The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 12:50 AM
hcmomof4 said:

"CMG, there is a major flaw in your argument --"I ran 20% faster with the pork chop on my head..."
"What's it going to take to convince you of the performance-enhancing power of dead lamb?"

"Pork isn't lamb..."

*I just put that in to test you.

OR

*Maybe in your Western-mindedness, pork isn't lamb. If you could just open your mind to other possibilities, maybe you could look beyond that narrow world-view.

Pick one.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 12:54 AM
Joel said:

"I'll bet that that pork chop, with all its protein, contains a lot more amino acids than the typical LifeWave patch. So if you believe "Dr." Schmidt's writings, a pork chop hat seems like a perfectly straightforward application of "Dr." Schmidt's theories. How can any LifeWave believer possibly dismiss a pork chop hat?

"Maybe Bill Nott was thinking, 'A pork chop hat would be stupid. Any moron would know that you should put the pork chop on an acupuncture point, not on the skull, to get the full effect of your energy field being bent to the left in the presence of amino acids.'"

OK, that really made me laugh out loud, Joel. The sad part is that you really CAN rationalize anything once you leave the World O' Facts behind.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 11:22 AM
CMG

I guess it's not too hard to appreciate why LifeWavers continue to believe.

The alternative is to wake up to reality. The reality that you've been had; not only had, but payed DS for the pleasure!

That's gotta sting!

EDH UK
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Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 12:17 PM
Dave wrote: "That's gotta sting!"

I have to wonder how many LifeWavers have finally been convinced after flushing a lot of their time and money down the LaffWave craphole that they've been openly and flagrantly sodomized, but they're also too embarassed to come back here or to their friends and say, "Yeah, you guys were right," so instead they just quietly sneak off into the sunset and we never hear from them again.

I think this LaffWave thing would make a fascinating topic for some psychology student's doctoral disseratation: The Psychology of MLM Scams and How So Many Well Intentioned People Get Duped for So Long by Big Lies. Maybe like Barry Minkow (of the ZZZZ Best carpet cleaning company scam - see http://www.barryminkow.com) DS will eventually write an enlightening and cathartic tell-all book about all this.

If anyone out there thinks or even suspects that he or she has been scammed by Laffwave, I would encourage you to file a complaint with the FTC (http://www.ftc.gov) and get the ball rolling on an investigation of this company. If what they're selling is real, they have nothing to fear. Or if there are enough of you, you might want to contact a class action lawyer. I would pay good money for a front row ticket to the depositions of DS and Steven Haltiwanger.
hcmomof4
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 01:49 PM
sigh...

I guess I have to confess to option #2, since I'm having a tough time buying into the molasses-and-glycerin-as-cell-phones too.

Although I'm pretty damn sure that even in the East, pigs and lambs are two different animals...
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 01:51 PM
EDH UK said:

"I guess it's not too hard to appreciate why LifeWavers continue to believe.

"The alternative is to wake up to reality. The reality that you've been had; not only had, but payed DS for the pleasure!

"That's gotta sting!"

Yup! The human ability to rationalize is pretty amazing, isn't it?

I don't think that every LifeWaver is an amoral scumbag (although there are undoubtedly some of those mixed in). I think people get caught up in the hype with all the testimonials and pseudo-scientific double talk. That, combined with a perfectly reasonable desire to make money, gets them excited about the "product" and the idea of making money by helping people (which is what a LOT of MLM scams use to motivate the ground troops).

It's a rare person who, when they realize the whole thing is a house of cards, can say to themselves, "Well, I got taken for a few thousand dollars here. Let me just get out and cut my losses."

The tendency is to deny the obvious facts in front of you until they become absolutely UNdeniable (or the government shuts the company down). Even them, you usually get a few diehards who find scapegoats to blame the collapse on. That's why I predicted that when LifeWave collapses, there may well be a sort of revival by people who say, "The product is good, the management was bad" and bring the patches back under another name.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 03:16 PM
The New LifeWave Website
Courtesy Bob at WWSN

http://www.telephonetelepath.com/lifewave/vortex/

"Let's crank up the BS"

"The sleep patches are nothing short of amazing. They are going to help millions of women who, especially after the age of 35, have trouble sleeping. Right from the first time I used one I slept more deeply and peacefully than I have for years. I could not be more enthusiastic about them." Leslie Kenton

http://www.lesliekenton.com/home.htm

Strange, no word about LifeWave on Leslie's website even though she appears on the new LW website.

This is how Leslie says you get energy:

"I created my Journey to Freedom books, tapes and other workshops to help people learn shamanic skills and reestablish a sense of connection with their own authenticity as well as the universe as a whole.

This invariably brings great joy in its wake. It can bring you face to face with the only true guru for health, healing and spiritual guidance that exists: the guru within you."

But, no LifeWave.

Just an omission I guess.

EDH UK
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Mr. Know it All
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 03:28 PM
I was sent a link to this web site by a friend to show me what people were thinking about Lifewave patches. After reading the garbage that some were saying, I decided to clear things up for those of you who still do use their mind to think.

The difference between those of you who formed a negative judgment and myself, is that I looked into the Lifewave technology because I felt that there was something to it, and I found that it was for real.

It amazes me how many people there are that not only have a closed mind, but are unable to open their mind to significant advancements in treatment of the human body.

I won
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 04:26 PM
Mr. Know it All

What an interesting username you chose.

Unfortunately, with every educated word ("...hope that I did not use to many big words so that you could not understand what was said...") you have eminently demonstrated how little you know about anything at all.

Still, your jovial post is very much appreciated as it can get down and heavy at times on this forum.

Are your many statements of "fact" your own thoughts or copied and repeated from the LifeWave bible?

If they are your own thoughts and opinions, what background do you have to give them any kind of weight?

"I won
Mr. Know it All
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 05:01 PM
EDHUK

You might be surprised if you tried them. Take a chance - you only live this life once. You can apply your negative placebo effect to give them your best test. It might even help your negative attitude and pay attention to the content of what I say, not construction. If you must win by a personal attack, you win. I concede.

I look at this as an opportunity to learn new things and study it. You look at this as another scam and criticize it. My how different we think.

You won
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 05:31 PM
Here we go again!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 05:36 PM
Mr. Know it All

Oh, what an instant disappointment you have turned out to be.

"You might be surprised if you tried them"

We've never read that here.

"You look at this as another scam and criticize it."

"It is funny how all those comments I read prior to mine didn
hcmomof4
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 06:10 PM
Dear Mr. Knows better than us,
Not only did you "not use to many big words"[/em}, you didn't even use all the smaller ones correctly.
hcmomof4
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 06:11 PM
Damn, got lazy and didn't preview...
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 07:01 PM
Mr. Know it All said:

"The basis for Lifewave technology has been around for 5000 years. It is called acupuncture. It is the treatment of the human by stimulation the meridians and chakras only without needles... When these weak or overactive meridians are stimulated properly, the body takes energy from the over stimulated meridian and balances it with the under stimulated areas.
"

So he thinks the ancient Chinese knew the secrets of health and curing illness does he? Let's examine that idea by comparing the life expectancy of countries that use Western medical principles against those that practice 5000 year old superstition:

According to the <a href="http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html">The World Factbook</a> the country with the longest life expectancy is Andorra at 83.51 years. Since it has a rather small population, it may not be an accurate comparison with countries that have large populations.

If we organize the data by sovereign countries as opposed to entities (including small autonomous regions) and just look at countries with large populations, we see Japan's 81.15 years puts it at number 4 followed by Sweden and Australia at number 5 and 6 respectively. The United States is far down the list in 29th place.

If Mr. Know it All is correct, China, with it's alleged superior medical knowledge gained over 5 millennia, should be at the top of the list. The data, however shows it is in fact in 77th place (72.27 years) just ahead of Malaysia. How could this be? Were we not told curing illness is just a matter of stimulating the body's meridians to get them in balance so "the body is at its top energy and immune state"?

It's interesting that the ranking by entities shows Macau, a former Portuguese colony and Hong Kong, a former British colony, are in the top 5 and China is 107th. Both former colonies are now back in the control of China. Since they spent most of their history under Western control, Western medical practices would more be more prevalent there. Is this another indication Western medicine is more advanced or just a fluke?
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 07:06 PM
Mr. Know It All,

I'm glad to see someone join this discussion who has done his homework, and can answer some questions for us.

You wrote: "The human and animal bodies have natural low frequency impulses that tell the body to work in unison and when the body is totally balanced, the body is at its top energy and immune state. However, the body gets out of balance and can stay out of balance, and it must work hard to get back in balance."

Please educate us. What frequencies are we talking about with respect to human beings? Is it the same frequencies for men and women, old and young, fat and thin, different races? What reference book lists the different frequency data for different body types? At what frequencies do the white Lifewave patches resonate, at what frequencies do the tan Lifewave patches resonate, and how can I confirm that? What is the profile in change in frequencies or amplitude of those patches over time, and what variables affect the degradation of the patches?

If the patches frequency modulate the body's own energy fields, as DS contends, how often does the information coming from the patches repeat? How many sidelobes does the modulated signal have, and what is its total bandwidth and spectral power? Is there any danger that patches will modulate the wrong frequencies to the wrong people or at the wrong time, thus causing harm? If people come near the patches, but don't actually stick them on themselves, is there a danger that the information that emanates from the patches will be corrupted by signal fading and multipath effects, thus causing harm to people in the vicinity?

For that matter, how does David Schmidt know that the patches use frequency modulation rather than amplitude modulation, because his description sounds more like amplitude modulation to me.

David Schmidt's patent application says that amino acids bend the body's energy fields to the left, and Grandma Molasses bends the body's energy fields to the right. How did David Schmidt know how much bending of the energy field is the correct amount of bending to apply? Can it really be true that the same amount of energy field bending and in the same direction at the same Chakra points on the body is the correct bending for everybody at all times, every day?

Do the patches really reduce menstrual cramps as DS contends in his patent application? Does that also work by bending energy fields to the right and to the left?

Somebody said earlier that in DS's first patent application, he admits that he made his theories up. I haven't had time to look that document up yet. Is it true that DS made those theories up, or was he being dishonest in saying that he made those theories up when in fact those theories were old and existed prior to his patent application?

I'm trying to keep an open mind about all this, but I want to make sure that David Schmidt hasn't made any critical errors in his theories, calculations, measurements, etc. I know he's a very busy guy these days, and we already know that "Dr." Schmidt has trouble accurately discerning whether his degree is a two-year business degree or a PhD. As an engineer, therefore, I am more than a little concerned about DS's ability to get the other critical details correct using this powerful but admittedly novel technology for which no engineering handbooks currently exist. I know from my professional experience that minor miscalculations or oversights can lead to very nasty consequences. A they say, the devil is in the details.

I know that you probably won't be able to answer all of these questions, but since you feel knowledgeable enough to pick the name that you have picked and to call the skeptics "primates," please do help us out on whichever of these questions you can answer.

Thanks for jumping in.
Joel
Mr. Know it All
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 08:01 PM
Joel,

I cannot educate those who are unwilling. It would be nice if those who comment knew just a little about Chinese medicine, quantum physics, and the zero point field. A little education other than what is taught in US schools would go a long way.

I knew that this was a time wasting proposition when I started because I have fought this battle before only to leave it to the group that applaud ignorance. I just hope that there is one person out there that will look for answers as a result.

My time is much to valuable to waste on this level of discussion. I leave all of you to your destiny and I will continue on mine.

Mr. Know it All
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 08:27 PM
Mr Know it All,

You are the ignorant one because you refuse to be open to the possibility you may be wrong. We could be convinced of that. All we ask for is an explanation, just a morsel of proof. Yet when Joel asks direct questions, instead of answering, you run like hell. Not even a final post with a single answer. Typical Lifewaver.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 08:47 PM
Mr. Know it All

Start: 2.28 pm 3/27/06
"I was sent a link to this web site by a friend to show me what people were thinking about Lifewave patches."

Stop: 7.01 pm 3/27/06
"My time is much to (too) valuable to waste on this level of discussion."

Well, that has to be some type of record.

You displayed a level of arrogance that verges on the comical. You pretended to be knowledgeable about a subject that is based on pure fantasy.

You are not a "typical LifeWaver" because you couldn't even keep going for 5 hours.

You "friend" knows you very well. They set you up nicely and have had a good laugh at your expense. You are no doubt the "expert" on many things at work as well.

Look out for the knowing glances tomorrow.

To refer to you as a pathetic looser would be a great compliment; a compliment you won't read from me.

EDH UK
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Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 09:36 PM
Gosh, I feel bad that I made Mr. Know it All leave the playground crying as quickly as he did. I didn't even get a chance to ask him any questions about quantum mechanics.
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 | 10:30 PM
Just for the record, for all the people like Mr. Know it All that like to call skeptics closed minded, I don't believe that this mind is closed. I believe that a chiropractor fixed what was a debilitating back injury for me when orthopedic surgeons had been unable to help. Based on my reading, I believe that acupuncture has been demonstrated to have some efficacy in some limited areas, especially in treating chronic pain. I have no idea why it seems to work, but there is evidence that it does to some extent.

But I've read up on LifeWave. I've probably read more and critically analyzed more information and documents about LifeWave, it's supposed "nanotechnology," and the people behind it than just about any LifeWave distributor or user ever has. I think I'm in a pretty good position to judge: LifeWave is a steaming, putrid pile of crap.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 | 01:09 AM
Mr. Know It All said:

"I cannot educate those who are unwilling. It would be nice if those who comment knew just a little about Chinese medicine, quantum physics, and the zero point field. A little education other than what is taught in US schools would go a long way."

On the off chance you're lurking around here somewhere, Mr. K.I.A., let me ask you a question. What exactly do the LifeWave patches have to do with Chinese medicine, quantum physics and the zero point field? I thought they operated thanks to "nanotechnology."

By the way, have you tried my lamb chop hat suggestion yet? You can't criticize it if you haven't tried it, right?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 | 01:14 AM
Mr. Know It All said:

"It is funny how all those comments I read prior to mine didn
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 | 01:20 AM
Mr. Know It All said:

"As for the placebo effect, someone must have told my favorite race horse it works because he has been running like never before with the patches on."

What is the name of the horse and what track(s) has it raced at? Also, when did its trainer start putting the patches on the horse? I ask so we can check its record to see if what you are saying is true. I mean, you're not just making this all up, right?
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 | 09:51 AM
It
br d
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 | 12:47 PM
The quantum mechanics link is pretty obvious, it's the uncertainty principle.
DS is uncertain whether or not he made the whole thing up, all the Lifewavers who come here seem entirely uncertain about the facts and anyone with half a brain is completely uncertain as to why people fall for all this mumbo-jumbo.

Has any Lifewaver tried putting a patch on a cat and sticking it in a box yet?

br d
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 | 08:10 PM
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 | 11:10 AM
NOT THE FIRST TIME

For those readers who have met "Dr." David Schmidt and shaken his hand, remember the look in his eyes. Remember his sincere words about the great scientific breakthrough he claims he is responsible for.

When this scam is finally uncovered, remember you are not alone. Many people, who thought it could never happen to them, have been scammed.

You are not alone. This is not the first scam, and it won't be the last.

If you can learn from it, the money will be well spent.

EDH UK
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David B.
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 | 05:16 PM
Joel wrote:
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Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 | 10:21 AM
TROY STATE UNIVERSITY FOOTBALL TEAM FOLLOW UP

Remember Richard Shaughnessy, the head strength and conditioning coach at Troy State University who
hcmomof4
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 | 11:16 AM
Joel,
Even I (the cretin that I am...) know the answer to that one. All the teams that Troy State played this year also had the patches, plus they drank water charged with energy crystals.
Duh!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 | 11:39 AM
hcmomof4

You beat me to it!

I was thinking the other team used Haltiwanger's trick of having the patches in your hand REVERSED so that it drained the energy from the opposing team.

Whatever.

The hardcore LifeWaver won't be paying much attention to any of this anyway. When the information was new and the patches were supposed to work, they listened, and purchased.

Now, well, it's hard to admit you've been conned, especially if you feel something.

The new website will be even more of an encouragement, even if it includes a lot of old information. If it looks good it must be good, right?

EDH UK
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Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 | 04:22 PM
EDH UK wrote:
"If it looks good it must be good, right?"

Sadly, I have come to conclude that there is a significant portion of the population that believes: If it looks too good to be true, and it's accompanied by the words "resonant frequency" somewhere, then it must be true.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 | 04:51 PM
Joel said:

I can't WAIT until some LifeWave Kool-Aid drinker tries to "explain" the Troy State debacle by saying that one football team and one season simply isn't enough of a statistical sampling to judge the patches by. 'Cause none of us skeptics have ever pointed out that little problem with the "proofs" of LifeWave's effectiveness, have we?

Hey, LifeWavers! I'm going to GIVE you an "out" just because I'm such a nice guy. All you have to say is that "statistical sampling" is a Western concept which doesn't apply to the ancient Chinese (or Asian or whatever) "naontechnology" in the patches. You're welcome.
chris
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 | 05:38 PM
There are multiple problems with this lifewave patch. First off, there have been serious specualtions about the possibility that they are basically testosterone. Accusations were made with 6 Stanford Swimmers during Olympics Trials. If the patches were such a legitimate scientific breakthrough, then they would definately become FDA approved.
I am a division 1 athlete and will not take these patches until they have been clearly tested (by a legitimate and respected source) because or else, for all i know, i could be using banned testosterone boosts.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 | 06:41 PM
chris

I have posed the "What if...?" before. I think LifeWave has been telling the truth from the beginning.

When the patches were tested for their non-transdermal "qualities", the testing company asked what was in the patches. LifeWave told them glucose (brown) and glycerin (white) and nothing else.

LifeWavers will also point out that the swimmers had the patches tested and there was nothing coming out of them. All of this info is online and referrenced earlier in this thread.

I have always believed that David Schmidt, knowing the patches are completely harmless, is in a position where he never needs to be worried about being sued for side effects etc.

If it ever came to court he could prove the patches only contained harmless substances and the patches kept the glucose and glycerin inside anyway.

That would be the ONLY time he would be keen to reveal the contents.

In the meantime it seems to be a pure numbers game. The old methods still work surprisingly well when you throw in the buzz words of new technology that most people know nothing about.

"You can fool some of the people etc..."

Elegant.

Crooked, deceitful, immoral, yes; but a huge moneymaker until folks finely catch on and realize we skeptics are NOT part of a conspiracy or employed by top dollar companies to rubbish DS and his scam products.

Cheers,
EDH UK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 | 06:55 PM
MVA Study

For those who want to check it.

http://www.lifewave.com/USA/ENGLISH/pdf/mva.html

"A reagent was chosen, based on information provided by the manufacturer, that would react with substances present in the brown (glucose) patch and in the white (glycerin) patch. The
reagent chosen reacts with glycerin and with glucose to form a white precipitate."

So, LifeWave either 1: Told the truth and the study is valid. or 2: Lied and the study is not valid.

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 | 09:04 PM
Although Lifewave has nothing to fear from lawsuits about harmful side effects (since they don't do anything), they should be worried about litigation for making false claims.

In the news today is a story about a <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060330/us_nm/sunscreen_dc">consumer lawsuit</a> against manufacturers of sunscreen. Note that the suit does not make any claims of personal injury, only that the claims made by manufacturers are either exaggerated or misleading. Since Lifewave has made many claims it cannot or will not provide proof for, this could happen to them.

BEWARE LIFEWAVE DISTRIBUTORS. If this should ever happen, you, as a representitive who is repeating the claims, will be equally liable for damages if the suit is successful.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 | 09:13 PM
Captain Al

"BEWARE LIFEWAVE DISTRIBUTORS. If this should ever happen, you, as a representitive who is repeating the claims, will be equally liable for damages if the suit is successful."

The irony is that people like Bill Nott's bother in Alaska will be among the very few who be successfully prosecuted.

In their innocent belief that LifeWave is genuine, they have given full contact details on their LifeWave individualized website.

Bill, and his family have never tried to hide their identity, unlike nanoman etc. The authorities will have a hard time finding people like him/her because such scam artists are adept at covering their tracks.

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hcmomof4
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 | 12:49 AM
Well dang! They sure did a complete and conclusive test on whether or not the stuff inside the patches would come out! If they'd apply this sort of diligence to testing the effacy, this forum would lose its will to live. Of course, testing the contents of the patches to see if the reagent reacted appropriately would have cost too much I guess...

From reading the Patch Permeability report, one thing is obvious. DS has some very strong mojo! Inside the little pocket on each patch is a synthetic fiber disc, some liquid droplets, and some air (or other gas). So the glucose and glycerin must be very potent.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 | 04:59 PM
Very potent stuff indeed, which is especially remarkable considering that the patches contain only sugar and amino acids purchased in bulk from commercial sources.

According to Steven Haltiwanger, "The sugars in the patches come from vegetable sources like sugar cane, corn or honey produced by bees from flower nectar. . . The amino acids used in LifeWave patches are purchased from commercial companies that manufacture amino acids by the fermentation method using natural plant derived source materials." http://www.trinaschiller.ws/page3.html
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 | 08:57 PM
Joel

"According to Steven Haltiwanger, "The sugars in the patches come from vegetable sources like sugar cane, corn or honey produced by bees from flower nectar..."


"LifeWave Patches Do Not Contain Animal Products
By Steve Haltiwanger MD, CCN LifeWave patches"

So, who produces honey again?

?

Keep buying the patches, DS wants to buy another car.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 | 10:01 AM
NEW WEBSITE

With the coming of the new "flashy" website I thought we would be inundated with true believers of the breakthrough patch technology.

So where are they?

Surely LifeWavers are not going to fall back on that good old lame excuse..."We're wasting our time trying to convince people like you who have a closed mind".

We skeptics also believe in the concept of a closed mind...it's called being a LifeWaver. It doesn't stop us posting here on a regular basis. We don't feel that it's a waste of time.

If just one person get's the message, then it's well worth it.

Why should David Schmidt make chumps out of people while amassing a small fortune?

Why should DS be allowed to "invent" and sell a product with ZERO bona fide testing and quality assurance?

Why does DS need a new "flashy" office in California, in addition to his other offices?

Why do LifeWaver's blindly accept the often hystericaly funny, always entertaining, and certainly novel pronouncements of their leader?

The search for truth continues unabated.

EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 | 07:32 PM
http://www.energyfirstpatches.com/

Interesting how many distributors have done their own sites.

This one tells a few truths (albeit unkowingly).

"The LifeWave
Joe
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 | 10:12 PM
From the site EDH UK mentioned:

7) How long should I wear the patches?

It is recommended that you wear the patches for 12 hours a day or less.



I don't understand this. Someone please fill me in on this recommendation. If I wore the patches, I would wear them 16 hours a day. This sounds like a preventative measure [recommendation] to keep sales from decreasing. Make it so that the people have to wear them once or twice a day. More patches = more money.

I know that nothing enters the body, so I guess there is no risk of overdosing. Will there be a study conducted not only on the effectiveness of the patches, but also on the 12-hour deterioration of the patches?
Joe
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 | 10:25 PM
I'm guessing not. If Lifewave were to find out the patches lasted a month or 6 months with the simple use of tape or a bandaid applied over the patches, then Lifewave would crumble.

I guess I'm getting back into stuff that was discussed earlier in this forum about how the patches deteriorate and all the shipping problems associated with the patches.

If the patches don't deteriorate while in a box in storage, I guess that means the plastic covering over the back of the patch is of a special type in order to contain the patch. Does the uncovering of the back of the patch release something to start the deterioration? If the patches interact with the body's field and nothing is absorbed, then the patches "special magic" comes out the front of the patch?

I guess I'm babbling, but it would seem to me that something that deteriorates this quickly would not only have special shipping instructions, but also special storage instructions. Does the warehouse have energy fields that contain the patches? Does the box the patches come in prevent deterioration? Is there special instructions users must follow in the storage of these patches?
hcmomof4
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 | 01:38 AM
This is slightly off the subject, but kinda related.
I was at a different get rich quick scheme site, and clicked on the "Please read our privacy policy" button. Along with the usual gobbledygoop, the only paragraph regarding their privacy policy was this:

x2obuilder.com PRIVACY POLICY

x2obuilder.com is concerned about your privacy and has developed a policy to address those concerns. You can find the current privacy policy by clicking on 'Privacy Policy' at the bottom of each page of the website.

Interestingly, the bottom of that page of the website didn't have anywhere to click. But apparently their privacy policy is that they have one.
Joe
Member
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 | 11:47 AM
I'm assuming that if you sign up for Lifewave as a distributor that your name and address are sold within seconds. Why would they waste that opportunity to make more money.
Millionportraits
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 | 12:43 PM
http://www.millionportraits.new.fr<a href="http://www.millionportraits.new.fr">The Million Portraits Homepage</a>
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 | 01:00 PM
Joe wrote: "I'm assuming that if you sign up for Lifewave as a distributor that your name and address are sold within seconds."

Yeah. When you sign up for LifeWave you may as well stamp the words SUCKER on your forehead in big bold letters.

Those names, addresses, and email addresses have to be among the most valuable and sought-after lead lists ever for people hawking ionized bracelets, energy crystals, spiritual healing and remote healing, herbal extracts and colored LEDs for detoxifying humans, anything
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 | 05:23 PM
This directNIC Free Hosting account has been terminated due to a violation of the directNIC Free Hosting Terms of Service.

http://www.energyfirstpatches.com/

Well, how interesting. It went away!

EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 | 07:04 PM
http://gbiz.hypermart.net/dondavison/id1.html

This site makes claims about the sleep patches.

"I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and had considered surgery! All that is now on hold!! "

"My sleep apnea was discovered in the mid 90
hcmomof4
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 | 01:15 AM
The JREF challenge is currently on hiatus. That'll give the sleepy-z folks plenty of time to get everything they'll need together!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 | 04:24 PM
hcmomof4

I didn't know that James Randi was recovering from heart surgery.

What a lucky break for the LifeWave crowd, but no doubt they could have come up with their own reasons not to apply.

EDH UK
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Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 | 11:00 PM
On the value of testimonials:

LifeWave previously claimed that tests conducted on Troy University and Morehouse College football players demonstrated conclusively immediately increases and strength and stamina caused by the patches. On page 119 of this thread, I pointed out that Troy University
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 | 12:35 AM
Yes James Randi is recovering from a heart attack but I don't think that has stopped the $1,000,000 challenge. It's offered by the JREF, not Randi personally.
hcmomof4
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 | 12:37 AM
This has been posted by the webmaster as a message from James Randi:

While I
hcmomof4
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 | 12:39 AM
Oops. I forgot to mention that it was posted in the Challenge Application forum.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 | 12:53 AM
EDHUK said:

"I didn't know that James Randi was recovering from heart surgery.

"What a lucky break for the LifeWave crowd, but no doubt they could have come up with their own reasons not to apply."

Gee, why don't the LifeWavers go to Randi's bedside and fit him with some patches? Even though he's in his 80's, I'm sure he'd be up and around in no time.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 | 01:10 AM
hcmomof4,

I stand corrected. Thanks.
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