The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Mary Coles
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 | 08:39 PM
What I am really after is , has anyone one of you tried this stuff called " The Harmony Chip" if so, is it working on you ?



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hcmomof4
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 | 08:47 PM
Mary, I think it's safe to say that no one here has even considered using those. The majority of us are rolling on the floor, laughing at the claims made on the web-site, and the few others find it to be in competition with their scam....er...product.
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 | 09:52 PM
Mary, just when I thought that LifeWave was the kookiest thing I had ever seen some charlatan try to pass off, you've pointed out a product that would probably make even David Schmidt and Steven Haltiwanger roll on the floor laughing. The claims are actually somewhat similar to those of LifeWave patches (which even used to be called Harmony Patches, I have read), but souped up by an order of magnitude. The Harmony Chip reads like LifeWave on steroids (or on energy patches) - promising to dissolve diseases, fix your car, fix your computer, etc., all by using technology that regular science just doesn't understand.

Save your money, would be my unqualified advice to you.

But who knows - maybe shortpump, nanoman, mr. know it all, energypoints, or others who have posted here and who claim to have felt the power of LifeWave patches might also be willing to buy the Harmony Chip and give it a go. We've certainly had many Wavers put others down here (I recall the term "primates" being used) for not keeping an open mind and being willing to try their patches, so maybe they'd be willing to practice what they preach and try this amazing Harmony Chip.

How about it: Do any of you Wavers want to help out Mary by buying the Harmony Chip, trying it out, and reporting the results? It comes with a money back guarantee and it never wears out (unlike LifeWave patches), so y'all have nothing to lose but your narrow ways of thinking. Heck, maybe you'll end up with a great new product to sell that's 10 times better than LifeWave.
Mary Coles
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 01:37 AM
Thankyou for all your comments, but if anyone out there ever gets to try this stuff, kindly let me know if you see any difference.......


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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 06:09 AM
"Thankyou for all your comments, but if anyone out there ever gets to try this stuff, kindly let me know if you see any difference......."

And that folks is precisely how so many scams succeed!

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Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 08:36 PM
The math is certainly there for scams: If you can convince just 1/10 of 1% of the population of roughly 280 million in the U.S. to shell out $90 for one box of LifeWave patches on a lark, that's about $2.5 million dollars in revenue just for first time users. Not bad.

The Harmony Chip claims that it is "extremely effective in ordering the chaotic energy fields of . . . people." That sounds a lot like DS's claims that LifeWave patches regulate people's energy fields, except that the Harmony Chip seems to come with many more testimonials, and it comes with fully 20 years of research to back it, not to mention a 10-year guarantee. Such a deal. I wouldn't be surprised if nanoman and the others are ringing this company's phone off the hook.
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 09:35 PM
A Proposal

Submitted to:

LifeWave Products, LLC

4989 Peachtree Parkway, suite 200

Norcross, Georgia 30092

Project Title

Effect of a non-transdermal protein patch on metabolism,

substrate utilization, and body composition

Principal Investigator: George A. King, PhD, CSCS

Director, Human Performance Laboratory

Department of Kinesiology

The University of Texas at El Paso

1101 N Campbell St

El Paso, TX 79902

(915) 747-7284 Phone

(915) 747-8211 Fax

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) E-mail

Co-Investigators: Carlos Sifuentes

Sarah E. Deemer

Chantal Vella, PhD

Sandor Dorgo, PhD, CSCS



Project Title Effect of a non-transdermal protein patch on metabolism,

substrate utilization, and body composition

Project Objectives

This investigation will examine the effect of applying a commercially available non-transdermal surface patch (LifeWave LLC, Suwanee GA) containing amino-acids (proteins) on metabolic rate, fat metabolism, and short-term weight loss. The manufacturer of this product claims the benefits of using the LifeWaveTM Energy Enhancer patches include: a) increased energy, b) increased stamina, and c) increased performance; all within 20 minutes of application. The membrane of the patches is made of a non-porous polyethylene with an acrylic adhesive; therefore, nothing is directly transferred from the patch into the body (see attached report from MVA Scientific Consultants). Within the patches is a combination of amino acids, water, oxygen, and organic substances bound to a polyester substrate and all compounds are recognized as safe (FDA 21 CFR) (LifeWave information brochure). The theoretical basis for the mechanism of action is through frequency modulation and resonant energy transfer. Simply, the protein combination contained within the patches interacts with the naturally occurring magnetic field of the human body. The manufacturer suggests that the application of the patches to the skin (exposing the patch to the naturally occurring magnetic field of the body) causes the contents of the patch to vibrate (resonant energy transfer) and transmit a signal to the cells (frequency modulation with biological energy field). Through signal transduction, the cells interpret the signal initiated from the patch stimulating an increase in fat metabolism.

The implication for a non-pharmacologic method of stimulating metabolism and specifically, fat utilization, are great. Therefore, the purpose of this investigation is to evaluate the acute effect of the LifeWaveTM Energy Enhancer patches on metabolism and the effect of short-term regular use of these patches on metabolism, body composition and exercise tolerance.

Methods and Procedures

This research study will be conducted by the Human Performance Laboratory (109/110/111 MGYM), housed within the Department of Kinesiology at the University of Texas at El Paso (UTEP). Prior to any data collection, all study procedures will be thoroughly explained by an investigator and each subject will provide written consent to participate in the study. The proposed project is currently under review review by the UTEP Institutional Review Board for Research Involving Human Subjects (contact person: Karen Hoover (915) 747-5680).
Subjects






Here is a research proposal that was submitted back in June of last year. I wonder why we have not heard anything from Lifewave.
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 09:38 PM
The subjects will be approximately 50 untrained women between the ages of 18 and 50 years. Women will be placed into one of two subject groups (N=25 per group) based on body composition: 1) non-obese group, and 2) obese group. Criteria for participation in this study will include: a) regular menstrual cycles; b) being able to complete all test protocols; c) being free of chronic illnesses; d) not taking any medications that may alter metabolism; e) being a non-smoker; and f) being weight stable. Non-obese will be defined as a Body Mass Index (BMI) <27 kg/m2 and obese as a BMI >30 kg/m2. Health status, menstrual status, menstrual history, and level of training will be assessed by self-report on a health history questionnaire; and "untrained" will be defined as the absence of regular exercise (< 1-day per week) during the previous six months. Disqualifying chronic illnesses include coronary heart disease, diabetes mellitus, malignancy, anemia, renal disorders, liver or gallbladder disease, pituitary disease, and uncontrolled hypertension. Exclusionary medications will include β-blockers, glucocorticoids, or drugs known to alter metabolism. A condition of stable body weight will be defined as no change (≤ 2 kg) in body weight and the absence of a special diet and/or program for the purposes of weight reduction during the previous three months. All participation will be voluntary in nature and feedback to subjects will be via US mail, or e-mail depending on the desires of the subject.

Recruitment of women will occur throughout El Paso and the surrounding communities. On the UTEP campus, special bulletin e-mail messages and newsletters will be used to recruit subjects and advertisements with churches, civic groups, and local newspapers will be used to recruit individuals from around the region.

Study Design

This 12-week placebo controlled double-blind cross-over research study will be conducted by the UTEP Human Performance Laboratory (109/110/111 MGYM). Each subject will report to the laboratory for a total of twelve (12) visits. The first laboratory visit will include the completion of project forms; an orientation with the laboratory equipment; and receipt of specific pre-testing session instructions and a urine specimen collection bottle. The remaining laboratory visits will involve subject testing and will be referred to as a testing session. Each testing session will be approximately 2 hours in duration and testing sessions will be separated by 1-week (7 days). Tests will be performed in the morning, and subjects will be asked to avoid foods and beverages on the morning of testing (including water). Table 1 shows a schematic representation of the procedures to be completed during the testing session that corresponds to each week of the study.
Table 1. Schematic of procedures to be completed during each laboratory visit.
Week of Study Testing Session
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 WASHOUT PERIOD 8 9 10 11 12
Treatment-A Treatment-B
Informed Consent X
Health Status Quest. X
Activity Survey ORIENTATION X X X X X X X X X X X
Metabolism X X X X X X X X X X X
BIA X X X X X X X X X X X
24-h Urine X X X X X X X X X X X
Diet Record X X X X X X X X X X X
Body Composition X X X
1-Mile Walk X X X X X X X

Week 1 Orientation Visit: The first laboratory visit will include the completion of the Informed Consent Document and health status questionnaire, an orientation with the laboratory equipment, specific instructions for recording dietary intake, instructions for the 24-h urine collection, and receipt of a urine specimen collection bottle.
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 09:40 PM
Week 2 Testing Session: The week 2 testing session will serve as the baseline measurement for the study and will include the completion of the activity survey and all study testing procedures. Upon arrival at the laboratory, subjects will submit their diet record and urine sample to a research team member and then assume a reclined position in preparation for metabolic measurements. Resting metabolism and bioelectrical impedance (BIA) will be measured followed by completion of the activity survey, DEXA measurement, residual volume measurement, underwater weighing, and the 1-mile walk test. Each procedure is described in detail below. The activity survey will be administered during all testing sessions to monitor changes in physical activity behaviors. At the end of each testing session, prior to release, each subject will receive instructions for the subsequent testing session and a fresh urine collection bottle.

Week 3 Testing Session: Upon arrival at the laboratory for the week 3 testing session, subjects will again submit their dietary record and urine sample before assuming the reclined position for metabolic testing. During the week 3 testing session, resting metabolism and BIA will be measured twice. The first measurement will be under the same conditions as session 1 (without wearing the treatment patches). Immediately following the first metabolic measurement and while remaining in the reclined position, the treatment patches (LifeWave or placebo) will be placed on the skin of the subject as directed by the product manufacturer (Figures 1-2). When the patches are positioned correctly, a second metabolic measurement will be obtained for an interval to be determined from pilot testing (described below). The application of the patches will mark the start of Treatment-A.

The manufacturer of the LifeWave Energy Enhancer patch claims that the user will receive nearly immediate benefits (<20 minutes). Therefore, the purpose of the second metabolic measurement during the week 3 testing session is to evaluate the acute effect of patch application on resting metabolism.

Following the completion of the metabolic measurements, each subject will complete the 1-mile walking test while wearing the treatment-A patches. The purpose of this 1-mile walking test is to evaluate the acute effect of the patches on walking test performance. No body composition measurements will be collected during the testing session of weeks 3-6 and 8-11 because any possible predicted change will be within the measurement error of the procedure
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 09:41 PM
Week 5 Testing Session: The week 5 testing session will mark the use of the treatment patches for 14 days and will be the mid-point of the treatment-A cycle. The procedures for week 5 testing will include: submission of a diet record and urine sample, metabolic and BIA measurements, and the 1-mile walk test. At the conclusion of the week 5 testing session, subjects will be consulted on any perceived effects of using the treatment patches; provided a fresh urine collection bottle; and provided a 1-week supply of the treatment-A patches.

Week 6 Testing Session: The week 6 testing session will be day 21 of treatment-A. The procedures for week 6 testing will be identical to week 4 to include: submission of a diet record and urine sample, metabolic and BIA measurements, and consultation of perceived effects. Subjects will then be provided a fresh urine collection bottle and a 1-week supply of treatment-A patches.

Week 7 Testing Session: The week 7 testing session will mark the use of the treatment patches for 28 days and will be the end of the treatment-A cycle. The procedures for week 7 testing will be identical to week 2 to include: submission of a diet record and urine sample; metabolic, BIA and body composition measurements; and the 1-mile walk test. At the conclusion of the week 7 testing session, subjects will be consulted on any perceived effects of using the treatment patches and provided a fresh urine collection bottle. However, at the end of week 7 testing, subjects will not receive any additional treatment patches.

Washout Period: The 7-day duration between the week 7 and week 8 testing sessions will serve as a washout period for the effects of the treatment patches.

Week 8 Testing Session: Week 8 of the study will mark the start of Treatment-B and the procedures of the week 8 testing session will be identical to the week 3 testing session. Following completion of all week 8 procedures, investigators will inquire about any residual effects (positive and negative) of treatment-A before providing each subject with a fresh urine collection bottle and a 1-week supply of treatment-B patches.

Week 9 Testing Session: Subjects will have 7 days of exposure to treatment-B upon arrival at the laboratory for the week 9 testing session. Similar to week 4 testing, the purpose of the week 9 testing session is to evaluate the short-term effect of the patches on metabolism. Therefore, the procedures of this testing session will be identical to week 4 and week 6 testing to include: submitting a dietary record and urine sample, metabolic and BIA measurements, and consultation of any perceived effects (positive and negative) experienced while using the patches. Prior to release, each subject will be provided a fresh urine collection bottle and a 1-week supply of the treatment-B patches.
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 09:43 PM
Week 10 Testing Session: The week 10 testing session will mark the mid-point of treatment-B (14 days). The procedures for the week 10 testing session will be identical to week 5 and include: submission of a diet record and urine sample, metabolic and BIA measurements, and the 1-mile walk test. Similar to all other testing sessions, subjects will be consulted on any perceived effects of using the treatment patches, then provided a fresh urine collection bottle and a 1-week supply of treatment patches.

Week 11 Testing Session: At the week 11 testing session, subjects will have completed 21 days of treatment-B. The procedures for the week 11 testing session will be identical to weeks 4, 6, and 9 to include: submission of a diet record and urine sample, and metabolic and BIA measurements. Following the completion of week 11 testing, each subject will be consulted on any perceived effects of using the treatment patches, provided a fresh urine collection bottle, and given her final 1-week supply of treatment patches.

Week 12 Testing Session: The week 12 testing session will mark 28 days of treatment-B, the end of the treatment-B cycle, and the conclusion of subject testing. The procedures for the week 12 testing session will be identical to weeks 2 and 7 to include: submission of a diet record and urine sample; metabolic, BIA, and body composition measurements; and the 1-mile walk test. Subjects will be consulted on any perceived effects of using the treatment patches and of their overall impression of the patches. Each subject will be reminded of an approximate date to receive study results, the method of receiving results will be confirmed, and she will be informed that an investigator will contact her in 1-week.

Follow-up Consultation: An investigator will contact each subject 7 days following her week 12 testing session via telephone or e-mail (at the discretion of the subject) to inquire about any perceived residual effects from the treatment patches.

Treatment Patches

The efficacy of the LifeWave Energy Enhancer patches is the primary focus of this study. The nonporous membrane of the patches is made of polyethylene and one side of the patch is coated with an acrylic adhesive (Figure 1). When applied to the surface of the skin, there is no direct transfer of material from the patch to the body (non-transdermal). A single patch has a centralized blister pocket 32mm in diameter encompassed by an edge approximately 4.5mm wide for a total diameter of 41mm. The blister pocket of a patch contains a synthetic fiber disc 28mm in diameter and all of the compounds used in the composition of the patches are recognized as safe (FDA 21 CFR). The synthetic fiber disc is composed of a polyester substrate matrix containing a combination of amino acids, water, oxygen, and organic substances. A patch has either a brown color (glucose patch) or a white color (glycerin patch). Patches are worn in pairs and applied bilaterally over one of four possible anatomical landmarks with the white patch worn on the right side of the body and the brown patch worn on the left side of the body (Figure 2).

Each subject will be instructed to wear a pair of patched (brown & white) every other day (one day on, one day off) of the treatment cycle and to rotate the location of the patched through the four anatomical sites. To clarify, each subject will be provided a diagram similar to Figure 2 labeling the location and date of patch application, and the exact anatomical locations of patch application will be identified on each subject
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 09:44 PM
Figure 1. LifeWave Energy Enhancer patches: White (glycerine) patch (left); and brown (glucose) patch (right).

Source: MVA Report, Nov 2004

Figure 2. The four possible bilateral anatomical locations for patch placement.

Source: LifeWave Information Brochure

Source of Treatment Patches and Double-Blinding Procedure

For this study, LifeWave Products, LLC (Suwanee, GA) will provide the LifeWaveTM Energy Enhancer patches and the placebo patches. The placebo patch will be designed to have all of the physical appearance characteristics of the LifeWave patch. Prior to the initiation of data collection, a third party unrelated to the research study will sort the LifeWave patches from the placebo patches and organize the patches first into 1-week supplies (4 brown and 4 white patches), then group similar 1-week supplies into 4-week treatments. Fifty 4-week treatments will be formed for the LifeWave patches with half labeled
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 09:46 PM
BioElectrical Impedance Analyses

BioElectrical Impedance will be measured using the multi-frequency Quantum-II Desktop (RJL Systems, Inc., Clinton Twp., MI) bioelectrical impedance system. Bioelectrical impedance techniques work by introducing a very low amperage current into the subject
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 09:49 PM
Another research project that you think Lifewave would be waving in everyone's faces to prove the product.

Title of Proposed Project
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 09:50 PM
1. Wear comfortable, loose-fitting clothing.
2. Drink plenty of fluids over the 24-hour period preceding the test.
3. Avoid food, tobacco, alcohol, and caffeine for 3hours prior to taking the test.
4. Avoid exercise or strenuous physical activity the day of the test.
5. Get an adequate amount of sleep (6 to 8 hours) the night before the test.

Each subject will arrive twenty minutes prior to each exercise trial and will be given either the recommended number of Lifewave Energy or Placebo Patches for placement on the right and left shoulders prior to test participation. Administration of the Lifewave Energy and Placebo Patch trials will be randomized with half of the participants wearing the Placebo patches during the first trial and Lifewave patches during their second trial with the order reversed for the remaining subjects. Total participation time for each test is approximately 45 minutes.

Although maximal exercise testing is a relatively safe procedure, there exists the possibility of certain changes occurring during the test. Every effort will be made to minimize these risks by evaluation of preliminary information relating to each subject
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 09:54 PM
Here is another research project that should have been finished and the distributors told about the results.

US Sports Academy LifeWave Patch Study 6/15/05

Brianna Smith - Investigator

Study Design

Double Blind Placebo Design testing 100 people

20-minute Cycling Test at (TBA) Workload

Subjects. The subject pool consists of average adult male and female ages 18-70 capable of sustaining cycling exercise of a minimum of 20-minutes at a set workload. In this study,
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 09:59 PM
ill Amonette

3501 Tompkins Drive

Baytown, TX 77521

Dear David,

RE: Bill Amonette

1. Copy of proposal

Research Proposal

THE EFFECTS OF LIFEWAVE PATCH USAGE ON

RESTING AND EXERCISING METABOLISM

AND LACTIC ACID BUFFERING

WILLIAM E. AMONETTE

TERRY L. DUPLER

YAMIL L. GARCIA

KIRK L. ENGLISH

University of Houston-Clear Lake

Fitness & Human Performance Program

Submitted:

March, 2005

METHODS:

Subjects: Male cyclists (N=15-25) will be recruited from area cycling teams and will volunteer as subjects. Only competitive cyclists will be accepted as subjects. Competitive will be defined as a cyclist who has participated in at least 5 United States Cycling Foundation (USCF) or National Off Road Bicycling Association (NORBA) sanctioned races in the past 12 months. Subjects with a recent history of lower extremity orthopedic injuries, anemia, blocked acupuncture meridians, individuals subject to rapid detox (e.g. fibromyalgia, etc.), chemical sensitivity syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, a past history of sensitivity to medications, smokers, individuals taking many medications, or chronic use of analgesics such as acetominiphen will be excluded from the study.

Additionally, subjects will be required to drink 37 ml/kg of body weight of water per day for 7 days prior to testing and for the entire four week testing period. Fluid intake during training will not count towards the daily water requirement. They will also be given a multivitamin/mineral supplement to be taken the seven days prior to the first testing session and for the entire testing period.

The protocols will be approved by the University of Houston-Clear Lake Committee for the Protection of Human Subjects (CPHS). All subjects will sign an informed consent form. They will be given an oral and written summary of the study in layman
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 10:01 PM
During the three remaining sessions, resting and exercise metabolism will be measured using the following protocol. First, the subject will lie quietly on a table for 25 minutes while his expired gases are collected and analyzed by the metabolic cart. Measurements will include VO2, VCO2, RER, HR, VE, VO2/kg, O2 pulse, VE, Vt, RR, and other expired gas variables. Resting blood lactate (BLa) will also be measured at the end of the 25 minute period using an Accusport lactate analyzer (Accusport Inc., New York, New York). Following the resting measurements, subjects will cycle at workloads equal to 20%, 40%, 60%, 70%, and 80% of their VO2max for five minutes per intensity. Immediately following the 80% workload, intensity will be increased a final time to 90% VO2max until the subject is unable to maintain 90 + 5 rpm. During all trials, the previously listed metabolic variables will be continuously monitored. BLa will be sampled following each exercise stage. Upon completion of the 90% stage, intensity will be decreased to 20% VO2max for 10 minutes. Once again, metabolic variables will be measured and a final BLa sample secured at the conclusion of recovery.

This protocol will be repeated on three separate days. Each time, the protocol will be conducted under one of the following conditions: 1) using a LifeWave experimental patch, 2) using a placebo patch or, 3) using no patch. The order of conditions will be randomly assigned by a computer program. Both the investigators and subjects will be blind to the experimental condition.

DELIVERABLES:

Following data collection for five subjects, the research team will provide LifeWave with a graphical report and data from the five subjects. This process will be repeated upon completion of each five subjects (i.e. 6-10, 11-15, etc.). When sufficient statistical power is achieved, the research team will publish the results in a peer reviewed journal(s).
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 | 08:45 AM
The test results I'm waiting to see are the biology and chemistry finals David Schmidt must have written to be in a position to invent an energy patch. Could he even pass a high school science test?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 | 10:51 AM
Denver Lifewaver
in Denver, CO

Presumably LifeWave did not accept any of the study proposals you have cited. There would be no results to look at because the patches were not provided.

Or, perhaps the studies were performed anyway with patches the scientists purchased. The results would have uncovered the scam...hence no study on the website.

We'll have to email them and find out.


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Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 | 12:18 PM
. . . or perhaps one or more of the studies was actually conducted because DS, being so delusional as to believe that he is a doctor, thought that the studies would show efficacy. But then when the studies came back negative, DS buried the results. The people who conducted the studies never submitted the write-ups to any journals because all that the studies proved was that snake oil is snake oil, and that the world's physics and chemistry textbooks do not need to be recalled and rewritten. That's hardly the stuff on which research reputations are built.

My guess is that DS never accepted the proposals, or maybe accepted them but had no intention of funding them to completion, because he knew all along that they would show no efficacy; that DS, with his supposed dual degrees in MIS and biology and some unspecified PhD or medical degree that makes him "Dr. David Schmidt," is merely garden variety dishonest rather than delusional.

EDH UK, that would be great if you could contact the people who wrote those proposals and find out what happened to them.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 | 12:23 PM
Joel,

Have emailed already.

Waiting with great anticipation to learn about the great patch successes!

Dave
EDH UK
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 | 12:30 PM
I've given you the road map, now go see who(has what to say, if anything) and where this leads to. By the way, Captain Al, I am assuming you have never met nor spoken to David Schmidt. Make no mistake, he makes a very good first impression, well dressed and sophisticated in his presentation. He does know something about the topics that he speaks on, maybe not to the degree of a real PHD or MD, but he can hold his own in conversation. I am not supporting him in his actions, meerly informing you.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 | 12:58 PM
Denver Lifwaver,

Thanks for the insight but it takes more than a good first impression to rewrite the laws of physics. Sounds like David Schmidt is merely someone who has all the qualities of a good salesman.

If his Lifewave website is an indication of his scientific knowledge, knowing about what he speaks is nothing to brag about.
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 | 01:18 PM
We're on the same page.I did not say he would or could rewrite the laws of physics.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 | 02:22 PM
Denver Lifewaver,

Understood. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were supporting him.
warleftd
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 01:08 PM
There is a difference between being a skeptic and being totally closed-minded. This is my first visit to this site, and I am amazed at how many people are abolutely sure that these patches do not work WITHOUT HAVING TRIED THEM! Sure, everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but while a belief based on personal experience may not be valid for everyone, a belief based on total ignorance is sheer stupidity.

I am also a hockey player, with a strong background in chemistry and physics, as well as a published author in the health and nutrition field. I have tried the patches and they do in fact have an effect. There is a marked increase in energy, but no increase in aerobic capacity. After you use the patches in a game, you are far more tired than usual the next day, which is a disadvantage.

I have tried any number of products that claim various things; almost all of them do not work and I have returned for refund all of those. However, there are SOME "unapproved" products which do work. Glucosamine was such a product, and arthritics used it successfully for years before the AMA finally blessed it.

If you just sit behind a computer all day, you may not notice any effect from the patches. If you play a sport, run, swim, or do any other strenuous activity, you owe it to yourself to give the product a trial.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 02:15 PM
warleftd
Member

Your point is well taken. Your point has been made many, many times on this forum.

Your personal experience is annectdotal, nothing more, nothing less.

Are you a distributor of the patches?

Regards.
Dave
EDH UK
hcmomof4
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 03:19 PM
I know for certain that despite warnings from internationally renowned feng shui expert Raymond Catchpole "that, amongst other things, a driver should park his or her car facing away from the driver
energypoints
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 05:02 PM
Have you guys heard about the new patch the Lifewave is claiming to increase the production of glutathione? You better hope that they don't come out with a real study that proves this. If DS has a patch that can make you produce more of this master antioxidant, you skeptics are going to have to shut this site down for embarassment alone! Google glutathione if you don't know how important it is, and how doctors all over the world are searching for a way to increase its levels in the body.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 05:07 PM
"You better hope that they don't come out with a real study that proves this."

Given David Schmidt's track record to date, there is zero chance of this happening.

As predicted by Bob Burtis and others, LifeWave is following the plan of a company in demise. Keep on bringing out new patches to gather up the remaining money from the scam concept.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 05:10 PM
There are still afew more from DS's list to go:

selected from a group consisting of L-Alanine, L-Arginine, L-Aspargine, L-Aspartic Acid, L-Carnitine, Acetyl-L-Carnitine, L-Camitine L-Tartrate, L-Camitine Magnesium Citrate, L-Citrulline, L-Cysteine, L-Cystine, L-GABA, L-Glutamic Acid, L-Glutamine, Glutathione Peroxidase, L-Glycine, L-Histidine, Hydroxyglutamic Acid, Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, Norleucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Omithine, L-Valine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Taurine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, and L-Tyrosine.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 05:13 PM
Of course you could just buy this stuff now, why wait, right?

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/#whey

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Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 05:27 PM
Brett(energypoints)your back. How much money are you making with just you and your ultra marathoner buying the patches at wholesale? Ask David Schmidt about the results of the studies that are posted on pages 123 and 124 of this forum.I am assuming with you being one of the main distributors in your area, that you can contact David directly on his cell phone. You are in the loop, aren't you? Or are you 12th man on the deal? Still waiting to see who has a bigger down-line and who has made more money in Lifewave as on today. Since your still living with your parents in the back woods of the Smokey Mountains, I won't take your money on a bet. It would not be fair.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 06:26 PM
energypoints said:

"Have you guys heard about the new patch the Lifewave is claiming to increase the production of glutathione? You better hope that they don't come out with a real study that proves this."

The most important words in those two sentences are "claiming" and "real."
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 06:29 PM
energypoints

Please enlighten us on the new Glutathione (GSH)patch.

Is the patch aimed at addressing the problem of cysteine availablity being the limiting factor in Glutathione production?

Would you recommend we buy Glutathione from this company?

http://www.vitacost.com/science/hn/Supp/Glutathione.htm

Or this company?

http://youngagain.com/nacnac180cap.html

Or this company?

http://www.vitimmune.com/glutathione/lp.htm?OVRAW=%7CShopping%7CHealth & Personal Care%7CVitamins & Supplements%7CAll Nutritional Supplements%7CGlutathione%7C&OVKEY=glutathione&OVMTC=standard

So much choice, so little time.

Please let us know when you get a chance.

Cheers,
EDH UK
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energypoints
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 | 10:03 AM
First of all, Cranky, I used "Lifewave is claiming" because that is what they are doing. I'm not claiming they work. Lifewave is.

As for all of these sites that are selling glutathione products:

A friend that sent out a newsletter on the Sunday night call: "The patch will change the skin from the INSIDE OUT, unlike other products that are strictly topical. Yes, you can buy Glutathione supplements-BUT most are broken down by stomach acid, and if it does get into the blood stream, the particles are too big to be absorbed by the cell."

A couple friends that are using the product:
"Bruce and I are part of the trial group for the Glutathione patches. I had a cold sore that was not healing and within 24 hours of putting on the patch it was nearly gone. Bruce says he feels good, great sense of well being. A friend of ours reported that our skin looks
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 | 11:48 AM
Warleftd wrote:
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 | 11:50 AM
Energypoints you were the one in your first post who bragged about the thousands of Japanese distributors coming to your down line. I am glad you feel special being one of the select few to try the new patch.Unfortunately the results you think you are receiving, are not backed by independent research.I know you don't want to keep hearing this, but this is how the process works. Don't you wonder why they (LW) don't really stay the course with one patch product, before trying to come out with another and another? It would be so easy energy points, if the company acted professionally and kept their word about deadlines and research that would once and for all be independent and double blind placebo based.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 | 01:34 PM
"I had a cold sore that was not healing and within 24 hours of putting on the patch it was nearly gone."

So it MUST have been the patch. Couldn't possibly have been ANY other explanation.

The patches now cure a viral condition that is self limiting anyway.

I wonder if energypoints still believes in Father Christmans?

Can this get any more ridiculous?

Don't answer that.

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hcmomof4
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 | 02:16 PM
Hey!!! Leave Father Christmas out of this!!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 | 12:06 PM
energypoints

"Google glutathione if you don't know how important it is, and how doctors all over the world are searching for a way to increase its levels in the body."

Still waiting for your insightful comments to my previous question:

Is the patch aimed at addressing the problem of cysteine availablity being the limiting factor in Glutathione production?

Always willing to learn.


EDH UK

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energypoints
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 | 05:30 PM
EDHUK, I do not have a backround in chemistry so your question only raises more questions for me. Are you saying that cysteine is needed for the production of glutathione? All I have heard so far is what I've already told you. This new patch with trigger the production of glutathione in your body. Now if that requires cysteine, I'm guessing it will be addressing that problem. If I find out more about that, you'll be the first person to hear about it. If I'm not understanding the question let me know. Thanks!
energypoints
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 | 05:49 PM
Hello again. I don't want to read all 126 pages of this forum so for the main characters, do you think the patches overall have an effect besides the possible placebo?

I just want to get an general idea of why this forum exsists. I want to know why a person like Lance Armstrong who can chose to use any product in the entire world and also not to use any product, decided to try the Lifewave patches. No one can just tell Lance to try something and he'll try it because of that.

These patches have an effect on the body guys. Are you trying to say that they don't?

Thanks!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 | 06:21 PM
energypoints

"I don't want to read all 126 pages of this forum"

I presume that's why you didn't bother with even the most basic due diligence on the LifeWave LLC scam before you signed over your soul.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 | 06:24 PM
energypoints

...I do not have a backround in chemistry..."

Yet you believe the rantings of a complete scam artist, with only a business degree, and are prepared to label all others as close minded morons.

?
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 | 08:05 PM
Energypoint, I know for a FACT that Lance Armstrong has NOT USED the Lifewave patches. Who ever told you this is a LIAR. Are you really this much of a "sheep" that you believe everything that you hear? You really sound like a back waters hillbilly.
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 | 08:14 PM
Energypoints(I mean Brett) you have never answered my questions on why YOU believe this is such a great business opportunity, if Lifewave is only paying out 7% for every dollar they take in and You Brett need to collect and bring in to Lifewave $1259.10 (18 sets of patches =990points)(660points on one leg and 330 points on your payleg) and you make $50.00. Plus the $12.50 first level, $10.00 second level, $10.00 third level matching bonus.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 | 12:40 AM
energypoints said:

"Hello again. I don't want to read all 126 pages of this forum so for the main characters, do you think the patches overall have an effect besides the possible placebo?"

The short answer is, "No." The long answer is, "Hell no!"

"I just want to get an general idea of why this forum exsists. I want to know why a person like Lance Armstrong who can chose to use any product in the entire world and also not to use any product, decided to try the Lifewave patches. No one can just tell Lance to try something and he'll try it because of that."

Do you have ANY evidence at all that Lance Armstrong has EVER worn LifeWave patches? No, David Schmidt's claims are NOT evidence. Got anything from Armstrong himself to the effect that he even knows what LifeWave is?

By the way, do you think that the fact that Lance Armstrong's heart is 50% larger than normal for a man his size has anything to do with his amazing stamina? Or weren't you aware of this fact which has been stated more than once on the Tour de France telecasts (and elsewhere)?

"These patches have an effect on the body guys. Are you trying to say that they don't?"

Snapping a mouse trap on your penis will have an effect on the body, too. So what? Damn near EVERYTHING "has an effect" on the human body. Simply sticking those stupid little plastic patches on yourself "has an effect" on your body. Bottom line: there is NO objective evidence that LifeWave has any positive effect on the human body which can't be accounted for by the placebo factor.

Nice try, though. Thanks for playing our little game. There are lovely parting gifts waiting for you offstage.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 | 12:50 AM
energypoints said:

"This new patch with trigger the production of glutathione in your body. Now if that requires cysteine, I'm guessing it will be addressing that problem."

The most important words in that posting are "I'm guessing." I think you do a LOT of guessing with respect to LifeWave's claims.

The problem, I believe, is that you begin from the starting point of believing that they do what David Schmidt's claims they do when you SHOULD start by asking if they work at all. That's the most appropriate starting point if you really want to seek the truth.

I don't think you're a bad guy. I think you're a person who bought into a scam and is rationalizing his participation to the point of desperately trying to ignore the salient points we bring up here. Your behavior is pretty typical for people who invest in scams; no one, after all, wants to think they were taken for a fool.

If it sometimes seems to you that some of us skeptics are (metaphorically) shaking our heads at you, that's because we are. This may be all new to YOU, but to those of us who follow this kind of thing, there's nothing really new about the LifeWave thing. Do a Google search some time for "laundry balls" to see a recent example of another scam into which people sank a lot of money, only to lose it when the bubble burst. Laundry Balls, by the way, are only one of many, many scams that have passed through the U.S. over the past century or two.

In the World O' Scams, only the pitch changes. Just below the surface, the same crap lurks time after time.
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 | 02:00 PM
Energypoints, other people here were kind enough to answer some of your questions and challenges. Please be kind enough to answer two questions which were posed to you:

1. Who is the star woman ultramarathoner whom you claim is using your patches?

2. Why do you think David Beckham gets astrology readings?
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 | 02:03 PM
. . .

3. What evidence do you have that Lance Armstrong is using (or used before he retired from competitive racing) Lifewave patches?
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 | 11:00 PM
Energypoints:

It's interesting that you say that Lance Armstrong has tried the patches. According to numerous Lifewave distributor websites, Q: Who has worn the patches? A: some members of the 2004 U.S. Tour de France team, "but not Lance Armstrong." E.g., http://www.quikonnex.com/channel/item/12277.
What a difference a "not" makes, doesn't it?

So now I ask you, with apologies to you and your posting on this page: "I want to know why a person like Lance Armstrong who can chose to use any product in the entire world and also not to use any product, decided not to use the Lifewave patches." Are you suggesting that Lance Armstrong is not in good enough shape to feel the effects of the patches, as you have suggested about others? With further apologies to you and your posting on page 125: "You can't stop the TRUTH!"

I have no idea whether Mr. Armstrong has tried the patches. Of course, whether he tried the patches doesn
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 | 06:44 AM
Joel

"...Lifewave distributors lack credibility, and many of you probably come up woefully short in the honesty department as well."

We have seen, time after time, that honesty in advertising has never applied to the LifeWave scam. Making money is the #1 motivator. Saying and doing whatever it takes to get a person to hand over the cash is at the heart of LifeWave LLC.

When this scam is over, there will be some who will shake their heads asking "How could I have been so gullible?" Why not you? It happens to thousands of people every day with all manner of product and promises.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 | 09:19 PM
energypoints

Nothing more to say?

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Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 02:39 AM
Love and respect to everyone, from Serbia, place where mixture of fun & irony never stop, just like in M o H's "Lifewave story"
Scam is a fradulent or deceptive act or operation, being involved with Lifewave since 12.05.didn't have
"scam" impression at all. And do not feel need to
try to understand what kind of feeling Dr.Gruenwald have, http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwdoctor.htm
even if He didn't have nobody to repurchase.
Lifewave is just another product on the market, that people buy or they don't, just like cigarettes.
Maybe someone will someday sue Lifewave for having
cancer.
People can believe only in things that have never happened.
Truth in the other hand is something we either know, or we don't. I can only say, Lifewave
Energy Enhancer and Rest Quiet are products that
I'm personally feeling as described, every time they're used.
And would like to say that, anyone who tells me
how I actually " only believe " what I feel,
just have a very bad taste.

Pete
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 06:23 AM
Pete

"Lifewave is just another product on the market, that people buy or they don't, just like cigarettes."

If cigarettes were only sold through a multi level marketing company at highly inflated prices, they might be more like the patches.

Your ability to be scammed in Serbia is no different from a persons ability to be scammed in any other location on earth.

Can you provide any evidence that the patches do what is claimed, other than your personal experiences?

Have you read this entire forum?

It is possible (has been demonstrated) that real effects can be experienced from a placebo.

Lifewave may eventually be successfully sued if someone can show that a person died from sleep apnea as a result of relying on the sleep patches and not seeking the professional help they needed.

The only fun in the LifeWave LLC story is had by David Schmidt as he spends the money his "workers" send him on a monthly autoship basis.

Regards from the USA

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Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 09:50 AM
EDH from UK,
"If cigarettes were only sold through a multi level marketing company at highly inflated prices, they might be more like the patches."
Are you shifting your position from flat out hater, to somebody who is complaining how LIFEWAVE's prices are too high ?
What difference does it make on how were cigarettes sold ?
If they were MLM'ed, would they became Placebo too ?

"Your ability to be scammed in Serbia is no different from a persons ability to be scammed in any other location on earth."
Not according to some noble Brit, who stated month ago that Serbs are dummest nation in Europe.
According to me, your ability to underestimate my
abylities, and your humble try to convince me how
you know better what I feel than myself, are unsung.
"Can you provide any evidence that the patches do what is claimed, other than your personal experiences?"
Am I selling something here ???
As for my personal experience, what more can I ask for, than what my body feels ?
If my statement isn't enough, than you calling me a Liar.
And part in which I am actualy lying myself, because, what my body feels during and after use of LIFEWAVE is just oldfashioned placebo
effect, instead of technology that consists of orthomolecular organic structures that passively interact with the human body for the purpose of inducing electron flow and thermomagnetic frequency modulation.
"Have you read this entire forum?"
That would be incredible waste of time.
"It is possible (has been demonstrated) that real effects can be experienced from a placebo."
I was born without ability to believe, but I feel you.
"Lifewave may eventually be successfully sued if someone can show that a person died from sleep apnea as a result of relying on the sleep patches and not seeking the professional help they needed."
Whatever happen' with LIFEWAVE, is not going to be
in connection with you, or your benefit by any
stretch of imagination.
Let me ask you another couple of questiones.
Did you ever seek professional help ?
Does the person have to be British or American in
order to tell others what to do ?
"The only fun in the LifeWave LLC story is had by David Schmidt as he spends the money his "workers" send him on a monthly autoship basis."
Do you think that Dr.David Schmidt would like to
know do you have more fun spending your money or
your time ?

Regards from Jewpiter
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 11:30 AM
Peter

"Are you shifting your position from flat out hater..."

Hate has nothing to do with a company selling a bogus product through a MLM scam.

"...Serbs are dummest nation in Europe."

What has that to do with LifeWave LLC?

"As for my personal experience, what more can I ask for, than what my body feels ?
If my statement isn't enough, than you calling me a Liar."

No one is calling you a liar. You experienced something. However, you have assumed that your experience was caused by the LifeWave patches. That assumption is suspect.

"And part in which I am actualy lying myself, because, what my body feels during and after use of LIFEWAVE is just oldfashioned placebo..."

If you had read the forum, you would have read the study information about placebo effect. You would know that "old fashioned placebo effect" is now a redundant term. The placebo effect can and does bring about REAL changes in the human body.

"Have you read this entire forum?"
"That would be incredible waste of time."

The reason for my question is very straightforward. Many LifeWave users/believers post here for time to time. They raise the same questions and make the same bold statements. Had you read the forum, you would see that you have brought nothing new to the discussion.

It can also be stated that if you consider it would be a waste of time to read the forum, it would also be a waste of time to read any comments you make on this forum.

It could also be stated that this forum's past posts are part of history. Do you believe we cannot learn anything by looking at history?

"Am I selling something here ???"

I don't know...are you selling LifeWave patches as a distributor or are you new to the scam? If not yet, you will soon be encouraged to get on board and be a distributor. David Schmidt has had to cast his net very wide for new raw talent to keep him in the lifestayle he has become accustomed to.

As a European, how does it feel to be duped by an American?

Would this be you?
http://musicv2.com/artist/yupiter

Best wishes,
EDH UK

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 11:38 AM
Peter

"Besides being a DJ YuPiter from Jewpiter is : President and founder of " Nanotech " LLC."

How interesting. At least you are an unbiased third party to the LifeWave debate.

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