MOH Forum: LifeWave Energy Patches

LifeWave Energy Patches

Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005

Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!

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Solly	Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 \| 01:07 AM I had a brilliant idea to finally test those damn patches. Apart from hounding scamsters my other target is arseholes who kill defenceless animals and show no respect for the environment. My idea is when we are out on the open seas confronting the whalers why not try tagging the whales with a patch and see if the harpoon bounces off. If all their wild theories are correct well the whales should be safe and unharmed. There is no point trying to cover the whales with life wave skin cream because it would only wash off. The patches should have no problem sticking. I know sounds stupid doesn't it but so does claims of the patches inventor.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 \| 11:41 AM mark in tx "jeez.....you people still discussing this stupid sht. There is nothing in it to have any kind of reaction. The idea is good but it is not possible." The problem is that David Schmidt and LifeWave LLC continue to sell their fairy dust in its various forms and some people get conned. Sure it sounds crazy that even one person could fall for it, but through continuing contact with good people around the country, I can tell you there are still firm "believers" in the "power" of the patches. These staunch believers pay a nodding acknowledgement to the new research on placebos, but cannot make the giant mental leap to applying the placebo effect to themselves. So I guess I'll keep posting. Cheers, Dave EDH UK
Solly	Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 \| 05:06 PM Dave, Your reply to Mark in tx, I couldn't have put it any better. Even if we save one person from being conned then it has been worth it. An added bonus would be to see the scamsters spend the next 20 years behind bars. Can you imagine the scene if that happened, I don't think the patches would offer much protection from the inmates advances if you get what I mean.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 \| 09:57 PM " I don't think the patches would offer much protection from the inmates advances if you get what I mean." That depends on where you put them.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 \| 07:34 AM Captain Al, "That depends on where you put them." I presume you're referring to the ability of the patches to cause anti-clockwise rotational forces! Dave :o)
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 \| 09:27 AM Yeah, something like that Dave! Also, if they had problems with the 3M adhesive before, it's going to be a lot more of a problem now.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 \| 10:21 AM Captain Al "...if they had problems with the 3M adhesive before, it's going to be a lot more of a problem now." There will probably be plenty of willing "hands" to help! Enjoy your day. Dave ;o)
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 \| 06:34 PM Dave, we could get a lot of mileage out of this one but for the sake of public decency, we should stop here. :zip:
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 \| 07:00 PM Captain Al 10-4 Another week begins for the LifeWave family. More money for nothing. Dave
explorer1 Member	Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 \| 06:12 PM Just so you don't have to talk about inmates any further...... "We wanted to let you know about a rare opportunity to hear an IN-DEPTH 45-minute interview with our Founder David Schmidt. The interview was done by Dr. David Kamnitzer and will air on the 7th Wave Radio Network at http://www.7thwavenetwork.com on Thursday, June 15th from 1:00pm to 2:00pm Pacific time. This will be an excellent overview about LifeWave, as well as touch on the new Skin Care system. The show will re-air 12 hours later, and then be archived on the internet, so you can listen to it at your convenience and share it with others. The show David will be on is called Emerging Breakthroughs...How fitting!"
explorer1 Member	Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 \| 06:19 PM And just as I signed off, this came thru today. Anyone up to going to Irvine and asking the important questions ? LifeWave Founder and CEO David Schmidt and President Mike Collins will begin the launch at 9:00 am, Saturday, July 15, Irvine, California. The Product intro and training will go until Noon. Senior Distributor Leaders will be there to help with any questions and additonal team building training. All Distributors and Guests are welcome at no charge to learn about this revolutionary new Skin Care System. This will be a major LifeWave product over the years to come so get the training first hand and get your team started off right! Below is complete information: (*All Distributors and Guest are Welcome) Date: Saturday, July 15 Time: 9:00am to Noon - Team Building Training 1:30 to 3:00 Chuck Michel & Rob Styler Place: Irvine Hyatt Regency (949-975-1234) 17900 Jamboree Blvd. Irvine, Calif
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 \| 06:49 PM Is that training on how the Skin Care System works, or training how to avoid difficult questions about how the Skin Care System works? Actually, Irvine is only about 45 min. from me...
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 \| 07:07 PM Explorer1 "The interview was done by Dr. David Kamnitzer" Ah yes, the good, totally unbiased, Dr. Kamnitzer! We might want to take a look at the following. http://www.worldtalkradio.com/archive.asp?aid=2336 Hoax forum Page down to: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P380/ Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 \| 09:21 PM An early look at some of the many activities scheduled for the National Convention Page down this hoax forum http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P1840/ Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 \| 04:02 PM Update on Dr. Gruenwald and the Life Wave Healthcare Professionals Forum __________________________________ Bob Burtis post from the WWSN http://friendsinbusiness.com/board1/archive2/index.cgi?read=98710 I respectfully suggest that it would be very difficult to make a case that Dr Kamnitzer is an unbiased third party who is going to give "Dr." Schmidt the "in depth" grilling he so rightly deserves. This will be a "showcase" mutual ego/scam massaging session. (In my humble opinion). If it wasn't all so funny, I really would cry. Cheers, Dave EDH UK * ps Has anyone been keeping up with the wonderful, totally unbiased, interviews with Kevin Trudeau on TV. I thought not. You can do just about ANYTHING with money. $$
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 \| 08:37 PM Remember this guy? http://www.naturalcures.com/?gclid=CIXH-pTZxoUCFRUENAodvgLPqA He's been interviewed till the cows come home. On the TV all the time. http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/trudeau.html Just like the energizer bunny. It's extremely easy to have radio/web tv interviews that appear to bring credibility to a product. David Schmidt, I'm quite sure, will be another energizer bunny. We'll be seeing more of him in years to come. Different product, same bold outlandish claims. The great inventor. It will always catch out people who are not aware of what went on in previous years/previous companies. The gullible are always easy prey. *
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 \| 07:58 PM 1. LifeWave
amanda	Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 \| 08:50 AM To the ppl who are so hell bent on that they dont work..why do u care so much? leave it to those who want to use them and mind your own business...u do your thing and let them do theirs...it seems to me, the ones using the patches seem alright whereas the ppl who have been continously complaining for the past 6 months or more that they just dont work are the ones losing thei rminds...getting all angry and debateful..get over it..or move on...so far ppl are still buying them and placebo or not, if the outcome is good for so many ppl then id just let them be..hoax or no hoax.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 \| 12:38 PM amanda in Australia "...if the outcome is good for so many ppl then id just let them be..hoax or no hoax." Australian for "Don't spoil our chance to make money from this scam." Duh.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 \| 01:31 PM amanda http://www.teamoz.com/ By the way, the energy patches are NOT new. It's all OLD HAT over here in the USA. Get up to speed why don't you. Skin care. That's where "Dr." Schmidt is taking you now. Also, the quote about University studies is BOGUS. Try READING this forum. You know how to read don't you? Duh.
HOUKED	Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 \| 06:29 AM I imagine everyone in the States is allowed to give their opinion but it sure would be wonderful if it was an educated one rather than simply quoting someone who is ignorant himself. The good Dr H gave demerol to a patient that was having so much pain that it was unbearable and all the other MD chaps decided he was not worth the effort to see if they could relieve the pain and the good Dr H could not bear to see this go on so he did prescribe this IV med. Unfortunately the whole story is not told as this chap that was suffering was found soon afterwards to have a brain tumor yet this fact was ignored by those who choose to ridicule this MD. I am a bit amused at you chaps who portray yourselves as "experts" that understand the fallacy of this "technology" yet in reality, you are as blind as bats and seem to believe that the answer in medicine is drugs. It might be good if you really understood the technology involved and not simply follow the crowd that has not examined these things for themselves. Just the dramatic effects that these patches have on animals should be a real eye-opener to you unless of course you believe that the placebo effect occurs with horses and other exotics. I hope you do not fall off the edge of the earth with your dinosaur mentality. Houked
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 \| 07:18 AM HOUKED in London UK ALL of your points have already been covered in this forum. Please make some NEW arguments for discussion. "It might be good if you really understood the technology involved" Please explain in detail, with full bona fide supporting evidence, the "technology" involved. The USA waits with baited breath to be educated by someone who is ignorant of the human induced placebo effect in animals. EDH UK
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 \| 08:23 AM http://www.salon.com/health/feature/1999/07/15/nocebo/index.html http://psychjourney_blogs.typepad.com/monica_pignotti_/2005/04/thought_field_t.html http://www.angelfire.com/hi/TheSeer/placebo.html yada yada yada *
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 \| 05:49 PM I'm a bit confused. The defender of Dr. H claims that what Dr. H did wrong was give someone a "western" drug, but that it was good that he did, but that everyone here with an issue with LW patches is bad for thinking "western" drugs are good. So Dr. H was right for using drugs, but everyone else is wrong?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 \| 06:39 PM Houked said: "It might be good if you really understood the technology involved and not simply follow the crowd that has not examined these things for themselves. Just the dramatic effects that these patches have on animals should be a real eye-opener to you unless of course you believe that the placebo effect occurs with horses and other exotics." While I don't actually know the other skeptics on this board personally, I think I can explain how we feel about LifeWave. Basically, the bottom line is that they defy the known laws of physics. As far as science can determine, there is NO way they can do what is claimed for them. If you are disagreeing with us on that point, I think it's fair to infer that you believe you understand how they work. Please explain that to us so we can improve our understanding of our physical universe. As for your point about LifeWave allegedly working on animals, that has been addressed at length in this thread. Please read that material before you continue with that argument. Thanks.
Joel Member	Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 \| 12:50 PM HOUKED wrote: "It might be good if you really understood the technology involved." HOUKED, Please do explain this technology to us. We've been trying for so long to get someone to present some kind of an explanation that makes some sense. Is the technology what David Schmidt said it is in his patent applications, or something quite different? As for the good Dr. Haltiwanger, why should we believe you? Who are you, and how do you know this supposed information? But whether Dr. Haltiwanger he had his license to prescribe controlled substances revoked for good reasons, or whether he placed his license on the line to try to help someone in terrible pain (which would be admirable I agree), does not change whether the patches work. By the way, Dr. Haltiwanger's previous employer according to his C.V., Tru-Light Corporation ("TLC"), was selling a product described in Desist and Refrain Order issued against it as follows: Beginning in 1999 and continuing thereafter, [David] Barth and [Mellon-Thomas] Benedict represented TLC to be an early stage technology company that "has developed a new paradigm in anti-aging and regeneration technology that can slow down the aging process to a crawl and reverse many of its negative effects." Barth and Benedict informed investors that TLC's technology could "'super-boost' the body's immune system" and was based on "phototherapy, energy medicine and molecular and quantum biology." Barth and Benedict represented that TLC has products ready for shipment, signed customer commitments and proprietary technology. http://www.corp.ca.gov/enf/info/dr/03pdf/TLC.pdf Do you understand the technology that Tru-Light Corporation was trying to sell to investors, as well as the technoology behind the LifeWave patches? If so, please explain TLC's technology, because Barth and Benedict seemed to have been unable to bring it to market, and it would be at least as big a boon to mankind as the LifeWave Energy Patches, if they have any real effect other than the placebo effect. We await with baited breath your vastly superior knowledge and teachings.
Bill Nott	Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 \| 07:17 PM well... i see you all are still hard at it... lolol.... I hope you all are having a great summer.... The summer here in Alaska thus far as been fantastic.......
Cranky Media Guy Member	Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 \| 01:14 AM Bill Nott said: "well... i see you all are still hard at it... lolol...." We don't give up easily, Bill.
jimbo	Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 \| 09:57 AM The 16 plus studies done and many more coming by practicing professionals. All scams? The elite athletes using... all scams or scammed? The name brand celebs enjoying benefits and telling others... all scamers or scammees.
frank	Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 \| 10:43 AM I look at this site from time to time and man o man... the arrogance of the Lifewave debunkers ... whew. Here's a rant: I was talking to someone who attended a dinner with a an author celeb a month ago and Schmidt, Haltiwanger and others were there along with celeb's husband and president of her $100 million company... and they are deep in conversation about some intriguing synergies. Makes you wonder that Schmidt and Haltiwanger must indeed be brilliant and amazingly duplicitous to be able to fool EVERYONE... that every person who "thinks" or "knows" Lifewave works must be an idiot... that the experiences I have witnessed myself are all placebo driven every day every time... that 100% of the anecdotal evidence and clinical studies done are ALL hoaxes. I have read this thread and it is obvious there are some very articulate people reading this. And deceitful ones as well. What are your reactions to the studies? Of course you've read them. The depth of your knowledge of this "scam" certainly means you've read all. And don't say "what studies?" Someone here is a member grabbing all the corporate announcements and posting them. Someone else or the same person is lifting postings from people's blogs and dropping them in here as if they were posted to this thread on purpose... but they were not. Full disclosure from you guys? yeh right. What rules? Truth? Yeh that's you guys... the truth patrol. If only the tens of thousands of Lifewave lemmings across the globe would listen to this handful of jerkoffs who "know" everything and can refute it all. Mass stupidity vs. the few smart all-knowing ones. Al Gore is your hero right? You probably think global warming is caused by humans. I love the one... "physically impossible to do what Lifewave claims. And here's the proof...." Gotta remember: Figures don't lie but liers figure. And manipulate. And misrepresent. (You'll say yeh... Schmidt leads the pack... no... you lead the pack) Flight is impossible. 4:00 mile impossible. Microscopic chips impossible. Aspirin is impossible. Lifewave is impossible. Right.
Joel Member	Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 \| 12:26 PM Frank and Jimbo have a point. Large numbers of people CAN'T be fooled. The dinosaur naysayers simply didn't understand, for example, the moth ball gas pill technology, or the business genius of Enron or Charles Ponzi. Frank, are you willing to take the challenge I've issued here to others (with no takers): See if you can tell the difference between new LifeWave patches and "used" ones only by the effect they have on you by having them taped to you, without you being able to see which is which. If you can't tell which is which merely by the difference in effects they have on you, at least you'll know that you and your customers never have to buy any more patches again. It's a simple test that could reveal some incredibly valuable information. Let us know how it turns out, will you?
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 \| 01:53 PM This is beginning to sound like a broken record. "Schmidt and Haltiwanger must indeed be brilliant and amazingly duplicitous to be able to fool EVERYONE..." So who was the "celebrity"? Maybe you don't know because it is only a story spread by Lifewave to keep the peons interested. And maybe this alleged celeb was not fooled by Schmidt & co. Maybe they just saw what a great scam this is and the potential to make some easy cash from suckers. People with $100 million companies tend to be interested in such things. "that every person who "thinks" or "knows" Lifewave works must be an idiot... " Yes. Except for those who don't care because they make lots of money from it. Anyone who went to grade school should know enough science to realize Lifewave is BS. That is why we doubters can be so "arrogant" about Lifewave. It really doesn't take much scientific aptitude to judge it. "And don't say "what studies?" We've been waiting over a year for these promised studies to come out. If they have, what respectable peer-reviewed journals were they published in and when? What were the reactions and opinions of their scientific peers? Were others able to reproduce the same results? "Flight is impossible. 4:00 mile impossible. Microscopic chips impossible. Aspirin is impossible. Lifewave is impossible. Right" Who ever said microchips were impossible? Who ever said aspirin was impossible? The 4 minute mile was claimed by some to be impossible but were they fully aware of the potential of the human body when they stated this? Obviously not. It is probably impossible for you and me but not some one-in-a-million genetic freak. But I think we can safely say we know what the potential of a glucose and glycerin patch is and that it's not to going to be able to form a radio transmitter that sends messages to the body's cells especially when those cells have no way of receiving and using that information. Just because some things once thought impossible were eventually done does not automatically mean Lifewave's claims are true. Sorry, selective reasoning and proof by association just doesn't cut it. You are forgetting all the things once thought impossible that are still impossible. Flight, aspirin, microchips and the four minute mile were actually done and PROVEN. We still await even the slightest bit of proof from Lifewave. As we have stated many times in this thread, personal anecdotal evidence is worthless. If Lifewave were for real, the whole scientific community would know it by now. In fact, Lifewave seems to be deliberately staying below the radar of the legitimate scientific community so as not to attract too much attention. Don't want the real scientists telling everyone it's a scam, do we now?
Joel Member	Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 \| 04:37 PM Well, if HOUKED says that an unnamed celebrity is in bed with David Schmidt, then who knows better about cutting edge technologies than celebrities, right? For a story involving actor Will Smith being scammed by a supposed technology entrepreneur and inventor but who, as it turned out, was a convicted fraudster on the lam from his first fraud conviction, go to http://www.thestandard.com/article/0,1902,16309,00.html?body_page=6. For some reason, page 1 of this story is not coming up, but you can read the other pages.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 \| 05:35 PM Posted By: Fawkes Feb 24, 2005 Well, your original post, 140 pages ago certainly sparked off a lively debate. A debate that seems just as heated today as in February 2005. LifeWave is in the process of trying to squeeze some cash out of the Aussies. A few of the Australian connection have posted the usual statements that appeared here last year. They are some months behind the learning curve. The sales pitch talks about the revolutionary energy patch technology that has been reported in EVERY newspaper and been all across the TV channels in the USA! Really. Did I miss something? Consider my point posted way back. If David Schmidt had truly rewritten the laws of physics and come up with a genuine energy patch system, wouldn't it be everywhere by now? Wouldn't his name be as familiar as Bill Gates? How come when I ask everyone I know in my private and professional life about LifeWave LLC and the energy patches they say "Who? and What?" "Never heard of them" I am told time and time again. "What kind of moron would fall for that kind of cr*?" So I guess this scam will continue its course as ably outlined by people like WWSN and CMG and many others who have followed previous scams to conclusion. It would be so refreshing to read something other than the usual "rant" from Frank. Sorry that we are messing with your ability to make some money from a scam. It's just that if I (we) can affect your ability to do so in the smallest of ways, I get to feel so darned warm inside. Get to it LifeWavers, the DS office out West has a ridiculous monthly rent and he needs your cash, now! Dave EDH UK
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 \| 05:39 PM This link seems timely. http://www.paulstips.com/brainbox/pt/home.nsf/link/30052006-The-easiest-way-to-fool-smart-people "Most smart people have a hidden weakness and it
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 \| 07:08 PM jimbo said: "The 16 plus studies done and many more coming by practicing professionals. All scams? The elite athletes using... all scams or scammed? The name brand celebs enjoying benefits and telling others... all scamers or scammees." Funny thing, Jimbo: we keep asking for the "studies" that have supposedly been done, we keep asking for the NAMES of the "elite athletes" who use LifeWave. Yeah, we keep ASKING but we don't GET. OK, since you "know" who these athletes are, why don't YOU give us the names? I mean, you're not just pulling that "fact" out of your ass, are you? So, just who are the verifiable athletes who are using your silly little plastic patches? I find it fascinating that you don't actually name any of the athletes so that we can verify if they actually use the patches. If I knew something like that, I'd certainly name names so it wouldn't look like I was just spreading manure.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 \| 07:15 PM Frank said: "Someone here is a member grabbing all the corporate announcements and posting them." That's true. So what? "Al Gore is your hero right? You probably think global warming is caused by humans." Personally, I don't really care what Al Gore thinks. I DO, however, care what climatologist all around the planet think. Al Gore is just in a position to bring attention to their conclusions. "I love the one..."physically impossible to do what Lifewave claims. And here's the proof...." Gotta remember: Figures don't lie but liers figure. And manipulate. And misrepresent." Do you know differently? Please present the PROOF that small plastic patches filled with inert liquids can increase the energy in the human body to which they are glued. If you can do that, not only would you be more than entitled to the JREF Million Dollar Challenge prize, you would be perhaps the greatest benefactor to science in the past hundred years. "Flight is impossible. 4:00 mile impossible. Microscopic chips impossible. Aspirin is impossible. Lifewave is impossible. Right." Here, like many people who choose to believe in the ridiculous, you employ bad reasoning. The fact that something, somewhere was considered impossible by someone does NOT prove that your particular pet theory is true. Try this: "Flight is impossible. 4:00 mile impossible. Microscopic chips impossible. Aspirin is impossible. Me flying under my own power without wires or external propulsion of any kind is impossible. Right." Using your "logic," you MUST agree that I can fly.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 \| 07:10 PM Just when you think this LifeWave debacle can't possibly get any more insane: "I wanted to let people know that my "Beginner's Guide to Using Lifewave Patches in Horses" is now available on my website. Go to http://www.drderock.com then to "Order Now" button. Hope everyone enjoys it. Dr. Lauren "If you do the things that YOU can do, you will find THE WAY and THE WAY will follow you." The Tao of Pooh "There is a totally new technology available now to help balance your horse's system, without any drugs or substances entering the body. This is nanotechnology, working with atoms. Through resonance, or frequency modulation, there is a way of affecting the body's energy field to give signals to perform certain functions." Ah yes, the great horse study is now paying big dividends. Transfer Factor: "4Life Research came out with a product line 6 years ago which has changed the lives of so many people and animals for the better." How will this poor lady EVER regain any shred of respectibility (presuming she ever had any to start with)? "I'M VERY EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT "THE BEGINNER'S GUIDE TO USING LIFEWAVE PATCHES IN HORSES" IS NOW AVAILABLE" ORDER NOW Are you all excited? Please, someone, end this utter madness soon. Pretty please with bells on! Dave EDH UK *
Joel Member	Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 \| 01:54 PM Five days since HOUKED spouted personal insults at people for not understanding the alleged technology of the patches, but when asked to explain the technology, all we get is radio silence from him. What a terrible disappointment HOUKED has turned out to be. As for Dr. Lauren DeRock's further travels into gullibility and absurdity, one can only shake one's head and wonder.
Denver Lifewaver	Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 \| 10:23 PM To Frank in Glendale and Jimbo in LA: This is Denver Lifewaver. You want to know who shared the corporate announcements and posted the Lifewave propaganda from the blogs? Well look no further, because my hand is up. It was I, what are you going to do about it? Nothing because you are a dumb puppet sheep who would be violated and belong to some stronger male, if we were not in a civilized society. Here are some facts that I do know for sure as of the last day in June 2006. The Lifewave Company is not growing nearly as fast as it was this time last year. I know for sure that several of the largest down-lines and their leaders have abandoned ship for greener pastures because of the lack of legitimate independent research and a greedy corporate slanted compensation plan. All of your static babble (and that is all it is) taking up space on this board is a non-issue. MORE DISTRIBUTORS ARE GIVING UP AND LEAVING LIFEWAVE THEN THE COMPANY CAN SIGN UP. DELUDE YOURSELF ALL YOU WANT, BUT THIS FACT IS IRREFUTABLE.
Denver Lifewaver	Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 \| 10:42 PM To Frank in Glendale, Sorry, I forgot to tell you, you are absolutely wrong as on today June 30th 2006 that there are tens of thousands of Lifewave users. That was accurate last year 2005, but not now. You are completely wrong about that statement. If you are going to make statements be ready to back them up. Don
solly	Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 \| 04:26 PM To Amanda in Australia, It appears by your comments that you have been sucked in and are now desperate to get your investment back. Well honey all you have done is made me remember that I still haven't got on to our Feds (the TGA, you should know what that is)to have the scam busted. I must thank you for the reminder which I will take care of first thing Monday morning. What you poor suckers don't realise is that "WORD OF MOUTH",is the best form of advertising. How do most if not all MLM parasites work "WORD OF MOUTH". DUH no brainer honey I think even you can work that out. Just in case you have trouble with what I am pointing out check with an advertising company or look it up on the web, the statistics are there. I could go on and on but it is Sunday as I am writing this and I really have other things to do and tonight I will be writing to the TGA so if I were you honey I would be getting my money back and running in the opposite direction. Your sincere anti scamster, Solly
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 \| 08:14 PM For a little light relief on this lovely week-end: http://www.419eater.com/html/john_boko.htm A scammer gets scammed. Beautiful! Enjoy everyone. Dave EDH UK
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 \| 08:51 PM Now that was a work of art!!
ThermoMagnetic_Man	Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 \| 09:48 PM Along those same lines, I thought this one was hilarious. http://www.geocities.com/jaccountinfo/FrankScam.html
Luc	Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 \| 04:16 AM Max Planck, Theoretical Physicist: "An important scientific (or spiritual) innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and the next generation is familiar with it." There is Science and there is science. There is a small group of people who think they can decide what is truth and what is BS. Time has proven that most things that are believed to be true by the majority of people are BS. The earth was flat, the inventor of the telephone was considered crazy for years before people started to slowly take his invention seriously. I can give a lot of examples like that. The patches are a stimulant that does work. Unfortunately, in the long run they tire the body enormously. They stimulate on a deeper level than most stimulants. They make you tired on a deeper level as well.
Solly	Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 \| 06:02 AM Luc, How dare you use bonafide geniuses to back up what is complete crap. If Max Planck was alive and you presented the patch to him he would not only piss himself laughing in your face but he would also sue you for using his name. There is Science and there is science. There is a small group of people who think they can decide what is truth and what is BS. Where is the grain of truth? There isn't any, it is all BS. The patches don't work so stop finding things to back it up. Or maybe I should put it this way not only for you but all the brainwashed idiots, either put up or shut up because you will only convince us with real hard hitting scientific evidence.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 \| 11:16 AM LUC "The patches are a stimulant that does work. Unfortunately, in the long run they tire the body enormously. They stimulate on a deeper level than most stimulants. They make you tired on a deeper level as well." Thank you for joining in on this little discussion. I hope I can remain civil while I ask you a few questions. 1:Where did you get your information about the energy patches? 2: Are you a distributor? 3: Have you read this entire forum? 4: Which part of the world do you live in? Have a great day. Cheers, Dave EDH UK
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 \| 11:26 AM LUC "There is a small group of people who think they can decide what is truth and what is BS." With great respect, I don't believe it works that way. In any field, when something new comes along, the person with the new idea, widget, invention or whatever, allows the world to look at the new thing; to investigate, replicate, challenge, improve on, negate, or whatever is appropriate. If "Dr" David Schmidt, (2 year business degree, no scientific background) had indeed invented a non-transdermal energy patch, the world would have proclaimed him as a genius. His invention would be a household word. He would be more famous than (------- insert your favorite). The problem is that, after many years, and other failed business attempts, David Schmidt is non of the above. Most people are not aware of his existence. Doesn't that strike you as a little strange? Two more questions for you, and I apologize if they are little personal. How old are you, and what is your educational background? Again, have a great day. Dave EDH UK
ThermoMagnetic_Man	Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 \| 01:59 PM Luc wrote, "There is a small group of people who think they can decide what is truth and what is BS." I'm not sure what you're saying, Luc. Are you saying that people shouldn't perform any investigation and analysis for themselves? Or that they should investigate for themselves, but that they shouldn't reach any conclusions? Or that they can reach conclusions as long as they don't express those conclusions? Or that the only conclusions that should be expressed are those that contain no criticism or doubt of the patches? Actually, I'd love to see independent, well conducted studies of these silly patches by qualified and unbiased professional researchers. The only people who seem to not want those studies conducted are David Schmidt, LifeWave LLC, and its distributors.
Cranky Media Guy Member	Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 \| 01:59 PM Luc said: "Time has proven that most things that are believed to be true by the majority of people are BS. The earth was flat, the inventor of the telephone was considered crazy for years before people started to slowly take his invention seriously. I can give a lot of examples like that." Again, someone employs the same specious "logic" I was talking about recently on this thread. Somebody, somewhere once rejected something which turned out to be right, so therefore the thing currently under discussion must be correct. Sorry, that just doesn't make sense. You can't take the fact that most people once thought that the Earth was flat to "prove" that LifeWave isn't a scam. We found out that the Earth is round through experimentation, observation and testing. Submit your silly little plastic patches to properly conducted scientific testing, PROVE that they work as advertised and not only will you have a legitimate product that will make its distributors rich but you will have turned the world of science on its ear.
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 \| 04:01 PM "There is a small group of people who think they can decide what is truth and what is BS." Well, yeah. And several of them have been here trying very hard to explain to others how to be able to figure it out for themselves. But some people just don't seem to want to know the difference between BS and truth...
Frank	Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 \| 12:35 PM Hey gang. Boy the same tribe of misfits and alledged bright people. I love Dave asking what everyone does, how old they are, do they have a brain... sorry i missed it Dave, what are your credentials? Quantum Physics professor? I am sure your arrogance and glibness is backed up by an illustrious career and major success. Clearly genius level stuff coming from you. I always assume that Denver Lifewaver has access to everything. He lifts all the info from throughout the universe, drops it in here, and is on top of all of it. Denver Lifewaver what are your thoughts on the most recent patch for raising glutathione levels (ostensibly to help in the skin care system). You seem to know everything and have access to everything. How do you like those results from 15 people, 4 days, blood and urine analysis the ONLY measure of eficacy. Let's see... the lab lied, Haltiwanger lied, the participants didn't really give the blood, it wasn't their blood, there was no blood and results are not true. Stay tuned on this one. Blood and urine don't lie. But of course you'll find a way to say it's simply bunk. Someone asked what are the celebs names? Well the ones I am dealing with I won't say... don't need there names dragged through this site. And you'll simply say they're just as stupid as me and everyone else and just part of the scam. Suffice to say you've heard of every one of them. Always skeptical when trying... takes months sometimes to get them in a room to look at and hear the back up... then they say... "I'll be damned" after trying. The horses? The 135 out of 138 horses showing positive results.The vet De Rock? A scam. She's a fool. An idiot. Put her 35 year practice in the dumper with one study that was published last fall and is crashing and burning as we speak right? Nope. Frank is not my real name and I don't live in Glendale, Ca. I look in from time to time on this as a hoot. Someone said that the company is imploding already. Have you been to their corp offices on the ocean at La Jolla? Nice digs. Do you know what is going on with the armed forces? Do you know the nature of the advertising program being developed? What;s happening in Japan? Do you know ANYTHING about what is really happening? Of course not. And you want me to say, huh. Sorry, won't not here. Deeds not words. Ask Denver Lifewaver. He knows everything... or Dave... or well, the tribe. You all take care now. Frank, (Jimbo's alter ego)
Frank	Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 \| 01:29 PM By the way re: the studies. I am sure that all you knowledgable people know how long it takes to write up a study properly, submit it, get feedback (or be rejected), make fixes and then get in to the que to be "publish"... and the time lag to when it actually appears in a journal. I know all you hoaxers know about that. Finished studies aren't published studies. Everything in due time. And I know you hoaxers have sat with David Schmidt and have taken a measure of this guy to know he so full of it, right? Sure. No heresay here, right? As far as "Schmidt should be known by the world already," you're kidding right? With 300 million people in USA alone, the noise of bombardment of enough crap to choke a horse, our naturally skeptical selves, just a couple other things going on in this world... you think it's that easy to break through? Studies have to be published in hi profile journals to get a rise out of main stream media. Your naivette is only exceeded by your stupidity. Give it another year. Some of you are convinced Lifewave will be out of business... "the incredible shrinking scam"... 5000 Japanese distributors not withstanding. By your assessment the Oct conference at that bustout hotel 'Paris'... will be a ghost town. I guess we'll see. Who's going to have the last laugh?... that is the question of the hour. Frank
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 \| 01:58 PM Wow Frank, you're sooooooo smart. So when you were hobnobbing around Lifewave corporate offices did you get a chance to ask David Schmidt how he managed to invent this earth-shattering biotechnology without any scientific training whatsoever? Did you also get to visit his state-of-the-art research facility? Or maybe you didn't even realize that it must exist if all these new products are nothing more than just a phoney patch labeling enterprise.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 \| 03:26 PM LUC Stated: "The patches are a stimulant that does work." Frank, (Jimbo's alter ego) "Frank is not my real name and I don't live in Glendale, Ca. I look in from time to time on this as a hoot." Thank you Frank for your basic assertion that LUC is correct and everyone else is wrong. Simple. Nice to read a post from someone with conviction. (No pun intended). There will be plenty of opportunity to share in the "credit" for the LifeWave success. Dave *
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 \| 03:59 PM http://board.classifieds1000.com/philippines/For_Sale/BeauOxi_White_Plus_Super_L_glutathione_skin_whitening_pill_4_in_1 ?
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 \| 04:15 PM http://www.papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=TWL-00165 http://www.prismmedical.com/loaded61a/product_info.php?products_id=300&osCsid=29d6bbcea417e967e8df9626ede9c895 So is this the stuff Michael Jackson uses?
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 \| 04:25 PM One more: http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/rec.fitness/msg00050.html "Do you need to take a pill from a MLM company? "Dietary glutathione is found in fresh and frozen fruits and vegetables, fish, and meat.26 Asparagus, avocado, and walnuts are particularly rich dietary sources of glutathione." Perhaps Frank can help us make sense of all this confusing information? Or, maybe Jimbo? ?
Joel Member	Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 \| 04:45 PM Hey, Frank/Jimbo, if you've "sat with David Schmidt" and "taken the measure" of him, what did you conclude: Is "Dr." David Schmidt a self-deluded nut job who really believes that he is a doctor of something? Or is he merely garden variety dishonest? And has ANYBODY within Lifewave had the gonads to ask him why he falsely claimed to be a doctor in a government filing? Or are you all too chickenshit to ask, afraid that for your temerity and impertinence you'll get cut off and cut out?
Denver Lifewaver	Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 \| 02:32 AM Frank?Jimbo (whatever) you claim 5000 Japanese distributors? That number is below the bench mark for what the company had hoped to have by now. And that is not going to be enough to make up for the mass defection in the USA that has already occured. That won't keep Lifewave a float that long. Your boy David Schmidt's burn rate on rent along in La Jolla is 20K+ a month. Steve Haltiwagner went from Medical Director to R+D guy? FraJimbo if the company is doing so great, why have so many executives hailed by DS left the company? Keep stroking your self and believe the delusion. It looks like the sleep, pain and Okilani products are " step children" who have quietly been sent to their rooms and all the hoorah is on the skin care system. What is clear to me is that the momentum has died, and great product or not, your worker ants FraJimbo are not getting enough crumbs to feed them selves or their young. Facts are Facts. FraJimbo, you are really doing your down line a disservice spending time on this message board instead of helping them make a few more dollars by peddling this stuff. Shame on you, how do you look at your self in the mirror in the morning? I do admit that you are a PROFESSIONAL LIAR, and that being said; I really don't believe any of the garbage that spews from you. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THE JOKE IS ON YOU! AND YES I AM LAUGHING AT YOU. Got to call'em like I see'em.
ThermoMagnetic_Man	Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 \| 08:03 AM Frank/Jimbo, A celebrity whom you refuse to name? Studies that you refuse to specify? You have no more credibility than does "Dr." David Schmidt. Maybe you can gain some shred of credibility by answering this question: Remember the LifeWave medallions for which "Dr." David Schmidt presented testimonials in his provisional patent application ("My experience with the LifeWave device has been exceptional to say the least. Every time I have worn the medallion I have had significant increases in energy and stamina. Greg C. . . . All testimonials are on file with the author.") If you're so close to David Schmidt, what ever happened to those amazing medallions? Did LifeWave quit selling them because they didn't produce recurring revenue like the patches? Or were the testimonials for the medallions and pendants presented by "Dr." Schmidt merely fabricated lies? I note that "Dr." Schmidt claimed in his provisional patent application that, "LifeWave Products, LLC is a small business with one employee, Dr. David Schmidt." That's pretty good, isn't it? With him being the only person at the company, he still had researched, developed, manufactured, advertised, and marketed a number of products including patches, medallions, pendants, and wrist bands according to that document, and had collected testimonials. And he had obtained a PhD on the side from an unnamed institution, much like your unnamed celebrity and your unspecified studies. "Dr." David Schmidt must be quite the dynamo. Maybe that's why LifeWave has no research facilities or research staff - Dynamo Dr. Schmidt still does it all from his secret laboratory when no is looking.
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