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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 | 01:36 AM
hcmomof4,
finaly we found ourselves on the playground called " Reality ", if there is person outhere who can bring EDHUK to that place, that person would deserve Nobel Prize nomination.

" I know that there have not been any published studies proving that LifeWave patches work. "

Me too, but that did not stop my curiosity to try them.

" I believe this indicates they probably don't. "

I feel your belief, and it is based on logical
reasoning. And I am not going to ask you to believe, that I've try them over and over, and
I know they do work as described.
Now, how do they work, as Placebo effect or as described, is something I do not feel need to
indulge with.

The only reason of me being on this silly forum is
to protect that right that I share with every living soul.
And I do not find appropriate being called this or
that for exercising that basic human right.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 | 02:13 AM
hcmomof4
" And I never claimed to be all knowing. I claimed to know all about being careful about dropping acid. I tried it once. It was very effective. I didn't like it. I've never had a flashback, but that could be because I didn't take enough to have any lasting effects. Thank God. If I hated it the first time around, left-overs would probably be worse. "

That's what I've said, you feel you're " All knowing
about being careful " and you have dropped it only once ?
( It is same with LifeWave, it is personal, not
" All knowing ". It is very easy to see why would people be sceptic about technology, or David's CV,
that are without doubt questionable.)
You've tried it once, and that's where your
" knowledge " stops, everything else is just a belief about "true dangers" of LSD25.
What I know is that it was so much Acid, so cheap
in late eighties, early nineties in the Benelux countries and England, that it made San Francisco in sixties look like Ryad, Saudi Arabia when it comes to narcotics.
And I also know that Man ocupying British Parliament at the time, were not blind or dumb
either.
Not even sure should I mention Dutch Royal Family, and their opinion about " Narcotics ".
to Acid.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 | 09:38 AM
Peter

"The only reason of me being on this silly forum is to protect that right that I share with every living soul."

The right the make MONEY in my country, even if it is a SCAM.

DUH
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 | 09:50 AM
Frank

"I am getting antsy myself as to published studies. It IS time to see some more actually published."

The problem for LifeWave LLC is that there are NO correctly performed studies. NON, ZERO.

LifeWave LLC can make claims about studies. After all, David Schmidt has claimed to be a "DR." "Inventor". (Ask someone very close to him about the worth of his claims). Claiming to have published studies is small change.

Schmidt has "invented" patches with tiny transmiters that talk to your body.

Meanwhile we have folks like dear old Peter rambling on about all manner of trivia:

"And I also know that Man ocupying British Parliament at the time, were not blind or dumb either.
Not even sure should I mention Dutch Royal Family, and their opinion about " Narcotics ". to Acid."

There can NEVER be any correctly performed double blind studies in the public forum because that would be the end of the scam.

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 | 09:53 AM
INVITATION

To those selling their LifeWave wares on Ebay. Please join in with your thoughts on this forum.

It would be refreshing to hear from people selling the patches and their thoughts about people who attempt to disturb the balance.

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 | 02:59 PM
I am indebted to Sandra for sharing her thoughts with me on how the LifeWave patches work.

We can all learn and feel comfortable that David Schmidt is truly a great inventor. Can't we?

"What if a chemical is simply one representation of a more fundamental vibrational reality that carries a specific signature? ... and what if the information and energy inherent in that molecule could be tapped and utilized without direct biochemical interaction?

Well, it can ... through a process called Resonant Energy Transfer. The body
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 | 07:10 PM
Yupi said:
"And why do you like telling other people what to do, can you just tell them what you have to say, and let their free will do the rest ?"

I wasn't telling him to do anything. I was begging him!
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 | 05:33 PM
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear,
pseudo journalism to the fore. Capt. Al (11 Jan 2006) seems to think that a dictation error disproves the whole of Quantum Field Theory!

In dictation, Carlo Rubbia was mis-heard by a German speaking person as Karlos Riebel (an error long since corrected). This is all that this pseudo-journalist has got right, however.

What he doesn't know is that Switzerland has three distinct language groups (German, French and Italian) and that Dr. Rubbia is an Italian Swiss.

Further, his meagre knowledge of the procedures and traditions of the Swedish Academy (the ones who award the Nobel Prizes) has lead him even further from reality: It is a tradition that the acceptance "lecture" is not about the research which won the Nobel Prize (quite likely to be several years old) but is, rather, an opportunity to present to the World the progress in the prize winner's current research.

As Mr. Smith doesn't give any address or even a telephone number on his website (sic!) it is a little problematical to deliver the summons for libel. Not impossible, however.

So you now have a choice:
You can take a serious look at a revolution in mankind's technology - do take some time for there are over one thousand pages on the website - or you can believe that a spelling mistake negates 22 years research and development and the experiences of thousands of users of the technology World-wide.
You may believe anything you like - it doesn't have to be true. Only knowledge need be true!

Toodle Pip
Karma Singh
Managing Director
Harmony United Ltd
http://www.harmonyunited.com
Blog: http://hu.blog.getinharmony.com :roll:
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 | 02:57 AM
Wow, it looks like the End Is Near, huh? Hmm, maybe we should have a mini-contest to guess what the excuse(s) will be about the collapse of LifeWave.

I'm going with "The product was exactly what they said it was but management screwed up" and "If only people had believed in the patches and not tried to bring the company down, it would still be going strong." Anyone got any others?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 | 11:17 AM
Karma Singh said:
<b>"pseudo journalism to the fore. Capt. Al (11 Jan 2006) seems to think that a dictation error disproves the whole of Quantum Field Theory!"</b>

Strawman argument. My comments were in reference to your beloved Harmony Chip, not Quantum Field Theory. Your snake oil pseudo-product has nothing to do with quantum anything. And I do know Switzerland has three language groups. And unlike you, I also know Dr. Rubbia is Italian. A quote from Dr. Rubbia's <a href="http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1984/rubbia-autobio.html">autobiography</a> on the Nobel website:

<i>"I was born in the small town of Gorizia, Italy, on 31 March, 1934."</i>

Mr. Singh, you expect us to believe your cheap piece of plastic can cure illness, fix cars and improve athletic performance as well as relationships? And you expect us to believe Quantum Field Theory proves the existance of a god? (No really! He actually says all this on <a href="http://www.harmonyunited.com/web/en/quantum_physics.html">his website</a>.) At least the Lifewave guys know their product is a scam.

Perhaps your ego is so inflated you actually believe you know something about applying advanced atomic theory and making a product with it. I would venture to say you don't know jack shit about physics. Readers, check out <a href="http://www.harmonyunited.com/viewart.html?id=108">Who is Karma Singh?</a> on his website. It says nothing about any university education or scientific credentials yet he claims to be part of something that is turning the scientific world on its head. If that's so, why is the Harmony Chip world limited to one cheap website? Hardly revolutionary. And in true Lifewave fashion, it says nothing about any research facility. Wouldn't a legitimate high-tech company show off pictures of researchers wearing white coats working in the lab using millions of dollars worth of scientific equipment? Not so with the Harmony Chip. Maybe you don't want us to know your "lab" is just a room in the basement where you burn incense.

<b>"As Mr. Smith doesn't give any address or even a telephone number on his website (sic!) it is a little problematical to deliver the summons for libel. Not impossible, however."</b>

Gee, I'm scared. I don't know much about law, but isn't libel writing things about people that aren't true? I welcome the opportunity to defend myself in public. Please, I be beg you, do it! That would force you to prove your product works, which you can't do, and make a great addition the James Randi weekly commentary.

My question still stands. Does Dr. Rubbia know you are using his name and reputation to promote the Harmony Chip? Perhaps I should contact him at the University of Pavia and ask.

Update: I actually found Dr. Rubbia's phone number at Pavia University's Department of Nuclear and Theoretical Physics. Anybody here speak Italian?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 | 01:01 PM
CMG

Some while back, I think it was you who talked about the excuses to come at the demise of LifeWave.

I agree absolutely. I can hear my good friend Bill in Alaska saying "I told you the patches worked, it was just that **** David Schmidt who ruined it for everyone".

After a suitable pause, Bill and his family will buy into the next "thing". It'll probably be whatever Dr Brown has come up with.

You can lead a horse to water...!

Cheers,
Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 | 01:04 PM
Captain Al

Isn't it funny how your post on the Harmony Chip reads like earlier posts on LifeWave?

I suppose this is the ongoing pattern of dialogue when people question scams.

No one likes to have the cash cow led away to the slaughter house!

Cheers,
Dave
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 | 08:43 PM
"Isn't it funny how your post on the Harmony Chip reads like earlier posts on LifeWave?"

I was just thinking the same thing on Karma's post. I didn't even realize she was talking about harmony whatevers until I got to the websites at the end. I honestly thought she was arguing for lifewave patches.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 | 09:32 PM
Razela

With the LifeWave scam all but over, I guess I'll have nothing to do in my spare time, or will I?

Maybe it's time to look at the great new thing that's going to make everyone healthy wealthy and wise.

Dr Stephen Brown is keen, shouldn't we all be?

"Now let me share with you that which I am now building so that you may choose to explore it and perhaps join me again in a journey of service and sharing."

I wonder how many Lifewavers felt like they were on a journey of service and sharing?

"Life is more than Lifewave and perhaps our shared journey will again be shared but in a different direction and with a different company."

There's that sharing thing again.

"Please visit my web site at http://myzavita.com/base/corporate/main.asp

Ah, the sell.

"Elixir of Life"

WOW. This is it folks. Forget those crummy patches that David Schmidt paid $3 to his brother to produce a month's supply.

This is the rainforest in a bottle!

Makes you feel great AND you will become extremely rich.

I'm sold...where do I sign up? I'm tingling all over just thinking about it.

Hallelujah, I have seen the light.

Blessings,

EDH UK
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 12:11 AM
EDHUK said:

"CMG

Some while back, I think it was you who talked about the excuses to come at the demise of LifeWave."

Yeah, it WAS me, wasn't it? Hmm, maybe I should try to remember my own words, huh? Doesn't LifeWave have a patch to help with that?

So, how long does LifeWave have to go? Will we hear about "Dr." Dave sneaking out of the country before the end of the year, or will he stick around for Christmas?
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 02:32 AM
Hi Folks and Folkesses,
I think that it's time to have a closer look at what Captain Al, Alias Alan L Smith of Alberta and British Columbia, Canada is trying to do. I think that a touch of reality could be useful here, don't you? A little later we will also look at why.

To mention just a few of his "teachers" (I don't necessarily mean this specifically, after all, Mr. Smith tells us nothing about himself as a person, I merely mention those historical figures who have used and are using the same techniques):
Adolf Hitler and friends
Pol Pot and friends
Joseph Stalin
Dick Cheney
etc.

So, what do they all have in common and where does Capt. Al fit into this scheme?
All have successfully manipulated and mislead people using exactly the same technique: Focus attention upon an irrelevancy and then blow it up so huge that the actual point of importance can no longer be seen.

So here, Carlo Rubbia is briefly mentioned in passing on one page on the Harmony United website because, some 30 years ago, he published research findings which are helpful in understanding the way in which the Harmony Chip is applied. I doubt whether Dr. Rubbia has even heard of the Harmony Chip. He certainly has had nothing to do with its' development. Dr. Rubbia is just mentioned in passing - nothing more than this.

Mr. Smith, however, would have you believe that his contention that Dr. Rubbia was born in Gorizia and now lives in Pavia proves that the Harmony Chip doesn't work!

The next item: The Harmony Chip is made out of a thermo-polymer (a high quality plastic) proves that it doesn't work! Since when does the construction material rather than the actual construction itself determine function? A computer chip is made out of sand. Does that tell you anything about microprocessors?

Item 3: He has no knowledge of Quantum Field Theory. This proves that I don't either!

Item 4: I was born and brought up in Yorkshire, England. This proves that I know nothing about Quantum Physics!

Item 5: " why is the Harmony Chip world limited to one cheap website?" A deliberate bare faced lie as anyone actually going to the website can see. http://www.harmonyunited.com You are, however, expected to take his word for this and not look yourself.

Item 6: The absence of photos of men in white coats on the websites proves that the Harmony Chip doesn't work! Have you ever seen such photos on a website? I haven't (except the pharmaceutical companies', of course). Just look how "clever" this manipulation is. The absence of an irrelevancy which one would neither expect to see nor, in any event, perceive as important in understanding what the product being offered does is cited as proof that something that Mr. Smith has never even seen let alone tested doesn't work!

Item 7: He's not "unscared" enough to put either an address or a 'phone number on his website or even in this forum. I don't have any such problem because I deal straight. I have no problem proving absolutely that the Harmony Chip is over 90% effective and anyone who's not completely happy (32 to date, in three years) gets their money back - that's why Mr. Smith remains in hiding.

Item 8: Another irrelevancy is now added. The arch con-artist James Randi suddenly "appears out of nowhere" and, without the slightest hint of context is added to the list of "proofs".

So now we come to why. What is Mr. Smith seeking by promulgating this nonsense?

This will be revealed in part two herunder.

Karma Singh
Harmony United Ltd.
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 02:33 AM
Captain Al and the Harmony Chip Part II

The clues are upon his website. http://www.hotelzulu.com/
Firstly, we ask the question, "Where is Mr. Smith?" The answer is, "Nowhere!" The only thing even approaching contact with Mr. Smith as a person is a photograph of his boat!
Then, we learn more by looking at his writing. Notice the completely cold, feelingless style.
The third piece of evidence with which he supplies us is that, although he claims to reside somewhere in Alberta, he is, apparently, almost always somewhere afloat off the coast of British Columbia.

Mr. Smith wants to get noticed! Mr. Smith feels that he belongs nowhere! His feelings of and expectation of rejection are so innate and ingrained that he seeks to avoid further rejection pain by hiding. On the other hand, the inner child Alan Smith is desperately seeking the attention which was denied him as a child. This is why he introduced Dr. Rubbia to the Life Wave (a product which I've never seen) controversy. The desperate attempt to purchase approval!

I've been working with people with such problems most of my professional career. I'm not the guy who invented the Harmony Chip (see website) I'm merely the one who worked out how to use it for the greater human good.

Now, I have good news for Capt. Al. The Harmony Chip can be used to remove your loneliness and misery. All you need do is to actually <u>study</u> the website to find it (or drop me an email).

Warmest regards to everyone

Karma Singh
Managing Director
Harmony United Ltd.
http://www.harmonyunited.com 😊
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 02:37 AM
"All have successfully manipulated and mislead people using exactly the same technique: Focus attention upon an irrelevancy and then blow it up so huge that the actual point of importance can no longer be seen."

Pot. Kettle. Black?
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 02:41 AM
No,
simple truth for a change.

Seek and yee shall find.

Regards

Karma Singh
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 07:02 AM
Karma Singh

Simple truth.

This Hoax Forum is devoted to a discussion about LifeWave LLC and the claims made by "Dr." David Schmidt. Namely that he has "invented" a new technology involving non-transdermal skin patches that "talk" to your body.

Your posts are very interesting but placed on the wrong forum.

Perhaps you would like to start a new forum on your Harmony Chip?

Regards,
Dave
EDH UK
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 08:13 AM
Hi Dave,
I couldn't agree more.

Why Mr. Smith put it in here I have no idea but I had to answer it where it lies.

Warmest regards

Karma
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 08:31 AM
Karama Singh,

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 | 03:33 PM
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear,
pseudo journalism to the fore. Capt. Al (11 Jan 2006) seems to think that a dictation error disproves the whole of Quantum Field Theory!

I missed the point that you were replying to a post from 7 months ago. Presumably you were reading this forum recently.

As LifeWave comes to a close, I would expect people to post here hoping to interest the disillusioned LifeWavers.

Perhaps if we start a new forum on your harmony chip we can exchange our individual versions of logic in the public forum...

I'd be happy to set it up if you like.

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 12:56 PM
Karma, read the title of the forum please and stick with the subject. If you wish you discuss lifewave, fine, but if you want to talk about harmony whatevers, please take it someplace else.

Also, if you do find a new forum, please respond to what people actually say. Making up fake rebuttals and then replying to those probably won't earn you many friends (or er...clients if that's what you're after).
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 04:42 PM
Karma,

I apologise for calling your product a cheap, useless piece of plastic. It's actually a very expensive, useless piece of plastic. I saw the <a href="http://www.harmonyunited.com/catalog/index.html?c=1">prices on your site</a>. And how dare you compare me to Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin. You don't even know me. I could be way worse than either of those guys.

Where I happen to be at any moment in time is irrelevant to this discussion. The question is, are you making false claims about your product? I say you are, even though I have never used it. The reason is, like Lifewave patches, the results you claim are not possible. In fact it goes against everything the scientific community has learned about the physical world and you apparently have no scientific training in quantum physics (or anything else) to judge it. Your arguments would be more convincing if you had letters behind your name and had published in a scientific journal such as <a href="http://www.nature.com/index.html">Nature</a>. As you can see, using the name of a respected scientist, without his permission, and taking his research out of context for your own purposes doesn't fool anyone here. The "theory" behind the Harmony Chip has no basis in fact.

However if you disagree, why not prove it to the world? The easiest way is to apply for the <a href="http://www.randi.org/research/index.html">One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge</a>. Your fame and sales will skyrocket overnight and everyone will see that I am wrong. Now before you weasel out by saying, "<a href="http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/990.php?ein=650649443&yr=200412&rt=990&t9=A">the prize money doesn't exist</a>", "Randi will never allow anyone to win", "the test will be rigged against me", etc, read the <a href="http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html">challenge FAQ</a>. It plainly states both parties will agree on the test protocol beforehand and the test will be designed to give a definite yes or no result, one that requires no interpretation by either party. It will be a legally binding contract that the JREF will not be able to break. If they did you could easily sue them and win. The JREF has representitives in the UK who can set the whole thing up. If your product is everything you say it is, you should have no trouble winning.

To say more about the Harmony Chip specifically, why not start a thread in the new forum as EDHUK suggests. If you do, please do us a favor and put it in the hoax category.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 04:58 PM
EDHUK,

You are right. The parallels between the Harmony Chip and Lifewave Energy patches are amazing. In both cases we have people with no scientific credentials who make "revolutionary inventions" that defy the known laws of physics. Yet strangely, we here nothing about them from the established scientific community.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 05:54 PM
Captain Al

"Yet strangely, we here nothing about them from the established scientific community."

It seems that there are enough people willing to buy into any scam, for a while at least, if the promise of money to be made is there.

The arguments for and against seem to follow a set pattern. You can substitute a given product into the discussion.

Everything we have seen on this forum applies.

"Have you tried it?"

"How can you say it doesn't work if you haven't tried it?"

"The scientific community is always one step behind the great inventors".

"You're just out to destroy people's cahnce to make an honest living".

Wonderful stuff!

Cheers,
Dave
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 09:10 PM
The Wonderful World of Harmony Chipping

Good morning everyone,
I note that there are some requests to move this to a new forum as it has nothing to do with Life Wave.

I have, therfore, asked Alex and Flora if this can be done.
Copy hereunder.
***********************************++

Dear Alex and Flora,
some time ago, a Mr. Alan Smith (member name Capt. Al) entered into the Life Wave Forum an "article" about the Harmony Chip which has absolutely nothing to do with the forum.

I have, of course, made reply to his deliberate misinformation but his paranoia is beginning to reach rediculous proportions and several member of the Life Wave forum have asked that the whole thing be transferred to a new Forum.

The first article (which I only became aware of last week) is from the 11th of January and my first reply from the 25th of August.

Would it be possible to move the whole thing over to a new forum, please?

Warmest regards
Karma Singh
Harmony United Ltd 😊
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 09:51 PM
Or you could just go here http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewforum/5/
and click "New Topic," but that works too I guess.
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 10:18 PM
God's morrow to one and all.
I think that the most significant point of Mr. Smiths comments in "reply" to mine are that he does not consider himself to be constrained by logic, the libel laws or even by common decency.

Let us face facts - Mr. Smith has never even seen a Harmony Chip, let alone tested one.

Mr. Smith does not know anyone who has.

Further, we see that Mr. Smith, by his own admission, has no knowledge of Quantum Field Theory and that this, somehow, proves that I don't either.
I'm sorry, Mr. Smith, but your logic (not to mention your reason) seems a little faulty to me.

Continuing in this vein, we see an assertion that things which are commonly experienced with the Harmony Chip "are not possible" simply because Mr. Smith has neither the training to understand how, nor has he allowed himself the opportunity to experience them.
Further, two pieces of hard evidence make it very clear that Mr. Smith has not even read the Harmony United website: He is unaware both of my gender (see his comments yesterday) and also of who actually invented the Harmony Chip.

That I don't advertise my doctorates, doesn't mean that they don't exist. Deductions based upon zero information are very unlikely to be correct, Mr. Smith!

Further, that Mr. Smith has no knowledge of what is going on in the World of Quantum Physicists, is, in some weird manner, presented as proof that the science behind the Harmony Chip technology doesn't exist. I think that you need a course in logic #101 Mr. Smith.

Well Mr. Smith. I see that you have now also libelled the inventor of the Harmony Chip. He is very proud of his scientific qualifications - he worked very hard to earn them. Something you would not know anything about.

I mention this because, you see, the libel laws were created not just to give recompense to those deliberately defamed by malicious scandal mongering but also to protect the public from those spreading misinformation causing harm to the public at large.
Although Mr. Smith claims to reside somewhere in Alberta, we see that his address of record is Alan Smith, 11691 Montego St., Richmond, V6X 1H6, British Columbia, Canada with a telephone number of 250-753-3476.

Do you wish to continue in this vein?

Toodle pip,
Karma Singh
Managing Director
Harmony United Ltd.
http://www.harmonyunited.com 😏
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 10:22 PM
Harmony Chip Part II (for today)

Mr. Radi's Million dollar Hoax would, perhaps, make a good topic for this website.
It was pointed out to me some three years ago by a friend who thought that I could walk of with his million Dollars in short order. Ostensibly yes, no problem. The most peculiar thing that gave me to pause, however, was that no-one had already done so despite there being many, many thousands who can and daily do "pass his test". If the offer were genuine, the million Dollars would have gone in the first half hour.

So, I did some digging: Mr. Randi is an extremely manipulative person who will do anything at all for publicity at anybody else's cost! He is a con artist who has, by presenting a "face of public concern" gotten away with a completely fraudulent offer for many years. All the tests are either rigged so that "his" result comes out or there is always a loophole which lets him declare it void.

If you read his website you can see that this goes through almost everything he does. Extremely skewed logic, suppression of facts and "proofs" with not the slightest trace of supporting evidence are the typical "order of the day".

No Mr. Smith, your teacher James Randi is just a slightly richer con artist than you. Neither of you have the slightest interest in truth and are quite prepared to injure a great many people for your own self-aggrandisement.


Keep smiling

Karma
http://www.harmonyunited.com 😡
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 10:26 PM
Harmony chip Part III (for today)

Hi Dave,
please don't take your directions from Mr. Smith.
I hold you to be wiser than that.

That neither of you study Quantum Physics is not proof that the "scientific community" (whatever this may be) is unaware of scalar ordering.
See Logic#101 above.

Further, complete lack of knowledge and/or experience of a topic <strong><u>IS</strong></u> grounds for doubting the validity of criticism about it.

Warmest regards

Karma
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 | 10:33 PM
Karma,

Two comments:

1) Please take this to a new forum. As I wrote before, just go to http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewforum/5/ and click the "new topic" button in the upper right.

2) It's rather rude to post personal information about others on this forum (or any other for that matter) without their express permission. It's just a simple matter of respecting each other's privacy.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 | 01:00 AM
"Mr. Smith does not know anyone who has."

Better watch out Captain Al, Karma Singh knows everyone who you know!
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 | 01:19 AM
"Dear Alex and Flora,
some time ago, a Mr. Alan Smith (member name Capt. Al) entered into the Life Wave Forum an "article" about the Harmony Chip which has absolutely nothing to do with the forum."


Actually, it was WWSN1. Captain Al responded. And the Harmony Chip was featured in a whole two posts, not even for the purpose of debating the procuct, but as a comparison in marketing practices and copy writing.

(Sorry Razela, I'll stop encouraging this to continue here...)
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 | 01:37 AM
I'm sorry, I just couldn't help myself...(I know, my resolve lasted a whopping 20 minutes!)

From the Harmony United site:
"When I am asked what quantum physics is, I am compelled to answer that it is the final scientific proof that God is real." ... "This is what Quantum Physics is - the rediscovery of who you are and the herald of a new beginning for mankind as he re-awakens her divine presence here on Earth."

From jracademy.com:
"Quantum physics tries to explain the behavior of even smaller particles. These particles are things like electrons, protons, and neutrons. Quantum physics even describes the particles which make these particles!"

From thinkquest.org:
"Quantum physics is a branch of science that deals with discrete, indivisible units of energy called quanta as described by the Quantum Theory. There are five main ideas represented in Quantum Theory:
1. Energy is not continuous, but comes in small but discrete units.
2. The elementary particles behave both like particles and like waves.
3. The movement of these particles is inherently random.
4. It is physically impossible to know both the position and the momentum of a particle at the same time. The more precisely one is known, the less precise the measurement of the other is.
5. The atomic world is nothing like the world we live in."

I wonder if all the quantum physic scientists know that they're way off track?
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
 Member
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 | 07:37 AM
Karma, we did receive your email. As Razela says, if you wish to start a new thread on the Harmony Chip, do so on the new forum (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/), rather than derailing this thread any further.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 | 07:54 AM
Karma,

I'm sorry the mystery of how to start a new forum was more difficult to fathom than Quantum Physics.

I've taken the liberty to start it for you. Now we can converse in the correct forum away from the wonders of David "Dr." Schmidt's amazing patches that "Talk" to your body.

Cheers,
Dave

HARMONY CHIP FORUM

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/2084/
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 | 09:38 AM
And now back to the chase:

Dr Brown has shared his thoughts about LifeWave. It was noticeable that he didn't declare the idea of the patches a scam, just that DS is mismanaging the LifeWave company by micromanaging etc.

"Now, that you have some idea that all is not as it seems to be and are undoubtedly aware that no one in Lifewave has been paid for two or three weeks and that the auto ships and the new computer software are again a complete mess, I would like to place before you the possibility that some of what is on http://www.worldwidescam.com is in fact closer to the truth than many of us have before even suspected.

Consider that it may be highly likely that the sleep patch has existed since 1990 and that the true inventor of this technology is a Korean.

Soon, I will have proof of the truth or untruth of this statement and soon as well I will be able to test the strength of patches which will cost half as much.

If I find the proof and the patches work, I will notify all of you so that you may honor your Lifewave lineage and simply shift to another company. We shall see.

You may not realize this but David Schmidt pays his brother $3 for each month supply and then sells it to LifeWave for $15. Do you now have a better idea that someone is making a great deal of money even if very few associates are."

Could this be why he didn't rubbish the patches. The good doctor has his own patches to keep you going...and they're cheaper.

"...honor your Lifewave lineage".

What's that phrase about honour among...?

Please tell me, LifeWavers, are you really going to just transfer to another scam and go on as if nothing has changed?

Anybody?

Dave
Joe
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 | 10:15 AM
As Lifewave slowly collapses with many of the top people leaving, it will be interesting to see how many smaller spin-off companies will embrace this "technology." These top people have seen first hand that people will buy these patches, so why stop when there is money out there.

I agree with Dave's observation, Dr. Brown's letter sidestepped the validity of the patches and focused on the money and the management.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 | 10:24 AM
Joe,

It's just like magic. The art of distraction.

"Don't take your eye off the ball".

While everyone is being distracted by how much money David Schmidt has swindled out of his flock, the question about the efficacy of the patches is conveniently ignored.

Don't you just love it!

Cheers,
Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 | 11:47 AM
Now that the LifeWave distributors know that they should be able to get the patches for $3 per 1-month box from David Schmidt's brother,(that's just $0.05 per patch for this amazing advanced nanotechnology that took 10 years for D.S. to develop) and sell them to people at $90 per box (for a 3000 percent markup), I'm sure that after Lifewave LLC collapses there will be many distributors who will try to carry on the business. They'll also probably buy a 20 year supply at the amazingly low price of just $3 per box, and wear the patches everywhere they go, and stick them on all of their children, for the next 20 years. Such a deal.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 | 12:45 AM
Karma Singh said:

"Mr. Radi's Million dollar Hoax would, perhaps, make a good topic for this website.
It was pointed out to me some three years ago by a friend who thought that I could walk of with his million Dollars in short order. Ostensibly yes, no problem. The most peculiar thing that gave me to pause, however, was that no-one had already done so despite there being many, many thousands who can and daily do "pass his test". If the offer were genuine, the million Dollars would have gone in the first half hour."

Uh, you're making a serious charge here. Since Randi has made the Challenge in public, if you could PROVE that he has "cheated" on it, you would be more than entitled to take him to court. I'm curious as to what excuse you will make for not having done so.

If you would go to the section of Randi's site (randi.org) where the details of the various applications for the million dollars reside, you would see that Randi and his staff go to extraordinary lengths to try to accomodate the applicants. Some of the negotiations go on for months, even years.

If you have any actual EVIDENCE that Randi's Challenge is fraudulent, please provide it in lieu of unsubstiated accusations.

"So, I did some digging: Mr. Randi is an extremely manipulative person who will do anything at all for publicity at anybody else's cost! He is a con artist who has, by presenting a "face of public concern" gotten away with a completely fraudulent offer for many years. All the tests are either rigged so that "his" result comes out or there is always a loophole which lets him declare it void."

Nonsense. Many people have taken an initial test prior to the Challenge. The sad fact is that no one has demonstrated ANY "supernatural forces" and therefore the applicants can't get past the preliminary testing. Again, if you have PROOF that Randi's Challenge is fraudulent, you should present such in the context of a law suit.
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 | 01:59 AM
Starting a new forum

Hi EDUK.
Startng a new forum is one thing.

Transferring all the entries from The Life Wave forum to a new one is something only the webmaster can do.

Am I the only one who can think clearly here?

Toodle pip
Karma 😝
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 | 02:15 AM
RE: Quantum Physics

Hi,
hcmomof4 in So. Cal.

Unfortunately, there's rather more to Quantum Physics that copying down a "popular" definition from websites devoted to children.

Spend about five years studying the ramifications of your quotes at Caltech, for example, and you'll begin to get a basic grasp
of quantum physics.
After that, take a post doctorate course in Quantium Field Theory and, after a couple of years or so, you'll know both why the Harmony Chip functions and why, to date, 22 years of research have gone into it.

What you will not have, is the experience of a Harmony Chip: That is a lot easier and cheaper.

That starts here:
http://www.harmonyunited.com/catalog/index.html?id=&loc=US

Karma 😊
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 | 02:16 AM
"Am I the only one who can think clearly here?"

Hmmmmm.....let me think...
...I think EDHUK managed to do it....
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 | 02:26 AM
Gosh, yes, I probably should consider that a website devoted to selling a product would be much more accurate than a website devoted to education!

I wasn't trying to teach, preach, sell, or even understand quantum physics. I was merely pointing out the difference between the scientific definition of quantum physics and the definition on the harmonyunited site.

Oh, and before we get into trouble, if we want to continue our bickering, we'd better take it over to the thread that was made for it!
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 | 03:14 AM
Mr. Randi

Anyone who can both read and think logically need only spend a mere half hour on Mr. Randis website to see that his whole modus operandi is to mislead.

I don't know of anyone who was foolish enough to take up his "challenge". I do, however, know many who have looked at it in detail and seen that he has no intention of allowing a fair test.
Maybe that's what he means by "failures" - he's failed to con lots of competent healers and clairvoyants (true).

Download his challenge, study the structure and limitations and conditions which he places upon it, study the art of healing for about 5 years or so and then you will know what I'm talking about.

Ignorance may make you feel good, temporarily, but does have the drawback that it doesn't get you anywhere - it just digs you a hole to lie in.

Wake up Sunshine - the universe is not governed by "nice" fantasies and will bite you "in the tail" if you keep trying to make it do so.

Karma 🐍
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 | 06:51 AM
Karma

"Hi EDUK.
Startng a new forum is one thing.

Transferring all the entries from The Life Wave forum to a new one is something only the webmaster can do.

Am I the only one who can think clearly here?

Toodle pip
Karma"

Says who? perhaps your reasoning process is why you found it totally impossible to start a new forum in the first place. Yet, you want the world to believe you are a highly educated man.

It's beyond laughable!

The more you state, the more you demonstrate to one and all your extremely weird form of logic.

I transfered SOME, NOT ALL, of the posts to bring us up to speed. I also linked to another website where the posts have been questioning your sanity since earlier this year.

THIS LIFEWAVE FORUM IS NOT THE PLACE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT YOUR MENTAL HEALTH.

PLEASE DO NOT POST HERE IN THE VAIN HOPE OF GAINING CUSTOMERS FROM THE COLLAPSING LIFEWAVE SCAM.

This discussion should continue on the Harmony Chip forum, where I will now cut and paste these posts to bring us up to speed again.

Toodle pip Rodney.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/2084/P20/

EDH UK
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 | 02:25 PM
Karma Singh said:

"Anyone who can both read and think logically need only spend a mere half hour on Mr. Randis website to see that his whole modus operandi is to mislead.

"I don't know of anyone who was foolish enough to take up his "challenge". I do, however, know many who have looked at it in detail and seen that he has no intention of allowing a fair test."

So, since you've apparently done the "leg work" here, why don't you just SHOW us where the deception in Randi's Challenge is?

By the way, you DO realize that Randi isn't involved with the actual testing of any applicant, right?

As is only fair, all parts of any actual testing have to be agreed to by both parties prior to the start of things. If you agree beforehand that everything is fair, how can you bitch afterwards that you got screwed?
Karma Singh
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 | 02:58 PM
Hi Cranky,
I don't see any need for me to do your work for you.

Ciao Bello

Karma :cheese:
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 | 03:10 PM
Wrong thread guys:

Harmony Patch thread:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/2084/

See you there.

Cheers,
Dave
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
 Member
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 | 03:19 PM
I'll repeat what Dave has said.
He's started the thread and very kindly posted everything that has been said about the Harmony Chip over there. Please discuss it in the new, shiny, and custom-written thread, instead of the Lifewave one.
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/2084/

Thanks.

-Admin.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 | 12:48 AM
Karma Singh said:

"Hi Cranky,
I don't see any need for me to do your work for you."

See, that's the thing: it ISN'T "my" work. YOU'RE the one making a strong allegation about Randi, calling him a fraud.

What I get from this is that you CAN'T point to anything that "proves" that there is fraud involved with Randi's Challenge. In that case, all you're really doing is making serious accusations against someone with NO substantiation. I think we can all now feel free to not take you seriously on this matter. Nice try at palming it off on me, though.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 | 06:05 AM
CMG

I've posted your comment on the new Harmony Chip thread.

Cheers,
Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 | 07:18 AM
HARMONY CHIP here

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/2084/P20/
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 | 01:05 AM
Thanks, Dave.

Oh, the fun we're gonna have on that new thread, huh?
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 | 04:54 AM
So...about lifewave.

I honestly didn't think we could find a crazier people then all the lifewavers, but Karma takes the bate. Those lifewave guys are actually starting to see a bit sane after talking with Karma.

And yes, it's 3:50am my home time...don't ask.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 | 06:04 AM
Razela

Guess someone didn't wear their LifeWave sleep patch!

Dave

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/2084/P40/
irrelevant
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 | 10:15 AM
Who Farted?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 | 12:06 AM
It kinda looks like Karma scared all the LifeWavers away...
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