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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Joel
Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 02:04 PM
EDHUK asked: "David Schmidt applied for a Patent and signed it "Dr. David Schmidt". That's illegal isn't it?"

No, it's not illegal.

Deception in seeking a patent could theoretically result in rendering any patent that results unenforceable for "inequitable conduct", but under these circumstances that's not going to happen because DS's false claim to be a doctor will not have influenced the patent examiner in the least bit. The patent examiners are smarter than to issue a patent just because somebody signed his name with some letters after it.

In my estimation, however, any patent that issues from DS's patent applications would probably be hopelessly invalid and/or unenforceable anyway, for failure to fulfill what patent attorneys call the best mode and enablement requirements, and additionally might be invalid due to the 1-year on-sale bar. The "enablement" requirement means that DS must have provided a sufficiently detailed road map/recipe in his patent application to allow others to go make their own energy patches that will be every bit as effective as DS claimed his patches were.

Because the patches are a scam and a hoax and don't actually do anything beyond the placebo effect, the patent applications don't provide the legally required roadmap to efficacy. So even if a patent does issue because the Examiner has no independent way of verifying DS's claimed results and is under enormous pressure to finish with one application and move onto the next one, the patents would never stand up in court - unless, of course, I am mistaken and DS has truly succeeded in rewriting the laws of physics, and the patent applications provide the necessary recipe for others to follow, for which DS has about a snowball's chance in Hades.

The ironic part is that DS thought that by claiming to be "Dr. David Schmit" he would increase his chance of obtaining a patent, but in reality the Patent Office won't give a rat's hiney about his claimed doctorhood. Instead, DS's bumbling and uninformed attempt to pull a fast one on the Patent Office is now public record for everybody to see, thus exposing DS for who he really is. He took a huge hit for claiming to be a doctor and got nothing in return. He would have avoided that fiasco if he had sought competent legal advice before filing his provisional patent application.

All those who believe that DS is the right businessman to lead them, please raise their hands. Nanoman? Jim S?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 02:35 PM
Thanks Joel.

I guess in the early days, seeking legal advice would have cost real dollars. The ? $75 patent application fee was more at DS's level.

Legal advice may have pointed out the DS was out of his tiny brain as well.

Cheers,
Dave
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 02:56 PM
"Studies are coming. Takes time to gather data, peer review, and appear in a journal."

I may be wrong, but wasn't it Nanoman that used almost these same words last year when promising study results on the energy patch? I seem to recall something about the results being a special New Year's gift...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 03:31 PM
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
Member

Good old nanoman and waver etc. (now selling Ethos fuel reformulator and talking just like LifeWave days)

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/1478/

Dave
Nanoman
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 03:32 PM
Page 47 of May issue.

Good things take time to come hcmomof4. Keep waiting patiently.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 03:44 PM
Yep, good things take time. Scams however, pop up quickly...
Solly
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 04:19 PM
Nanoman,
Where have you been? You should be ashamed to let poor pea brained Jim S take all the flak, although I think you brain is even smaller going on the crap you have already mentioned. For example where are the results of the studies by army.
Lots of new studies under way and lots of support from the US army.

Maybe you patches can explain why the donkey riding arseholes in Iraq have managed to kill so many marines. Perhaps the also had them on the helicopters that have been shot down as well.

I just had a brilliant thought you say the patch leaches heavy metals well that would explain the Iraq problem as depleted uraniumis a heavy metal and it is the mainstay of armour piercing shells used by the army.

So it looks as if the patches are leaching the uranium making the shells weak and ineffective against the enemy so our boys end up chopped liver instead of the donkey riders. Sounds like you fruit loops are a danger to national security and should be locked up.

If you really want to prove your products work and shut us up I would suggest you try to get a journal like Science to review and back up what you say. the following is from Wikipedia website

Science is the academic journal of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and is considered one of the world's most prestigious scientific journals. The journal is peer-reviewed, is published weekly, and has a print subscriber base of around 130,000. Because institutional subscriptions and online access serve a larger audience, its estimated readership is one million people

Now just imagine what would happen if such a respected journal gave you the thumbs up overnight you would be rolling in riches beyond your wildest dreams.

So far though from all the arguements that have been put up to support your products it looks as if any dreams you may have will be nightmares.

Before I forget send some cream to the boys in Iraq at least it might protect them from being sunburnt and ending up with skin cancer. After all your cream might work as it is in all probability just another variation of the thousands of skin creams already on the market.
explorer1
Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 06:38 PM
Here is the newest B.S. from David himself :

Dear LifeWave Family Member,

By now you have heard of our exciting new LifeWave Nanotechnology Skin Care System and you are probably just as anxious as I am for the launch of this incredible product on June 15th. With this Skin Care System we are achieving results never before obtainable by creating "Beauty from the inside out" !

How is this possible?

Our revolutionary new patch technology has been proven in clinical studies to elevate your bodies levels of Glutathione, the master antioxidant. What are the benefits ?

- Glutathione protects your body from free radical damage !

- Glutathione helps to support the immune system !

- Glutathione promotes liver detoxification of heavy metals !

- Glutathione supports protein structures in the body !

- And of course, Glutathione improves the clarity of the skin !

Dr. Earl Mindell is quoted as follows regarding Glutathione:

"Glutathione is a substance, the levels of which in our cells are predicative of how long we will live. There are very few other factors which are as predicative of our life expectancy as is our level of cellular Glutathione. Glutathione has been called the master antioxidant and regulates the actions of lesser antioxidants such as Vitamin C and Vitamin E within the body. We literally can not survive without this antioxidant"

We have found in our clinical work enormous increases in Glutathione and liver detox within the first 24 hours of using our LifeWave Skin Care patch. As an example we see 10% to 15% increases in Glutathione levels PLUS 30% to 100% in Liver detox; this equates to 30% to 60% increases in Glutathione levels within the first few days of use !

Now we have an entirely new way of improving health and skin quality as well as a business opportunity in skin care that has never been available before.

See you in Tokyo on the 15th !

Best Regards,

David Schmidt
CEO
explorer1
Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 06:41 PM
and from Mike -

Good evening, Lifewave Distributors! I wanted to take this opportunity to bring you up to date on some great new developments in our business. This is going to be quite a summer!

First, in case you missed it, in last week's edition of Sports Illustrated, there is a full-page picture on page 47 of Sam Cassell, a star member of the LA Clippers, and he's prominently wearing Lifewave patches! It's a beautiful shot!

Also, I want to let you know that we have finished a fantastic new training DVD, which covers many topics you'll find extremely helpful, such as:
- The Lifewave Pay Plan, explained simply for new members of your team
- Patch placement recommendations, demonstrated by one of our leading distributors, who is also a specialist in advanced acupressure therapy
- Business tips by two of our most successful distributors
- An interview with David Schmidt, Lifewave's founder and CEO, who answers all the questions you always wanted to ask
This great new tool will be in the distribution center soon, so look for further notices about that!

And of course, we're fast coming up on the much-anticipated launch of our Lifewave Nano-Technology Skin Care System! We had the opportunity to give a sneak preview of this remarkable and revolutionary new system to those who attended the Calgary Regional Conference just this past weekend, and the feedback was absolutely fantastic. This new product line will give everyone a chance to improve their overall health as well as their skin, and will further separate Lifewave from all other companies. We have something truly unique, truly special. And it's coming on June 15 for Team Leaders! All others will be able to order a little later in the summer, so get ready!

Thanks for your continued support and enthusiasm for our great products, and for our wonderful business opportunity. And by the way--you can look forward to some other really fantastic surprises over the next 5 or 6 weeks--keep watching your website and your emails, and get ready for fun and success!

Mike Collins
President
Lifewave, LLC
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 07:23 PM
Explorer1, thank you for the update and the fodder.

Looks like DS has now touched all the classic BS technobabble bases which are obligatory for modern snake oil salesmen: quantum physics, resonant frequencies, magnetic fields, meridians of energy flow through the body, the latest touchstone nanotechnology, and now that classic surefire BS flag, detoxification.

Who here believes that by placing dopey plastic patches containing honey and glycerine near the body, somebody will suddenly starting urinating out any unhealthily high levels of heavy metals while leaving the correct amounts of those trace elements in the body? Nanoman? Waver? Not-Professor-of-Biophysics-at-Berkeley Betty Rubick? Buehler? Anyone?

Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 09:16 PM
Oh, so it's the 3 week old Sports Illustrated you are refering to. I think I found the reference, page 47 is a picture of Cassell and the Lifewave patch is clearly visable on his leg. It's pretty subtle, I was expecting an article, or at least a mention of Lifewave.

Well, Cassell's wearing it so it much be true. I think I may have to denounce all the mean things I said about lifewave. I mean, how could it not be true if Cassell is wearing one? Then again, other then what I just skimmed over of this article, I don't even know who Sam Cassell is, so maybe I won't have to denounce all I've said anyways.
David B.
Member
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 | 10:18 AM
"Looks like DS has now touched all the classic BS technobabble bases which are obligatory for modern snake oil salesmen: quantum physics, resonant frequencies, magnetic fields, meridians of energy flow through the body, the latest touchstone nanotechnology, and now that classic surefire BS flag, detoxification."

No, he's missed out 'holographic'.
Solly
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 | 04:08 PM
Mike Collins
If you happen to be reading these comments I refer to your ending comments of fun and success. Enjoy it while you can because you won't get much of a chance to when you are behind bars with the rest of the criminal scamsters.

Please don't reply unless you can back up any of your stupid claims with solid scientific reseaarch. And just in case you think we are all stupid any claims and research you might make for your so called creams will only be based on work done by others as your creams will be no different to all the other creams on the market.

A chef once said to me about all these cooking shows,(that are the fad or have been for the past couple of years anyway), you can only cook an egg in so many ways which have all been done so all these cooking shows will not show you any new methods as there are none.

The same thing can be said not only about your creams but also all the others. It the packaging and star endorsements that sell the product.
Solly
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 | 04:31 PM
Nanoman,
Just how thick are you?

oops...heavy metal toxins.

Studies are coming. Takes time to gather data, peer review, and appear in a journal.

First pilot study on urine analysis over a 5 day period of 6 individuals showed 100% of them increased excretion of heavy metal toxins compared to when not wearing patches. Some up to 300% increase in certain metals. Average increase was 30-40%.

Come on if you want us to beleive you have to give more information, like where were the test done, what journal,who were the doctors or scientists conducting the tests? Any scientist worth his credentials will tell you 6 individuals does not make a valid test. Nor does five days, it takes many months of double blind studies to gain statistical data. Any valid researcher reading your claims would piss themselves from laughing.

A lot of results will not appear on LW site as they must be careful not to make any claims.

Stupid or crafty or more like downright dishonest. Of course a lot of results will not appear because if you did the Feds would throw you in jail.


Lots of athletes and celebrities using them. Just will take time to educate on the impact of them. Just like some of you this may be a very difficult and time consuming thing to do!!

How about names of these athletes and celebrities so we can contact them for their individual cmments without being censored by your company. If you are using such people it only goes to show that my comment to Mike on this forum is spot on. Advertising companies know very well how gullible the public is especially when something is endordsed by the celebrities.

Can't answer the Doctor question. Why don't you write Mike Colins at Lifewave and ask him.

Now what type of salesperson are you? You should have all the facts and figures to be able to prove your claims and answer all questions, that is the only way you can prove you are honest and not taking people for a ride. So in my eyes not be able to answer the Doctor question immediately puts doubt in my mind and proves without a shadow of doubt that you and Lifewave are con artists.
Solly
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 | 07:47 PM
I can't help myself especially when it comes to bullshit spewed by these con artists. You probably have already seen it but just in case haven't have a look at this website.

http://quikonnex.com/channel/item/18503

Should provide a bit more ammo to throw at these arseholes.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 | 08:33 PM
"6 individuals showed 100% of them increased excretion of heavy metal toxins compared to when not wearing patches. Some up to 300% increase in certain metals. Average increase was 30-40%.
"

I'm not positive about the math on this one, but it seems to me like these numbers/statistics can't add up. If there were only 6 people, and ALL of them showed an increased excretion, and at least one of them showed a 300% increase, even if the other 5 showed only a 1% increase, that would still be an average increase of almost 51%...
Nanoman
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 | 10:23 PM
To clarify - average of all toxins coming out in all 6 subjects was 30-40% increase. Not making any claims. Just reporting facts.

I realize 6 subjects won't get published....this is why it is called a pilot study. I also very much agree with your statements that data takes a long time to gather.

I'm not a salesperson. Just like to share the product with people who enjoy the results!!

You will see the celebrity endorsements very soon. In the mean time feel free to contact any of the LW users that we comtinue to see on TV and in magazines.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 12:17 AM
Nanoman said:

"To clarify - average of all toxins coming out in all 6 subjects was 30-40% increase. Not making any claims. Just reporting facts."

The first sentence quoted above is, by definition, a claim. It can only be "certified" as a fact, if you will, by showing us the information behind it (if there is any). So, wanna back up that claim? You know, the one you weren't making.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 11:11 AM
Let me make sure I have this straight:

Lifewave LLC has Nanoman here anonymously post supposed "facts" even though he admits that DS, Mike Collins, and he are currently too afraid that if they say those things openly that the FDA or FTC will hold them accountable.

Question: If the things that DS says openly and on the record include proven lies and admitted fabrications, why should anybody believe the things that he has Nanoman post anonymously?

To explorer1, Denver Lifewaver, and any other current or former distributors: Has DS ever addressed for the faithful and offered any explanation as to why he falsely claimed to be a doctor and to have a degree in biology? Or is that the elephant in the room at Lifewave conventions that everybody tries to ignore?
Ruth
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 01:57 PM
I came to this site to see if there was any real information on the LW but all I
Solly
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 04:23 PM
Ruth,
Good for you I am always pleased when someone has positive results concerning their health. So far so good it looks as if your on a winner but it will be interesting to see how long it lasts. According to a report I read last year in our local paper a survey done amongst doctors in England, the doctors admitted that as much as fifty percent of the time good results were due to the placebo effect and that the drugs really didn't make a difference. Due to the placebo effect the patients believed that the drugs would cure them and their minds did the work. I have personally known a lady who had cancer ten years ago and the doctors gave her three months to live but she refused to listen and her sheer willpower overcame the cancer and surprised everyone. She lived for another eight years after before dying of a heart attack. She was eighty five years of age when she died.

If we knock anything on this forum it because there is so much deception going on and it gives people false hopes. I don't know how the scamsters can live a life of lies and deception especially if their hocus pocus causes a death due to a person not taking conventional treatment.
Solly
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 04:27 PM
Ruth,
I forgot to mention that another thing that raises suspicion and doubt is the false claims to be a doctor by the so called inventor. Read the following and you will see what I mean

To explorer1, Denver Lifewaver, and any other current or former distributors: Has DS ever addressed for the faithful and offered any explanation as to why he falsely claimed to be a doctor and to have a degree in biology? Or is that the elephant in the room at Lifewave conventions that everybody tries to ignore?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 04:58 PM
Ruth,

"I came to this site to see if there was any real information on the LW but all I
Ruth
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 05:25 PM
I have known about the placebo effect for over 30 years and if my
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 06:17 PM
Ruth,

The whole issue with the self proclaimed "Dr. David Schmidt (2 year business degree and ZERO scientific background) is that he claims to have rewritten the basic laws of science.

He has pushed his "energy" patches, but now that the distributor frenzy has slowed, pushing surgical free face lift patches that require you to use cream!

This man certainly has made a lot of money from his smile, but people are at last getting the message.

A scam is a scam is a scam.

Regards,
Dave
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 06:42 PM
I just came back from holidays and see that nothing much has changed here. Now we have "Ruth" who is latest "open-minded observer". So here goes:

"I am old enough to realize the science is not always the end all..."

You are perfectly willing to believe David Schmidt the "scientist (with no scientific training)" was able to use "science" to develop this product but at the same time you refuse to believe the rest of the scientific community when they say it is impossible. Are you implying Lifewave is not science?

"...and we still have a lot to learn about the body and mind."

How does this support Lifewave's claims? No one disputes the fact we "don't know everything". But even though we don't know everything, we do know a lot. In fact we know more than enough to make a judgement on Lifewave energy patches. (They're a scam.)

"She went to Church and got prayer, and is still cancer free."

Lots of people who pray get cancer. Lots of people who don't pray get cancer. Lots of people who don't pray don't get cancer. Some people are cured of cancer. Therefore it is likely some who pray will be cured of cancer. How do explain those that pray and die of cancer? Many who pray also die from tornadoes, tsunamis, earthquakes and serial killers, but that's another topic.

"But I do check out negative reports on things to help keep a balance."

I don't see a lot of balance in your analysis. For instance, you have not bothered to address the issue of how a person with no scientific training can invent an energy patch and a sleep patch using a "technology" that not even he understands. ("We believe it works by...") Logic tells us it would be impossible for DS to accomplish this feat. If so, everything thing else you have discussed in irrelevant.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 09:20 PM
Ruth,

Thanks for the new voice. If you want some hard information regarding Lifewave, you can go see some of the documents that have been collected and posted in a library at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lifewavedocuments/ . You'll have to join the group in order to access the documents. If you find any additional relevant documents, I think you can upload them to the site and add them to the library yourself. We look forward to your contributions.

I'm sorry you didn
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 09:21 PM
Bill Nott, who sounded like a sincere and nice guy, would appear here and encourage people to try the patches. I suggested in turn that HE try the patches
Equipo Olympic de Mexico
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 | 10:50 PM
PATCHES? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING PATCHES!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 | 05:44 AM
Ruth

"I have known about the placebo effect for over 30 years and if my
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 | 11:42 AM
Ruth

The research:

The pain control study that came out last year is fascinating. You can find a copy of "The Economist" report at Bob Burtis's WWSN site.

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwecono.htm

Here are some more links about the same study:

http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2005/placebo.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166662,00.html

http://www.psychiatry.ufl.edu/education/Med neuroscience/Pain Studies Illuminate the Placebo Effect.pdf

http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-pain-placebo-brain_5992.html

Regards,
Dave
*
ThermoMagnetic_Man
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 | 08:59 AM
As of June 3, 2006, the LifeWave Documents group site (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LifeWaveDocuments/ ) contains
the following documents:

1. The Lifewave provisional patent application in which David Schmidt claims to be "Dr. David Schmidt," in which he makes it clear that he made up the theory of operation of the patches, and in which he states that Lifewave patches should have no effect on people according to conventional expectations. He also presents supposed testimonials from people about how much more energy they get every time they wear Lifewave medallions, pendants, and wristbands are, and says that the testimonials are on file at his office.

2. The Lifewave regular (non-provisional) patent application, in which David Schmidt explains that the patches contain "Sioux honey," "Grandma molasses," amino acids, and/or related substances.

3. The publications by UTEP professor of electrical engineering Dr. Homer Nazeran, and by holistic veterinarian Dr. Lauren DeRock, which at one time Lifewave or its distributors pointed to as providing support for the patches, but which, curiously, are not available on LifeWave's website.

4. The order from the Georgia state medical board restricting Dr. Steven Haltiwanger's medical license due to some problems involving prescriptions for injectable Demerol. This was during Dr. Haltiwanger's apparently previous career as a psychiatrist, mention of which you will not find on Lifewave's website.

5. Various articles describing the placebo effect, and reporting a University of Michigan study which found that the placebo effect could affect a person's production of endorphins.

6. The Desist-and-Refrain order issued by the Department of California Corporations against Tru-Light Corporation, which was apparently Dr. Haltiwanger
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 | 09:26 AM
ThermoMagnetic_Man

Thank, thank you.

Great help for people who genuinely have an interest in looking beyond the hype to try to uncover the truth about this company.

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 | 04:52 PM
Unfortunately, the people interested in the truth can pretty well stop at "The Lifewave regular (non-provisional) patent application, in which David Schmidt explains that the patches contain "Sioux honey," "Grandma molasses," amino acids, and/or related substances.", and the people who would be helped most by the information aren't really wanting to know the truth...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 | 07:21 PM
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
Member

"...and the people who would be helped most by the information aren't really wanting to know the truth..."

If (Dr.)David Schmidt really had invented an amazing energy increase patch system as claimed, you can be totally confident that:

By now, the entire world would be using them. He would be known globally, interviewed on every chat show. His face would be as familiar as Clint Eastwood's. Oprah would be using the patches and be as thin as a stick. David Letterman would be doing hand stands on his Late Night show.

The athletics world would be in a turmoil as competitors rushed to break records before a ruling was made about use of the patches.

Why has this NOT come to pass?

Why is LifeWave 2006 talking more about new and exciting future patches including the groundbreaking face lift patch system (skin tightening cream included)?

Could the simplest of all explanations, the one many of us have been droning on about for over a year, be true?

IT'S ALL A MLM SCAM!

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 | 11:35 PM
"If (Dr.)David Schmidt really had invented an amazing energy increase patch system as claimed, you can be totally confident that:"...

...I'd be on the autoship program....
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 | 06:03 PM
Oh David, when will you ever learn?

From the DS email:

"Dr. Earl Mindell is quoted as follows regarding Glutathione:

"Glutathione is a substance, the levels of which in our cells are predicative of how long we will live. There are very few other factors which are as predicative of our life expectancy as is our level of cellular Glutathione. Glutathione has been called the master antioxidant and regulates the actions of lesser antioxidants such as Vitamin C and Vitamin E within the body. We literally can not survive without this antioxidant"

You have to do at least a miniscule of due diligence before you use a persons name to bring "credibility" to your wacky ideas.

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/vbible.html

"Mindell claims to hold valid credentials in nutrition. Although he does have a bachelor
explorer1
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 | 07:09 PM
Here is the newest guys! Initially they said they would only release the new skin products to Team leaders.

Important News!

...About The LifeWave NanoTechnology Skin Care System

Attention all LifeWave Distributors!
We are delighted to announce the launch of our LifeWave NanoTechnology Skin Care System! This skin care system is nothing short of revolutionary, and we are excited and pleased to provide you, our Distributors, with the opportunity to bring it to market.

As you have no doubt read in previous emails, the system consists of three products, featuring our amazing Skin Care Patch as the centerpiece. This patch helps you create
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 | 07:15 PM
That email could have been shortened to one sentence: Quick, everybody order it so we can make tons of money while we are still able to!
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 | 07:45 PM
But wait, there
explorer1
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 | 07:52 PM
Ruth- I repeat Solly's comments and am happy that by whatever means, you are feeling better. I also hope that you can continue to believe in the product until the bottom falls out and you find something else, because in all scams, eventually the bottom does fall out. When faced with eliminating or having a chance to reduce pain $499.00 to join seems worth the risk, doesn't it? Well, that is what Lifewave is betting on-there are alot of chronic pain suffers ! I joined because friends of mine got results and are still getting results. They refuse to believe that their benefits are most likely from the placebo affect. One of them even questioned the validity of the product but that was short-lived. She felt that questioning should have correlated in her NOT getting results (it did not). But she, like you has a lot to gain if she believes in the product and alot more than money to loose if she doesn't believe in it,and so she does.
What I am asking you is do not use your testimonial in getting others to risk money that may not be so easy to loose as it was for you.
Mine was hard earned and I wish I had not believed others word only. Once I started doing the due diligence I should have done in the beginning, I found I could not stand behind this company or it's products.
By the way, on the "nay-saying" jumping into the forum doesn't give you the benefit of seeing that these guys that have been consistent on this site, have gone over all these issues over and over again for over a year. As people enter the conversation, they politely give site information, explain principles etc. So, if they get a bit negetive and comical , it is due to their boredom, I'll bet about covering the same old ground. I for one thank them for their persistence. Captain Al, Solly, Dave, Denver Lifewaver, etc.....you know who you are.
Good luck Ruth !
explorer1
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 | 08:01 PM
Solly- to answer an earlier post- I have not heard of any explanation to answer the "Dr Schmidt" question. Denver Lifewaver may be better suited to answer , as I have only been associated with LW for a month. Nothing refers to him as Dr on the website so I suspect they are hoping it goes away. (like the questions about the Morehouse study and the Troy University study ??)
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 | 08:48 PM
"Important News!

...About The LifeWave NanoTechnology Skin Care System

delighted, revolutionary, excited, pleased, amazing, revolutionary, amazing,

we will share those results with you soon.

more great news!

change our plans, exciting, fantastic, sensational, incredibly, fantastic.

Have a great LifeWave Day!"

But most of all, PLEASE, PLEASE, PREETY PLEASE, BUY THIS STUFF NOW BEFORE WE GO UNDER.

Can you say desperate?

*
Ruth
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 | 06:24 AM
I did not spend any money to join anything only what the patch itself cost. I am not endorsing the product just testing it for myself. As far as the placebo affect goes all I remember is some article I read 30 years ago on how about 25% (give or take, it
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 | 07:08 AM
Ruth

The ground breaking placebo research carried out here in the USA.

The pain control study that came out last year is fascinating. You can find a copy of "The Economist" report at Bob Burtis's WWSN site.

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwecono.htm

Here are some more links about the same study:

http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2005/placebo.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166662,00.html

http://www.psychiatry.ufl.edu/education/Med neuroscience/Pain Studies Illuminate the Placebo Effect.pdf

http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-pain-placebo-brain_5992.html

A placebo can bring about physical changes in the body.

Regards,
Dave
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 | 05:42 PM
Joel,

Would you be kind enough to contact asap:

Jean Hofve, DVM
Editor-in-Chief
Journal of the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association
.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
http://www.ahvma.org

She would like to discuss the DeRock horse study with you.

Thanks Joel,

Dave
EDH UK
explorer1
Member
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 | 07:04 PM
Ok guys, anyone want to join the conference call
Oh, this should be good ! I think it should be in 1/2 hr from now???


(*corrected information)
Attention All LifeWave Distributors!

Our launch of the new... LifeWave Nano-Technology Skin Care System has been a huge success! We have taken hundreds of orders in the last 24 hours, and the pace hasn
explorer1
Member
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 | 07:41 PM
the call is on now-they may take questions at the end -we will see
explorer1
Member
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 | 08:17 PM
No way to get in a question on the call- I suspect they just selected the one they wanted to hear -or had one set up in advance to answer about "surgury free face lift."
Someone called in early as a FAX line so it pretty much put the call to a "presentation mode only" as they fax kept putting out the connection noise and no back and forth conversation was enabled.
Mike Collins lead the moderation, interesting he is now calling DR "H"- Director of Medicine and Dr H" is in charge of the clinical trials.
He also quoted Dean Clark as having already done 4 previous double blind studies on the Lifewave technology patches.
Skin patches were quoted as being tested with "several" individuals (note- no number given !)
Unfortunalty it sounds like product taking off as they claims 100,000 new business units sold in last week. Now -Only selling the PACKAGE skin care system (patches and cremes) later in summer they will offer the patches alone. One sentence David quoted is that they had to be careful about the claims they made - but then later stated some people had been cured of Exema and severe acne with the skin detox system !

Once again, more foder !
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 | 08:33 PM
explorer1
Member

"Unfortunalty it sounds like product taking off as they claims 100,000 new business units sold in last week."

David Schmidt also claims to have invented a revolutionary patch system.

Credibility for both statements zero.

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 | 02:39 PM
DR "H"- Director of Medicine and Dr H" is in charge of the clinical trials.

From this forum:

Mikey in Georgia

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 06:07 PM

"By the way, this Dr. H who touts himself to be so high and mighty and upstanding?;
his license is currently on probation in georgia for self prescribing injectible demerol and a few other naughty things. You can read the public board order against him on the georgia medical board web site. thought you all might like this info guys"
Solly
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 | 04:44 PM
Does anybody get the feeling that we are going around in circles covering the same arguements over and over and over. While I think its good to keep these scam artists on the run it does get a bit boring after a while. The only way to solve this is to get the feds involved to either stamp them out of existence or to prove that they are real.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 | 08:41 AM
Solly,

You make a great point. It does get a bit boring answering the exact same points raised by newcomers who won't take the time to read this forum.

On the other hand, there are new people coming here all the time. If the posts were only from LifeWaver's giving annectodal endorsements, the forum wouldn't be of much use.

As for the FDA, FTC route, others who have posted here have been in constant touch with these lumbering institutions. They will get around to looking at this scam, just like they do all the others, but probably not until after it's all over bar the shouting.

In the meantime, we'll just have to plod along, making the same old points, or do the crossword puzzles.

Cheers,

Dave
EDH UK
Solly
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 | 04:54 PM
Hi Dave,
Yes you do have a very valid point and if we didn't keep it up the scumbags will probably think they have got away with it. Unfortunately the only time you see fast action from the government is when its time to collect your taxes. I suppose latter is better than never, I just hope not too many people are hurt before something is done.
Regards,
Solly
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 | 03:49 AM
I had totally forgotten that I had this great link to a site about alternative medicine. Homeopathy and holistic stuff. It's the best site I've ever seen regarding all the "non-western thinking" that some of us here have a difficult time believing in. You've got to go check it out.

<a href="http://users.bestweb.net/~bennetc/holistic">Holistic health</a>

Uhhhhh...I'll be hiding under a table somewhere, in case someone throws something when they get back...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 | 06:28 AM
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
Member

Come out come out, wherever you are.

You funster you. What a classic!

Thanks for the welcome light relief.

Dave
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 | 08:48 AM
"Natural food for your computer".

:lol:

Good one!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 | 05:51 PM
Joel,
Could you please contact me at

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Thanks,
Dave
mark
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 | 01:30 PM
jeez.....you people still discussing this stupid sh*t. There is nothing in it to have any kind of reaction. The idea is good but it is not possible.


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hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 | 04:51 PM
Gosh mark, thanks for letting us know! We were so confused...
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