The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 | 06:26 PM
Peter,

"My state of mind, that I've named " Jewpiter " does not have ability of Believing. Which is why we don't understand eachother."

I think we understand you much better than you can possibly imagine.

Good luck Peter.

Dave
EDH UK
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Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 | 11:33 PM
Dave, EDH UK,

" I think we understand you much better than you can possibly imagine.

Good luck Peter."

I love British sense of humor, and Sarcasm as It's
integral part, but you are Far from being comedian. Your weakness, displayed in pulling things out of context, and trying to portrait me
as mentaly challenged person is cute.
Did you really need to insert " think we " part ?
Does hiding behind group makes you stronger ?
As long as LifeWave LLC function just like any
other Company on the market, selling products to
satisfied customers, it is truly irrational calling that a Scam, because you guys don't like their products, or their management.
If LifeWave LLC end up going "tits up", I'll be
the first one to come back here, and congratulate
you guys.
Until then, or 2007, whichever comes first, I wish
all of you good luck, and thanks for new experience !!

regards

Pete
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 | 02:24 PM
"Now, you reserve your right to like it or not, and to solicit other people not to buy it under poster name " Razela ". I'm not sure what would happen if you go out Publicly with your REAL NAME, calling
Michael Collins and David Schmidt Criminals, Tiefs
etc."

I'm not sure I really understand what you are saying. Are you saying that I can't call lifewave a scam if I am anonymous?

Sorry, you're english is pretty good, but I want to make sure I understand before I respond.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 | 07:09 PM
Peter,

"How do you like this statement :
I am not able to believe in LifeWave Energy Enhancer Patch effect, but I feel, therefore I know, Effect indeed Exist."

Sorry you have been totally unable to follow what has been posted here many, many times.

SOme people MAY experience an effect. But, it DOESN'T mean that the patch is the CAUSE of the effect.

That is precisely what the new research on placebo's has demonstrated.

Even though subjects were receiving salt water through a drip (a placebo pain medication) they experienced REAL pain control. PET scans of the subject's brains showed they were making their OWN pain killers while believing they were receiving pain killer medication in the drip.

You experienced an effect. No one is arguing that you didn't. What we are saying is that you are not able to 100% conclusively prove that the patches CAUSED the effect.

"...trying to portrait me
as mentaly challenged person is cute..."

I am NOT trying to present you as mentally challenged, (or even paint you as such) true though that may be. I do find you to be mentally challenging, which is a totally different thing.

You are willing to perpetrate this scam on your fellow countrymen and actually feel pleased about it.

Dave
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 02:52 AM
Dave,

Time is an Illusion,there is only destiny.
And mine is, to quit communicating with everyone
on this forum, until Lifewave LLC destiny is revealed.
Some time in June " Facelift patch " will be introduced, whose effect is going to be VISUAL on
outside of the skin of user, so there will be no need for speculation.
You did not answer so many questiones of mine, that I've found it totaly useless of continuing discussion.
I am happy if you're happy, and if this what you
do makes you happy, that's what counts !
I've explained very clearly why I am not, and can not be charged as scam artist, If you want to judge me, and call me that, fine, I don't have choice but to respect your feeling.

Best wishes to You and to everyone on this great forum, I'm fading out. Peace !

regards
Pete from Jewpiter
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 03:30 AM
Razela,
me :
"Now, you reserve your right to like it or not, AND to solicit other people not to buy it, under poster name "Razela" "
you :
" I'm not sure I really understand what you are saying. Are you saying that I can't call lifewave a scam if I am anonymous? "

Of course you CAN !!
You can go around and under real name sharing your opinion with world about Lifewave LLC products being useless, for you.( Just take a look at comercials, like " Ford is garbage, buy Chevy "

But, to go public ( with your real name, address, company etc.) and acuse LifeWave LLC of being
fraud, and Mike or David of being Criminals, without facts to prove that, chances are, you would be slapped with Lawsuit.
All that Mr.Randi and Mr.Burtis are doing is trying to discredit technology and some people from LifeWave management, as unreliable.

Please don't respond, but go on with your crusade,
and good luck !

Pete from Jewpiter
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 03:33 AM
Dang, I have incredible amounts of respect for Pete, for his relative mastery of English. It must have been tough to learn, since it would appear that Jewpiter is way out there in the solar system...

(And just to clarify, I am genuine in feeling his English is good. I'm in California, where the debate is raging over if we should expect students to have learned 9th and 10th grade English as a requirement for graduation from high school. Guess which side I'm on!)
explorer1
Member
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 03:37 PM
back to EDUHUK's comment:

"You experienced an effect. No one is arguing that you didn't. What we are saying is that you are not able to 100% conclusively prove that the patches CAUSED the effect." Even though subjects were receiving salt water through a drip (a placebo pain medication) they experienced REAL pain control. PET scans of the subject's brains showed they were making their OWN pain killers while believing they were receiving pain killer medication in the drip."

First of all would you be to kind as to cite-What study is this and where can it be found?

Secondly, if we accept this premise , even though we can't prove what is in the patches, how possible is it that Dave Schmidt invented what he claims he did? (with 2 years University experience !) The believers throw out the rationale that if this was not a true product- how could Governemnt controls like the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission-I guess they are traded now)- FTC (Federal trade Commission)and Attorney General not be involved in exposing them as a scam?

Your answer ? -----

The biggest problem I have is that they are not properly representing what they are selling. Nano antaneas, my foot. Combine that with lying at the top levals (DR Schmidt) and even though folks may be getting real or imagined benefits the ethics and greed of the company outweighs my ability to recommend, promote or sell it ! However, it looks like I am in the minority.....
others claim if there are benefits being achieved, it outweighs the rest.

On another note, I did do a test with the patches and gave the Energy ones to a friend to test, without supporting him with ANY literature. He tested them for several days and got NO benefits. Then I asked him to continue the test and gave him the literature to read. His results, still nothing. While this is certainly not a double blind placebo test and the test sample is only one, I thought it interesting.
While this is not controlled or scientific, I am formulating an idea that the ones who gain the most are the ones who are less skeptical. Belief systems seem to also play a part.
explorer1
Member
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 03:46 PM
By the way- here is their release info on the SKIN PATCH cited by Yupiter-
"As you know, our Lifewave Technology is a revolutionary one, with incredibly far-reaching possibilities for improving the lives of people everywhere. Most of us know someone who has had a remarkable experience with one of our products-someone whose life has been changed for the better.
When we launched our company into network marketing history, we began with the first of its kind, non-transdermal LifeWave Energy Enhancer patch technology. We followed our success with the ever popular non-drug alternative for sleep, Rest Quiet. And in January we saw life-changing experiences when we introduced our pain relieving product IceWave.
And now LifeWave is pleased to announce that our remarkable beginning was just a warm up for
The LifeWave NanoTechnology Skin Care System
Beauty from the inside out

Unlike most skin care systems that focus only on covering up the signs of aging by applying non-effective creams, the LifeWave Skin Care System is a new approach; completely revolutionary and different from anything else that you have ever seen before:

1) The LifeWave Non-Transdermal Skin Care patch - This is a single patch system that you only need to wear no more than 3 days per week. We have shown through blood and urine clinical studies that this patch elevates Glutathione levels (the master antioxidant) and massively detoxifies the liver, starting within the first 24 hours of use. The result is that the skin ON YOUR ENTIRE BODY will become cleaner, more radiant, and silky smooth within the first few days to weeks of use. This is now a new way of getting antioxidants into your body to improve your health and appearance without having to swallow pills or drinks.

2) LifeWave C-Serum - We consulted with biochemists from around the world. Our goal was to come up with a topical system that would compliment our newest LifeWave patch. We are now working with a scientist that has 35 years of development experience in skin care and has designed for us an antioxidant/hydration system not available anywhere else on the market. This Vitamin C serum is completely stable and helps to protect the skin from the damaging effects of UV light. In addition, Hyaluronic Acid is utilized to hydrate the skin. This serum is non-greasy and easy to apply.

3) LifeWave Facial Moisturizer - This incredible product both helps to hydrate the skin and deliver the polypeptides that are needed for the skin to experience an increase in collagen synthesis. The result is a very rapid reduction in the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles. This product will help to both protect the skin from future damage and provide you with a more radiant and pleasing appearance.

Our patch is designed to detox the body for a more radiant appearance and elevate the Glutathione that is needed by the body to protect the skin from future damage. The Vitamin C Serum will also protect the skin and provide improved hydration. The Moisturizer will provide superior hydration while delivering the nutrients needed for reducing fine lines and wrinkles. Within days your skin will look refreshed, renewed and revived!

LifeWave is pleased to announce that we will be launching our Skin Care System from Tokyo on June 15th. Inventor and CEO David Schmidt will be on hand to introduce our distributors to this breakthrough technology and disclose all the details behind our revolutionary skin care product.

During this introductory period, the Lifewave Skin Care System will be in limited release. In recognition of the leadership of our Team Leaders, LifeWave will only sell the system to Team Leaders during this time.
Interesting how they choose to launch this one with other cremes etc
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 03:51 PM
We have shown through blood and urine clinical studies that this patch elevates Glutathione levels

Just out of curiousity, has anyone ever seen these studies?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 05:32 PM
explorer1

I started posting here last year in July as a result of looking at LifeWave after two friends started using the patches.

I was quite sure this whole thing is a scam then, and I have read nothing to cahnge my mind since. In fact, I have only reinforced my conviction that David Schmidt has flashed his sparkling eyes and bright smile at people and convinced them that he has rewritten physics.

The pain control study that came out last year is fascinating. You can find a copy of "The Economist" report at Bob Burtis's WWSN site.

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwecono.htm

Here are some more links about the same study:

http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2005/placebo.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166662,00.html

http://www.psychiatry.ufl.edu/education/Med neuroscience/Pain Studies Illuminate the Placebo Effect.pdf

http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-pain-placebo-brain_5992.html
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 05:34 PM
explorer part II

"Secondly, if we accept this premise , even though we can't prove what is in the patches, how possible is it that Dave Schmidt invented what he claims he did? (with 2 years University experience !)"

Let me be absolutely clear. I don't believe David Schmidt has the mental ability to invent anything. He has even copied the MLM scam method.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

Muscle building patches that require a concurrent weight lifting program...DUH.

Face lift patches that require concurrent cream...DUH.

The inventions are banal.

When times get tough at home, get on the road and sell to a market that, hopefully hasn't read the real scoop on the scam.

David Schmidt in Tokyo June 2006.

Studies:

In the dim past, may "LifeWavers" boasted that many new studies would blow us away with amazing verifiable information.

Still waiting.

Coming after September 2005...

Coming after Christmas...

Coming in the New Year...

Coming in February, March, April, May...

Still waiting.

Meanwhile, if you take the time to look at the testimonials and email some of the names you get interesting replies.

I still haven't received word to give me permission to name names, but I will post here the following words in reply to my emails.

"...I never met Stan, and have to say with all the mass e mails from lifewave about this computer problem and all the transferring of data, creation of a new website ,etc. things are looking suspicious. ...I certainly and going to do some investigating now."

"NO....I have not endorsed them in over a year.
I didn't realize that they were. I will have to see what I can do to be removed. I am glad they are headed towards collapse before they scam anymore innocent people."

Anyone can send an email to people named on the website. It's generally not hard to find their email addresses.

Don't rely on people like me. Do your own due diligence/research. You may start to realize there is far more to this than meets the eye.

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 05:39 PM
From Jewpiter "Please don't respond, but go on with your crusade"

Only if you insist. But honestly, it's pretty obvious you didn't even read Bob's website since your comments make no sense at all.
explorer1
Member
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 06:20 PM
Jewpiter - Why don't you respond with what you don't understand rather than attacking . His comments make perfect sense, go read the abstract or if that is too complicated the
article synopsis.
EDHUK Thanks for the sites
ThermoMagnetic_Man
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 11:26 PM
Explorer1 wrote:
ThermoMagnetic_Man
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 | 11:26 PM
Maybe somebody else would like to email Dr. Nazeran and ask him whether he truly believes that Lifewave patches act like tiny little FM radio stations to send frequency modulated signals to the body, just like he claimed in his paper. His email address is easy to find. Maybe if somebody asks nicer than I did Dr. Nazeran will be more forthcoming in his response, and we can learn to what degree, if at all, he believes what he wrote. If he
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 | 11:14 AM
Thermomagnetic_Man

I congratulate you on taking the time to email some of the folks held up by LifeWave to be the solid reasons why Joe Public should shell out hard earned cash.

If more individuals were to do the same, I believe the group who "know" this to be a crock would grow very quickly.

Nazeran will be very defensive now. I doubt he would even reply, but I may drop him a line.

In the sub culture of MLM selling it appears quite easy to involve folks who will take the money until such time as the scam looks close to public revelation.

The Lauren DeRock horse study is a complete joke. Any science 101 class would have a field day (no pun intended) using the "study" as a way to demonstrate the do's and don't's of study design.

LifeWavers touted the "forthcoming" horse study earlier this year. It transpired that the study was completed and PUBLISHED last year in the AHVMA, the holistic version of the AVMA.

http://www.ahvma.org/
Dr. Carvel G. Tiekert, Executive Director

They "aspire" to being on a parr with the AVMA. It will not happen as long as they publish moronic studies of the DeRock quality without even the most basic attempt to look at the plausiblity of the premise. Dr. DeRock was even kind enough to give them clues, mentioning her MLM involvements.

The fact that Nazeran is now so defensive with you tends to make me believe he has slept with the wrong people and now realizes it! Patch or no patch.

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
ThermoMagnetic_Man
Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 | 12:41 PM
Dave, I agree with almost everything you said. When otherwise respectable professionals lend their name and credibility to something like Lifewave, a spotlight should be turned on them.

I'm not convinced, however, that Dr. Nazeran has yet concluded that he climbed into bed with the wrong people. He is still listed as a member of the "Advisory Council" on the Lifewave website. So he is still apparently hitching his wagon to theirs, and still staking his professional credibility on the concept of sugar and glycerine as tiny little complementary FM radio stations.

On the link you provided, the AVHMA touts as one of the benefits of membership: "Access to priceless information, including Journals." The DeRock horse study is indeed priceless, but probably for a different reason than the AVHMA thinks it is.

Cheers back at ya'.
ThermoMagnetic Man
Solly
Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 | 05:57 PM
I have just found this forum and I give top matrks to Capt Al as he is correct in his findings. I was sent an email about the harmony chip and I too did a search for Carlo Rubbia and had no trouble finding the info. The is clever or should I say dishonest marketing going on and if I was Carlo I would be sueing them for misuse of his name and research. Unless you are well versed in atomic pyschics and quantium mechanics you have no hope of understanding what Carlo's research is all about. Now how many members of the general public would have such specialised knowledge. It's a no brainer you won't even raise a sweat to work out that there ain't too many around. If by chance you are reading this forum Carlo I would seriously suggest sueing the arse off these pricks as they are ruining your name and research.

Solly
Jim S
Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 | 10:56 PM
EDHUK & your followers,

Keep on bashing LW all you want. We will be gaining momentum again very soon. I will admit and agree with Denver LW'er that we have been losing momentum because of the poor website transition and some lack of admin support staff, etc.

LW is taking care of this and the new skin care system will produce results you can now see. Since all the bashers don't beleive in what you can feel, then this is the patch for you becuase you can actually see the results. For most of you, seeing is believing.

Studies are being completed and may or may not be avialable for the genral public. Of course once they get published they are available for the general public. LW has to be careful to not make any claims about the product or the FDA or FTC can potentially step in and harm the company. So this is why the studies you want to see are being carefully analyzed before LW will release them.

Have any of you skeptics tried the other products. I know none of you have tried the energy patches. Why not try the pain patch or the sleep patch??

LW will be gaining momentum very soon and will be front and center on a number of TV network shows. We are already getting exposure in the media....check out SI this month. Anyone watch the today show with Barry Manilow?? And David Beckham continues to wear them!!

All you paid bashers can keep up your work but until you prove that LW does not work. Go ahead and prove that it does not work.

For all Lifewavers out there - please ignore the 5 or 6 paid bashers and Bob Burtis/James Randi worshippers. Lifewave is in an infancy stage and will be a household name in the next few years.

Join the wave now while it is still early!!
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 01:05 AM
Jim S,
Thank you so much for your input, I've needed you long time ago. Look @ couple pages back and see what
did these noble fierce warriors have unleashed upon my testimonial.
" EDHUK & your followers " 😊 geezer is probably poppin bubbly, or buying rounds & local pub for getting that label.
I got fantastic result with Race car drivers with
EE patch, huge impruvement in focus, alertness and
concentration in general.
I like saying from that LifeWave DVD that says :
" You just can't stop the truth. "
But then, as you can see, for some people that's not enough.

regards
Pete
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 01:28 AM
Jim S said:

"EDHUK & your followers,"

I don't know whethre EDHUK has ANY followers, but as for me, I wouldn't know the guy if I tripped over him. We just happen to agree about the LifeWave scam. I'd say I'm more of a fellow traveler than a "follower."

"Keep on bashing LW all you want. We will be gaining momentum again very soon. I will admit and agree with Denver LW'er that we have been losing momentum because of the poor website transition and some lack of admin support staff, etc."

How absolutely predictable. In fact, didn't someone say on this board that the excuses would be coming soon? The loss of "momentum" couldn't possibly be because people are catching on to the scam and the pool of suckers willing to believe in the ability of small plastic stickers to act as tiny radio antennas is drying up, right? Nah! Getting harder to unload that autoship, Jimbo?

"LW is taking care of this and the new skin care system will produce results you can now see. Since all the bashers don't beleive in what you can feel, then this is the patch for you becuase you can actually see the results. For most of you, seeing is believing."

Yup, that "skin care system" is going to fix EVERYTHING, allrighty! You know the "skin care system" that requires you to use skin CREAM along with the patches. Yeah, THAT "skin care system."

Wait, aren't the drug stores full of skin creams that you can use WITHOUT having to stick some stupid patches on your body? Why, it's almost as if the people at LifeWave Central know that the patches don't really do anything. Nah, that can't POSSIBLY be the case.

"Studies are being completed and may or may not be avialable for the genral public."

Yup, they'll be here ANY DAY NOW. Any day now. You know, just like the other reports that have been coming out any day now. Any day now.

"Of course once they get published they are available for the general public. LW has to be careful to not make any claims about the product or the FDA or FTC can potentially step in and harm the company. So this is why the studies you want to see are being carefully analyzed before LW will release them."

Yes, they're being carefully analyzed to make sure that all the misleading claims are within the parameters of the law. And you'll be able to read them ANY DAY NOW. Any day now.

"Have any of you skeptics tried the other products. I know none of you have tried the energy patches. Why not try the pain patch or the sleep patch??"

Well, you "know" wrong, Buster. Go back and read some of the early postings where I talk about getting some of the patches and giving them to my wife to try. I won't keep you in suspense; they did NOTHING. Nada. Zero.

"LW will be gaining momentum very soon and will be front and center on a number of TV network shows."

Got any names you'd like to give us? Or will they be available ANY DAY NOW?

"We are already getting exposure in the media....check out SI this month."

I assume you mean Sports Illustrated. What would we find if we read it? Is it written in secret invisible ink that we need special patches to read? Just asking?

"Anyone watch the today show with Barry Manilow?? And David Beckham continues to wear them!!"

Sorry, I don't get up that early. What are you claiming involved Barry Manilow and, presumably, LifeWave? Do you have any...oh, what's the word I want here? Oh, right, PROOF, that David Beckham wears LifeWave patches? And so what if he does? He may wear Fruit of the Loom underwear, also. Would that somehow "prove" that it was the cause of his success?

"All you paid bashers can keep up your work but until you prove that LW does not work."

Exactly who are you claiming pays us? The International Anti-LifeWave Cartel? Also, that wasn't a sentence. I think you're starting to lose it.

More...
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 01:30 AM
continued...

"Go ahead and prove that it does not work. "

Uh, here's a radical idea: How about YOU prove that your stupid little plastic patches DO work? See, that's how things go; YOU make a claim, YOU carry the burden of proof.

"For all Lifewavers out there - please ignore the 5 or 6 paid bashers and Bob Burtis/James Randi worshippers. Lifewave is in an infancy stage and will be a household name in the next few years."

Again, who, exactly, is supposedly paying any of us? Hey, here's a challenge for you. Prove that I've ever received one dime from anyone to get me to say that LifeWave is a fake and I'll give you double what I got. Yes, I'm serious about that. Go ahead, Pal, the ball's in your court. Put up or shut up.

As for LifeWave becoming a household name, that's entirely possible, but it will be as an example of a ridiculous scam that took money from a lot of gullible people.

"Join the wave now while it is still early!!"

Yup, get in line and hand over your hard-earned cash. Jimbo is ass-deep in patches he wants to unload.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 01:43 AM
"LW has to be careful to not make any claims about the product or the FDA or FTC can potentially step in and harm the company."

Yep, that's what the FDA and FTC is all about, harming companies that provide us with helpful products.

"please ignore the 5 or 6 paid bashers"

Hey, I've been bashing LW, I want my check!
Solly
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 03:06 AM
in reply to Jim S, man you really should see a shrink because it is obvious by your comments that you are delusional and living on some other planet. Talking about other planets I wonder if these patches were found at Rosewell along with UFO, alien bodies and all the other conspiracy and loony tune crap that is taking up some much space on the web and scaring the shits out of those with gullible minds minds. I work hard for my money I don't prey on the weak minded but just in case you are correct can you please tell me where I can send my details so I can get paid for bashing you wankers. I wonder has anyone got in touch with Carlo to see what he thinks of all this. When I find some time I think I will it certainly would be interesting to see what he has to say. I don't think he will be very impressed.
ThermoMagnetic_Man
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 09:15 AM
Jim, how in all the galaxy did you jump to the conclusion that the people who post here exposing LifeWave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 09:57 AM
Jim S

"EDHUK & your followers, Keep on bashing LW all you want."

WOW, what a way to wake up on a Sunday! Apparently I have followers! I don't think so.

Since last July I have spent a great deal of time at my computer as part of a career change. I've enjoyed my moments of relaxation during my study sessions and the comedy has kept my spirits up when the studying get's a little too hard for my ageing brain cells. I've posted FAR too many times (so my wife tells me) and she probably has a point.

Jim, I know you haven't read this entire forum, (and I appreciate it would take a long time to do so), because everything you have said has been posted here before. You have not made one single novel statement about the LifeWave scam. NOT ONE. Nothing original, nothing not cut and pasted from the LifeWave Bible of Schmidt. It would be oh so refreshing to read some NEW arguments.

If David Schmidt had used his two year business degree and his self conferred title of "Dr." to invent an amazing energy patch, don't you think that by now the studies from all around the world would be confirming the facts?

I would be trying them out for sure; who wouldn't want extra energy?

Wouldn't the company be doing a roaring trade? Why would they need to pin their future hopes of success on face cream and sleep patches?

I have no followers or vested interests that I am secretly keeping from you. Like others here, if I am being paid I would like my check!

Posters like Peter and Bill in Alaska have demonstrated that they seem to be very nice people who are "convinced" they have chosen the right MLM business. Your words bring temporary "hope" that maybe it's real after all.

At the very least you do Peter and Bill a disservice.

Dave

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explorer1
Member
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 01:32 PM
Ok, let me tell you how this brainwashing starts. It comes with the promise that you can start a business from home and help other people. And if you are honest and really do want to help others, and not too scientifically minded, it is not hard to buy into the brainwashinging. If you were like me, you had not even heard of nanotechnology, but when exposed to the "concept" you certainly believed in it being a new technology, capable of revolutionizing our world. Then you tried the patches and if you had the belief they worked it was quite possible you felt results via the placebo affect. I had no results intil I had worn them several days( the amount of time it took me to believe in them?) It has since then not been repeated) Other friends used them and they had some positive results Yes, the placebo affect is known to result in actual physiochemical reactions) So, I said to myself, boy these things work, I need to join. All the while I was conducting research, give some to one don't tell them what is is supposed to do...etc. Other friends were joining the wave that was taking us out to sea ! Then phase II of the brainwashing began, "go see our site" go to our group meetings. For the novice, the site looks professional and acts like it is legit. So, if you stop there, which initially I did, you simply believe that it is all backed up in science and that there are valid support documents. I mean we are all busy people, we can't check on everything right?
So, when things slowed down I started to do the due diligence I should have done before getting caught up. In other words, not believing the site just cause it claimed something.I read many if not ALL the World Wide Scam postings and links, I saw the patent application, I saw the one published article. etc. the horse study, etc. I read more about the body's electrical system, nanotechnology etc. and lo and behold I came to the grim conclusion I'd been had. I could actually support the patches, meaning buy them, if I got help from them (if they helped the placebo affect take affect) You can see in other literature, even established medicine gives claim to a combination of effects with prescription drugs. (part of the effect given to the placebeo factor) But, to buy into the lie that D.Schmidt invented such a ground breaking product with no creditials, no peer reviews, nothing thatn basically a bunch of testimonials was a bit hard to buy. To propigate to others the wonder of the "nano antanaes" is a story I just could not tell. Boil this all down and you have technology that IS, possible but not yet real backed up by a bunch of testimonials (we all know how reliable personal experience and observation is right ? - the 7 different stories of the same accident.

So putting all the name calling aside, why don't we deal with real facts we can prove or not. And those of you who have so much invested because you bought into the story, why don't you stop for a moment and question yourself and your motives and if this is all correct , can you continue to live with yourself, promoting a product, that will in the end hurt more than help. Of course, if you were in it for the money only, maybe you need not ask that question of yourself.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 01:52 PM
Yupiter...I thought you weren't going to post anymore
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 02:18 PM
Explorer 1, I think you have explained how a person gets caught up in a scam extremely well. I also think it takes a lot of integrity to admit that you personally got caught up in it and more than a little bit of objectivity and intelligence to be able to stand back and see the "big picture."

The ONLY part of your posting I would take exception with is when you say, "Boil this all down and you have technology that IS, possible but not yet real backed up by a bunch of testimonials."

If you're referring to the "nanotechnology/tiny FM antennas" thing, there's simply nothing in science to back that nonsense up. If you mean that a placebo can have a real effect on the human body, then yes, you have a valid point.

I sure hope that anyone who is considering putting some money into LifeWave is able to find your posting in the sea of words we've all contributed to here. I think they'd find it illuminating.
Will Henry
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 03:29 PM
I tried googling for Dan Stalfire, and all I found was some snake oil salesman -yes, from Dallas, TX - who is president of all sorts of companies trying trying to sell products of dubious worth. I invite you to try it.
Testimonials from this kind of person really make you wonder about a product
explorer1
Member
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 06:12 PM
Cranky- thanks for your note.
My error- the last part was not clear. I meant, that nanotechnology is real but it's application with the patches is non-existant unless you just believe D. Schmidt and Dr H.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 12:26 AM
Explorer 1 said:

"I meant, that nanotechnology is real but it's application with the patches is non-existant unless you just believe D. Schmidt and Dr H."

Thanks for clearing that up. Yes, nanotechnology is a real field of study, but it has NOTHING to do with the nonsense pitched by Schmidt.
ThermoMagnetic_Man
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 12:07 PM
Agreed - Nanotechnology is a real field of study. I've had some limited professional involvement with nanotechnology. The field is actually many fields, not one. Fascinating structures with very interesting properties are being developed, such as carbon nanotubes. The problems include figuring out what these structures are good for, and how to manufacture them and incorporate them into products in a practical, useful, and cost effective form. Some real products (almost exclusively commercial products as opposed to consumer products) are beginning to be produced. Initially at least, the hype far outstripped the substance.

I've seen several scam companies (Lifewave being one of them) invoke the word "nanotechnology" to try to create an aura of mystery and excitement and scientific breakthroughs to their products. I've also read that a few legitimate companies whose legitimate products have nothing to do with nanotechnology have changed their company names to include the word "Nano" or "Nanotechnology" just to catch a ride on the wave of hype.

Dr. Nazeran was totally mistaken when he somehow concluded that I was questioning nanotechnology in general. What I was questioning (well, maybe "deriding" would be a more accurate word) was his claim that Lifewave energy patches (which contain Sioux honey, Grandma molasses, and amino acids, per the Lifewave patent application and the Lifewave website which certifies that the patches are made in accordance with the patent application) qualify as nanotechnology, and in particular that they constitute "novel nanoscale semiconducting biomolecular antennas" as he stated in sentence #1 of his paper. I laughed my donkey off when, because I had the audacity to challenge him on those points, rather than saying that he honestly believed what he had written, he accused me of being "unAmerica" (that part is not reproduced above) and of causing Americans to be forced to move across the world and work in the manufacturing slums of Shanhai and New Delhi. SNL skits don
Jim S
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 03:33 PM
EDHUK,

You are right. By me saying that you have followers would give you more support than your ego needs. I guess the 4 or 5 bashers on this site all have some thigns in common.
1) They haven't tried the patches (CMG your wife trying them once does't count)
2) They worship James Randi
3) They are not open to new concepts

Why don't you come to one of the Regional LW Conferences and ask all of your questions that you have. David and Dr. H would be happy to answer all of your questions and also explain how the patches work.

I really can't figure out why you call LW a scam?? The fact is that you don't understand the technology and haven't tried it for yourself. I have researched a number of MLM companies that people call scams for a few reasons:
1) They are agaist network marketing
2) They don't like the fact that people are making big money at the top
3) They feel threatened by the products potential (possibly a pharmaceutical connection)
4) Personal agendas against the company
5) Paid to bash

Which one are you EDHUK, Bob, CMG, Razela, Captain Al?? I had a good chuckle when I looked back to the beginning of this forum and I see that most of you have been around for the duration. Either you really don't have anything else to do with your lives or I would guess that you fit into one of the 5 listed above. Why else would you have such a passionate involvement in this forum.

People can make their own decisions about LW after trying the patches. I have had a few people (about 5 out of 100) that did not notice anything from the energy patches so I gave them their money back. The other 95 satisfied customers enjoyed the product and have found mutltiple uses for them that I cannot get into. I don't want to make any claims.

Since LW is new technology and goes against "Western thinking" and the drug companies and Doctors who like to prescribe, things are going to proceed very cautiously for LW. The company is in very good hands and will continue to grow and will be a household name in the next 5 years. LW is here to stay!!





The patches
CMG
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 03:51 PM
CMG,

"The loss of "momentum" couldn't possibly be because people are catching on to the scam and the pool of suckers willing to believe in the ability of small plastic stickers to act as tiny radio antennas is drying up, right? Nah! Getting harder to unload that autoship, Jimbo?"

Refer to my comments above about a scam. LW does not fit into this. You don't have to beleive in anything. Once you try the patches you know they work.


Yup, that "skin care system" is going to fix EVERYTHING, allrighty! You know the "skin care system" that requires you to use skin CREAM along with the patches. Yeah, THAT "skin care system." "Wait, aren't the drug stores full of skin creams that you can use WITHOUT having to stick some stupid patches on your body? Yes there are a number of creams out their that work to cover some of the outside blemishes, etc. but the skin patch will improve you body from the inside out by flushing out toxins. Data has been gathered through urine analysis and has found a 30-40% increase in heavy metals being excreted in urine. This patch is a major anti-oxidant!!


"Studies are being completed and may or may not be avialable for the genral public."
Yup, they'll be here ANY DAY NOW. Any day now. You know, just like the other reports that have been coming out any day now. Any day now"
They will be available but caution must be used so as to not make any claims.


"LW will be gaining momentum very soon and will be front and center on a number of TV network shows."
Got any names you'd like to give us? Or will they be available ANY DAY NOW? Yes by November 1 you will be the first to know. Can't tell you anything more.


I assume you mean Sports Illustrated. What would we find if we read it? Is it written in secret invisible ink that we need special patches to read? Just asking? Page 42 and also watch the NBA playoffs every night.

"Anyone watch the today show with Barry Manilow?? And David Beckham continues to wear them!!"

Sorry, I don't get up that early. What are you claiming involved Barry Manilow and, presumably, LifeWave? Do you have any...oh, what's the word I want here? Oh, right, PROOF, that David Beckham wears LifeWave patches? And so what if he does? He may wear Fruit of the Loom underwear, also. Would that somehow "prove" that it was the cause of his success? Won't make any claims about Barry Manilow other than he is a patch user and loves them. David Beckham does still use the patches on a regular basis.
Jim S
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 03:53 PM
Sorry the last post was mine...not CMG. CMG was on my mind!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 03:53 PM
Jim S.

What a completely predictable disappointment you have turned out to be.

"I had a good chuckle when I looked back to the beginning of this forum and I see that most of you have been around for the duration."

Yet you conveniently ignored the fact that EVERYTHING you have stated has been posted here BEFORE YOU.

How would any of us know beforehand what the "duration" would, or will, be?

We don't know how long it will take for this scam to be closed down.

Why would anyone waste time and money to travel to meet scam artists to ask questions that will (by definition) be dishonestly answered?

You continue with this basic premise:

"I have been scammed. Please jump in and join me."

Why do you say David and Dr. H?

Surely you should say "Dr. David" and Dr. H"

David Schmidt has dishonestly called himself a Dr. That was not enough to make you wary. That is your problem.

I will continue to post here until this scam is over. I refuse to let people like you present such a scam as real science when you cannot explain the science yourself other than to cut and paste from the Schmidt Bible.

"I really can't figure out why you call LW a scam??"

Therein is the reason you got scammed!!

Never mind, there will be plenty of other scams for you to fall for after this one is dead and gone.

Dave
Solly
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 04:05 PM
Sorry folks I just realised that I made a couple of mistakes in my haste to add my comments. The corrections are,

This is clever or should I say dishonest marketing going on and if I was Carlo I would be sueing them for misuse of his name and research. Unless you are well versed in atomic physics and quantum mechanics.

I like to keep my spelling as correct as possibe but when you are in a hurry you make mistakes.

Those pushing patches and chips and other similar crap make deliberate mistakes so they can fool people into buying.

Seems the old saying still rings true, "There is a sucker born every minute".
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 04:09 PM
Jim S. wrote: "Why don't you come to one of the Regional LW Conferences and ask all of your questions that you have. David and Dr. H would be happy to answer all of your questions and also explain how the patches work."

OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE. That would be great fun, possibly even worth the trip out there. I would LOVE to have a 1-hour, open to the public and press, Q&A, videotaped, at which I get the microphone and get to ask David Schmidt and Steven Haltiwanger questions in front of all of their minions who care to attend the session, about the patch "technology," in which they can't dismiss a question with, "That's proprietary so we won't answer," or deflect the question by blathering on about something else. The questions would include DS's qualifications and background that qualifies him to know what he's talking about. Maybe some of the other people that post here would be willing to get in on the fun. If he and his patches are genuine, the Q&A could only improve his credibility and help prove the skeptics wrong, correct?

Please have David Schmidt and Steve Haltiwanger post a message here and on the LifeWave website saying whether they accept. We can begin by asking them a few questions right here on this forum, and see how they hold up, where the record will remain for all to see.

If David Schmidt doesn't like the idea of a public Q&A, I live in the Los Angeles area to where David Schmidt apparently travels occasionally, and we could do it privately, with the Q&A being videotaped, with the tape to be made publicly available.

But Jim, how could David Schmidt explain how the patches work, when he already admitted in a filing with the United States government that he does NOT know how the patches work, but was merely making up his theories?

Anyway, please have David Schmidt reply. My god, this is gonna be good.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 04:53 PM
1) They are agaist network marketing
Why in the world would I be against network marketing?

2) They don't like the fact that people are making big money at the top
Why would I even care if someone else is/isn't making money when it has nothing to do with me (it's not my money that is making DS rich.

3) They feel threatened by the products potential (possibly a pharmaceutical connection)
Oh, blame those evil pharmaceutical companies. Actually I'm a student in public administration and not affiliated with any rival products.

4) Personal agendas against the company

Umm...like what? That's pretty general, but I'm pretty sure I don't have a personal agenda. Please enlighten me as to what it could be.

5) Paid to bash"
I wish. As I said above, I'm a university student. Honestly though, who would pay be to bash lifewave, I'd honestly like to know as I'd be happy to make a few bucks for what I'm doing already.

It's interesting that you assume that everyone who is against lifewave must have some kind of gain in the matter. Is it that hard to believe that we truly believe that lifewave is a scam and wish to provide information and assistance to protect others from buying into it?
Solly
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 05:09 PM
Jim S,
I just tried to find Dr. Carlo Rubbia and while thier are a huge number of references to his work in ATOMIC PHYSICS , I had trouble trying to find his contact details. Seeing your organization has used his work as a reference you must have had permission from him to do so, so my suggestion is why not invite him to one of your Regional LW Conferences. I am sure as he is a very eminent scientist and a Nobel Prize Laureate - The Nobel Prize in Physics 1984, he would be only too happy to explain how your chips and patches work. Just think of the worldwide publicity you would get if you told the media he was appearing, you just couldn't buy that type of advertising.

Hey what I am doing I am giving you ideas on how to rip off more innocent people (suckers).

Sorry folks I got carried away I hope they don't use my suggestions to make you part with your hard earned cash.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 06:30 PM
Solly

Check out http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P1860/

page 94
Captain Al
in Alberta, Canada
Member

He noted the scamsters couldn't even spell the name right!

I do enjoy my free comedy hour.

Dave
*
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 06:46 PM
Jim S. said:

"Refer to my comments above about a scam. LW does not fit into this. You don't have to beleive in anything. Once you try the patches you know they work."

Jim, you need more than the mere repetition of a claim to elevate it to the level of FACT. How do you "know" that the patches cause whatever effect you think you feel? How do you KNOW that it isn't just in your mind or attributable to something else? Remember, to PROVE that the patches are responsible, you would have to factor out every other thing that could possibly cause the effect. Have you done that? Has ANYONE?

Remember, too, that to PROVE your claim(s) scientifically, you'd need a test group of many people. One person's anecdotal "evidence" doesn't cut it. So, got anything resembling that? No? OK, in that case, what you have isn't PROOF, but OPINION.

Why do you think your unsupported opinion should sway anyone to believe in the patches?
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 07:00 PM
Jim, I've checked page 42 of the most recent issue of Sports Illustrated. I don't see any mention of the patches or anything remotely having to do with lifewave.

The opposite page (43) is, interestingly enough, an advertisement for edible strips that reduce flatulence. Is that the secret? Is lifewave
Solly
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 07:06 PM
Hi Dave,
Thanks for that I must have missed it. I think the more people that do background research on their so called references the more nervous and they will become. In fact if I was a member I would be getting out before the shit hits the fan because someone sometime is going to sue for every penny they have.
Regards,
Solly
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 07:08 PM
Jim S. said:

"I guess the 4 or 5 bashers on this site all have some thigns in common.
1) They haven't tried the patches (CMG your wife trying them once does't count)"

And WHY doesn't that count? She tried them exactly as instructed and nothing happened. If she had tried them and claimed to feel something, I'm certain that you wouldn't be claiming that her experience "doesn't count."

"2) They worship James Randi"

I don't "worship" ANY human (and I expect that the same would be true for the other skeptics here as well). I greatly respect James Randi for the tireless work he has done to expose nonsense like LifeWave.

"3) They are not open to new concepts"

Absolute nonsense. What I'm "not open" to is bullshit designed to separate people from their money.

"I really can't figure out why you call LW a scam??"

Is it even possible that you're that dumb? I don't think so; I think you just don't want to recognize that we call LifeWave a scam because it IS. If you've actually gone through this thread, as you claim, you HAVE to have seen where people here have pointed out that LifeWave falsely uses the term "nanotechnology" when it doesn't apply to your dopey little plastic patches and that the founder of LifeWave calls himself a "doctor" when he has NO legitimate claim to that title, etc.

I notice with interest that you seem to have no response to those things which, to me, indicates that you HAVE no appropriate response. You wonder why WE call LifeWave a scam? *I* wonder why YOU continue to support something so obviously bogus.

"The fact is that you don't understand the technology and haven't tried it for yourself."

You're right, we're just poor stupid little people and can't understand how little plastic patches function like tiny FM radio stations, especially when that appears to violate all the known laws of physics. Please explain it to us, using small words so we poor Philistines can follow you.

"I have researched a number of MLM companies that people call scams for a few reasons:
1) They are agaist network marketing"

For the record, I have nothing against network marketing, assuming that it is legitimate.

"2) They don't like the fact that people are making big money at the top"

In the case of LifeWave, the "people at the top" are making money off utter nonsense and they make it by scamming others. Isn't THAT a legitimate reason to oppose their efforts?

"3) They feel threatened by the products potential (possibly a pharmaceutical connection)"

So, in other words, you're claiming that I work for a pharmaceutical company? I'll make you the same offer I did before. Prove that I have EVER worked for a pharmaceutical company and I'll give you DOUBLE all the money I was ever paid by them. Pretty good deal, huh? All you have to do is prove your claim and you cash in. So, let's see the proof.

"4) Personal agendas against the company"

I don't even know what you mean by that. Can you clarify?

"5) Paid to bash"

Well, you should know by now what I'm going to say to this one. PROVE that claim and I'll fly to wherever you are in America and personally hand you a check for DOUBLE what I was paid to "bash" LifeWave. I'll even have one of those giant novelty checks made, if you like. All you have to do to collect is be a man and back up your words. Up to it, Jim?
Solly
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 07:15 PM
Jim S,
Don't you get the feeling that you are standing on the deck of the Titanic. I would suggest that you find a copy of the hymn "Nearer my God, to thee", as it may help ease your burdened soul. The orchestra played it as the Titanic was going down.
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 08:12 PM
Jim S said: "I really can't figure out why you call LW a scam??"

Jim, I hate to be so harsh about this but if, after reading this forum and studying David Schmidt's patent applications, and after carefully considering the evidence and arguments raised here by some obviously intelligent and educated people, you STILL have no conception why some people call Lifewave a scam;

If by now you can't say to yourself, "The skeptics have raised a few valid points. I can at least see where they're coming from";

Then you, pal, possess no more learning ability than the common housefly. And I for one would ask you excuse yourself from this forum because you have nothing to contribute other than singing the Lifewave fight song which we have heard a thousand times before. But send David Schmidt in your place so we can ask him a few questions 😊
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 08:42 PM
Jim S, you still don't get it. The momentum has stalled to a stand still and WILL NOT be jump started by any new product line from Lifewave. There is a critical flaw that has driven away scores of Lifewave top distributors with significant downlines, who now have no trust or belief in David Schmidt or his elk for management. That flaw is the GREED of David Schmidt and the Lifewave Company. 99% of the Lifewave Distributors cannot make REAL ($4-6,000.00 a month) money consistently with the company's heavy-handed compensation plan. And by the way Jim S, you must be really worried and KNOW that more and more disillusioned distributors are reading this forum, or you would not be making such a blatant attempt to bash this forum. All the new creams, potions, patches, spray, whatever don't matter if you do not have an army to sell them and buy them. By the way, the NBA guy wearing the patches (Tim Duncan, Sam Cassell) whom are they playing this week? Oops, they're not; they are out of the playoffs. I am not sure why you think two guys out of 400 NBA players means anything. It is less then 1%.

Jim S. enjoy the regional, I already wasted my time at one of these things. How much JIM S you want to bet that the national convention this year will have FAR LESS people then the disaster last year in Las Vegas? If you want to go toe-to-toe with me on Lifewave, bring it on.

P.S. Jim S, please answer the question on David Schmidt lying on his patent application and claiming to be a doctor
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 | 09:06 PM
Jim S said "Lifewave is in an infancy stage and will be a household name in the next few years."

Here are the cold hard facts Jim S. from ME Denver Lifewaver, who is in communication (weekly) with a number of former key Lifewave distributors, and has been on an even dozen conference calls to tell the REAL TRUTH about LIFEWAVE.

Word on the street is that your boy Dave Schmidt is "suspect" and lacks "credibility".
It's going to be real hard to be a house hold name when you do not have the troops! Lie to your self all you want Jim S, I know you hear the tic-toc of the clock ticking. The amount of damage down to some great distributors, who now have spread the word to other major MLM distributors in other companies about Lifewave. The seeds have been sowen and redemption is coming. No way to stop it, the reaper is coming for DS and LW.

Jim S., keep being a sheep, and soak up the picksy
dust David Schmidt is feeding you. What are you going to do when the music ends and you have no chair to sit down in?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 | 12:35 AM
To Jim, and any future LifeWave supporters:

If you would address the questions and doubts with facts instead of attacks, (that was not supposed to be so lyrical...) it would go a lot further toward your cause. When someone claims that patches full of honey and glycerin can't possibly do what DS says they do, responding by telling them that they're just too stupid to understand anyway is not much in the way of an explanation.
explorer1
Member
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 | 06:48 PM
Denver Lifewaver- Any feedback on what happened at the Calgary Convention? Since you are still in communication it seems with other members, maybe you've heard. What do you mean that the word is out to other distributors at other MLM's ? How can that help bring out the truth or slow the new member growth? I am asking, as it seems prudent that we all provide substantiation and facts backing up our statements. Were you doing Lifewave full time? How many members were in your downline, if I may ask? Have you shared your discoveries with all of them ? What kind of responses did you get?
Also any new news on why Stan C. left(or got fired ?) Are their any Lawsuits you know of being filed against Lifewave ?

Razela- this last posting made me laugh so hard , I thought I'd cry." referring to Sports Illustrated: The opposite page (43) is, interestingly enough, an advertisement for edible strips that reduce flatulence. Is that the secret? Is lifewave
Nanoman
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 07:56 AM
Explorer 1,

The Calgary Convention was great. Lots of exciting news coming to LW by first of July. The skin care system was also released. You can "feel" this product in seconds!! An anti-oxidant patch that releases heavy meal toxins out of urine. This will be a huge seller as most people are only concerned with what they look like on the outside. We have been trying to get people to use the energy patches for well-being and balancing their bodies but most people are closed to this concept.

LW is going very strong. Lots of new studies under way and lots of support from the US army. The SI page number is 47. Check out Sam Cassell wearing the patches.
explorer1
Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 08:56 AM
Nanoman- and once again where are the studies prving any of this-oh ueah I forgot they release a product before they get proof and just rely on OPINION and testimonials.
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 10:26 AM
Nanoman, glad to see you have come out from your hole under a rock. You've been deafly quiet for quite a while. Why don't you give our audience a response to my questions and comments."Dr." David Schmidt(lying on his patent application)claiming to be a doctor, and again we don't see what the big deal is with a couple of NBA players (out of 400, which is less then 1%) who wear the patch, especially when the said players are no longer playing in the playoffs.

You are just another puppet-sheep drinking the David Schmidt kool-ade. Bah, Bah
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 12:05 PM
Nanoman

"An anti-oxidant patch that releases heavy meal toxins out of urine."

I presume this refers to double cheesburgers!

Nice to see you continue to take the urine.

Dave
EDH UK
Nanoman
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 12:42 PM
oops...heavy metal toxins.

Studies are coming. Takes time to gather data, peer review, and appear in a journal.

First pilot study on urine analysis over a 5 day period of 6 individuals showed 100% of them increased excretion of heavy metal toxins compared to when not wearing patches. Some up to 300% increase in certain metals. Average increase was 30-40%.

A lot of results will not appear on LW site as they must be careful not to make any claims.

Lots of athletes and celebrities using them. Just will take time to educate on the impact of them. Just like some of you this may be a very difficult and time consuming thing to do!!

Can't answer the Doctor question. Why don't you write Mike Colins at Lifewave and ask him.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 12:46 PM
Nanoman

"Can't answer the Doctor question."

Nothing too difficult there.

David Schmidt applied for a Patent and signed it "Dr. David Schmidt".

That's illegal isn't it?

?

Dave
*
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 | 01:43 PM
Nanoman, I don't see Lifewave or Sam Cassell on page 47 of the June 2006 edition of Sports Illustrated. It's a page from an article on David Wright from the Mets and a small box on Carlos Beltran. Are you sure you have the page number right, or am I missing something?
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