saw more and more of what is going to happend with me and the world.

True love replaces, all emotions, that is what I feel. It is natural for me to know how emotions work, because I used to have them.

As I've told you, I am Not Prophet, I can understand prophecies that were written by Prophets, ability to read Metaphores, that's all."

Thank you Peter. That's probably helped people get a much better appreciation of who you are and what you represent.

They can use your valuable words in reaching a decision on the subject of this thread in the Museum of Hoaxes.

You are claiming that LifeWave LLC has produced plastic patches containing glucose (brown) and glycerin (white) that you stick on your body. The patches then "tell" your cells to "produce" more energy...and they do.

You are claiming that this is due to a NEW SCIENCE "invented" by "Dr." David Schmidt ( a man with no scientific background but with a business degree)and that the whole process is too difficult to understand, so, for now, we should just "believe" this to be true because you say it is.

Simple.

Thank you once again for clearing that up.

EDH UK
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 | 11:55 AM
EDH UK,
My oposition to any organized religion, my explanation on how to look at prophecies from Scriptures, and things that have happen' in my life,
shouldn't be taken as an argument in LifeWave deal.
I'm in Serbia since March, wife and kids have just moved to Jacksonville Fla. Had to close that Nanotech LLC, cause Laws in Serbia are not friendly.
My position was always as LifeWave consumer anyway.I feel much better wearing LW Energy Enhancer, than 15 min. after drinking Red Bull, same as Everyone else buying LW, instead Red Bull.
None of the products is a scam.
There is brand new "X patch" going to be promoted in Las Vegas. LW claims it does stop aging. Now,
I have never said that prophecies from Daniel,
Isaiah and few others, about Messiah from the line
of King David have anything to do with LW, but,
if those "silly" patches really do.. Nah, it doesn't matter anyway, those stories were about Jesus and 2000 years ago.
Dunno, for me personally,, patches do work, and people should try them, they are money back guarantee. And, as of right now, don't see the signs of LW sinking either. And you people saying It's already been finished.
Yeah, and again, what does all of those examples of your hard work showing my participation in other forums on subjects not related to LW, have to do with this forum ?
Or, if you were trying to discredit me with any of
my statements from other forums, do say, what is it that I've said, can be taken as crazy or whathaveyou.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 | 12:39 PM
Peter,

When I read someone's statements, I like to have some idea of that person's thinking processes in helping me to look at those statements.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 | 11:02 AM
Here's a link to the FTC's judgment against the purveyors of the Q-Ray scam pain relief bracelet.

Court Rules In FTC's Favor In Q-Ray Bracelet Case; Orders Defendants To Pay Up To $87 Million
The federal district court in Chicago has ruled for the Federal Trade Commission in its case against the marketers of the Q-Ray ionized bracelet following a bench trial earlier this summer. In a decision issued September 8, the court found that advertising by Que Te (Andrew) Park and his companies was false and misleading in representing that the bracelet provides immediate, significant, and/or complete pain relief, and that scientific tests proved that it relieves pain. . . .

The court found that pain relief claims of the type made by the defendants should be supported by competent and reliable scientific evidence consisting of at least one well-conducted, placebo-controlled, randomized, double-blind clinical study. The court held that the FTC met its burden of proof in establishing that the defendants did not have or rely upon any such data. The court also ruled that the claims were not supported even if some studies showed that the bracelets had a placebo effect, noting that, for a placebo to work,
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 | 01:08 PM
Joel,
Your last statement was a good one. And I especially like the part of the FTC judgement that says:

"The court also ruled that the claims were not supported even if some studies showed that the bracelets had a placebo effect, noting that, for a placebo to work,
Joe
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 | 01:34 PM
They might. Those patches are expensive.
Joe
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 | 01:41 PM
Unfortunately, I think it will take a long time (more than 6 years) for Lifewave to be brought down by the FTC, because Lifewave seems to stay under the marketing radar. I haven't seen any Lifewave infomercials, but I assume DS will not make his product too well known because the gaining popularity, although great for his wallet, might lead to a faster collapse.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 | 02:12 PM
And FTC's judgements are controlled by who ?
Legally snatchin' 87 million bucks sounds like easy money to me. The only reason why they waited 6 years
is for those poor shmucks to make some $$$, so they can take it from them. From what I know, I've heard
nothing but good things from people in US, mostly
golfers, how great those Q-Ray bracelets are. In
6 years, you guys have had only four pages, about
Mega scam called Q-Ray ? What a shock.
People can do Unimaginable, if they have power, especially if there is nobody controlling them.
More money, more powder. Who is controlling what
Big Time Money is doing all over the world ? Russia, China ? UN ?
So if you want to make someone believe FTC judgements are always legit, try that with someone else.
But if you need a DJ for your Grave dancing Parties, I don't spin Lambada or Macarena, sorry.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 | 04:28 PM
Peter

"And FTC's judgements are controlled by who ?
Legally snatchin' 87 million bucks sounds like easy money to me. The only reason why they waited 6 years is for those poor shmucks to make some $$$, so they can take it from them."

Yet again a prime example of your very individual and unusual thought processes. Maybe your earlier "experimentation" with recreational pharmaceuticals has done irreparable damage. It's certainly looking more and more like it with each strange statement you make.

It's time to make some good friends in the mainstream who might be able to help you get back on track, if indeed you ever were.

EDH UK
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 | 04:41 PM
Peter:

"And FTC's judgements are controlled by who?"

In this case, it was the federal district court for the Northern District of Illinois, located in Chicago. So the judgment was obtained in a regular federal court of law, just like any other lawsuit based on U.S. national law. The FTC was the plaintiff, and the peddlers of the Q-Ray bracelet were the defendants.

"From what I know, I've heard nothing but good things from people in US, mostly golfers, how great those Q-Ray bracelets are."

Peter, does that mean that you're going to order your Q-Ray bracelet? From their website, it looks like you can still order one. Are you going to try the Harmony Chip as well, which looks like such a better deal than LifeWave patches. According to the Harmony Chip website, those nifty plastic cards with tin foil on them do so much more than LifeWave patches could ever dream about doing, and for a fraction of the cost (projected out over the 10-year guaranteed lifetime of the Harmony Chip). The Harmoney Chip comes with a money back guarantee (just like the Q-Ray bracelet did), so it must work as advertised, right? If you try them, please let us know how the bracelet and the plastic card with tin foil work for you.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 | 03:06 AM
EDH UK,
Let's see your thought process.
Every statement from any US Federal organization
is truth, only truth, and nothing but the truth.
I feel you, and don't want to call you gullible, because you reserve rights to believe whatever your
beliefs are.
On Federal court ( regardless of a district ) with FTC as plaintiff, those Park people didn't stand
chance. No word about "duped" buyers, their claims..
6 years of Q-Ray sales, generating 87 mil.$, and now every single buyer want the refund, says who ?
Plaintiff ? Who cares, Parks are chinks anyway, right.
Do you have an Idea how many people in US, UK,
Benelux countries, Germany... have dropped Acid ?
Last time I did it was '90, and according to you,
we are all crazy today, correct ?

Because I play every week one line of Lotto numbers representing birthdates of my family,
I'am money hungry bitch, right ?
Because I like to exchange opinions on various forums about different subjects with other people,
you find that compromizing with my take on LifeWave patches ?

Again, what is it that you've found on my statements that is detached from reality, and it should qualify myself as irrational person ??

As I've said before, I don't have nothing against you, but reserve right to explain why you are
what is usualy used as term for person with your kind of attitude.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 | 03:27 AM
"Again, what is it that you've found on my statements that is detached from reality, and it should qualify myself as irrational person ??"

...not even gonna go there...
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 | 03:30 AM
then, go and F yourself
Charybdis
in Hell
 Member
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 | 08:28 AM
<b>Play nice or you won't be playing at all. So far this thread has been remarkably well behaved. Let's keep it that way.</b>

Charybdis - <b>Mod</b>
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 | 04:55 PM
Peter

By definition, a delusion is not subject to logical argument.

"a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact"

I respectfully submit that you have consistently resisted reason and fact in your insistence that the LifeWave patches are a real product with real verifiable effects.

Any further conversation with you is clearly pointless.

Dave
EDH UK
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 | 05:58 PM
Peter insisted over and over again that Lifewave patches can only be called a scam product, and DS labeled a scamster, after they have been proven to be so in a court of law. But when it was pointed out to him that the Q-Ray pain relief bracelet was proven in a court of law to be a scam, and its peddlers to be scamsters, Peter insisted that the judgment must be wrong because he personally knows people who feel something when they golf with the bracelets on. So Peter has spent all this time insisting on "proof" that he knows he wouldn't give any credibility to anyway.

Yeah, there's no use trying to discuss anything with Peter anymore. I suggest that we simply ignore his angry foul-mouthed rants, other than to suggest that he try three strategically placed Harmony Chips to see if their healing energy might improve his disposition.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 | 06:11 PM
Joel

I was a psychiatric nurse in the UK and learned at the very beginning of my nurse training that you can NEVER argue against a delusion!

I've been willing to think that Peter is not deluded, but alas, I think I was wrong.

Cheers,
Dave
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 | 11:14 PM
The Only reason why this thread has passed 150 pages is ignorance and disrespect toward consumer rights.
We finaly have Dave letting all hang out and explaining why is he calling crazy every person that have come to this forum to explain why they use LifeWave.
He clearly, all this time have the same attitude and comparing Me and other LifeWave users with insane patients in Mental Hospital.
And that kind of attitude is called by moderator of this forum " Remarkably well behaved ".
All this time there is a Kindergarten feeling of
" My Dad's gonna kick your Dad's ass ".
All this time I was trying to point out your right
to Judge LifeWave, and protect myself from being judged, and called names for buying LifeWave product.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 | 11:45 PM
Joel,
Please feel free to believe everything that US Federal Government / " US politicians " say is
the Truth, don't mind my scepticism.
" O! say can you see .... "
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 | 11:55 PM
God, I couldn't even sit on my hands for a full 24 hours!

It would seem that in Peter's eyes, there is no room for the ability to judge something on its own merit, and everything must be totally one way, or totally the other.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 | 01:03 AM
Joel said:

"Peter insisted over and over again that Lifewave patches can only be called a scam product, and DS labeled a scamster, after they have been proven to be so in a court of law. But when it was pointed out to him that the Q-Ray pain relief bracelet was proven in a court of law to be a scam, and its peddlers to be scamsters, Peter insisted that the judgment must be wrong because he personally knows people who feel something when they golf with the bracelets on. So Peter has spent all this time insisting on "proof" that he knows he wouldn't give any credibility to anyway."

Yup, you summed it up pretty well, Joel. Isn't the mind of the fanatic fascinating? Appalling but fascinating just the same.

I think if D.S. himself went on national TV and admitted that LifeWave was a scam, the True Believers would say that he put his patches on backwards that day and his "reversed aura" made him lie.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 | 01:08 AM
I'm not trying to take things off-topic here, but I think we're currently seeing the "fanatic syndrome" with the Bush administration.

Over a dozen of the generals who were prosecuting the Iraq war as recently as a few months ago and a report from ALL of the intelligence agencies of the U.S. say that the war is making the world LESS safe and has created MORE terrorism. The administration clings to the idea that all this evidence is meaningless.

Again, I'm not trying to be overtly political, but this really looks to me like the exact same kind of thinking as the LifeWave True Believers engage in. If the facts contradict your beliefs, the facts must be ignored. It really is an interesting quirk of the human mind.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 | 01:58 AM
CMG,
Dude, you got it all wrong, check out my posts, and you'll see me saying that I respect Bush and
American Government. Bush is a Player, who is destined to be in position He's in, and do what He do. There is American saying " Don't hate the Player, hate the Game " I don't hate NOTHING and NOBODY. US have destroyed my Country by Recognizing unrecognizable, in order to preserve American way of Life. It's all Business, only hard core Romantics still call it Politics.
Operation Iraqi Liberation spells out something that is not connected with never found Weapons of
Mass Destruction, that was original "reason" for
Assault.

I am not fanatic, and your assumption of what would I do If... do not make me One.

I do respect the Law, one made by Nature, and one made by Man. Fanatics do Not.
Same goes for FTC, it is American theritory, American Law, if they say LifeWave is a Scam, then
LifeWave is a scam, not because some small group
of Fanatics say so.
If somebody ask me about Q-Ray products, I'll tell
them to pay close attention, cause FTC says it is
scam.

BTW, does anyone here knows how long it's gonna take FTC to close them for Business ?
Or 87 mils is only a fine, or should I say racket.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 | 03:06 AM
I mentioned the concept of "puffery" in advertising the other day. I just stumbled across a reference to it here:

http://www.mouseprint.org/

Scroll down to the entry about Gorilla Glue.

I'll repeat my question: are you LifeWave True Believers now saying that the claims made for your little plastic patches are not to be taken seriously by the users?
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 | 03:54 AM
CMG,
I felt you, first time you've mentioned "puffery",
It's just that I was too busy handling our ex-nurse over here.
Check out brand new energy drink called "Cocaine"
by Redux Beverages Las Vegasa ( there is no website yet )it's already hitting the fan in the news.
You guys better roll up your sleeves and bust a move.
While livin' in the States, cause my passion for
sports cars, I've noticed huge Lies about cars
advertised performances, left and right.
they know they cant lie about standard features, such as horse power, and other engine specs, but when it comes to performance, accelaration, braking, handling...( aside puffering ) lies that increase customer interest and boost sales.

Same with LifeWave, if David Schmidt was indeed Lying about patches features, His CV, or whatever, He should be held responsible.
And that is solely between Him and FTC, let them
deal with Him, and IF IT HAPPENS, than you can say
" Told you so !!!! "
It is your right as a Consumer, or in your case a
THIRD PARTY, to demand Research, to raise questiones, to express your opinion, to make Banners saying " Don't trust DS, He's a Liar ", and make peacefull demonstrations in front of FTC, see what happens.
But to downplay, ridicule, insult .... LifeWave customers, absolutely ignoring their LAW GIVEN RIGHT, to purchase what's on todays market, is NOT, in any shape or form " well behaved ".
And when spiced with " Remarkably " that statement
is pure, raw Sarcasm, regardless of what our friend from hell was thinking, giving statements of that sort.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 | 06:39 PM
We're long overdue for the next Lifewaver to come by and tell us about how he or she is the world's greatest skeptic but tried the patches and is now a firm believer. Of course they will think that should be enough to convince the rest of us.

***he yawns***

By the way, I was in a mall today and went past a jewelery store that had a big sign out front advertising Q-Ray bracelets. I paused and thought about going in to ask if they knew about the FTC ruling. In the end I didn't. After all, the salesperson is probably not the one who made the decision to sell it and it wouldn't be fair to argue with him/her about a controversy they probably wouldn't understand. Although...it might force them to bring it up with the owner. I might be going to that mall again tomorrow. If so I'll walk by slowly and if a salesperson asks if they can help, I'll enquire.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 01:23 AM
If Jesus Christ comes down flying on the cloud,
find you and tell you " My son, be kind to Lifewavers, they are your brothers, and neighbours,
let them be " My bet is that your answer would be
" My Lord, get the hell away from me with that BS "

Case is closed, because nobody can't proove Lifewave
is NOT a scam, so, you shouldn'y worry about others
I'll be monitoring Every move you make, every breath you take,( I know you're not faking smiles )
every truth you break, every step you take .....
Bring it on.
Joe
Member
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 09:34 AM
Jesus Christ doesn't have to come down on a cloud to say that. It is already written in the Bible to love thy neighbor, but that is a different subject for another forum.

The point is, we are not bashing you or other Lifewave users. We are presenting information and asking questions for others to evaluate and ask questions about. This is a debate. We present information and you present information, then we evaluate it. There have been personal attacks here and there on the forum, but it is about the information presented, not you personally. It is a two-way street though. If someone disagrees with your statements, don't get defensive and assume they are "bashing" you as a person.

Again, burden of proof lies with those making the claims.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 10:34 AM
I've said If .....
And you are not reading right.

If I say LifeWave is a scam, and just continue buying it, as a consumer, are you going to leave me alone, not call any future LifeWavers any names but they poster name, do you think you can do that.
And,
all I'll do is try to outlive, every single one of you, by being here, while LifeWave products are on the market, because that is the only way this Forum will ever end ?. Please

If this wasn't understud, please do tell me why ?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 11:53 AM
Joe,

As I have stated before, by definition, you cannot argue against a delusion.

Dave
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 12:27 PM
Joe,
don't you see, what did I tell you, " I'm delusional ",
after I've said " OK guys LifeWave is a scam, but
I'll keep buying their products "
And EDH's got same attitude from the begining,
flat out taking my consumer rights and slapping
me with terms He used in former occupation.

Next step, arrest all the LifeWave customers,until
tens of thousands of new Mental Hospitals were build, so He can get His old Job back.
Now I finaly see His angle.

Thanks Dave !, from what I see you'll end up back there, one way or another.

cheers
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 12:53 PM
Yupi, no one is taking away your rights to do anything. If you want to buy Lifewave patches, go ahead. All we are doing here is providing a source of information for anyone trying to research the patches before buying. If after hearing both sides they decide to buy, that's their business.

So as long as people keep posting stories about how well they work, even though they have no proof, we'll keep posting about how there is no scientific way they can. Do you think we really care if YOU buy them?
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 01:24 PM
Cap,
My rights were taken, when I was called duped,
gulible, easy prey.... delusional or whathaveyou.
Because, regardless of what you're convinced in,
you can not force that belief on me.

Don't tell me you feel I was claiming your
Leader EDH was takin Physicaly my consumer right.

To make story short, It's new me in town,
I'm saying OK fellows, LifeWay is a scam, and I still do not need your Information, because
I want to buy that scam, because is Legaly on the market. If, one day arrives, without chance for me to exercize my consumer right, I will not buy something that is not outhere.

Personally, don't think is reasonable to expect
to see any more LifeWave users coming over here.
I mean what selfrespected person craves for being
trashed by you " God's Angels " and " Cherubs of Justice "
Don't get me wrong I wouldn't mind, because don't want to see you guys getting depressed, as I see.

I got it, I'll tell my friends, to come over here
and act as hardcore Wavers, so EDH will have more
chances for His remarkably well behavior.

So sharpen your teeth, and wait for some more broken english.

Iz you feel me now ?

Love you so much, my Heroes !
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 01:33 PM
Wow...ummm where to start.

"My rights were taken, when I was called duped,
gulible, easy prey"

What definition of rights are you using, because no matter what anyone might call you on an online message board, you still retain all your rights. I guess I just don't understand. What right was taken from you?

"I mean what selfrespected person craves for being
trashed by you " God's Angels " and " Cherubs of Justice ""

I'm not really sure what God has to do with all this. You're now just putting words in our mouth.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 02:06 PM
Razela, still around kickin', sweet, well, it goes like this.
When you tell me once what you think about the product, I hear you and I give you that right, even
if is very bad taste for you to say It, because
I did not ask you for an opinion. But if you
rub my nose with that desperate-like over and over
try to convince me, something like Jehovah's Witnesses, than you taking my consumer right, because you're just not letting up. The only thing I can do is either run, or get run over, ther is no third option. My consumer right of choosing for my self and not being even questioned, not
to mention called names i VIOLATED.
How can you try to understand me if you welcome,
an backing up that kind of behavior.
And all I can say is that this is the Last I'm mentioning this, cause there is nobody outhere to listen.
Those are just some urban terms, to picture how
" Holy " you people are.
God does not exist, yet. And will not discuss
that one with you, but I can tell you when I saw
it comin. My favorite is Joel 2:17-32
You're kinda nice, hope to see you around, to celebrate 1000 pages of this forum together.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 05:14 PM
"I'm saying OK fellows, LifeWay is a scam, and I still do not need your Information, because I want to buy that scam,..."

However, Peter, there actually might still be some open-minded people who really do want to see both sides of the story.

"because I did not ask you for an opinion"

I'm pretty sure no one here went looking for you.

"My consumer right of choosing for my self and not being even questioned"...

Your right as a consumer isn't an issue. Other consumers have the right to question the product, and coming here doesn't prohibit them from also visiting forums with other opinions. All the "questioning" is aimed toward the sellers, not the buyers.

..."not to mention called names i VIOLATED."

...never mind...
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 09:46 PM
sitting on your hands is not such a bad idea
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 09:51 PM
never mind is the key word here.
all you have to do is patiently wait for someone else to come here for you to try to brainwash.
check first if is their choice to get brainwashed by
your brain.
I thought EDH is taking a cake here, but you giving him run for His money.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 09:57 PM
Jehowah's Witnesses knock @ your door, you tell
them, sorry guys not interested, your church is
either knocking, or taking hostages.
You guys are like Holy inquisition.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 10:05 PM
Old chinese saying
" consumer right becomes an issue, as soon as you start making a comment,
and you are not the consumer "

damn those chinese are smart.unlike some other people.

But all I want to be is your Monty Python, Serbian chapter.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 | 11:20 PM
Peter, the point I am trying to make is that none of the anti-LifeWavers are going out and force feeding the info to anyone. (As far as I know...) And to the best of my knowledge, there is no method for hijacking people who are considering buying the patches, and demanding they visit this forum, and read everything.

Everyone who becomes involved in this debate, whether they simply read through it, or they take part in it, came here by choosing to click a link, or type in a URL. And anyone who sticks around past the first few dozen pages is displaying an intrest in reading what comes next. Anyone who chooses to post pro-LifeWave messages, after reading what the prevailing opinion is, has all the information they need to know that unless they can bring something new and different to the discussion, anything they say is going to be dismissed.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 12:06 AM
knocking @ the door point, was every time you try
to force your belief about Lifewave upon person who by their free will do not want it.
You say what you have to say, than I say, I feel you, and then, you're not leaving like
" witnesses ",
instead you feeding on peoples innability to explain to you, how they buying product cause they love it, not because the researches.
Research issue is strictly between FTC and LifeWave,
It's just that you people using that argument on wrong crowd. Crowd that don't need them.

And it is perfectly OK if you explaining lack of research to non-LifeWavers

How many times I told you, do your thing educate masses via this forum, wwsn, privately if you wish.
But do not call LifeWave users retards, only because for some quirky reason they love it, and
are ready to open THEIR wallets.
Thet is the only situation that causes separation and dissapearence of LifeWavers coming here.
I am the only one left, because I care for people.
And not telling you, you're crazy for your opinion, but you are indeed insane if you don't see that insanity in undying will to change peoples minds,minds that has already been made.
The closest comparason is Organized religion.
As soon as you realise that your world will become
better place, and you might say," dude, you are not threath to me and I love you, for what you are ",or " dude, let me show you my love, and explain to you what kind of scam and garbage LifeWave is "
Oraganized religion sells " eternal life " for
10% of your income, something you can't try to see if you like it, un like LifeWave with their new
" X patch ".
I know, you gonna say, nah, just another scam.
That is why my duty is to stay here until either
me,you, or this topic die.
As long as you see me here, something's wrong.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 01:00 AM
Yupiter, you aren't making any sense. No one is forcing you to be here. No one is forcing you to read these postings. No one is forcing you (or CAN force you) to stop wasting your money on LifeWave patches.

It should have become obvious to you many pages ago that several of us are skeptics about LifeWave's claims for their little plastic patches. We've given you the reasons for that skepticism. It's obvious that you don't share that opinion.

I guess my question is what do you expect from us? Do you think that we're going to change our opinion of LifeWave? Not going to happen. Do you think that we're going to stop criticising what we know to be false claims from LifeWave? Also not going to happen. So what, exactly, is it you're asking of us?

If you're unhappy here, you're certainly free to leave. No one will--or can--stop you. As for us, we're going to continue to speak out about the false claims made for silly little plastic patches so long as there are people who continue to believe that they can do the impossible.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 01:56 AM
"knocking @ the door point, was every time you try
to force your belief about Lifewave upon person who by their free will do not want it.
You say what you have to say, than I say, I feel you, and then, you're not leaving like
" witnesses ","

Because you're the one who knocked on my door. I said what I had to say, I listened to you be rude to me, and no, I'm not leaving. I live here.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 06:09 AM
One last time.

As a certain person is demonstrating, you cannot argue against a delusion.

Dave
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 09:21 AM
CMG, hcmomof4, EDH,
Fellows, Is there a chance for me to hear from you,something I don't know ?
EDH, I know, or should I say, I assume, that your Mental patient care skillz are profound, so If is not personal, can you tell me, why do you feel need to tell delusional person such as little ol' me ten times, about me being delusional ?, how in
the world can I understand that,
if I'm delusional ?
But hey, I admit, I am delusional, what can I tell
you, If you want to add that in every one of your posts go ahead, make my day.
So, check this out, I mean, I want to help you guys, because, in my book,you are such an adorable
bunch.
You can simply take my statement, and IF, one day some LifeWaver comes around, take me from the shelf, and all you have to say to the...
wait the minute, every LifeWaver is by definition
delusional, It's not going to make much of an argument to point finger at me to explain
to already delusional person, something unexplainable ?
dunno EDH, dude, you got rocky road ahead of you,
but as I've said, if I can be of any assistance,
You can count on me, or maybe not ?
All I know is that is not fair to take on delusional dude for being rude.
Cause how can I know I'm rude dude, if I'm delusional. It's just don't make any sense.
Oops, listen to me, talking about sense. Duh.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 09:35 AM
CMG, my man, I can not expect from you guys to do
anything, never did.
I can only HOPE for all of you to last together with this forum indefinitely, because you're making me laugh so hard, I mean you guys make SNL sound like
Funeral ceremony.
Can I be grateful enough ? How do I know, I'm delusional, remeber ?
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 09:59 AM
hcmomof4,
please don't tell me I'm rude, that hurts.
If I use some slightly stronger words, I mean
c'mon It's 2006 don't you talk with your buddies
like that sometimes. Look around you,I mean love changes,thug changes,and best friends become strangers. we're boys man !
And also, didn't I point out exactly where's the point, that I called " Knocking at the door "
please do cut'n'paste where did I say, how I want
you guys to change your stance and grasp LifeWave
technology as legit one.
All this time I'm merely trying to point out
what I feel about it, and NEVER wanted YOU to be
feel like me.
And look at me, I admitted, LifeWave is a scam,
cause so far, nobody managed to prove different.
In the other hand, there is reason behind me wanting to buy more LifeWave, as EDH remarkably
well formulated, He's an Expert after all, and there is nobody around to discredit Him.
I mean, the whole world can find out who Is
President of LifeWave Mr.MC, or Delusional DJ
YuPiter from JewPiter, but who can Google
EDH UK ?
If you take the fact, that only the Strong survive, and only the Wise excel, with EDH UK's
IQ, He should be an CEO who don't have time to
waste, explaining to delusional person, what delusion is.
Am I right or wrong ? wait a sec, what's "wrong" ?
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 03:25 PM
Aww, cut it out, guys. Quit poking a stick into Yupi's cage.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 03:42 PM
Joel, this is first time I can really feel you're trying to be funny.
I'm not laughing though, you're ten times funnier
when you're serious. But then what are you gonna be serious about ?
Cause you can't flex your brainwashing skillz on
delusional guy, right ?
Yupi's cage ? That's the best you can come up with ?

When was the last time someone normal was here, besides LifeWave haters ?
anybody ?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 04:01 PM
What about me?
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 04:16 PM
You're kinda delusioning yourself, because you've
said, You don't care if people buying LifeWave.
I mean, If you guys didn't care people buying
Patches, this forum wouldn't exist.
Why would you have reason to educate me and everybody else here,about dangers of placebo patches if you don't care ?
Don't have nothing better to do ?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 05:39 PM
Round and round he goes, what he's thinking...no one knows!

Meanwhile, the subject of this hoax forum thread, David Schmidt and his amazing dancing patches.

It appears that, to date, there has been NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE, of any kind, to substantiate wild claims made for this product.

The posts on this thread have given the thinking public more than enough, I believe, information to draw their own conclusions.

The "interesting" diversionary tactics of some people are all too transparent. They serve no other purpose than to consolidate the view that this company is selling a bogus product through a MLM system that is heavily weighted in the company's favor.

Scams inevitably come to a close through company collapse or prosecution. At this stage, it would be anybody's guess where LifeWave LLC will fall.

Dave
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 06:28 PM
"You're kinda delusioning yourself, because you've
said, You don't care if people buying LifeWave.
I mean, If you guys didn't care people buying
Patches, this forum wouldn't exist.
Why would you have reason to educate me and everybody else here,about dangers of placebo patches if you don't care ?
Don't have nothing better to do ?"

Hey I was just asking...cus I felt left out, and I don't got nothin' better to do.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 | 11:55 PM
" Round and round he goes, what he's thinking...no one knows! "
EDH, this is how you got fired from mental hospital, and the same time, the way you going back there.
Cracking jokes about delusional folks, how brave.
Mirror image of British Empire, taking advantage of weaker, " only the wise XL " style.
I can dig the Empire, it was the only way for them to rule the world, but dude, they made it to the Top
and you got fired.
" no credible evidence " ?
LifeWave is a LEGAL SCAM, THE ONLY party that need to be QUESTIONED is FTC. By being busy trying to explain unexplainable, there is no room for you
to feel this.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 | 12:02 AM
Al,
as I've told to hcmomof4, don't say that, that hurts
me bad. Say anything you can, and I'll take you on the " Field trip ", and you will have no reason to
feel left out.
Can U dig it ?
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