The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 11:43 AM
Peter,
This also helps us to gain an understanding of your thought processes and reasoning.

Thank you.

http://forums.xt3.com/vbulletin/printthread.php?t=1950&pp=40

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 11:53 AM
Peter,(Hed Kandi)

Seems that other people are beginning to get an insight into your reasoning:

"Ill have an ounce of what you're smoking please!!!"

"To put it bluntly...
What in the hell are you on about?!
Please enlighten us..."

Doesn't bode too well for a rational, scientific, in depth, insightful explanation of the LifeWave glucose (brown) and glycerin(white) patches.

Keep on spinnin'

Cheers.
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energypoints
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 12:40 PM
Wow, yeah even I have to agree with the guys on this one. What planet is this guy from and how did he get involved with Lifewave?

Anyway. So you asked me for some sort of proof that Lance Armstrong is using the patches. The site that said the whole team except Lance was before his last race. From what I have been told, he waited until after the last race so there would be less to write about over in France.

My proof comes in the form of a video clip on the front page of my website. It's on the bottom right, click on it, fast forward to about 7:00 minutes. You should see a major San Antonio News station talking about the patches.

Also, if you want to know if they have an effect on the body, check out somewhere around 5:00 minutes into it where you'll see the doctors talking about it.

There's no question that the patches work guys. My ultramarathoner wore them in the Sahara for her 151 mile race. She wore both the energy and sleep patch systems. This is one of the top 5 female ultra runners in the world. She knows her body and pushes it to the extreme all the time. She said that she never recovered so quickly and never slept so good in the dessert as she did this past time. By the way, if you want to know who it is, she's won the race in the Sahara before. The only American ever to do that by the way. You can try to put the puzzle together and do some research. If you can't figure out who it is, I'll tell you eventually.

I don't understand how you can state that these patches are placebo, when I personally have a machine sitting in front of me that measures energy levels in the body. I've put this machine to use on countless "test subjects" to do my "due dilligence" as some of you might say. ON EVERY SINGLE PERSON, after the energy patches were applied, the reading showed a balancing effect on all of the points of the body that it measured as compared to the reading without the patches.

Now I'm sure you'll come up with some cracked out way to say that my own study is skewed and bias because I'm in Lifewave. That's fine. I know you don't believe that a little nontransdermal patch can have a real effect on your body. That's fine too. I'm going to share Lifewave with every person that I come in contact with because I have PROOF that it works. Not only my own personal testimony but many others as well.

I just hope that once Lifewave becomes a household name like the OS you have in your PC, you'll have the common sense to shut this silly site down. It really is kind of silly.

Amen??
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 03:49 PM
Energypoints,

I'm not interested in guessing games, although you may be amusing yourself with them. Nor do I know what website you are referring to.

"I personally have a machine sitting in front of me that measures energy levels in the body." Do you have any idea what this machine is actually measuring, and how? If you post the schematics for it somewhere on your website wherever that is, I might be able to tell you.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 04:52 PM
energypoints

"Wow, yeah even I have to agree with the guys on this one. What planet is this guy from and how did he get involved with Lifewave?"

And yet, I think of you and him both basking in the same bright light of delusion.

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 05:27 PM
"I personally have a machine sitting in front of me that measures energy levels in the body."

I think energypoints has fallen for two scams!

The only instrument I know that can measure energy levels in the body is a thermometer and that's only if you stick it...ummm... well you know.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 05:48 PM
Energypoints, when you use your machine to demonstrate Lifewave on a new potential customer, do you have to use Vaseline and a new pair of latex gloves each time?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 06:53 PM
energypoints

http://www.terrischneider.net/books/html/articles.html

Couldn't see any mention of LifeWave patches.
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Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 07:46 PM
EDHUK,
" This also helps us to gain an understanding of your thought processes and reasoning.

Thank you. "

http://forums.xt3.com/vbulletin/printthread.php?t=1950&pp=40

Or,what else are you going to use, to try cover your
inability to proove LIFEWAVE is a scam.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 08:18 PM
EDHUK,
" Seems that other people are beginning to get an insight into your reasoning "
My reasoning is powered by truth, and yours is powered by belief.
That is why you feel importance of your activity, on this forum.
People who feel effects of LIFEWAVE, do not need
your beliefs, and reason to waste their time with you.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 | 08:23 PM
Peter

"My reasoning is powered by truth.."

Thank you for demonstrating your delusion.

A delusion is a false belief that is impervious to logical argument.

I "believe" you have demonstrated this point very nicely.

Keep on spinning DJ.

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Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 | 02:43 AM
EDHUK,
" This also helps us to gain an understanding of your thought processes and reasoning.

Thank you. "
Can you be more precise, and volunteer some explanation about what is "This", that helps "us"
(whoever that might be, that have you as their rep)
gain feeling about " where am I coming from "

" Thank you for demonstrating your delusion.

A delusion is a false belief that is impervious to logical argument.

I "believe" you have demonstrated this point very nicely.

Keep on spinning DJ. "
What did I demonstrate and how ?
Until you proove LifeWave patches are placebo, that statement can't be anything else but a Belief.
And when I say LifeWave patches are producing
feeling that I've felt over, and over, truth is
that feeling, and it is not an assumption.
Your understanding and reasoning do not require
google to be felt, and understud. It is plain to
see, that your reasoning is censored by your hatred towards your Belief about LifeWave being
scam.
Can you explain to me again how can I understand
something that is happening inside my body,
to be a BELIEF, and on the top of that,
a belief that is FALSE ?
When you experiencing symptoms of Flu, Cold or any
other Illnes, do you BELIEVE you're sick, or
you KNOW you're sick ?
" keep on spinning DJ "
Telling people what to do is very unpolite.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 | 03:26 AM
energypoints, my nigga 😉

" Wow, yeah even I have to agree with the guys on this one. What planet is this guy from and how did he get involved with Lifewave? "
Yupiter( Peter from Yugoslavia )is from planet
Jewpiter, that is Earth's matrix, state of mind rather. State of mind able to process only the truth, and true love.
Jewpiter was the only logical name for that "state of mind/planet", and was derived from statement written in Matthew 16:17,18,19 and it's about some
Jew named Simon whose name was for future purposes, changed into "rock"(greek-Petros,english-Peter)by some dude
called Jesus whose birthplace was found by some
three wise geezers, that were following JUPITER (you know, the biggest planet in our Galaxy)
( according to science, as told by BBC )in order to find Messiah, whose birth was foretold by prophet Daniel whose prophecies can be easilly
googled and prooven as scam by EDHUK, a scam destroyer.
Very few people know that every word that dude Jesus've said, was the Truth.

Got involved with LifeWave in Cleveland, OH, US
where I've lived wonderfull 11 years, which is
naturaly none of your Biz, Cuz, you feel me ?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 | 09:29 AM
Peter,

I admire anyone who learns a second language. You are obviously talented as your mixing of music demonstrates on your web page.

However, you continue to misunderstand my points.

As I have previously stated:

"No one is calling you a liar. You experienced something. However, you have assumed that your experience was caused by the LifeWave patches. That assumption is suspect."

Also:

"If you had read the forum, you would have read the study information about placebo effect. You would know that "old fashioned placebo effect" is now a redundant term. The placebo effect can and does bring about REAL changes in the human body."

You continue to believe that the REAL effects you have experienced are caused by the patches. THAT is where you are deluded. I am saying that your belief that the patches do something (anything) is a false belief; a delusion that we cannot change through logical arguments.

You have NO WAY to demonstrate that the patches bring about ANY kind of effect. NOBODY has been able to demonstrate ANY effects from the glycerin and glucose patches.

If you were able to demonstrate such a thing you would be eligible to apply for James Randi's Million dollars. You would win the money.

Please don't ask us "who is James Randi?"

Read this forum for the answers to EVERY question you have raised. You have told us NOTHING NEW. It has all been posted here before you.

"...and prooven as scam by EDHUK, a scam destroyer."

You are very generous in making such a statement. I do not consider myself to be a scam destroyer. There are people, like Bob Burtis of WWSN who have busted many scams and he will bust the LifeWave scam.

Keep on spinning (mixing) as you seem to be very good at it. Correction. It is my belief that you are very good at it. Others might say you are totally useless at it.

Regards.

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Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 | 11:43 AM
I told you guys to get energypoints an intervention, he has the brains of a "pickled turnip".He and Yupiter from Jewpiter are drone worker-bees who have been infected with a virus to just buzz around here like flies. Hey enegypoints and yupiter, have you guys been to http://www.hawaiionline.biz and read some of the other facts about Lifewave? Look at the one in the left hand corner about "Dr."David Schmidt and the one in the right corner written by me: Denver Lifewaver.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 | 02:33 PM
Hey, Yupiter, if you sincerely believe that the LifeWave patches are anything other than a placebo, why don't you apply for the JREF Million Dollar Prize?

Mr. Randi's able testers will set up a protocol to determine once and for all whether or not LifeWave is anything other than small plastic patches filled with irrelevant liquids.

You prove your point, you win a million dollars. Pretty cool, huh?

PLEASE do not trot out the tired old nonsense about how the tests will be "rigged." The protocol and procedures are agreed to in advance by all parties. There is no "rigging." There is no ambiguity about the outcome. Either they work or they don't. Period.

The fact that you believe that you feel benefits from wearing the patches means nothing scientifically. One person doesn't constitute enough of a test group to be meaningful. Plus, anecdotal evidence isn't really evidence. Let's do this the right way. Apply for the Prize and settle the issue.

I await your excuse(s).
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 | 05:54 AM
Peter,
You silence is deafening!

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 | 07:08 AM
Peter,

Here is the report on the real effects from a pain placebo.

Difficult to believe, but true. You believe in truth don't you?

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwecono.htm

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Joel
Member
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 | 10:23 AM
Peter/Yupiter,

If you haven
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 | 07:50 AM
EDHUK,
My #1 Priority is my life, exchanging experiances
with you, and other nice people here is very small
part of it. Compared to Formula 1.
The truth is that you've said that placebo in fact
produces some physical effect. That's all the truth I need, can't believe you, but I know you've said it.
Museum of Hoaxes should be about Scams that are finished long time ago. As of right now, until stoped by Federal authorities for Lying to
public, falsely presenting product they're
selling, and many other Law violation,
LifeWave LLC is Legitimate business.
And you are a sore loser.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 | 08:15 AM
Joel,
( great name, cause it belongs to one of Human kind's biggest Prophets )
It's quite important for you to understand, how,
the truth about who is David Schmidt ? is something
I do not need to know, in order to buy product He's
selling.
I am Diehard Honda Motors junkie, and know very little about Honda family.
I do not believe Patches are good, I know that.
All we need to do are our things, and future will bring the truth on a silver platter.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 | 10:35 AM
Peter,

"The truth is that you've said that placebo in fact produces some physical effect. That's all the truth I need, can't believe you, but I know you've said it."

So are you saying that the new research on placebo's done in the USA is false? How do you propose to prove that the research is false?

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwecono.htm

The research clearly demonstrated that people receiving nothing more than salt water (saline)received pain control. In the PET scan machine their brains showed changes demonstrating that they were making there own natural painkillers. These are facts that can be challenged but proven true by the evidence from the researchers.

In sharp contrast, David Schmidt has made outrageous claims about his qualifications, his knowledge and his "inventions". He is not able to verify even one item from his list.

You experienced an effect and misguidedly attributed the effect to the patches. The effect you felt came from YOU and YOU alone. You are paying a scam artist good money every month for an effect that YOU are giving yourself. THAT is why this is a scam.

Please tell us if you think the study on placebo effect done in the USA last year is true or false.

Thank you Peter,

Dave
EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 | 12:32 PM
Peter,

Just in case you haven't heard of "The Economist" here is another link reporting the first of its kind placebo study last year by ABC News:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1467634.htm

"The study provides the "first direct evidence" that the administration of a placebo with presumed analgesic properties activates pain and stress inhibitory systems in the brain "through direct effects on the mu-opioid receptors", the researchers write."

Yes, Peter, it has now been conclusively demonstrated that a person can bring about an effect in their body by believing the medicine or patch will do what is claimed.

Of course, it won't work for everyone. Some of us would be far too skeptical!

Cheers,

EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 | 12:35 PM
Peter,
I'm guessing your words were lost in translation?

"I do not believe Patches are good, I know that."

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 | 05:56 PM
LifeWave website

At least David Schmidt is careful to give correct information on the company website:

Valerie Stevens
Los Angeles, California

On the Homepage singing the praises of the Restquiet patch.

Shelia Bryan, Banning, California

Here she is again or maybe it's her twin!

And to think they paid to have it done.

Still, it's only your money LifeWavers, so it doesn't really matter.

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Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 03:49 AM
EDHUK,
" You experienced an effect and misguidedly attributed the effect to the patches. The effect you felt came from YOU and YOU alone. You are paying a scam artist good money every month for an effect that YOU are giving yourself. THAT is why this is a scam. "

This is your BELIEF,that YOU share with REST of
scam-fighters. Until COURT OF LAW, that deals with
consumer rights prooves that DAVID SCHMIDT COMMITED
ANY WRONGDOING, as Founder and CEO of LifeWave LLC,
YOUR claim about everything within LifeWave LLC,
being a scam is nothing else but ILLUSION.

" Peter,
I'm guessing your words were lost in translation?

"I do not believe Patches are good, I know that."

? "

I've asked you many questiones that you've never
bothered to answer, and I've answered all of your
questiones you've never bothered to acknowledge.
I know patches are good.
I know I am alive.
I know who my Parents are.
I know everything that happened in my Life ( Now,
HOW & WHY ? did it happened, is different ball-game )
I know what I like, and what I don't like.
I know what I feel, and what I don't feel.
I know, that I am not able to BELIEVE.
and list goes on and on, while I'm trying to
explain to you difference between " know " and
" believe ".
hcmomof4
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 04:28 AM
I know I'm severely confused...
hcmomof4
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 04:29 AM
Oh, yeah... and I believe that it's Yupiter's fault...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 05:42 AM
Peter,

"I do not believe Patches are good, I know that."

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So you believe the patches are BAD because you do NOT believe the patches are GOOD.

As I said, lost in translation. I was trying to be helpful.

"I know, that I am not able to BELIEVE."

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Are you are a distributor of LifeWave patches?

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Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 06:28 AM
hcmomof4,

" I know I'm severely confused..."

Sorry to hear that !
Pete
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 06:31 AM
hcmomof4,

" Oh, yeah... and I believe that it's Yupiter's fault... "

No it is not, it's your IQ's fault, and you KNOW that.
Pete
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 06:51 AM
EDHUK,

BELIEVE -
1 a : to have a firm religious faith b : to accept as true, genuine, or real <ideals we believe in> <believes in ghosts>
2 : to have a firm conviction as to the goodness, efficacy, or ability of something <believe in exercise>
3 : to hold an opinion : THINK (I believe so)
transitive senses
1 a : to consider to be true or honest (believe the reports) (you wouldn't believe how long it took) b : to accept the word or evidence of (I believe you) (couldn't believe my ears)
2 : to hold as an opinion : SUPPOSE (I believe it will rain soon)
- be
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 07:04 AM
EDHUK,

" Are you are a distributor of LifeWave patches? "

Not as much as being a Magnet for Mentally challenged people with hidden agendas.

Now, do you :
a.) feel me ?
b.) believe me ?, or
c.) know what I'm talking about ?
Rolan Doobies
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 07:48 AM
I guess you cant save all of them. The herd needs thinning anyway.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 10:13 AM
Peter

"Not as much as being a Magnet for Mentally challenged people with hidden agendas."

As we were already here, you were drawn to OUR magnet, were you not?

There is NO hidden agenda.

THE AGENDA is to continue to state that LifeWave LLC is a scam company headed up by a fake scientist calling himself "Dr. Schmidt".

Nothing hidden, never has been.

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hcmomof4
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 02:43 PM
Pete, my IQ is responsible for my intellegence, not my mental state.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 | 06:38 PM
LifeWave Dictionary

Scam: A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle

Gullible: Naive and easily deceived or tricked;

Half-wit: A foolish or stupid person

Deluded: To deceive the mind or judgment of: fraudulent ads that delude consumers into sending in money

Fake: One that is not authentic or genuine; a sham

Rationalization: The cognitive process of making something seem consistent with or based on reason

Projection: The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or suppositions to others

Duh: Duh

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 03:20 AM
"As of right now, until stoped by Federal authorities for Lying to public, falsely presenting product they're selling, and many other Law violation, LifeWave LLC is Legitimate business."

Peter, I guess we do agree on some things!

It's an interesting way to look at "business".

Keep on selling until you are exposed as a scam. Works for LifeWave LLC. Limited Liability Company.

Limited Liability.

!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 03:25 AM
Limited Liability Company

"A popular choice for sole proprietors who are looking to incorporate simply to protect personal assets or secure additional loans, the LLC is thought to be one of the easiest and least expensive forms of ownership to organize."

"Owners of an LLC have limited liability for business debts.
For tax purposes, the allocation of profit and loss of an LLC need not be proportional to ownership interests.
With an LLC, there is no double taxation threat since the LLC is not a separate taxable entity.
You do not need to be a US citizen to own or invest in an LLC."
Waver
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 05:47 PM
Hey EDHUK long time no argue. Gald to see your still leading the charge. Somebodies got to keep Dr. Schmidt honest.

I'm still geting a check everyweek from LifeWave but am now focusing my energy on a fuel additive that increases gas milage by 12 to 20 %. Everyone wants to lower their fuel costs and it is very easy to prove that this one works.

Carry on. Tally ho. Later.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 06:50 PM
waver said:

"I'm still geting a check everyweek from LifeWave but am now focusing my energy on a fuel additive that increases gas milage by 12 to 20 %. Everyone wants to lower their fuel costs and it is very easy to prove that this one works."

Wow, do you have a tattoo that says "Mark" on your forehead? There's a long history of "MPH extending fuel additives" in this country, going back decades. The website that I know had a lot of information about this stuff seems to be defunct, so I couldn't link to it here, but I'll try to find some other place with the info so you can take a look at it.

One quick question: if there was such an additive, don't you think that at least one of the gas companies would offer a fuel with the stuff in it, perhaps at a slightly higher price? If not, why not?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 07:12 PM
Waver,

"I'm still getting a check everyweek from LifeWave"

As you have seen here previously, your check represents a tiny fraction of the money generated for "Dr. Schmidt" by sales of the placebo patches.

Still, it's good to see you owning up to your part of the scam. Info that will be useful when the day of judgement arrives!

As to the fuel additive...I'm sure you're on to a winner there! Best of luck. I'm so glad there are patriotic people like yourself willing to help alleviate the fuel problem.

Perhaps you could help the folks in the UK and Europe who passed the $7 a gallon mark recently. Mind you, they've been paying $5 a gallon for so many years that they had already changed many of their driving habits.

God forbid any American having to change their habits. Hummer's with a sole driver sucking up the gas should be the norm after all!

Hope you are well.

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 07:31 PM
Waver said:
"I'm still geting a check everyweek from LifeWave but am now focusing my energy on a fuel additive that increases gas milage by 12 to 20 %."

What good is that if gas prices go up 30 or 40% or more? It wouldn't make much difference. Besides, I heard Lifewave was going to be "bigger than Microsoft", a license to print money, as those guys keep telling us. Isn't that good enough?

Waver, gas mileage improvements are the oldest trick in the MLM book! Where have you been? What, do you live in a cave on a desert island or something? I can't wait to read about this one on WWSN. Hell, it's probably already there! Have you actually tried this additive? I'm sure we can come up with a simple test protocol to prove conclusively one way or another if the stuff works. Unless, that is, you don't really want to know...

Of course the brilliant chemical engineer who invented this stuff wouldn't want to just make a deal with a multi-national oil company to collect royalties from the sale of improved gas to tens of millions of motorists every day and then sit back and enjoy life from his ocean-front mansion in the Cayman Islands. No, he would rather spend his time working like a dog, in an office, running an MLM company, promoting and recruiting people like Waver, arranging autoshipping and doing books 15 hour a day, 7 days a week. He's doing it this way because he's a nice guy who wants to share his good fortune with a lot of people he doesn't even know.
hcmomof4
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 09:11 PM
I've heard that acetone increases gas milage by about 12%-20%, but since you can buy it at Wal-mart, there probably isn't too much of a MLM marketing opportunity, so this other additive is probably something way more advanced...

(Dang, pretty good, off topic and all in one sentence!)
hcmomof4
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 09:13 PM
And I didn't bother to preview...

*mileage
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 09:56 PM
Waver

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff179058.htm

Not this one is it?


http://www.quatloos.com/Tax-Forums/viewtopic.php?t=1003358&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=12&sid=8739bf98eca10fbea146dad25f402c42


Well, the name of AL FERGUSON pops up!

Good old Al. LifeWave patches, fuel, whatever.

http://www.4-ecorp.com/prelaunchinfo.php

http://www.4-ecorp.com/compplan/4ecompplan.htm

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 | 01:04 AM
No, EDHUK, it wasn't either of those. It was skepdics.com. Yeah, that's the way it was spelled and it had LOADS of information about specific scams, etc. I wonder where it went.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 | 01:06 AM
OK, I'm an idiot. I just checked--it's skepdic.com, singular, not plural and it's still there and looking as good as ever. There's lots of stuff on there about fuel additives and gimmicks, if I remember correctly. I'm going to go check it out now.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 | 01:11 AM
Here's a couple of direct links:

skepdic.com/refuge/insetfuel.html

skepdic.com/refuge/wyoming.html
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 | 01:14 AM
hcmomof4 said:

"I've heard that acetone increases gas milage by about 12%-20%, but since you can buy it at Wal-mart, there probably isn't too much of a MLM marketing opportunity, so this other additive is probably something way more advanced..."

Well, acetone MIGHT improve gas mileage but since it also eats its way through rubber and plastic, it's probably not the greatest idea to add that to your gas.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 | 01:16 AM
A quick correction on my part. When I said:

"There's a long history of "MPH extending fuel additives" in this country, going back decades."

I meant MPG, rather than MPH. Sorry.
hcmomof4
Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 | 03:20 PM
CMG,

The amount of acetone you add is supposedly too small to be a danger to the dissolvable parts. However, I'm not putting any in my car, just pointing it out.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 | 05:30 PM
I know this fuel thing is off the main topic of our good Dr Schister, but here's a point I read online.

Today's modern engines incorporate a fuel "feedback" system we all know as the Oxygen sensor and computer. When the system works perfectly it keeps the fuel to air ratio constant.

Any "changes" being attempted, additives etc., tend to be overridden by the computer.

These fuel saver gimmicks usually come with an enclosed sheet of "driving tips". You know the kind of thing, don't accelerate hard, don't brake hard, keep a constant speed on the highway, don't go above 55mph etc. etc.

If you try the tips BEFORE using the miracle fuel saver (whatever it is) your mpg figures actually improve, surprise surprise.

If you had put the "fuel saver" in the tank and followed the tips you might actually think the product was responsible.

Anyway, I guess if we are going to get into this fuel thing there should be a new thread?

Cheers,
Dave.
EDH UK

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 | 08:53 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/02/Autos/tipsandadvice/conned_for_mpg/index.htm

Thanks CNN
hcmomof4
Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 | 09:07 PM
Here, I'll tie our detour to our topic:
These fuel saver gimmicks usually come with an enclosed sheet of "driving tips". Hmmmm, sounds like "the muscle building patch must be used as part of a weight lifting program and the face lift patch with the included face cream from France".
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 | 03:36 AM
hcmomof4 said:

"CMG,

The amount of acetone you add is supposedly too small to be a danger to the dissolvable parts. However, I'm not putting any in my car, just pointing it out."

Since most people wouldn't know how much acetone in my gas it "too much," yeah, I'd say it's a real good idea not to put any in.
Rolan Doobies
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 | 03:50 PM
i tried the acetone in a diesel and gas engine... 4 tankfuls for each... no change.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 | 04:33 PM
Rolan, CMG, hcmomof4, Captain Al, Waver etc. etc.

Seems like it's time to have the full half hour interview.

I've started it here:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/1478/

Personally, a pill you stick in your tank sounds mighty fishy, eh?

Cheers,
Dave
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Waver
Member
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 | 07:57 AM
I'm there dude, with some info.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 | 04:48 PM
Waver: . . . and you believe in the efficacy of this MPG gas pill every bit as much as you believe in the efficacy of LifeWave's miniature cell phones made out of honey and glycerine, right?

Would your initials be DRL? Or are there a number of you LifeWave distributors who are moving on to hawking gas pills now that the Lifewave scam is winding down?
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