The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 | 11:49 AM
Wow...where do I start?

<strong>"I know exactly what does it mean PRESERVING AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE AT ANY COST.And again I respect that, even if they have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent children all over the world."</strong>

Can we keep politics out of this? In case you haven't seen the opinion poles lately, almost the entire US population is unhappy with our government right now, so you're just preaching to the choir.

<strong>An American "institution" is
saying " INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY "
David Schmidt, Dr.D, call Him whatever the fuck you want is INNOCENT right now. And as such His Establishment known as Lifewave is STILL legit operation, and not a SCAM by definition, because only when is PROOVEN such as " a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation " you can call it that</strong>

Ok, now that's just completely wrong. In the courts, a person being accused of a crime is "innocent until proven guilty." So yes, in that sense, DS isn't legally considered guilty, at this point. However, we can call it whatever we want. Our first amendment does say "The right to free speech."

How could anyone ever be guilty if no one was alowd to prove they were guilty before the courts made a decision, or in that case, before it was even in the courts.

As an example of the absurdity of your logic: Two suspected serial killers were arrested last night in phoenix. Police are pretty positive that these are he guys who did all the murders. Since they haven't yet gone to court, these men are still "innocent." According to your logic, that would mean that we are not allowed to talk about or call these men serial killers because they haven't been officially declared as such by the courts, even though it's pretty damn certain that it was them.

<strong>it is sick because you
sick people are against "Lifewave belivers" feelings, because they are absolutely innocent for
having feelings that they have.</strong>

We are not against lifewave believers' feelings at all. In fact, that's why we're here. Innocent people are getting conned all the time by lifewave, and if we can prevent even a few innocent people from becoming victems of this scam by merely posting on a message board, we're going to do it.

<strong>This is 21 century, use of these terms in western cultures is absolutely normal.
Especialy motherf**ker, because is derived from
Jesus.</strong>

First of all, use of those terms are still not even allowed on American television, so I'm not sure what exactly you are calling normal. Second, "motherf*cker is derived from jesus???" I can sort of see the reference, but that's well...exclude the language...F'd up. I honestly have some trouble believing that, though I wouldn't put money on it. Where did you hear that? Do you have any references? Honestly, I'm just really curious.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 | 06:53 PM
Raz :
"Ok, now that's just completely wrong. In the courts, a person being accused of a crime is "innocent until proven guilty." So yes, in that sense, DS isn't legally considered guilty, at this point."

First, I am completely wrong, than you say I'm not.

Legally considered guilty, is exactly what I'm talking about all this time. You can accuse Him all you want, but until He's prooven guilty of scam, fraud or whathaveyou, Davey is legally clean as a whistle. And legal action is THE ONLY WAY to
stop scam, not beliefs from some net forum.

In order for David to be charged with anything illegal, prosecution would have to come up with
something, and if they do, I'll put my hands together in recognition of that succes.
That is my logic, that you call absurd.
If you think my life depends on Lifewave, you're
wrong. As of right now I love it, if it for whatever reason goes down, so be it.

And I've said so many times, I feel what it says on Lifewave EE package to be true, and that's where the story ends. I am THE ONLY person to judge what I feel, and no one else. Your try to convince me how I actualy feel placebo, how I am gulible, duped, coned, scamed is DIRECT VIOLATION OF MY RIGHTS TO BE FREE.
You can go door to door like JW's, and educate people about due dilligence and Davids private life, @ MY DOOR you will see the sign
NO SOLICITING !!!!!!!!!
I mean, Is U FEEL ME ON THAT ONE ??????
So far, none of you did !!!!
Is there someone outhere who can understand how much do I and rest of what do you call " Lifewave believers " care what is your opinion on Lifewave?

IS THERE ANYONE OUTHERE WHO WOULD BE SO KIND TO START ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS REGARDING ISSUE OF WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO QUESTION WHAT I FEEL ???????

Now Jesus, see Raz, people that like to call themselves "Christians" have hallucinations of Jesus being part of something they call Trinity.
Son,Spirit,Father trio that is actualy One, Jesus,
because they trippin Jesus will come flying on the cloud back to Earth, this time as The God, 2000 years ago He was Son. His mother was,impregnated by " word of God ", technicaly, He is His own father, that's where MF label is from.
And poor kid was only THE MESSIAH, as prophesized
in about 300 prophecies of TORAH.
Hope that was understandable.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 | 04:57 AM
"And legal action is THE ONLY WAY to
stop scam, not beliefs from some net forum."

No, Peter, many scams have been stopped, or ground to a halt, without legal action. If enough people read what is written here, and then decide that the "anti" LW group makes a better point that the "for" LW group, then LifeWave will stop succeeding.

"IS THERE ANYONE OUTHERE WHO WOULD BE SO KIND TO START ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS REGARDING ISSUE OF WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO QUESTION WHAT I FEEL ???????"

Mostly, no one is questioning what you feel. They are asking you to question why you feel it. I don't think anyone even cares if you really want to pay to use the LW patch. This forum would not exist if the patches were being given away. You seem to understand the theory, and the possibility, of a placebo. But you also seem to be dedicated to believing that the patches are a unique and original placebo, causing unique and original results. The argument here is that there are a number of un-truths being used to sell the patches. It all starts out ok, "We don't know how they work...", but then goes on with some incredible made up techno/nano/bio/babble, followed up with promises of proof, but no delivery.

(I'm gonna leave the Jesus/MF issue way alone. That entire thing belongs somewhere else than here.)
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 | 05:11 AM
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.

"This forum would not exist if the patches were being given away."

Precisely. Peter and nanoman etc. would not be involved in LifeWave if there was no money involved.

It's all about the money, always has been, always will be.

With apologies to your "feelings" Peter.

Dave
Solly
Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 | 08:28 PM
Hi everyone,
I have been away and just got back and read the comments by Yewpiter from Jewpiter. Frankly I am disgusted in his comments and I take umbrage at using my Lords name in such a manner. It appears to me that he was dropped on his head as a child and his brains or the little he had were well and truley scrambled. I also take umbrage to blaming the government for everything that happens. Conspiracy theory idiots only add fuel to the fire by claiming such rubbish and they don't realise that our enemies love to hear it. Anything that can fan anti-western hatred is welcomed by all fruit cakes, communists, terrorists and other despots who control their people by fear, false religion and the gun. I could go on and on but I won't so I will finish by saying if you don't like the way we live and enjoy our freedoms then go and live somewhere else and see if you can open yur filthy mouth like you are doing now. Guess what you won't even get a chance to say boo before some crazed fanatic either cuts your throat or puts a bullet between your eyes.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 | 01:33 AM
Hey welcome back solly.

I was gone for awhile too, but that's because my computer wouldn't let me post (I have no idea why). now I've got a new computer and it works fine.

Ok...now...back to main topic
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 | 09:58 AM
Solly and Razela

As you can see on the forum, the LifeWavers are conspicuous by their absence.

Peter has given some light relief with his heartfelt observations on people who dare to question the authenticity of the self proclaimed "Dr." David Schmidt.

I'm hoping that Bob Burtis's "source" will allow him to share more goodies with us. She knows DS extremely well and is in a unique position to "tell it all!"

Even then, the hard liners will claim it's all lies. What else can you do when the prospect of making money from gullible people appears to be slipping away?

Meantime I guess we enjoy the summer.

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 | 02:13 PM
"100% Product Guarantee
LifeWave stands behind the quality of each of our products with a 100% satisfaction guarantaee."

That's wonderful but,surely, it's time to fire your proof reader!

;o)
Solly
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 | 04:39 PM
Hi all,
Further to my last message to Yewpiter. I recently saw a documentary on our local ABCTV Four Corners about the so called morale police in Iran and how those descpicable cretans hung an innocent 16 year girl. The trumped up charges were made under their so called crimes against chastity laws all because she was a typical teenager wanting to enjoy life. It is a long story so I won't go into all the details. She unfortunately fell into the trap of starting a relationship with a leech old enough to be her father and instead of the leech being hung for rape and under age sex he got away while she paid the price. Okay what is my point, I just want to make sure Yewpiter gets the message that he and all those who puts us down should enjoy the freedoms they have without abusing them because in other countries people don't have that luxury.

Before I finish I just had a thought in places like Iran, Yewpiter and his Lifewave buddies would be shot or hung peddling their crap because the morale police would say that it is an instrument of the devil. It is bad enough that most of these societies are still in the dark ages and lack scientific knowledge but if they tested the patches and the science failed which it would. Then they would be justified in protecting their citizens by getting rid of the devils agents.

Think about it Yewpiter and stop your crap.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 | 06:40 PM
I have to laugh at Lifewave's website which includes the story about a high school freshman track runner, Brianna Willis, who ran a personal record best ("PR") while wearing the patches. The writeup says that she consistently trains hard in practices.

Well, duh, PR's are what physical maturation and training will always produce in 14 year old track athletes (barring injuries). When I was a 15-17 year old high school track runner, almost every one of my races established a PR, simply because with each race I was physically more mature and better conditioned. And I didn't need no stinking patches.

If that's the best story about someone achieving a PR using the patches that LifeWave can gather, it's a pretty good indicator of how few people experience any objectively measurable results while wearing these stupid patches, placebo effect or not.

Once again, we see that LifeWave is targetting as its customers the people at the extreme left on the bell curve.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 | 09:39 PM
More "nuggets" from the LifeWave website:

"That's how our business has grown as large as it is, simply by people sharing their stories with others,..."

"Stories" being the operative word here.

LifeWave has been a fictional story from the start with no solid facts to back up ANY of the wild claims made by self proclaimed "Dr." David Schmidt.

Perhaps a few solid facts will begin to surface over the next few weeks due to Schmidt's changed family circumstances?

A little bit of the truth would be so refreshing after all the LIES we have been reading for so long.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 | 09:43 PM
"This week it was announced that not only is David Beckham wearing nanotechnology Lifewave energy patches, but the England team will be sporting them at the World Cup ; wearing them to enhance their performance particularly near the end of a match when energy levels are exhausted."

Now, remind me again. How did England do in the World Cup?

Anybody?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 | 10:27 PM
<a href="http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/060718/1/8sse.html">England did so well</a> in the 2006 World Cup that the <a href="http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/060703/1/8ixm.html">coach lost his job</a> and David Beckham <a href="http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/060702/1/8ido.html">resigned as team captain</a>. One British newspaper described coach Goran Eriksson's departure as the "end of an error". Any bets on whether or not the team will use Lifewave patches next time?
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 | 05:13 AM
" LifeWave has been a fictional story from the start with no solid facts to back up ANY of the wild claims made by self proclaimed "Dr." David Schmidt."

If this is the truth, it would be more than enough
for the authorities to shut down LifeWave LLC.
And you wouldn't have to bother with dancing on
event of destruction of David's family.
It seems like in your absolute inability to proove
LifeWave LLC is a scam company, especially now, with
100% satisfaction money back guarantee you will have to focus on His Toddler days, or even to jump on
His Family tree, just to see what was going on in that bloodline.
Knock yourself out !
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 | 05:15 AM
Captain Al

You can hear the LifeWave responses already.

"They didn't have the patches in exactly the right places."

"The players weren't hydrated properly. If only they had used the Okalani water."

"The team didn't believe in the product, they were just told to wear the patches."

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=538176

"Dr." David Schmidt continues to make chumps out of people around the world.

Anyone out there feeling like a chump about now?

?

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 | 05:19 AM
Peter

"100% satisfaction money back guarantee"

So, you know this is a FACT because you have got your money back?

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 | 05:22 AM
"So, what exactly is this Clustered Water supposed to do, anyway? The Cellcore-Utah site featured a list of benefits imparted by drinking
the stuff, including claims that Clustered Water "hydrates the cells," "enhances the body's immune system," "improves cell to cell communication," and "energizes the body through resonance."

"Resonance"

Where have I heard that word before?


Anybody?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 | 05:30 AM
Peter

"It seems like in your absolute inability to proove LifeWave LLC is a scam company,.."

I'm sorry Peter, I didn't realize the general public has a responsibility to "prove" that any given person or company is selling a bogus product.

I always, mistakingly according to you, thought that a person or company making claims about a product were obliged to support the claims with hard facts.

You know the sort of thing...double blind studies, not just word of mouth testimonials.

Silly me. How can you bear posting on a forum in the company of such illogical thinkers like me?

Regards,
Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 | 05:34 AM
David Schmidt's Secret Weapon

Why do people buy into this scam...any scam?

http://skepdic.com/magicalthinking.html

?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 | 04:54 AM
EDHUK said:

"Resonance"

Where have I heard that word before?"

Oh, maybe in just about every New Age scam of the past 20 years or so?

For laughs, I went to a "Psychic Fair" down the Oregon coast from where I live this past weekend.

Oh, there was a LOT of "resonance"-type jargon flying around that place. LOTS of crystals being sold, LOTS of "readers" of "auras" and so forth. On one level, it was a total hoot. On another, it was kind of pathetic.

The crowd: nearly 100% white, fairly well-off looking, I'd say. Mostly college-educated, I'd guess. No trailer trash in evidence.

This would be WAY off-topic, but remind me some time to tell you the story of the "hypnotized" volunteer at the local County Fair Wednesday who was convinced that I was Justin Timberlake. No, I'm not kidding!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 | 07:37 AM
CMG

"This would be WAY off-topic, but remind me some time to tell you the story of the "hypnotized" volunteer at the local County Fair Wednesday who was convinced that I was Justin Timberlake. No, I'm not kidding!"

WOW! Maybe you've hit on something. Was David Schmidt hypnotized years ago and told that he was a "Dr." of science who had invented a revolutionary non-transdermal patch system that defied all known laws of science?

Holy cow. Isn't David going to feel really bad when he finally gets the command that brings him out of the trance and back to being a two year business studies graduate!

CMG Your insight is very powerful.

Cheers,
Dave
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 | 03:25 AM
I think you may have something here, EDHUK. If this girl:

http://flickr.com/photos/75868816@N00/211691241/

can be hypnotized into thinking that I'm Justin Timberlake, certainly a brilliant guy like Dave Schultz can be made to believe that he's a "doctor." I think you've figured out the alibi he's going to use when the government finally gets off its ass and prosecutes him.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 | 07:48 AM
CMG

Schultz, Schmidt, whatever.

I continue to be amazed (but by now really shouldn't be) at how many "intelligent " people are still hooked.

I asked someone what "testing" they had done to satisfy themselves that the patches were the real deal.

"First, I wore the patches for three months myself. My afternoon 'hypo' time of sleepiness, a nearly life-long problem, ceased. I then started trying the patches on patients. A simple test was to have them count the reps. they could do of a common exercise in the gym, put on the patches, wait 5 minutes, do the exercise again. There is nearly always a 35-40% improvement."

This reply was from an alternative healthcare provider. An indication of the difficulty in getting the point across that DS is completely full of BS!

Enjoyed your photos by the way.

Cheers,
Dave
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 | 09:17 AM
"For the record, I am 54 years old, over 300 pounds and look ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like Justin Timberlake."

Cranky, maybe Justin Timberlake will weigh 300 pounds when he's 54.
Charybdis
in Hell
 Member
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 | 09:48 AM
That's right, maybe she's an indigo child and can see the future Justin Timberlake.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 | 02:16 PM
BECKHAM DROPPED FROM ENGLISH SOCCER SQUAD

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5863846?FSO1&ATT=HMA

Lifewave poster boy David Beckham has been dropped from the English soccer team by coach Steve McLaren. "While his accuracy from dead balls is still sharp, Beckham has started to lose pace - highlighted when 19-year-old Aaron Lennon twice replaced him at the World Cup."

"Losing his pace" -- would that mean suffering from a lack of energy and stamina? But how could that possibly be if he was wearing "Dr." Schmidt's magic energy patches, mixed in Dr. Schmidt's own family kitchen with the household dog at his feet?

I guess Lifewave will have to shift its marketing emphasis to obscure 14-year old girl track runners for their examples of performance improvement. Scratch David Beckham, scratch the Moorehouse College football team, scratch the Troy University football team - all decidedly unhelpful examples of patch use in real life by people that Lifewave had previously trumpeted as shining examples of patch use.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 | 05:30 AM
Hmm, maybe if I wore LifeWave patches, I wouldn't BE over 300 pounds...AND I would remember David Schmidt's last name.

Thanks for the kind words about my silly photos, EDHUK.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 | 05:37 AM
This is off-topic, I know, but since you mentioned Indigo Children...

Remember Jenny McCarthy, the MTV hottie with a body like a brick outhouse? Who knew she was an Indigo?

indigomoms.com

OK, now someone is going to have to explain to me what a "Crystal" is (they're mentioned on the site).
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 | 09:17 AM
CMG

"Perhaps you've noticed this special new "breed" of children rapidly populating our planet. They are happy, delightful, and forgiving. This generation of new lightworkers, roughly ages 0 through 7, are like no previous generation. Ideal in many ways, they are the pointers for
where humanity is headed . . . and it's a good direction!"

http://www.thecrystalchildren.com/crystal.html

Humans have the overpowering need to make sense of their world. We "see" the face of Jesus is a pizza or a potato chip.

Now we seem to be attributing special significance to "crystal" children.

LifeWave LLC scam products thrives on this kind of thinking process. David Schmidt relies on the self selection process whereby if you fall for the dumb presentation from a distributor, you are just the kind of person who will buy the product, use it and feel a benefit, and sell it to other gullible folks.

Perfect. Unethical, deceitful, dishonest, but it works on some people, and in the big picture you don't need that many people to make a good living for a time before the inevitable collapse.

Cheers,
Dave
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 | 01:06 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

I just found that and it seems like a pretty good summary of the Indigo Children phenomenon.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 | 01:13 AM
Hey, EDHUK, did you catch this part:

"I first began noticing the Crystal Children during my travels around the world, giving workshops about the angels. I noticed their eyes and magnetic personalities. I held mental conversations with the children, and could clearly hear them answer my questions in mind. I would watch them smile in response to my mentally sent compliments. These kids hear my thoughts! I realized." (odd line spacing corrected)

Yikes, Vulcan mind-meld with toddlers!

Actually, I have a theory about this BS. I've noticed that Yuppie-type parents seem to want to believe that their perfectly normal (and perfectly average) kids are somehow Uber-kids, that they are superior in some tangible way to everyone else's drool-covered rug rats. I think this Crystal/Indigo Child nonsense plays into this desire to have Superchildren.

If you want to make millions of dollars with little actual physical labor, come up with a racket that plays to this Yuppie self-delusion. Tell 'em their kids are Star Spawn or something and they'll throw the dollars they haven't spent on Volvos and Starbucks lattes at you.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 | 03:47 PM
CMG

They are everywhere!

http://skepdic.com/news/newsletter65.html#7

Check out Indigo children

AND STRUCTURED WATER!

It must be so easy to make everyone is doing it.
http://www.hado.net/FAQ%20for%20indigo_water.html

Cheers,
Dave
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 | 01:13 AM
Indigo water! Phew, that's an extra-stinky pile of horse manure, huh? Oh, and he "structures" it with HIS MIND. Well, there you go. You can't argue with THAT, can you?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 | 06:47 PM
I am indebted to Ralph McCutcheon for allowing me to correspond via email in an attempt to understand how there are still people using/selling patches.

Ralph McCutcheon ND DO BAc

Balanced Health Seminars/
Complementary Medicine Practitioner/
'Dawson Program' Trainer
Co-author of the #1 Best Seller "Wake Up....Live the Life You Love"
http://www.balancedhealthseminars.co.uk

I asked Ralph about his due diligence:

"First, I wore the patches for three months myself. My afternoon 'hypo' time of sleepiness, a nearly life-long problem, ceased. I then started trying the patches on patients. A simple test was to have them count the reps. they could do of a common exercise in the gym, put on the patches, wait 5 minutes, do the exercise again. There is nearly always a 35-40% improvement."

A special case example:

"A New Zealand rugby player, Reece Spee, sidelined for 18 months with an Achilles tendon injury, responded in minutes to energy patches applied locally, and is now back on the field.'

I contacted the team and received this info:

"These things come along every now and then but I have never heard of this one, I Will speak to Reece tomorrow see what he says...according to his medical records he only had one significant injury in the last three years which was a Knee problem that was successfully operated on four months ago,our people gave him the "all clear" before we signed the contract . I always say to my guys " If it looks to good to be true it usually is "

Regards

Phil

A little confusing, but Ralph kindly had an answer:


"Sorry, you are quite right, it was his friend Norps I had in mind. Reece however has also done well with the patches. I woke at 0400 this morning with the memory that I had given the wrong name...."

I presume Ralph is not using the sleep patch product.

"I am as keen as anyone to avoid the very many inadequate products on the market, and in my profession I come across many!"

Obviously very reassuring.

"I have spent the weekend with an acute low back spasm, which the patches ddid nothing to alleviate, so they don't help everything, but on many instances they do."

Honesty, I appreciate that.


"I am interested to know how you formed your poor opinion of the company. My impression is of a young, struggling and rather disorganised outfit with a very good product but not a lot of research or marketing capital just yet. I have heard 'quack-busting' tales before of sham patches, but the writers have been so obviously biased themselves that I give them no credit whatever. As an ex engineer, I am impressed not just by design but especially by function."
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 | 01:52 AM
"I always say to my guys 'If it looks to [sic] good to be true it usually is'"

OK, so why did he abandon that fine principle in THIS case? What about small plastic patches containing glycerine and molasses that magically restore energy to humans in defiance of the known laws of physics ISN'T "too good to be true?"
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 | 06:37 AM
CMG

Clarification:

"I always say to my guys 'If it looks to [sic] good to be true it usually is'"

These were the words of Phil Maynard, Director of the rugy team where Reece Spee is a player.

Phil knows it's a crock of ****

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 | 06:55 AM
Further thoughts from Ralph McCutcheon:

"I am used to using the Placebo Effect, and make allowances for it in all my treatments. It accounts for upwards of 1/3 of health improvements. So when I use a product I automatically look for results beyond placebo. I started using the patches with a skeptical mind, but became convinced that they did indeed have 'something' other than amino acids and sugars."

"I use some homeopathy, which attracts the same criticisms as Lifewave patches. It is very hard indeed for a conventional scientist to believe that the vibrational pattern of a remedy can have a constitutional effect, but the idea has stood the test of time and is the therapy of choice for millions"

"I had a Digital Thermal Imaging thermograph done of my back, which showed my painful left neck at 3 degrees hotter than the surrounding tissue. With in ten minutes of applying a patch, the camera showed it back to normal. Surely that cannot be wishful thinking? The camera operator immediately signed up with Lifewave..."

"So I still believe David Schmidt's claim that he has used nanotechnology to make a 'molecular antenna'."

"Various electronic biofeedback devices such as the STA 1000 and the SCIO also illustrate the changes that occur. Again, this technology is criticised by many, but I do find it useful provided it is used for clinical 'signposting' and not a definitive laboratory test."

"...at the end of the day science, as we know it, is always a few steps behind reality."

So there we have it. However, I continue to ask the question. HAVE WHAT?

What do we have?

To date NO ONE has demonstrated what we have. There are plenty of WORDS. LifeWave is now on its 3rd website. It's notable that Schmidt continues to refer to:

"Clinical result: Increase in stamina of over 20% in the first use,in double blind university studies." (Remember the good old days when that was 40%?)

By now, most readers are aware of the fake "studies" at Morehouse College and Troy University, conducted by LifeWave distributors. We also know that both institutions issued cease and desist orders. LifeWave cleverly does not include the names of the "Universities" on the website.

The game of WORDS continues with no SUBSTANCE to back up even one claim.

The sorry saga continues...

Dave
EDH UK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 | 07:21 AM
LifeWave Website #3

http://lifewave.com/IceWaveResearch.asp

"See the proof for yourself"

"Take a look at the actual before and after pictures to the right and notice how the reduction of "hot spots" is clearly evident. This local thermal effect means that excess heat is reduced to in an injured area and what follows is reduced pain, reduced soreness, and restoration of range of motion to the specific injured site."

This reincarnation of the LifeWave idea is full of typos, missing photos, errors of all kinds.

"Pictures to the right" Where?

Let's briefly remind ourselves about the injury process. Injury occurs...pain, inflamation, heat, signs that something is wrong.

LifeWave solution...Put a patch on it so that you can then ignore the injury and go back to what you were doing before.

SIMPLE! Is it SAFE?

Case in question.

Achilles tendon injury.

http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp09009.htm

Achilles tendonitis: "...causes the tendon to become swollen, painful and less flexibility than the normal tendon."

" Untreated, this injury may fail to heal, or progress to a chronically painful condition. Of course, in some people, the tear may progress to a complete rupture of the tendon."

"Rupture of the tendon"...sounds bad!

"With the injury, pain, swelling, and loss of function occur. Since the calf muscle is no longer attached to the heel bone, people find it difficult to walk normally, and have difficulty doing activities that require any type of significant push off with their toes (such as running, jumping, doing toe raises). Left untreated, the tendon often fails to heal, thereby resulting in a permanent disability."

So, if I understand LifeWave correctly, I apply a patch to the site of the injury and..." what follows is reduced pain, reduced soreness, and restoration of range of motion to the specific injured site."

Does that mean that if I had achilles tendonitis I could now continue to abuse the tendon in the way that injured it in the first place and go on to risk rupturing the tendon?

Anybody?

Dave
EDH UK
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 | 07:12 PM
Ugh! Tendonitis is the worst. I had that in my right hand and managed to re-injure it a few weeks after the original injury. It's now been 5 months and it still bothers me.

I can attest that if you don't follow the doctor's directions to keep it in a splint and take anti-inflamatories (or whatever else they tell you) you will re-injure it, patch or no patch.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 | 08:13 PM
Razela

My point is that, say in the case of achilles tendon injury, you had applied a patch and the pain, swelling and heat went away, as claimed by Lifewave LLC, and your range of motion was returned to normal, you could then have ruptured the tendon by further exertion.

An incredibly stupid thing to do.

That point is of NO interest to DS. He wants to make MONEY and as much of it as possible before being shut down as the scammer he is.

The Lifewave website (version #3) hilariously states:

"LifeWave is committed to enriching the lives of people throughout the world through both products that enhance their overall health and well being and the opportunity to enhance their financial position."

Enhance whose financial position?

Duh!

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 | 09:58 PM
Freshman LifeWaver Logic

A few choice words from one of the freshman group.

"...it's not important to me if there is no M.D., swimming team or alpine skier. The patches are working for my wife, a friend, her cat and
me. Placebo effect? If the patches are working that doesn't matter, and I don't think that cats are subject to placebo effect."

So it's all real after all, right?
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 | 10:26 AM
Slowly but surely EDHUK will become LifeWave believer, and start wearing patches.
Who in the right mind want to stick forever to two bit comedian Burtis, who don't have pot to piss in, don't know Manmade Law, and Law of Nature, that says " Only the Strong survive "
But I feel you dawg, whatever you feel, I'm with it.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 | 12:28 PM
Peter

Time you stopped using that stuff. It's frying your brain cells.

Don't you feel it?

Dave
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 | 02:31 PM
Funny, I was just thinking I wanted to start using whatever Peter's on...
I'm not too into being incomprehensible, but I could use some altered reality every now and then...
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 | 04:34 PM
The only reason why I've said EDHUK is crossing over
is because His latest posts, that are strong endorsment for LifeWave. Sooner or later He will
realise that LifeWave is FREE for those who don't like it, and it cost $$ only for those who do.
That's why very few companies offer 100% money back
guarantee. Buy a monthly package, try 3 sets of patches (that are retailed 19.95%), if you don't
like them, send rest of the Package back, and Lifewave will GIVE YOUR MONEY BACK TO YOU.
Now, how dumb can be to call that kind of deal
scam ?
Why exactly are my brain cells fried ?
There are still chances that EDHUK might one day
wake up and decide to take opportunity to try LifeWave for free.
Or can you please explain why is BB anything more than week ass comedian ?
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 | 04:58 PM
And you my dude from south cali, have so many hallucinogens to choose from where you live, to alter your reality, there is no need to be concerned
how did I get where my reality is.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 | 09:28 PM
Peter,

"His latest posts, that are strong endorsment for LifeWave."

Sorry my friend..wrong.

You grasp of English is very good, but not good enough to comprehend the subtleties of some of my posts.

LifeWave LLC continues to sell its worthless scam products to gullible people just like you.

People who live on a different mental plane. You'd best get your seatbelt tightened, you are in for a very bumpy landing!

Reality is ahead.

Duh
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 | 12:04 AM
EDHUK, I was joking about endorsment, just a bit surprised that you're posting testimonies in wich
people talking about simple reason that made them purchase LifeWave. They like it.
Look around you, there is millions of highly educated people buying ILLEGAL products that are scam, that authorities in most countries call
Narcotics.
And that's what I was trying to point out all this
time, Let all the people who like LEGAL products such as LifeWave have their freedom.
Knock yourself out educating masses about Placebo effect, but let those who are not interested in
what you have to say live their life, without being called names by you. Do you have that much decency in you ?
And again, do you care to explain how can
100% money back guarantee product be called scam ?
I would love to find that one out, maybe if you compare it to any other products on the market that is 100% scam, being 100% stisfaction guarantee.
I don't mind a bit you wanting to see me getting hurt, It is simple display of your personality, nothing more.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 | 12:15 AM
Peter, EDHUK isn't going to you, you're coming to him.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 | 02:12 AM
Oh, OK, EDHUK, I gotcha now. "If it looks too good to be true, it probably is" may seem a bit simplistic but I think it's a good principle to keep in mind. It's almost like a corollary to Occam's Razor, isn't it?
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 | 04:20 AM
" Peter, EDHUK isn't going to you, you're coming to him."

There you go, I told you, and I knew, you gonna score that Acid in no time. Be careful with that stuff.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 | 07:54 AM
Peter

"And again, do you care to explain how can
100% money back guarantee product be called scam?"

Does your statement mean that you believe if a 100% money back guarantee is offered, the company is somehow magically legitimate?

You have totally lost me there with your simplistic reasoning. The two issues have nothing to do with each other.

Money back guarantees are common, but do not, in themselves, bestow legitimacy to a product or service.

The guarantee is utilized to give confidence to people just like you to purchase the product...and that's what you did. You sent your money, and you continue to do so, to David Schmidt. DS thanks all his flock for continuing to help him maintain his lifestyle in California.

If you send your patches back, and receive a refund, how does that prove that the patches were legitimate in the first place?

It obviously (to anyone else except you) does not.

We are talking logic here, Peter, but logic does not fit in to your simplistic view of the world.

"I don't mind a bit you wanting to see me getting hurt.."

I have consistently posted on this forum since July 2005 in an attempt to warn people about this obvious scam. You included! I have no desire to see you hurt, just the opposite.

All you can see is that there are people on this forum who are attempting to take away you source of income, and that makes you very angry. Your past rantings on this forum have demonstrated that.

Forget the money back guarantee.

Please demonstrate to the world how the patch technology works.

Stating that you get results and that's all that counts is not an answer. Hence me posting current user's reasoning. They feel something and then assume it's from the patches.

Regards,
Dave
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 | 11:39 PM
So, Peter, are you suggesting that EDHUK is following you to other forums and "hurting" you?

And the last time I even saw acid was probably before you were born, so thanks for the concern, but I know all about being careful with it.
Frank
Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 | 06:49 PM
Hey gang,

I see everyone's been busy spouting.

Can someone tell me why FDA has approved these patches as Class 1 medical device? Can some one tell me wht NCAA has approved Ice Wave for use by member colleges in hot/ice circumstances? Can someone tell me why the retired 3 star general Teddy Allen is quietly making huge inroads into armed forces? I know the gov't is screwed up... but...

I am getting antsy myself as to published studies. It IS time to see some more actually published. I agree on DS's new skin care gal... doesn't know didly about skin care.

Does anyone know why most the entire original corp team is gone? Other than hearsay? Incompetence can be one thing, Mike Collins building his own team is another.

What do you all think of Mike Collins. Seems like a good guy. Hard to imagine he'd want to jump into a scam.

What do you think of Glutathione patch and measurable increase in that antioxidant in the blood stream and increase in metals in urine (detox). I know I know... let's see the studies, actual data... but what if true?

I'm full speed ahead on multiple fronts with the company... if I am being scammed it will be a sorry day if that becomes a fact. Have no reason to believe it now. Despite all you've said. Personal use in my family and others in my sphere have been quite satisfying. Not making money. Not trying. Biding time.

You all take care now.

I'l look back in in about a month.

Frank
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 | 07:06 PM
For f#!@'s sake Frank. Read the whole thread. Your questions have been dealt with many times.

We really need a FAQ for this thread. Then we can just tell people like Frank to see question numbers 57, 129, 265 and 374. It will save a lot of time and database memory.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 | 11:36 PM
EDHUK, you denying yourself, first you saying I am
Schmidts accomplice, and I'll "Go down" with Him, then you say " I have no desire to see you hurt " ?
You've said LifeWave is " all about money ", than when they implemented 100% satisfaction guarantee,
you're saying " I don't care about free samples, LifeWave is a Scam regardless "
This all is still very much like story about Japanese soldiers hiding in caves decades after
WWII ended.
I've never told you to stop what you doing, if It makes you feels good it's great, but let me do
what I love doing, with same courtesy.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 | 11:45 PM
Captain Al, can you tell me how much time and database would be saved if this tread was never started ?

And why do you like telling other people what to do,
can you just tell them what you have to say, and let their free will do the rest ?
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 | 12:16 AM
hcmomof4,
" So, Peter, are you suggesting that EDHUK is following you to other forums and "hurting" you? "
Hell No,
EDHUK is free to do whatever HE feels doing, I've just questioned certain levels of His MO as being wrong and He is not hurting me @all.

To me He is like Robin, if we imagine, for a moment,
Burtis being Batman.

" but I know all about being careful with it. "
Can you just clarify this, please.
What does exactly mean " You know all about being
careful " ?
How many times did you drop Acid, how many flashbacks did you have ?
Just being curious from what level are you
" All knowing " ?
Is it the same feel like, " You know " LifeWave is
a scam.
Is there a difference between " I know " and " I believe " from your point of view ?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 | 12:29 AM
Yep. I know that there have not been any published studies proving that LifeWave patches work. I believe this indicates they probably don't.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 | 12:32 AM
And I never claimed to be all knowing. I claimed to know all about being careful about dropping acid. I tried it once. It was very effective. I didn't like it. I've never had a flashback, but that could be because I didn't take enough to have any lasting effects. Thank God. If I hated it the first time around, left-overs would probably be worse.
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