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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 | 04:55 PM
Joel

"Waver: . . . and you believe in the efficacy of this MPG gas pill every bit as much as you believe in the efficacy of LifeWave's miniature cell phones made out of honey and glycerine, right? "

You might want to join the fray on the fuel additives thread. Waver has posted some "useful" info there.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/1478/

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
Waver
Member
Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 | 09:32 AM
Joel said:

"Waver: . . . and you believe in the efficacy of this MPG gas pill every bit as much as you believe in the efficacy of LifeWave's miniature cell phones made out of honey and glycerine, right"

No Joel, I do not belive that the MPG pill works at all. I do belive however that the Ethos FR (fuel reformulator) liquid product does work and works very well. The company has been in business for 10 years and does over $170 million dollars in business ayear selling to large companys and countrys. It is now going into MLM to get the product out to the masses.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 | 10:01 AM
Waver

"The company has been in business for 10 years and does over $170 million dollars in business a year selling to large companys and countrys. It is now going into MLM to get the product out to the masses."

That's great Waver. At last you'll be able to make some real money from a genuine product. Perhaps you and Joel will continue the debate on the fuel additive thread.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/1478/

I was wondering why, given their success with large companies, they were unable to figure out how to offer the product in the usual retail way to the "masses" and not have to pay MLM distributors?

This LifeWave thread is admitidly thin on LifeWave info lately but, as WWSN and others have pointed out, that is very much the way scams play out before the conclusion.

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
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Explorer1
Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 | 08:10 PM
I want to thank whoever started the Lifewave discussion. I know you are sick of the subject by now, but becasue of your comments I was able to stop my involvement with them. I wish I had done my due diligence prior to signing up, but I guess I will look at it as an expensive lesson. I did learn alot , especially a reminder to not suspend healthy critical analysis of anything, especially a business opportunity. I indeed did receive results from using the patches, but I have attributed it to mostly the change of weather here in Phoenix and the Placebo affect.
I just wanted to take time to tell you all that I appreciated your investigation and sharing about this scam.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 | 08:33 PM
Explorer1

Even if you were the only person to have gained anything from words here, I would feel satisfied.

As I have mentioned on more than one occasion, the placebo effect has taken on a whole new meaning in the light of research on pain control published in the US last year.

You can take a pill, wear a patch, and have real results without the pill or patch having anything to do with it.

I tend towards the cautious view of most things, but I try to keep an open mind at the same time. If something truly amazing was to come along and stand up to proper tests and verifiable studies, I would take a second look.

LifeWave patches didn't make it to first base with me. The company, the fake Dr Schmidt, the MLM push to get your money on autoship. It all wreaked of something distateful.

Everyone is entitled to hope for some magic in their lives. Unfortunately, there are always certain individuals waiting to trade magic for hard cash.

A "magic" patch, a "magic" fuel saver pill. A firm promise to give you magic at a price.

Hot weather on the way in Phoenix? Don't forget to keep hydrated!

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
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Waver
Member
Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 | 10:04 PM
FYI, for youb EDHUK. One of the executives at one of the gas saving pill companies (I can't remember which one right now) is none other than ex LifeWave VP William Grand.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 | 01:15 AM
For some reason, I can't log into the New Forum, so I'm going to put this link about "gas mileage increasing" stuff here:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-fi-wondergas15may15,0,2109892.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 | 01:18 AM
Explorer1, I sure hope you didn't sink too much money into LifeWave. I'm very happy to read that you've realized that you need to have your "bullshit radar" on at all times, though.

I hope I was able to contribute in some small way to your becoming more critical of LifeWave (and things in general). I would also like to commend you for not staying in the scam and trying to get your money back by dragging others in behind you. I'm sure that was a temptation and it speaks well of you that you resisted it.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 | 09:45 AM
Waver

"FYI, for youb EDHUK. One of the executives at one of the gas saving pill companies (I can't remember which one right now) is none other than ex LifeWave VP William Grand."

We'll continue this thought on the new thread, hopefully.

I was wondering were you implying that an Ex LifeWave VP would bring legitimacy or the tinge of imminent disaster to a new company?

Dave
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 01:53 AM
Explorer1 is a scam, a Phantom, created by some of
people who couldnt find a way to present Michael
Collins and Richard Quick as scam artists.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 07:29 AM
Peter

"Explorer1 is a scam, a Phantom, created by some of
people who couldnt find a way to present Michael
Collins and Richard Quick as scam artists."

Please present evidence to confirm your statement.

Thank you

Dave
EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 07:36 AM
http://www.lifewave.com/USA/ENGLISH/leadership.html

It's always interesting to see how much attention to detail is taken by "top" companies like LifeWave.

"...has developed the technology to where a non-evasive patch is able to communicate with the human body."

"non-evasive"

Perhaps a Freudian slip there?

No charge for the proof reading.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 07:44 AM
Even scammers should proof read!!

Come on LifeWave. You may be in a hurry to get the last distributors on board, but at least take the time to check the drivel.

"Dr. Steven Haltiwanger, MD CCN
Dr. Steve Haltiwanger is as a medical doctor and clinical nutritionist by trade. He trained with the world famous physician and researcher Dr. Hans Nieper shortly before Dr. Nieper died in 1998. For the last six years Dr. Haltiwanger has educated physicians all over the world about Dr. Nieper's research and inventions. Dr. Haltiwanger has also formulated many nutritional supplements based on Dr. Nieper's mineral transporters. Dr. Steve Haltiwanger is as a medical doctor and clinical nutritionist by trade. Dr. Haltiwanger has educated physicians all over the world about Dr. Hans Nieper's research and inventions. He has also formulated many nutritional supplements based on Dr. Nieper's mineral transporters."

Yes, I think telling us twice about his "trade" is enough.

Personally, I like to think about such "professionals" as belonging to a "profession".

When I want a quick repair to my washing machine I call a "tradesman".

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 09:26 PM
Priorities for LifeWave Customer Service

pay plans
product information
orders
customer accounts
member accounts
commissions

But, it's not all about the money, or is it?
?
Waver
Member
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 | 04:50 PM
This has nothing to do with LifeWave or any gas savings mlm. It is about a scam called AAA Turbo Charge Marketing. Here is a link to their website:

http://www.aatcm.com/

Below is something I cut and pasted out of their back office. Can you say sucker.




"NOT OFFERED TO THE PUBLIC"

We already reached our 1st goal of Two Million Dollars

25% INTEREST OFFER Until Friday 5/26/06

Thereafter it will go to 15% Interest

Per your request here is more Information on why we are willing to Pay 15% to 25% Annual Interest On Your Money... Interest will now be PAID MONTHLY...

25% Interest Offer ends on May 26th, 2006 we will accept all wires received by our bank by 5PM Eastern on May 26th, 2006 and honor The 25% Interest Rate... up to the next $8,000,000 (eight million dollars)... Thereafter the Interest offered will be 15% up to the next $40,000,000 (forty million dollars)... all loans will be time date stamped. After Friday May 26th, 2006 offer will be reduced to 15%...

$100,000 Loan pays $2,000 a Month at 25%

$1,000,000 Loan pays $20,000 a Month at 25%

Please e-mail .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) put in the Subject Line "JVP LOAN"...

This is only for our aaTCM Associates and is not an offer to The Public. Many will join you just for this one option. First of all everyone here at aaTCM Management is all Million Dollar Earners in other programs and do not need any funds personally. Even our President is on 100% commission. Everyone needs to think out of the box on this one since it is such an incredible demand on such a product with a 4 to 6 week order system. And that's if we fly in the product at 40 cents additional each. Don't sound like much but that is $400,000 per million units. By boat it would take an additional 4 to 6 weeks and we just do not have the luxury of waiting for this in demand now product. We already have people RIGHT NOW who want to give us ONE HUNDRED MILLION for Inventory but they want 40 to 60% of the company. They also want to change the Marketing Plan to pay out only $50 of the $120 margin instead of $100 of the $120 margin. We said NO WAY... So our management team has committed almost TEN MILLION DOLLARS and that is exciting. However that is a FRACTION of what is needed to do it right. We estimate that FIFTY MILLION units in Inventory is where we need to be. That is an estimated $400,000,000.00 Inventory. We also know when and if we take this company public it will be worth BILLIONS... When you think out of the box that we are going to take every dollar loaned to us and turn it into $10 or $20. It would be wrong to offer any less interest.

Now add to the above that we are already looking into Opening additional Manufacturing Plants in MEXICO, INDIA, USA, SPAIN, RUSSIA and Other Countries. Remember we already purchase all 19,000 of their inventory... We already ordered and paid for 100,000 units... We already ordered and raised the funds to pay for ONE MILLION Units... HOWEVER we need ONE MILLION UNITS weekly and MORE... So aaTCM is willing to pay 25% Interest on any loans... WE NEED 10 MILLION DOLLARS more of INVENTORY... RIGHT NOW... Remember a MILLION UNITS ordered TODAY does not get here for 8 to 12 weeks... And that is by AIR FRIEGHT... So instead of going to venture capitalist or strangers we want to go 1st to our team. Interest will be paid MONTHLY... For more information on the aaTCM JVP Loan Program. Please e-mail .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) put in the Subject Line "25% INTEREST"... Minimum $10,000 Increments... Loan is backed and secured by Inventory at all times... And in good faith we will not pay you back in 6 months when we no longer need the funds we will honor this Loan for a minimum of One Year.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 | 05:30 PM
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/oagnews/release.php?id=1569

Courtesy of Waver on other forum.

Interesting how quickly the authorities can act on some things.

Hey, maybe the patches are the real deal?

Nah, not a chance in h***

Cheers,

EDH UK
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 | 07:06 PM
I am amazed at how the discussion thread on the now-enjoined BioPerformance gas pill, http://www.cleardigitalmedia.com/2006/03/bio-performance-gasoline-pill.html , reads almost exactly like this one: people saying that you can't knock the product if you haven't tried it, numerous people claiming that they were skeptical at first but they tried the product personally and holy smokes it works wonders you should try it, that the company is going to be the next Microsoft, urging others to just try the product, that the company is growing by leaps and bounds and now has tens of thousands of distributors, and people calling other people ignorant and closed minded because they haven't tried the product and won't you please try the product pretty pretty please here's the link to my website.

It's deja vu all over again.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 | 01:12 AM
Joel, when you think about it, what ELSE could a person with money invested in a MLM scam say? After all, they have to try to convince people with a healthy skepticism of a ridiculous claim to set aside their doubts and dive in, wallet first.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 | 09:04 AM
And in good faith we will not pay you back in 6 months when we no longer need the funds we will honor this Loan for a minimum of One Year.

When I loan someone money in $10,000 increments, I'd like to think that I have some say as to when it'll be paid back...
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 | 10:41 AM
CMG - Totally. The underlying subtext that seeps through the postings by both Lifewave and gas pill distributors is: "Oh god I'm desperate to unload this crap that gets autoshipped to me every month."
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 | 08:13 PM
THIRD MAJOR UPPER MANAGEMENT MEMBER LEAVES LIFEWAVE IN UNDER A YEAR! I can't wait to hear the spin on this.

This note is to announce that Stan Cottrell is leaving Lifewave to
pursue other interests. All of us here at Lifewave want to thank Stan for
his energetic globetrotting, his "Travels With Stan" updates, and for
all the hard work in helping spread Lifewave's message around the world.
Please join us in wishing Stan the very best in his future endeavors!
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 | 08:18 PM
I just got this e-mail from Lifewave LLC. This guy wasn't even around 6 months! I know this for a fact.This ship(Lifewave) has hit an iceberg and is taking on water, and the deluded "pickled" Jim Jones like followers don't see it. This is such a blatent red flag. Hey energypoints or yasajupiter, whats your response to this?
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 | 08:23 PM
Stan Cottrell - President - International
Stan Cottrell has been the national spokesperson and very instrumental in all phases of corporate development, national recruiting, and training. Numerous MLM companies have approached him during his nearly forty business years of business experience but it is Lifewave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 | 09:44 PM
Denver

I was wondering why Leslie Kenton is listed under testimonials for the restquiet sleep patch but doesn't mention the patch on her website?

http://www.lesliekenton.com/activebar/updates/movewithleslie/lesliekentonresources/directory.htm

Cheers,
Dave
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 | 11:25 PM
I don't know her. Make sure Bob gets the info on Stan. I was tired of hearing Stan crow about all the BS he was setting up for LW anyways. Another one bites the dust.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 | 04:24 AM
Denver Lifewaver,

" Hey energypoints or yasajupiter, whats your response to this? "

Not sure were you asking me, but will response to the information you unselfishly shared with the world.
As a person who is not able to believe, I know, that Mr. Stan Cottrell is great Guy, dedicated, caring, and always ready to help others. This knowledge was created as result of my conversations with Mr.Cottrell via skype.
As a person who lived in US from '94-'06, I got great deal of knowledge about North American culture. While working 11 years for Sysco foods of
Cleveland, I've seen saying " leaving to pursue other interests " and in 98% of cases that ment
person was fired.
And as long as my name is not atached to that saying,none of that is not my concern, or business, unlike to you.

" He got SCAMMED and CONNED by a better scam artist then himself. "

In order for me to give you proper response on
your statement about Mr.Cottrell being scam artist, would have to search Dictionary in order
to find correct words, but I'm not going to.

diehard Avalanche fan
Yupiter
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 | 04:23 AM
Here's another good website that deals with rip-offs
on the todays market.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/default.asp
Rip-off Report.com - badbusinessbureau.com
When tried Lifewave, or David Schmidt, search came on empty. Asking myself, where are all those
Lifewave customers who got "SCAMMED AND CONNED" ???
BBB is an American Icon, and above mentioned site
was created by consumers for consumers.
Then I realized you guys are only BELIEVERS.
But then again, you can always LIE about using, and
being scammed and conned by LifeWave LLC.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 | 06:50 AM
Peter

Thank you for correcting all non believers in the LifeWave "miracle" products.

Your confident endorsement will serve you well. Customers can now order the many patch products in the secure knowledge that you have performed the minimum necessary tests to enable you to back up your claims that the products work as described.

To provide such a service to the people of the world is an admirable act. Your endorsement and assurances will, of course, come with your personal guarantee that the products will work as describes by LifeWave LLC.

Furthermore, your personal guarantee will give people the confidence to purchase the product. You have the resources, from your employment with Sysco food products, to repay any customer who is not 100% satisfied with their purchase.

Peter, once again, I admire your selfless act of endorsement, wholehearted commendation, and confident assurances of the LifeWave product range.

The world thanks you.

Dave
EDH UK
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hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 | 03:16 PM
Rip-off Report.com - badbusinessbureau.com
BBB is an American Icon

However BBB, the American Icon (I would hardly consider an organization that gets its funding from the businesses it reports on to be the last word in reliability...) has nothing to do with the badbusinessbureau mentioned by Peter.

And just because one consumer protection web site doesn't mention something as a scam doesn't mean that something is legitimate.

The real BBB is looking into LifeWave LLC., probably as a result of Peter's posting, since they just started looking today. I sure hope whoever instigated it is one of you guys (ED HUK, CMG, etc.) that will follow up on it, since I'm lazy and I won't...
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 | 03:18 PM
Hey, how can I make the place where my name is just have So. Cal. instead of in So. Cal.?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 | 03:20 PM
Oh, and I meant EDH UK, not the incorrect version. And I even previewed, so I guess today I'm not lazy, just brain dead!
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 01:43 PM
On the subject of Lifewave
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 03:08 PM
Just the thought of having needles stuck all over me makes me willing to claim my headache is gone!
explorer1
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 05:00 PM
I have not been checking the site each day as I have moved on to other things. Someone said I was a "phantom" funny, I don't even like comics. No, I made the mistake of not doing due diligence before joining Lifewave. I believed their website. That's all no mystery there. I see it as a lesson. If you wish to know how and where I got information to make me suspicious, read all the mail here on the subject . The Patent application, the articles available on placebo affect, the lack of education or credentials of the "inventor" the ethics violations of Dr. W..... is none of this adding up? It did for me , enought that even if the patches worked by some miraculous way, I still could not recommend or enlicit anyone else into a company with such shaky credentials. Is this the only company in the world like this (NO), are some drug companies possibly at fault too??(YES), but I was not pondering helping those companies grow and involve my friends, business associates etc.
I hope questions about my "existence" are put to rest.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 05:36 PM
explorer1

I admire you stepping up to the plate and stating you were scammed.

Many others just disappear, too ashamed to admit they were had. All sorts of people are scammed every day. By bringing the scam out into the daylight you help others to think twice; to do their due diligence, and , hopefully, come to the right conclusion about this laughable "company".

Those who have read some of my previous posts know that I am not shy about emailing people and asking them about their involvement in LifeWave or why they think the products can possibly work as claimed.

In the past few days I have emailed two athletes still listed under testimonials in the energy patch section of the 2006 LifeWave website.

One replied he has not endorsed the product for over a year. I will not use his name until he gives me his permission to do so. He tells me he had no idea his name, picture and words were still being used.

Perhaps he will give me a statement I can post here. I wonder how many of the so called "testimonials" are genuine; people who, today, believe in the product and still give LifeWave permission to use their name as an endorser.

The other athlete gave me the same story. Does not endorse the product, yet there he is, giving the edge of credibility to this scam. I hope he will give me permission to name him.

Hopefully, more to follow.

Dave
EDH UK

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explorer1
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 05:52 PM
Thanks EDHUK - I appreciate your comments. I guess I might go away if I didn't know others who have joined, whom I have not been able to convince this is a bad company! They feel if the folks are getting results.....

Keep it up on getting documentation- I also want to see an actual letter from Morehouse and Troy University - in other words the cease letters they said they were going to send.
I saw they were planning to send, but never got to see if they did send them.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 06:03 PM
explorer1

I think Bob Burtis may have copies of cease and desist letters. I'll email Bob and ask if he has anything he can share.

Your mention of "placebo" effect is critical, in my humble opinion, to the debate over patches, or anything else that sometimes seems to give an effect.

As I have mentioned many times, research has now given us proof of actual changes in brain function/chemistry occuring as a result of believing that a pain medicine was being administered. I do not think it is a stretch of the imagination to believe that a person could put on patches and feel something that has NOT been caused by the patches themselves, but by that person's belief in what they expected to happen.

The old debate on placebos is just that, old. The new debate has to take into account the startling new research from Aug 2005.

Again, I commend you for trying to help new people see that there is a pothole they are about to fall in to.

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 07:23 PM
explorer1,

We may not be able to see those cease & desist letters. As a lawyer I know that, for legal reasons, C&D letters can often not be distributed to people other than the addressee without stirring up a hornet's nest of potential complications. Notice, however, that LifeWave no longer mentions Troy University or Morehouse College on its website. So I have no trouble believing that those colleges told Lifewave, "Quit invoking the names of our universities, because that makes it sound like we endorse your products which we do not." There wouldn't be anything particularly revealing or remarkable there. Still, I'd be curious too . . .
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 08:06 PM
Joel

Here's an old link to a James Randi item.

http://www.randi.org/jr/061005smug.html#11

Another example of LifeWave using someone's name for the added effect of credibility and respectibility. Didn't work in the long run.

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 08:17 PM
explorer1

Here are links to Bob's WWSN website concerning TROY and MOREHOUSE

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwtroy.htm

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwmorehouse.htm

Enjoy!

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 08:18 PM
EDH UK, is it just me or does James Randi look a lot like Steven Haltiwanger? Don't you find it unusual that nobody ever sees the two of them together at the same time?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 08:20 PM
This looks pretty close to a cease and desist.

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwtroyresp.htm

Courtesy Bob Burtis WWSN

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 08:23 PM
Joel,

I think Mr Randi would shudder at the suggestion as he continues his recovery from recent surgery.
(Or maybe the surgery story was a cover?) LOL

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 08:33 PM
RICHARD QUICK

I was thinking about Richard Quick, a respected and successful swim coach at Stanford, and how he could have ended up so deeply in bed with LifeWave. As we all know, being a successful athlete or coach hardly means that you know anything about electromagnetics or chemistry or quantum physics. Still, at Stanford he certainly had no lack of access to professors in all of those fields who could have exposed the hoax patches in 30 seconds.

I saw something on the Internet that said that he was famous for enthusiastically trying new training techniques, even things that put him on the fringe. To me that explanation wasn
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 | 11:29 PM
You gotta admire a guy who is that clever.


Either that or he's just really stupid.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 | 11:24 AM
Well, yeah, that too.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 | 03:41 PM
Guys, let me ask you couple of questions,
What is the longest lasting scam ? and
How long do you predict that LifeWave will last ?
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 | 03:51 PM
Counting organized religion(s), which can't all be true at the same time?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 | 04:09 PM
Peter,

If I were a betting man, and I'm not, I'd have to say I "believe" there won't be a LifeWave 2007 website.

It's getting close to the time when people will be able to claim "They were great products but the company was poorly run"

Regards,
Dave
EDH UK
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 | 04:19 PM
Joel, please get serious here, they are all Lie,
and yet, none of Us have right to call them Scam,
because people reserve right to have Faith.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 | 05:11 PM
Dave,
got to apologise for not responding to your replies
earlier. You were right, I am lost in translation
when it comes to believer/non believer issue.
You see, I said you guys are Believers in theory about LifeWave being Scam, not you guys are
non Believers in LifeWave being genuine technology.
I've never learned English, just lived 14 years in
English speaking Countries.
Didn't ask you to bet me, just simple prediction,
and you did It, great.
What is most important thing here is, that you, Joel
and everybody else here enjoy in what we do. You've found Important to help people not getting
scammed, conned or whathaveyou by LifeWave, and as
long as you're getting some kind of Satisfaction,
It is very thing that counts, otherwise, I assume
you wouldn't be doing this, that you do here.
Look at what am I trying do ! To sell package
of LifeWave EE for 80$ in Country,(or should I say
County, because that's what is left of my Country)
where average monthly Income is 200$.
So I can send some $$ back to US to my Family that
was Destroyed by US Government.
I feel that both you and me are playing by the Rule that says " Winners never Quit, and Quitters
never Win " and that is nice.

The only interesting aspect of this Game is, that
if LifeWave goes down, You will not have credit for that outcome by any stretch of imagination,
but if LifeWave become Gold Medal Company, as
coach Quick have said, I will.

regards,

Pete
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 | 05:32 PM
We will have credit if "LifeWave" goes down. It will be in knowing that we've helped others not to get scammed, and get their money stolen by a false product.

Pete, if LifeWave does go down, you will not only lose that source of income, but may also be held liable for the products you sold. You seem like a good guy, but will probably be one of the ones most hurt if LifeWave does get shut down.

LifeWave has an unlikely chance of surviving another year. Or, as Joel thinks, till 2007. Be careful Pete, you don't want to get caught up in that.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 | 05:32 PM
Ok, it was EDHUK who said the 2007 comment. Oooops
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 | 07:08 PM
Razela,

I actually said I believe there will NOT be a 2007 LifeWave website. I don't think they will be around for much longer. I believe Bob at WWSN may have some interesting info to share in the near future.

Peter,

The only point I raised on your post was the part where you stated:

"I do not believe Patches are good, I know that."

Your words are saying, in English, that the patches are NO GOOD.

You "do NOT believe the patches are good". That is the SAME as saying they don't work; that the patches are bad, useless.

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 | 12:43 AM
Yewpiter from Jewpiter said:

"Guys, let me ask you couple of questions,
What is the longest lasting scam ? and
How long do you predict that LifeWave will last ?"

My personal answer to your first question would be "organized religion."

The second question is a wee bit harder to answer as it requires guessing. Under a different administration with more interest in protecting the public from fraudulent businesses, LifeWave would probably be under indictment already. Since the Feds don't seem to be in the "scam busting" business these days, it may take a little longer.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see an enterprising state attorney general, like New York's Elliot Spitzer, go after LifeWave, though.

These MLM-type things tend to run out of steam on their own, though, so I would expect LifeWave to go tits up in the next 12 to 18 months, at most.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 | 03:51 AM
Razela,
LifeWave products are registered as " Athletic training aid ",and as such aproved by FDA as
Class 1 Medical device. Therefore it makes it perfectly legal for sale in USA. And it is up
to Foreign Country Customs, Governments, Health
Ministy Departments to ALLOW sale of LifeWave
products in Their respective Countries.
It was Me Personally who Put Serbia on the Map
of Countries that LifeWave is Distributing Products to, and I'm begging you, to Let Me deal
with that.
Now, you reserve your right to like it or not, and to solicit other people not to buy it under poster name " Razela ". I'm not sure what would happen if you go out Publicly with your REAL NAME, calling
Michael Collins and David Schmidt Criminals, Tiefs
etc.
I feel that is very reason why Mr.Randi, Bob, or who ever Acts against Lifewave threads really softly with their statements.
Very same situation where David tried to use Troy
and Morehouse, and got slapped by their Officials.
Despite the fact that US government is responsible for deaths of millions of people worldwide, including destruction of my Country, I admire the way US function as a modern Federation, and will
always Love It, and Respect It.

I am Destiny driven Spirit and Love Everybody
the Same way I Love Myself.
I do not tell people what to do, like YOU, i DO NOT Judge People like ......

regards
Pete
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 | 06:43 AM
Peter

"LifeWave products are registered as " Athletic training aid ",and as such aproved by FDA as Class 1 Medical device."

Do you know what this means?
Do you know what a Class 1 Medical Device is?

Dave
EDH UK
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 | 06:52 AM
EDH UK, Dave,
Belief is a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing.
As such it is Basic Human Emotion, upon which are all other emotions created.
Human Emotions are states of mind that some people have, others do not.
Intelligence that we use to create knowledge in other hand is something we are not able to control naturaly, or not to have.
My state of mind, that I've named " Jewpiter " does
not have ability of Believing. Which is why we don't
understand eachother.
How do you like this statement :
I am not able to believe in LifeWave Energy Enhancer Patch effect, but I feel, therefore I know, Effect indeed Exist.

Now is that effect really created by technology or
it is pure placebo effect, we can debate till
Cows come home.
And You Dave reserve right, by all means,to believe in Placebo theory, and all I've asked you, is to let me feel what I feel.
You feel me ??

regards

YuPiter
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 | 07:04 AM
EDH UK,
Personally, I do not need to know that, and I don't
give a F****g F**k, but for those who do, including
you chum, here it is :

What are Class 1 medical devices?

Class I devices are the lowest risk classification. The Class is determined by a set of rules and for example are intended for:

* external use
o may rely on an energy source other than the body or gravity, if not used for diagnosis or therapy,
o does not deliver energy to the body,
o does not deal with material introduced into the body or that comes in contact with injured skin; or
* continuous use less than 60 minutes in a body orifice or stoma; or
* continuous use less than 30 days in the oral cavity, ear canal or nasal cavity, or are:
* reusable surgical instruments; or
* medical devices for export only.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 | 07:13 AM
EDH UK,

Here's how people are allowed to sell products in US
legaly, ONLY TO THOSE WHO WILLINGLY DECIDE TO BUY THEM
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/search/search.cfm?db=LST&ID=92039
FDA > CDRH > Database Super Search

Why don't you contact US government and snitch on
LifeWave, see what happens ??

regards

Pete
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