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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 | 01:33 PM
"Guess someone didn't wear their LifeWave sleep patch!"

Silly, I was up at 3:50/4am not because I couldn't sleep, but because I set my alarm. That's how early they make you wake up when you're on live on one of those local morning shows that nobody watches anyway.

I may be able to get suckered into waking up at a god-awful hour, but I don't think I could get suckered into wearing a lifewave patch!

And on another note, no more posts for me until after 8am. My spelling and grammar are atrocious in the middle of the night!
Robert W. Mitchell
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 12:25 AM
I know this is an old post, but I don't care. It needs to be said.

3. LifeWave patches work. I'm not going to debate how or why. I'm just letting you know. They do. If you don't believe me, try one out. I hate when people argue against things they don't understand without at least testing what it is they're arguing about. (This isn't philosophy. It's science.)

2. The SCIENCE behind LifeWave patches is actual SCIENCE, not PROPAGANDA put out by "modern/conventional medicine or science". Drugs don't heal people. Laws you don't understand are NOT laws that don't exist (aka, nature's laws exist whether you believe in them or not). If there is a current, there is an electric/magnetic field. Most scientists (other than engineers) don't believe that. They claim the body doesn't have a magnetic field. It does. And it is, in part, how the LifeWave patches work, through a quantum field.

Consider the following facts:

The vastness of human memory as waves can hold more than 280 quintillion (280,000,000,000,000,000,000) bits of information.20 The awesome speed of transferring information between one ten-thousandth and one-thousandth of a second, a speed that exceeds the known explanations of connections between axons or dendrites in neurons. The output, if printed, would take 100 years to read.

The unimaginable speed of cell renewal that takes place 7-10 million times per second in the body.

The coherent and instantaneous progression of molecular and submolecular processes resulting in 100,000 chemical reactions per second in every cell of the body.

All this could not be done without guidance. A quantum (bio-magnetic) field is what guides. Read "The Body Electric" by Robert O Becker or "The Quantum Naturopath: Evoking Quantum Healing" by Paul Yanick, Jr., Ph.D., N.D., C.N.C. if you don't believe this (and your mind's not closed).

1. NEVER refer to Quackwatch as a reliable source of health or medical information. (For the truth about Quackwatch, see http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ ) The only reason they're still around is pharmaceutical companies pay them. The majority of M.D.s don't know a damn thing about health. (There are exceptions.) If you want to see a doctor who's EDUCATED in HEALTH, see a N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor) or D.C. (Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine). I could list all the many different natural health professions, but that'd be pointlesss.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 01:04 AM
Yep, Robert, you're preaching to the choir here. All those double-blind studies conducted by independent researchers, the results of which have been published in a wide array of medical journals finally convinced everyone.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 01:41 AM
Robert W. Mitchell said:

"3. LifeWave patches work. I'm not going to debate how or why. I'm just letting you know. They do. If you don't believe me, try one out. I hate when people argue against things they don't understand without at least testing what it is they're arguing about. (This isn't philosophy. It's science.)"

So, they should stand up nicely to double-blind testing, right? Um, in that case, why hasn't LifeWave submitted them to that? I mean, they just work, right? What could go wrong?

"2. The SCIENCE behind LifeWave patches is actual SCIENCE, not PROPAGANDA put out by "modern/conventional medicine or science". Drugs don't heal people. Laws you don't understand are NOT laws that don't exist (aka, nature's laws exist whether you believe in them or not). If there is a current, there is an electric/magnetic field. Most scientists (other than engineers) don't believe that. They claim the body doesn't have a magnetic field. It does. And it is, in part, how the LifeWave patches work, through a quantum field."

Again, they should prove to work when tested scientifically, yes? Well, why don't you get right on setting that up? Like you said, it doesn't matter HOW they work, just that they DO. Whether or not they DO work is testable. Stop yapping about it and PROVE IT.
Rob
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 01:59 AM
Tell me. If there were no double-blind studies conducted by independent researchers with results published in a wide array of medical journals that a person normally has two arms, would you argue otherwise? Hopefully NOT, because common sense dictates that a person does. (I remember learning a few years ago that the government spent over a billion dollars over a decade or so to show that walking is beneficial. Well, I'm sure we all needed a study to tell us that. Good job Uncle Sam.) Common sense (common sense meaning rational logic) dictates that processes which happen faster than can be chemically iniated obviously are controlled by a non-chemical force. Besides, anyone who believes that only claims backed up by double or triple blind studies conducted by independent researchers whose results have been published in a wide array of medical journals are TRUE claims is very nieve. I have countless professors at my school (University) who believe protein isn't important, glucose is god, and aerobics is next in line to God. They make these claims based on "prevalent, proven medical research". Well, it's a bunch of bull. And I don't care how much research "proves" otherwise. Protein is VERY important, particularly for athletes. (They argue the opposite. Athelets need more carbs. Sedentary people need more protein, or no protein at all.) Again, they base their claims on "research", "studies", and "scientific fact". Guess what? I base things on REAL-WORLD RESULTS. I know from personal experience, and from many friends, and my own chiropractor (who was an Olympic athelete/Pro-lifter, now Olympic certified doctor, chiropractor, and rehabilitation specialist) that protein is CRITICAL to health. I hope you're getting my point. IDEAS WHICH GO AGAINST THE PARADIGM DON'T GET FUNDED, AND DON'T GET PUBLISHED. IDEAS WHICH GO ALONG WITH THE PARADIGM GET FUNDED AND GET PUBLISHED. JOURNALS WILL REFUSE ANY STUDIES WHICH THEY DON'T AGREE WITH. If I found another cure for cancer (because there are many already available, just mostly in other countries) and it only cost pennies to be made available, I can gurantee you it wouldn't be published in any major journal. It would mean banktrupcy for many pharmaceutical companies. Citing lack of evidence for a product based on how many studies its published is foolish if it consistently produces results. Most medical journals are all but useless now. They only push genetic engineering, cloning, drugs, radiation, and surgery. Whole-food nutrition, sunlight, and exercise are the keys to health. Yet what do we hear daily? Published studies showing sunlight to cause cancer, drugs are the answer, it's ok to sit on your butt all day but an hour because aerobics will save you. All crap. Yet all published.

And I'm not trying to convince people like you, because people like you have already made up their mind and closed it. I speak to the people who've still got a little sense.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 02:18 AM
...drugs are the answer, it's ok to sit on your butt all day but an hour because aerobics will save you.

Dang, I so wish this were true! I can't even find a doctor to tell me it's true...
Rob
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 02:36 AM
"Dang, I so wish this were true! I can't even find a doctor to tell me it's true..."

Any doctor that endorses drugs in all but extreme scenarios is basically telling you the drug is what will heal you. Drugs are for drastic measures, generally life-threatening. They're NOT marketed that way. Find a doctor who emphasizes nutrition and exercise over prescribing drugs and the chances are very high they WON'T be an MD and WILL be getting better results. MDs are best used for E/R situations.

Ask most ANY "health expert" about exercise and they will preach on and on about the benefits of aerobics. ANaerobic exercise is the TRUE beneficial exercise. Look at sprinters. Extremely healthy. Lean, low bodyfat, fast, etc. Marathoners, not so much. HIGH endurance yes. But VERY little muscle or body fat. And I can't COUNT the number of aerobics instructors I've seen with big butts. (Yes. I can count past 10. I can even count past 100.) The best exercises are sprinting, hill sprinting, swimming, rebounding, jump-roping, stair-running, weight-training, resistance-band training, calisthenics/yoga/body-weight training, deep-breathing, etc.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 02:51 AM
I must be extremely lucky. Last week I went to my Kaiser Permanente doctor, and after having to listen to a very short chewing out about needing to come in a little more often than every 12 years, what was prescribed for my wrist was... a brace, to see if reducing the stress would reduce the swelling. If that doesn't work, then yes, I am supposed to take "drugs". However, I wasn't told that naproxen sodium would heal me, but that it would reduce the swelling, which might allow my tendon to then heal. Evil, evil MD...
Rob
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 03:07 AM
Repeat these words after me:
"ALL drugs have side effects, even if you aren't aware of them at the time."
Now ponder this:
There are natural solutions to bodily problems. Fish or krill oil would also reduce the swelling.


Also, you're lucky that you have an MD who doesn't just push pills. Most do. But I already said, there are exceptions.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 03:54 AM
Many natural solutions have side effects too. Often, one of the side effects is lack of efficacy.
I did a (granted, very quick) check on krill oil to reduce tendon swelling, and found nothing. If you have something, don't bother passing it on. My forefathers died much younger without the benefits of modern medicine than I expect to even if I pop a pill or two. I agree that you shouldn't take drugs for everything that ails you, but (jumping directly back to topic, even though it's not a cohesive thought) I don't agree that big medicine/pharmaceutical companies are preventing LifeWave from having legitimate tests conducted.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 08:31 AM
Very interesting reading guys.

What has this to do with the scam products (same patch different box) that David Schmidt (self noted "Dr.") has peddled for a while now?

Cheers,
Dave
Joe
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 12:12 PM
Does trying the patches automatically make me understand how they work? Can people not argue against them if they don't try them? I'm pretty sure that if I try the patches, the science behind the patches will not become more clear. My insights on the patch will not be more advanced. Reading studies done on the science behind the patches will deepen my understanding though.

All I'm hearing is excuses from the Lifewave crowd. It is Lifewave's responsibility to prove they work, but, of course, money is the reason why the studies are not being done. I don't blame them, why waste money on conducting studies when people will buy this product based upon testimonials. Milk it for all it's worth then move onto the next product (gas pills, gas additives, etc.). Of course, Lifewave knowing that the patches don't work might be another reason why they don't conduct the studies.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 12:23 PM
Joe,

"...why waste money on conducting studies when people will buy this product based upon testimonials."

That's what's so amazing. People do just that and once they are distributors there is nothing left to do but knock anyone who argues the patches are worthless.

The bottom line is that Schmidt might be minus one family, but he is continuing the fraud from his new life in California.

If you have zero morals/ethics, it must be nice living.

Dave
Rob
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 01:52 PM
My point is simply that you should realize WHO does and funds research for the majority of the studies conducted.

And 2nd, you DON'T always need a study to know if a product works or not. I don't need a study to show me a hammer is better at driving a nail into a wooden board than my knee cap. Logic tells you that. And if not logic, then personal experience. So before arguing "the science isn't there" or "it's pseudoscience; that's all it is", try it. Also, if people are posting testimonials stating their getting an effect, why try and argue with them? Whose to say they aren't?

3rd, I'm NOT against studies. I'm very much for them (if conducted PROPERLY). However, I DON'T judge results by studies. I judge them by real-world experience.

That's all I'm posting. I don't have time to deal with all your naysaying and nitpicking.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 04:35 PM
Rob,

Thank you for attempting to make your point, especially as you have such a busy schedule.

I hope there will be some way that you can make up for the lost time spent posting on this hoax forum.

Your points have ALL been made before, but thank you anyway.

Dave
Joe
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 05:49 PM
How can you compare a hammer and nail situation with the science behind Lifewave? When I first saw the patches on the website, the science behind them didn't come to me.

Since Lifewave's claims are extraordinary, we should probably compare these patches to those of major complications (heart, nerve, etc.). Would you take heart medication if someone tells you that their heart feels great with no side effects? Or would you want doctors to do testing on the drug? Lifewave's claims are almost like illegal drugs, 30-40% increase in energy. How do we know that the Lifewave patch won't malfunction and do great damage?

I ramble and if it doesn't make sense, my main point is that something that has such a great claim should be tested because great claims can have great side effects.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 | 07:02 PM
"Very interesting reading guys.

What has this to do with the scam products (same patch different box) that David Schmidt (self noted "Dr.") has peddled for a while now?

Cheers,
Dave"

Didn't you notice the lovely tie-in (ok, more of a major change of subject jump) that was my last sentence?

"I don't need a study to show me a hammer is better at driving a nail into a wooden board than my knee cap. Logic tells you that. And if not logic, then personal experience."

Hmmmmm...how many times did Robert give his knee-cap a try before he decide a hammer was the way to go? Personally, I can look at a hammer, and see that it's the more practical choice. His analogy works against him.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 | 02:52 AM
Rob said:

"If I found another cure for cancer (because there are many already available, just mostly in other countries) and it only cost pennies to be made available, I can gurantee you it wouldn't be published in any major journal. It would mean banktrupcy for many pharmaceutical companies."

While I'm no fan of the pharmaceutical industry, I humbly submit that this is bullshit, Rob.

When I was a little kid in school, there was still a disease called Polio. Every child in school was given a sugar cube with a small drop of medicine on it. My understanding is that the medicine on the sugar cost only a few cents per dose. Today there is essentially no such disease as Polio. Do you see drug companies closing their doors left and right? I was also innoculated against other diseases, which have been all but eradicated. Again, do you see pharmaceutical companies declaring bankruptcy? They seem to be pretty good at coming up with new "syndromes" to cure.

"Tell me. If there were no double-blind studies conducted by independent researchers with results published in a wide array of medical journals that a person normally has two arms, would you argue otherwise?"

Um, see, Rob, the thing is that no one disputes that people have two arms. We DO, however, dispute the so-called benefits of LifeWave. There is considerable evidence that the claims made by some LifeWave users are attributable to the placebo effect. That, of course, could be tested scientifically. Some people, though, it seems, prefer to NOT test the claims made for the small plastic patches which seem to violate the laws of physics. Many, if not most, of those people derive some income from selling the small plastic patches in question, calling into question their motivations. Get it now?

Oh, in case you don't know this, we skeptics DO NOT have to prove that LifeWave doesn't work as advertised. LifeWave has to prove that the patches DO work as advertised. LifeWave has yet to do so, therefore we are free to continue to question the patches' efficacy.

Until LifeWave DOES prove that the patches work, we are completely justified in believing that the laws of physics are correct and that the patches are nonsense, your doubletalk about hammers, etc. notwithstanding.
Want some research?
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 | 12:19 PM
A double blind placebo controlled study was performed to independently examine the effectiveness of the LifeWave Skin Care/Glutathione patch in being able to elevate blood levels of Glutathione over a period of 24 hours and several days. Baseline data was collected for all subjects; the average Blood Glutathione levels for all individuals was an average of 2020 umole/L as displayed by the graph on the left ("Normal" value). After 24 hours of using the LifeWave Skin Care/Glutathione patch, the average blood Glutathione levels of all individuals was 7326 umole/L. This means that within 24 hours of using the LifeWave Skin Care/Glutathione patch the average increase in Glutathione is over 3 TIMES HIGHER than normal. The graph on the right shows how over a period of 24 hours blood Glutathione levels increase dramatically for LifeWave patch users versus not using the LifeWave Skin Care patch.

Blood Glutathione levels have been identified as being one of the most important indicators of our overall health. As the master antioxidant in the body Glutathione has a range of diverse metabolic functions including acting as a free radical scavenger,
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 | 02:05 PM
"Want some research?,"where did you get your information from? Who conducted the study and where was it published?
Want some research?
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 | 02:10 PM
Still in peer review so more details (including who did the research) cannot be made public.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 | 02:17 PM
There's a shocker.
Want some research?
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 | 03:15 PM
Want a shocker?? Try the skin patch for yourself and you will be in shock at how bad you feel when you start to detox!!
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 | 03:40 PM
I've made this offer before. Send me a sample, and if it works, I'll pay for them.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 | 04:24 PM
Want some research?

YES is the answer to your simple question.

Plenty has been promised NONE has been given, period.

Your attempt at appearing clever by producing a cut and paste exercise is certainly not a shocker to the regulars here.

You were too busy to read the posts before you which gave the SAME information. So, all in all, nothing new.

"Try the skin patch for yourself and you will be in shock at how bad you feel when you start to detox!!"

Given that David Schmidt LIED from the very start about the patches, it is more than possible that he is currently producing transdermal skin patches that contain all kinds of goodies. How would you know? Because he says otherwise?

You are a distributor and as such have ZERO credibility.

Please, pretty please, buy these patches so that I can make some serious money.

Keep on dreaming.

EDH UK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 | 05:51 PM
Razela:

"Want some research?," where did you get your information from? Who conducted the study and where was it published?"

No real surprise here Razela.

The "research" details come straight from the LifeWave website.

http://www.lifewave.com/skincare.asp

Selling LifeWave patches is apparently easier than taking candy from a baby!

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 | 05:55 AM
From Jim S. May 27th 2006

"Studies are being completed and may or may not be avialable for the genral public. Of course once they get published they are available for the general public.

LW has to be careful to not make any claims about the product or the FDA or FTC can potentially step in and harm the company.

So this is why the studies you want to see are being carefully analyzed before LW will release them."

Taking care of things is David Schmidt's trademark isn't it?

Dave
Thermomagnetic_man
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 | 08:42 PM
Want Some Research? wrote that the studies he's referring to are "Still in peer review so more details (including who did the research) cannot be made public."

Sure, you can make the details, including who did the research and what journal it's been submitted to for peer review, public. Just put your fingers to the keyboard and type it. Or have you no gonads? If you tell us, then we can track to see whether this mystery study ever makes it through the peer review process. That might be more informative than all of the lies of David Schmidt put together. Maybe Lifewave will help Want Some Research? by coming out with a gonad patch.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 | 12:21 PM
"The LifeWave Skin Care/Glutathione patch is a new way to dramatically increase Glutahtione levels in the body on a daily basis."

Given that you use cream on your skin AT THE SAME TIME how do you know what is responsible for the reported increase?

Ever heard of confounding variables?

Wear a patch AND do weightlifting!

We still haven't heard any comments about the FACT that glutathione is sold in other parts of the world as a skin WHITENING agent.

Anybody?

http://board.classifieds1000.com/Philippines/For_Sale/Skin_Whitening_SUPER_WHITENING_PILLS_L_glutathione_500mg_bleaching_capsule

http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/311523.html

You can even buy SOAP!
http://cgi.ebay.com/L-GLUTATHIONE-SKIN-WHITENING-SOAP_W0QQitemZ170024589017QQihZ007QQcategoryZ40088QQcmdZViewItem

Enjoy,
Dave
EDH UK
Want Some Research?
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 | 10:01 PM
Patience is a goof virtue. The studies are here!!!

http://www.lifewave.com/research.asp

I'm sure all you that have never tried the patches will have so much to say now. The research is now out. LW has proved the patches do a number of things. So why not try them now??

Let me guess you will go through each study and find something wrong with it.

Welcome to science!! Welcome to Lifewave!!
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 | 01:06 AM
Having only scanned "Effect of Novel Nanoscale Energy Patches on Spectral and Nonlinear Dynamic Features of Heart Rate Variability Signals in Healthy Individuals during Rest and Exercise"
so far, one thing that strikes me as amusing (damn near funny even) was that in the Introduction to this extremely technical paper full of scientific terms; "biomolecular stereoisomer", "organic nanoscale biomolecular antennas", "matrix antenna", "bioelectromagnetic field", the term they felt they needed to define was "nontransdermal"...

What I am most curious about though is that out of the incredible huge number of test subjects (10), it appears that results are only given for one male and one female.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 | 01:28 AM
The second study (60 subjects) is real useful:
2.30% of subjects reported an increased since[sic] of well-being while wearing the patches.
5. Patches stayed in place all day for each of the participants with the exception of use in ocean water. Patches stayed on all day through showers, sweating and daily activities.
6. No allergic reaction on or around the area of placements were seen or reported during this study.
8. 100% of these subjects tolerated the patch test well.

Also, "Each subject was to consume
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 | 08:30 AM
Want some research

You really are incredibly naieve!

This pitiful list of "so called" studies, has mostly been seen before and includes the "famous" FAKE University studies. Troy and Morehouse had to issue CEASE AND DESIST orders to stop LifeWave from using their names.

Don't you get it? A distributor who WORKS in a University of College carries out FAKE "studies" to SELL PATCHES!

The horse study by DeRock has been covered previously. It is so awful and hilarious that the Journal she had it printed in has instigated a REVIEW COMMITTEE as a direct result of DeRock's insult to scientific studies.

Homer's study is very old and worthless. Previously rubbished in this thread.

The MVA study is THE STUDY that PROVED that the patches contain ONLY GLUCOSE (brown) and GLYCERIN (white). I guess you didn't read that either.

A study by HALTIWANGER from the LIFEWAVE company. That's bound to be good value DUH!

You are being shafted and you don't even know it.

Good luck in your future misguided efforts, but in the meantime, in the REAL WORLD, I will continue, as no doubt a good many people here will, to expose this SCAM in every way I can.

The very fact that LIFEWAVE has dug out very old information to post on their website tells you they are DESPERATE to kick some life into this FAILING SCAM.

Don't forget. By promoting this scam YOU ARE EQUALLY LIABLE IN LAW WHEN THE COMPANY GOES UNDER. Look it up buddy.

DUH!

EDH UK
Want some research?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 | 09:22 AM
EDHUK,

You are very quick to make personal attacks. Maybe you have some issues that one of David's future patches can help you with.

Its funny how you choose to quickly bash the studies that come out. You commented on some of the older research but failed to look at all the other studies and abstracts that have been posted by independent researchers. When will you ever be happy? Don't you realize that for every study published there is a study done to prove otherwise? Welcome to science DUH!!

Lifewave has been accepted into the National Institute of Health. Doctors and scientists from this organization will now be able to do independent studies on the patches if they wish.

Wake up and smell the coffee EDHUK!!

The MVA study shows that no chemicals or drugs are in the patches. This is important for people like you who seem to throw out the possibility that something is entering your body.

You cannot disregard the many effects that these patches are having on thousands of people. And now a few of the many studies that are underway have been released to verify this.

Spend some time educating yourself by reading some of Dr. Haltiwangers papers. I'd be happy to place you on a call with him if you are so concerned that this is a scam.

This is new technology, difficult for many to comprehend, but here to stay.
Joe
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 | 11:21 AM
Independent researchers?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 | 01:41 PM
Want Some Research said:

"Patience is a goof virtue. The studies are here!!!"

A goof indeed!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 | 04:36 PM
Want some research?

"You are very quick to make personal attacks."

Yep, and I make absolutely NO APOLOGY.

In promoting the LifeWave scam patches, you are a scam artist and I will make personal attacks on your kind till the cows come home.

You suggest I be more thorough in reading the "studies" yet you have no idea yourself what these "studies" are about.

You mention that the MVA study was conducted to demonstrate there were no harmful drugs in the patches.

WRONG!!! The study (read the title) was to find out if the patches were indeed non-transdermal as David Schmidt claimed. The company concluded that the patches given to them (with no markings on them to identify where they came from) were indeed non-transdermal.

The same MVA company acknowledged that the patches contained ONLY glucose (brown patch) and glycerin (white patch). No extra bits and pieces that "talk to your body" like a cell phone.

The more you push these "studies" the more you align yourself with a SCAM company that relies on gullible people just like you to GIVE THEM MONEY.

If that is a personal attack, then consider yourself under attack. Time to get a hat with tin foil liner.

Dave
EDH UK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 | 06:23 PM
Want some research?

Please enlighten us.

Where at TROY University is the strength dept? Tel # and email address please, and name of contact person.

Thank you,

Dave
Want some research?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 | 08:23 PM
Blah blah blah EDHUK!! Just as I said before. You ignore the new research and stick to the ones that have been gone over by your type on this forum. Why don't you call Dr. H? Or some of the other new researchers? Or the NIH? You chicken shit know it all!! Better yet try the patches. Money back gaurantee.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 | 09:11 PM
Want some research?

"Why don't you call Dr. H?"

Why would anyone talk with a LifeWave employee about studies they have conducted.

Ever heard of conflict of interest dipstick?

"Blah blah blah EDHUK!!"

It's not about me, it's about you pushing a company that is scamming the public of hard earned cash and your desire to be one of the scammers.

That concept isn't too hard for you to comprehend is it?

My question still stands and I await your answer.

" Where at TROY University is the strength dept? Tel # and email address please, and name of contact person."

Take your time, no rush. By Christmas would be nice.

EDH UK
Want some Research?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 | 11:36 PM
Merry Christmas EDHUK

http://www.troytrojans.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=1561
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 | 02:45 AM
Want some Research?
Can't you see that you're getting into dialogue with
person consumed by hatered towards anything connected with LifeWave, beyond reason.
It is organized religion called " Haters ", they don't care about the truth." Lifewave is a scam ", either join them, or be damned.
Let them live in their cocoon world, fed by Hate. You're wasting your time here.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 | 09:03 AM
Peter,

You're still alive and looking at this thread.

I hope your DJ mixing is still going well.

"It is organized religion called " Haters ""

Funny thing is that we all thought LifeWave was akin to an organized religion.

But, you are absolutely correct. I HATE scam artists.

Be well.

Dave
Want some Research?
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 | 11:15 AM
Yupiter,

Thanks for your insights. I agree with your statements about EDHUK. Seems like he has an unusual vested interest in slamming lifewave.

EDHUK - I really don't know you are so bothered by Lifewave and the fact that I am promoting it? I let open minded people try the patches for themselves and they love the results. Thy continue to use the product to improve aspects of their lives. They are completely, 100% happy with the product. If not they know I will give them their money back and guess what.....they will likley not sign up as a distributor. Maybe you should look up the definition of a scam. When someone is paying for something that is delivering for them, then how is this product a scam??

If anything you are operating a religion of hate towards lifewave and people who are willing to try this new technology.

WARNING - EDHUK is operating a scam religion. He is more than likely a paid lifewave basher working for Bob Burtis or a pharmaceutical company. I can only speculate on one of these as it seems very strange that someone would post over 500 messages on this forum and then say all he is concerned about people's hard earned money. How about letting people decide on their own whether or not they want to try the product, like the product, use the product, and join the nanotechnology future.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 | 12:35 PM
Want some research?

Got yourself a lttle buddy in Peter. Good for you!

Again you haven't read this thread have you?

You are absolutely right.

I'm paid huge sums of money to trash your wonderful legitimate business opportunity by Nike, Gatorade, Bob Burtis, ALL of the Vitamin and supplement companies, ALL of the sportswear companies, any inventor with a product who feels threatened by David Schmidt, every person with the last name of Schmidt who now feels degraded by having the name Schmidt, every person with the name David who now feels degraded by having the name David, every person/company/ideas persons in the world who in any way remotely might be affected financially by David Schmidt and his scam patches.

I am making so much money I can afford to sit on the beach on my private island in the sun, sipping cold drinks and checking my wireless laptop. The water's lovely here. Ain't life great!

I didn't realize it was SO obvious.

Oh well, must check my mailbox for all those fat checks.

EDH UK
Joe
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 | 01:22 PM
I don't understand why Dave posting on this forum many times would make him have a vested interest (financially). I check this forum daily, similar to my email inbox. If you check your email daily and email people back and forth, then how is reading a forum and posting on it any different.

So frequency should not be something you should be concerned about. What he is saying is what you should be concerned about. There are times here and there when the debate gets sidetracked, but it comes back to the same questions being posted on this forum over and over. Questions that all legimate companies answer with no problem. Read the entire forum to find out. It may be a long read, but very informing.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 | 02:15 PM
Want some research? said:

"WARNING - EDHUK is operating a scam religion. He is more than likely a paid lifewave basher working for Bob Burtis or a pharmaceutical company. I can only speculate on one of these as it seems very strange that someone would post over 500 messages on this forum and then say all he is concerned about people's hard earned money. How about letting people decide on their own whether or not they want to try the product, like the product, use the product, and join the nanotechnology future."

This appears to be a classic Karl Rove-type trick: accuse your opponent(s) of exactly what you're engaged in. It's called "projection." Why does someone's opposition to LifeWave's scam automatically mean that they're PAID to destroy LifeWave?

Just as with the claims made for your silly little plastic patches, you provide ZERO evidence for the notion that EDHUK is paid by anyone to oppose LifeWave. You 'Wavers really are not part of the "reality-based community," are you?

Time and time again, your "argument" in favor of the bizarre notion that non-transdermal patches containing glycerin and molasses can somehow impart energy to the human body is "try them before you say they don't work." Well, if you've read this thread, you'd see that I was sent two pair of patches and my wife DID try them. Reults? None whatsoever. No new energy, no feeling stronger, better, no whatever else you're claiming they do this week.

Since all you guys ever seem to say is "try them" and since my wife DID try them as instructed and felt absolutely nothing, I guess I'm as qualified as anyone to say (on behalf of my wife) that LifeWave is nonsense. She met your conditions and your product failed. So what's your excuse du jour?

Seriously, guys, aren't the revelations about the studies that were NOT endorsed by the claimed universities, the studies that never seem to materialize, the fact that the things are assembled in some guy's bedroom, or garage, or whatever, aren't all those enough to scream "SCAM" to you? Jesus, what would it take for you guys to concede that these things are nothing more than a rip-off?

The government finally got around to shutting down Q-Ray the other day. Is that what it's going to take before you jump off the LifeWave bandwagon? Will even THAT do it?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 | 03:02 PM
"I really don't know you are so bothered by Lifewave and the fact that I am promoting it?"

Want some research?,
Say you have a friend whose child who has an easily treatable kind of cancer, and they are spending quite a bit of money on special pillows full of feathers that had been ion-magnetically charged, and are guaranteed to cure many diseases, even though the "inventor" doesn't really know why they work, just that they do. The child goes into remission, but the doctors warn that this happens often, and it is likely to be only temporary. Most kids who have this type of cancer go into remission for a while, even with no treatment. However, without being treated, it is likely the child will die. No one has ever heard of ion-magnetically charged feathers before, and science and common sense tell you that something that will help heart burn, make broken legs mend faster, and renew hair growth in balding men isn't likely to cure cancer.

Wouldn't you feel strongly, even though the parents believe that their large financal investment in feathers is what has "healed" their child, that the feather merchants should be shut down?

I realize that using a medical example here is a poor choice, since you aren't fond of reliance on Western medicine, and pharmaceutical companies, but think this through, my point being, you may think that EDHUK is wrong, but to think that he really knows that LifeWave patches work, but he just wants to make people stop using them isn't fair. (Great sentence, huh!?)
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 | 03:05 PM
EDHUK confessed:
"You are absolutely right.

I'm paid huge sums of money to trash your wonderful legitimate business opportunity..."

Did you have a chance to make as much money as David Schmidt before you were found out?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 | 06:16 PM
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
Member

"Did you have a chance to make as much money as David Schmidt before you were found out?"

Millions of dollars! This island didn't come cheap!

Let's not forget that Bob Burtis (who alone has paid me millions) has written extensively about the LifeWave scam.

This is just about the TROY UNIVERSITY "study" that once again appears on the LifeWave site even though LifeWave is breaking the law by using the name of Troy again.

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwtroyresp.htm

No doubt Bob will drop a line to his contact and put them in the picture.

Well, the island night life is hotting up; my own night club, of course, thanks to the millions I receive every week to expose the LifeWave SCAM patches!

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
Thermomagnetic_Man
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 | 09:09 AM
I had previously dissected the
Want some Research?
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 | 02:52 PM
Thermos man,

It has become quite apparent that you must have bipolar disorder. Your links above to your detective skills illustrate that Joel posted responses to some of the studies. Are you Joel, EDHUK, or Thermos man?

Keep talking about the studies that have been beat by a dead horse. New ones are out and new ones are underway that are independent, that have a large number of subjects, are double blind placebo, and are showing the effects of wearing the lifewave technology.

I really don't give a rats ass about the Troy study. Go tell on LW if you want.

I am beginning to think that I am talking to the same person here. Someone who is willing to bash something that they haven't tried.

Dave - if you aren't making money off your bashing then you must be a serious loser for spending this much time on this forum. If you have this much time on your hands you would make a good network marketer. Let me know when you want to try the patches and sign up for LW. You seem to have the persistence that is needed in this industry. Put some of this persistence to use and you probably could be on the beach very soon.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 | 05:30 PM
Want some research?

You really are a few bricks short of a load aren't you.

First you proudly give us "studies" but now you state "I really don't give a rats ass about the Troy study."

You tell us that LifeWave has been accepted into the Institutes of health, yet the very same organization states:

"Thank you for writing to the NIH. To the best of my knowledge, NIH has no affiliation with LifeWave.

Please let us know if we can assist further."

NIH Information Staff -- code J
National Institutes of Health
Office of Communications and Public Liaison
9000 Rockville Pike
Bethesda, Maryland 20892

I presume this means you won't give a rats ass about the NIH now?

Your ramblings about "try the patch" "sell the patch" have been repeated many many times by people who have claimed to actually posses half a brain.

In your attempt to promote what you know to be a scam you come across as desperate as David Schmidt.

Schmidt, now using a THIRD website, doesn't care about breaking the cease and desist orders from Troy University and Morehouse College. He is just hoping to gather a few last suckers (you included) who will send him cash for pieces of plastic.

There is NO SCIENCE, nothing that people "can't possibly understand because it's so new".

There is FRAUD, DECEIPT, DECEPTION, LIES, SCAM, PSEUDOSCIENCE and BS, nothing more.

As for the beach...it's lovely to feel the warm sand between my toes. The sand on my private island that I have purchased with the millions I have been sent as a result of this scam. Just like you said...I'm four, five, six, seven and more different people.

In fact, I'm actually a computer program and as such can only respond to your input. I will be here long after you are dead.

Please enter your input now.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 | 01:04 AM
EDHUK said:

"There is FRAUD, DECEIPT, DECEPTION, LIES, SCAM, PSEUDOSCIENCE and BS, nothing more."

Yeah, but what do you REALLY think?
Thermomagnetic_Man
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 | 09:00 AM
Want Some Research, you're right that I'm Joel as well. The first time I used a different computer to post, this website rejected my attempt to use the name "Joel," said it was already being used by somebody else. Hence, the second handle. Two different handles for posting from two different computers. Nothing nefarious here. How many other names have you used to post?

You suggest that people "try" the patches? I have suggested that to several LifeWave hawkers myself. Lifewave used to state on its website that the patches only need to be near the body, so the patches will have the same effect if they're merely put into a pocket on a shirt or something like that (much like those miraculous LifeWave medallions that Dr. David Schmidt presented testimonials for in his provisional patent application).

So my suggestion to you is: Sew pockets into your workout shirt, and run your own double blind study - see if you can consistently tell the difference between new and used patches based only on the effect that they have on you. If not, then at least you'll know that you and your customers never need to buy new patches again. Wouldn't that be a big benefit for your customers? Go ahead: "Try the patches" and let us know your results. No other LifeWave distributor has been willing to "try the patches." Are you?
Want some Research?
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 | 10:58 AM
Joel (aka Thermo man, EDHUK, Bob, Captain Al)

I have already completed this task and am in the process of gatheirng more subjects. An experiment done by myself and personal trainer. (sorry I guess its not independent but I am not looking to publish this) A double blind placebo study on energy patches.

We used "expired" patches that were worn 24 hours, boiled & frozen to make sure the molecular structure was altered significantly.

We had three groups of volunteers from a local gym. A control group (wearing no patches), an experiment group (wearing LW patches), and a placebo group wearing the "expired patches.

The subjects warmed up and then completed a bench press and bicep curl exercise. Immedietely following this one of the gym staff placee wrist bands on the subjects that contained the patches. The testers and subjects were unaware of the type of patch they received. They then rested 10 minutes and completed exactly the same protocol as before (including the warmup).

Results thus far on 30 subjects (10 in each of the groups.

Bench Press - % increase in reps from trial 1 to trial 2 (same weight used)
LW Group +3.5%
Placebo Group -9.1%
Control Group -7.3%

Dumbell curls
LW Group +16.8%
Placebo Group +1.8%
Control Group +2.2%

I'll let you know when we get 30 subjects from each group and will let you know if there is a significant statistical difference.
ThermoMagnetic_Man
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 | 02:47 PM
So if you're not going to publish your results, but you want people to believe what you just posted, then identify yourself with your name and address. Put yourself on the line. Otherwise you're just an anonymous person, for all we know making up facts like David Schmidt made up his doctorate degree.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 | 06:05 PM
How do inert ingredients become used up?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 | 07:21 PM
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
Member

If the past 153 pages of this thread have demonstrated one thing over everything else, it is that in the LifeWave world LOGIC does not exist.

If they say they do...they do!

Cheers,
Dave
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 | 07:51 PM
Oops, sorry, musta been a "duh" moment...
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