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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Nanoman
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 12:46 PM
Think whatever you want Denver!!
I don't feel I am distorting or inflating anything. I am just telling you what I see and I have helped many people improve the quality of their lives. (i.e. MS, Fibromyalgia, arthritis, insomnia, pain... too name a few)
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 01:59 PM
Easy there Nanoman,

Calm down and breathe. You
hcmomof4
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 02:39 PM
This is, I swear, not a personal attack. I am not trying to imply anything.

It's just that this comment, "Of the 24 distributors I have signed up about 20 of the 24 are just personal users and are not interested in signing anyone up, the business, or getting paid. They simply are users of the product as they like what it does for them." also describes the majority of people busted for selling illegal drugs...
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 06:35 PM
EDHUK said:

"I will continue to stand by my assertion that David Schmidt is a con man. The proof of that statement may never come, especially if he disappears and, as CMG has suggested, someone else picks up the reigns and runs the company in a manner that satisfies the hard working distributors."

Just to clarify, I wasn't saying that I believe the patches work. It's just that it seems that there is some discontent within LifeWave circles about the management. I can see where a person may come along, sell a virtually identical product and get some traction, if only temporarily, because of claiming that the managerial problems have been addressed. I seem to recall something similar happening in the past with some MLM-thing, although I can't call up exact details on it from memory.
Captain America: Lifewave Defender
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 08:40 PM
Hemomo4f: Just a few random thoughts, take them personally:

Follow the following instructions:
1.Go online or get a dictionary, and look up the word CRETIN
2.Read the definition.
3.Find a mirror in the place you call home, your trailer.
4.Look in the mirror and realize for the first time that you are a condemned CRETIN.
5.Pray that your miserable sniveling existence will be mercifully short lived and that the grim reaper will visit you and your pox infested family and quickly lay waste to you and yours.
6.You are gutless and spineless.
7.PUNK!!
8.Just tell me where you want to meet, so I can beat you like the sissy you are.
9.ANYTIME ANYPLACE
Joe
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 10:20 PM
Fight! Fight!


I got lost at number 6. How does hcmomof4 complete tasks 6, 7, and 9. PUNK!! is such a vague instruction. I'm sure hcmomof4 would like more precise instructions.
Joe
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 10:35 PM
Follow the following instructions to be like DS:

1. Get 2-year business degree
2. Invent the most spectacular scientific breakthrough ever.
3. Look up nanotechnology in the dictionary.
4. Recruit closest circle of weasel friends.
5. Evaluate market research and decide on a MLM-style of growth.
6. Establish an MLM company from the ground up (or top down).
7. Sell patches at high prices in order to conduct research.
8. Rethink step 7 and keep money.
9. Invent many more types of patches without putting a foot into a research facility.
10. Abandon ship and sip margaritas in the Caribbean.
11. PUNK!!
hcmomof4
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 | 02:26 AM
sniff sniff...

Geez, I hit a nerve I guess!!

However, at least I'm not a man, promising to beat up on a woman. Talk about gutless and spineless!

And, for the record, if that was a response to my most recent comment, I was sincere in saying that I was not trying to make any implications.
Concerned Citizen for Truth
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 | 02:29 AM
WOW! what looney bind or rock did this guy "Captain America Defender Lifewave" either escape from or crawl out from under? He doesn't need patches, he needs electric shock theraphy! He sounds like he needs anger management and maybe a frontal lobatomy.
Captain America: LifeWave Defender's DAD
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 | 06:39 AM
Captain America: Lifewave Defender

As a son, you have been a bitter disappointment.

Even though we moved house ten times in your first six years of life, you still managed to find us!

Our friends would pat you on the head and try to feed you a bone.

We changed our name but people still called you our son; I think the hump gave it away.

When you got into this LifeWave scam I told you you were wasting your money but you always know better.

And now you embarrass us one more time on this forum.

Son, at 58 years of age, it's time for you to leave home and get a real job. We're not going to feed you any more.

Your bags will be thrown outside for when you come home from the daycare center.

I know your mom slept with that hunchback down the road; you're no son of mine!

Go get a life.

Your EX DAD
Charybdis
in Hell
 Member
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 | 10:23 AM
<b>If this degenerates into playground name-calling I won't have any guilty feelings about closing this thread. Play nice, or as nicely as possible with such inherently opposed ideologies, or you'll have to find somewhere else to play.

Additionally, lay off the name changing. Your IP's still tell us who you are and we frown on the use of multiple personas by the same person.

Charybdis - Moderator</b>
br d
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 | 12:22 PM
Tell you what though, as far as I can recall (and it's been a loooonnngggg read!), that's the first time the mods have felt the need to give the contributors to this thread a friendly dig. Pretty good going considering the opposing viewpoints. Well done everybody!

As you were.

br d
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 07:47 AM
Seems everybody has been sent to their rooms for a time out.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 08:35 AM
Wow. Been out of town for a few days and when I come back I can't believe what I'm reading.

Just when I thought the defenders of Lifewave couldn't get any wackier, along comes the enforcer, Captain America (" Believe in Lifewave and no one will get hurt!") and Sam, with her electro-therapy which is so bizarre it has to be done on horses to avoid criminal charges, and because horses can't refuse treatment.

"replacing electricity in the cells of the body, making them healthy and removing the resistance so the body can heal itself naturally"

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Then she has the gall to say skeptics need to have an open mind! She needs to open her mind to the fact that her treatment is a bunch of bullshit or should I say horse shit. I noticed her website has a link to testimonials. That ought to be good! Who did she treat? Mr. Ed? I especially like her page that describes the treatment plan and the people involved:

Veterinarian
Electro-therapist
Trainer
Farrier
You

I'm willing to bet if you take Electro-therapist off the list, the results will be the same.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 11:10 AM
Captain Al

Good to see you back.

I was concerned we might go off on a tangent talking about the Electro Acuscope therapy so I took the liberty of starting a new forum. Sam hasn't mentioned if she approves.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/1145/

Dave
EDH UK
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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 11:57 AM
EDHUK,

Yes, I briefly saw your new thread about Electro Acuscope therapy. I might just look into Sam's site some more and comment on it. Somehow I don't think she will approve.
ThermoMagnetic Man
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 03:50 PM
hcmomof4
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 04:30 PM
"Could anyone with 20 neurons to boast of really think that?"

I don't have any idea if 20 neurons would be an average number, (remember, I am now convinced I'm a cretin...)but the problem is that DS and his minions don't have to lie about whether or not the patches have an effect on people. Way too many people are willing to feel the effect. The lie is how the effect is affected.

On a side note -- I wonder how many Wavers are proud to have Capitan as their defender?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 04:58 PM
ThermoMagnetic Man

Thank you for reminding us that David Schmidt has as much scientific knowledge as a tree.

"The action of a magnet on a human could be due in part to the fact that human blood contains iron. In one theory the iron in the blood causes the blood to be attracted to the part of the body in which the magnet is worn: this effect would be the reason for the improvement for the circulation"

Well, know we know. "Dr. Schmidt" has enlightened us.

Any questions?

?
ThermoMagnetic Man
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 08:01 PM
"DS and his minions don't have to lie about whether or not the patches have an effect on people. Way too many people are willing to feel the effect."

Cretin, I have to agree. On the subject of the placebo effect, I had a dream awhile ago that I was in a horrible car crash. Normally I'm a very heavy sleeper so I would have no use for a Rest Quiet patch, but at the instant of the "crash" I bolted upright, instantly wide awake, with my heart practically jumping out of my chest it was pounding so hard and so fast. I guess it was because my body had responded to the "crash" -- which existed only in my mind -- by instantly injecting into my system every available drop of adrenalin. So I know first hand the power of the mind over the body. We've probably all had similar experiences.

They say that people with pets live longer. I'm guessing that that isn't due to any medicinal effect of dogs, cats, and parakeets, or the healthy habits of people who choose pets. I'm guessing that it's because of the powerful ability of the mind and its emotional states to influence the body. But that's just my personal opinion, which isn't particularly well informed on this subject.

So as long as people say, "I don't care what the scientists say, and I don't care what the studies do or don't say, and I don't care if the guy selling these things is a pathological liar, I feel terrific when I wear these medallions/bracelets/patches/nose rings," DS will be there to sell the masses more of his latest madallions and patches.

I have to disagree with Denver LifeWaver's comments that DS is a poor businessman. You have to tip your chapeau to the guy for making apparently a lot of money with nothing but smoke and mirrors, and so far avoiding jail. There's probably only a tiny percentage of the population that could have pulled that off. But time will tell whether he gets to keep his money, and whether he gets to keep his freedom.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 08:49 PM
It gets better:

"referring to the work of Davis and Rawls...

...indicate that the right side of the body is positive (electrically) and the left side is negative."

There you have it folks, the dawn of a new scientific era.

Schmidt works on a patch system utilizing the "well known" work of two great scientists, Davis and Rawls, and their positive negative body.

I suppose we can all wonder what happens to the current once it has travelled from the negative half to the positive half?

Oh, I forgot, David Schmidt's electrical knowledge isn't all that good. He believes electrical current travels from the positive to the negative. But, that's a small hurdle compared to "inventing" energy patches.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 09:05 PM
Uh Oh

"When science attempts to explain magnetism, there is trouble. Unfortunately, I just happened to borrow the Albert Roy Davis book Magnetism (referenced below) from the Schwartz Family library.

It attempts to explain Biomagnetism in scientific terms. There is trouble. Let me say first that the authors have gone completely looney-crackers.

It is the worst writing of preposterous content by a couple of crackpots in any book I have seen since I learned how to read in 1950.

KEEP OUT should be stamped on the book cover and the publishers ought to be horse whipped."

"One MD said if magnetic healing could take place, "we would all feel better after an MRI."

http://www.horse-previews.com/896articles/animal_magnetism.html

Magnetism And Its Effects On The Living System
by Albert Roy Davis and Walter C. Rawls, Jr.
Exposition Press, Smithtown, New York
1974, 132 pages, all nonsense * ISBN 0-682-48087-8

Well I guess the reviewer didn't take too kindly to our "scientists"

Still, not to worry. DS has never had to worry about facts or reality has he?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 09:21 PM
Still thinking about David Schmidt and the magnetic blood.

Re: MRI Equipment

"As metallic objects may experience a strong attraction to the magnet, it is very important that you notify the researcher of any metal objects, devices or implants that are in or on your body before entering the magnet room. This includes biomedical devices such as pacemakers and aneurysm clips, prostheses, and other metallic objects embedded in the body such as bullets, buckshot, shrapnel, and any metal fragments from working around metal.

All other metallic objects must also be removed from your person prior to entering the magnet room or approaching the magnet to prevent them from becoming a projectile or being pulled by the magnet. This includes keys, jewelry, pocket knives, money clips, paper clips, safety pins, hair pins, and barrettes. In addition, objects such as watches, credit cards, and hearing aids could be damaged in the presence of the magnetic field."

Nothing about magnetic blood though.
Wonder why?
Anybody?
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ThermoMagnetic Man
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 | 11:00 PM
Regarding DS's theories which he built upon the foundational groundwork laid by Davis and Rawls:

At least DS started with a sound theoretical basis, relatively speaking, before pinning the fruit cake meter that goes to eleven.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 | 01:01 AM
David Schmidt apparantly said:

"The action of a magnet on a human could be due in part to the fact that human blood contains iron. In one theory the iron in the blood causes the blood to be attracted to the part of the body in which the magnet is worn: this effect would be the reason for the improvement for the circulation"

Um, wouldn't that cause a blood clot at the site of the magnet? That would be a BAD thing, yes?

Or is Schmidt trying to say that the magnets "pull" the blood to their location where it rushes past at high speed, as if pulled through a pump? That doesn't make any sense, either...but what does, really, in the Magical World of LifeWave?
hcmomof4
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 | 04:27 AM
"Or is Schmidt trying to say that the magnets "pull" the blood to their location where it rushes past at high speed, as if pulled through a pump?"

Biology, and most things medical, (other than what's needed to keep the kids alive) is pretty much out of my league. Maybe not even in the same country... However, isn't the pump part the heart? So now I have to believe that my heart is a magnet, and it wants to talk on a cell phone?

On the subject of MRIs, my youngest son had one last year, as part of a UCLA study group on brain development. I was allowed to be in the room with him, since he was kinda nervous. I had a hardcover book, and folded inside was a few papers, held together with a paperclip. The clip wasn't exposed at all, it was completely inside the book. Until the machine was turned on...

That was one of the coolest most impressive things I've ever seen! Scared the crap out of me, but it was still amazing!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 | 12:25 PM
Writing On The Wall

LifeWavers. Given that nothing we skeptics can ever say will pursuade you to give up these hokey patches, why don't you get yourself an energy pendent?

I think this is also a load of old hooey, but heck, you only have to make one purchase and you are done.

http://www.qlinkgolf.com/Scripts/default.asp

It's all there folks, the resonant energy enhancer etc. etc.

But no crappy sticky patches.

If LifeWavers go over to using the pendent it will give us skeptics something new to discuss!

Better website, and they have infomercials on TV, so it MUST be real, right?

EDH UK
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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 | 02:19 PM
hcmomof4 said:

"Biology, and most things medical, (other than what's needed to keep the kids alive) is pretty much out of my league. Maybe not even in the same country... However, isn't the pump part the heart? So now I have to believe that my heart is a magnet, and it wants to talk on a cell phone?"

Oh, believe me, I know that Schmidt is full of crap. I'm just trying to understand what KIND of crap.

As for MRI's, my daughter has had a couple of those, too. She had Bell's Palsy (which she is now over, thankfully). Yeah, they don't fool around with those things; they're POWERFUL magnets.

See, LifeWavers, it takes LARGE, POWERFUL magnets to do anything of value with the human body. Itsy bitsy little magnets ain't gonna do crap.

I mean, if you're going to strap dinky little magnets to your body, why, you might as well wear small plastic Band-Aids with glycerin and molasses in 'em for all the good it will do you. That would be silly, though.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 | 05:14 PM
Folks, I promise I'm not making this stuff up.

Now that we've all (ahem) accepted that DS has "invented" a novel energy making system, I present:

"New Invention Allows Humans To Live Forever"

"According to Alex Chiu, that's me, people can stay young and live forever by using this new invention - The Eternal Life Rings, or The Eternal Life Foot Braces.

The Eternal Life Rings are rings that are to be worn on both small fingers of a user during sleep.

The Eternal Life Foot Braces are to be worn on all fingers of both feet of a user during sleep.

Both devices consist of simply magnets and braces which hold magnets onto the fingers of the user.

Mr. Alex Chiu claims that the magnetic devices both are believed to allow a user to stay young forever or to become younger! The inventor explained that the magnetic pole on the right small finger or on the right foot is opposite to the poles of the magnets on the left small finger or of the left foot.

With a different pole on each side of the human body, blood circulation and electric current of the body are propelled.

The speeded up blood circulation and electric current generates a faster metabolism in order to fight the aging process. The mentioned devices invented by Alex Chiu are believed to alter aging or to keep the users young as long as the users wear them every night during sleep.

The devices also cure many handicaps and diseases. Alex Chiu is an inventor who is mainly specialized in effects on human health by magnetic forces."

Well, there you have it; more blood wizzing around your body at high speeds turning back the hands of time!

Brilliant!

Well, stop me if you think I'm crazy (ok that's everyone) but if you speed something up, don't you wear it out quicker?

Doesn't a bear in hibernation SLOW everything down and manage to quietly get through the winter?

If DS's patches actually speed up processes, don't you wear yourself out quicker?

Enjoy.

Dave
EDH UK

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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 | 05:58 PM
EDH UK said:

"If DS's patches actually speed up processes, don't you wear yourself out quicker?"

That is SUCH Western thinking! Sheesh. If you would only use feng shui to harmonize your chi and align your chakras, you'd see the fallacy of your non-Eastern mindset.

I mean, doesn't the water in a toilet swirl the opposite way below the Equator? I don't know if that's really true or what it would mean, but it proves SOMETHING, right? OPEN YOUR MINDS, you skeptics!
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 | 10:14 PM
"Iron atoms in a magnet are crammed together in a solid state about one atom apart from one another. In your blood only four iron atoms are allocated to each hemoglobin molecule, and they are separated by distances too great to form a magnet. This is easily tested by pricking your finger and placing a drop of your blood next to a magnet." --Michael Shermer
ThermoMagnetic Man
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 | 11:00 PM
(Homer Nazeran
ThermoMagnetic Man
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 | 11:02 PM
(Homer Nazeran
hcmomof4
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 | 12:13 AM
"LifeWave energy patches are novel nanoscale semiconducting biomolecular antennas..."

When I read a novel I'm not expecting truth...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 | 12:09 PM
ThermoMagnetic Man
"
Until the horse acupuncture/patch study which supposedly just came out, which I haven
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 | 12:11 PM
Part II

So, there you have it, cut and dried, right?

Well, I suppose we should consider a few points before we get excited.

Is Dr. DeRock an unbiased professional conducting the "study"?

She sells LifeWave products:
http://www.lifewave.com/drderock

She sells Transfer Factor:
http://www.equineacupuncture.com/4-life.html

How about the respected veterinary Journal?

The American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association (AHVMA).
http://www.ahvma.org/

Look like nice people.

Wednesday, September 21, 2005

"This remarkable group had the courage to promote holistic care for pets despite the resistance of many conservative, conventional veterinarians. Now, in part because of the AHVMA
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 | 12:21 PM
Final thought about AHVMA
http://www.ahvma.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=5

"The AHVMA is dedicated to the idea of solid, comprehensive research that is publishable in a peer-reviewed journal, and which supports holistic medicine."

"It will help in our efforts to be better recognized and integrated into "mainstream" veterinary medicine, especially as is embodied by the AVMA."

With the greatest of respect to the AHVMA, I wonder how DR DeRock's use of wortheless LifeWave glucose and glycerin patches, from a scam MLM company, on horses will further the aims of the AHVMA to be accepted by "mainstream" veterinary medicine?

Not a great deal I would suggest.

EDH UK
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Shortpump
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 | 10:28 AM
I'm not sure who to believe about these patches except myself. I'm a 58 year old cyclist, who by coincidence was given these patches minutes before a 50 mile bike ride. I had no knowledge of what they were, who made them or what they could do. My friend simply said, "Here, try these," and off we went. I experienced a significant improvement in my hill climbing and ability to stay with the group. Still not knowing what to expect from whatever these things on my chest were, I never thought about them as I rode (there goes the placebo effect)and forgot that I had them on during and after the ride. All I can say is simply this, if you have not tried something, then you really can't talk intelligently about it. And to answer your question, "No I do not sell these patches, not interested in doing so and I'm not a scientist. BUT, I will try them again just to see if, as they say, "Was it real, or was it Memorex!"
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 | 11:56 AM
Shortpump

That's a great cyclist name by the way!

It's always interesting to hear anecdotal evidence.

"... there goes the placebo effect..."

If you had not known that the patches were applied to your body, you could have claimed this.

If someone places patches on my body just before a ride, my mind/body will be affected; it's impossible not to be. A great deal goes on in our bodies that is not at the conscious level.

"...if you have not tried something, then you really can't talk intelligently about it."

So, you believe it's not possible to talk about something if you haven't tried it?

I suppose all news programs and commentators who have not been to Iraq and fired a gun better stop discussing the war immediately.

I think it is possible to discuss the issue at hand.

Has David Schmidt, self proclaimed "inventor and Doctor" stumbled across one of the most important scientific breakthroughs of all time?

Given the vast amount of information generated about this topic, I would suggest the odds are heavily against this being the case.

As with all users who get an effect, I wish you luck with the patches. I just happen to believe you were responsible for your own improvement, which implies you have been psychologically "holding back" for a while.

Good luck with your riding/racing.

EDH UK
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Shortpump
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 | 06:27 PM
Hi EDHUK, thanks for the compliment on the name, "Shortpump". I just want to add something to your comments, if I may. First, do you cycle competitively? If you do, then you know that while riding in an event, you don't have time to think about what is working or is not working with regards to a patch, a drink, a energy bar, or any substance other than your own physical condition, etc. But if you don't ride competitively, unlike the news reporters who have people write their stories about the war in Iraq, then you can't say that "it is impossible", now can you? (:-)At this point in my life, I've learned that a lot of things are possible.

Lastly, one more question for ya, have you tried the patch?? If you haven't......then, ya know what i'm going to say, BUT, I'll spare you because you sound like a very intelligent and nice person.Take care and thanks for the response!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 | 07:00 PM
Shortpump

"But if you don't ride competitively, unlike the news reporters who have people write their stories about the war in Iraq, then you can't say that "it is impossible", now can you? ("

Sorry, but you've rather lost me there.

"Lastly, one more question for ya, have you tried the patch??"

You haven't read this forum have you?

It's dejavu time.

Cheers,
Dave
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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 | 07:16 PM
Shortpump, have you ever tried tying a pork chop to your helmet before a race? It *might* give you some extra energy via the transfer of meaty juices to your scalp.

Oh, you haven't tried it? Then you can't possibly say that it's a dumb idea which violates logic and the known laws of physics, can you?

See the problem with that whole "If you haven't tried it, you can't criticize it" thing?
Bill Nott
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 | 07:50 PM
Now thats just to silly.. even for you media guy....
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 | 07:54 PM
Shortpump,

Did you beat your previous best time by 15-40%, which is the amount that the LifeWave peddlers (no pun intended) advertise as the expected performance gains?
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 | 08:09 PM
Bill, welcome back.

A couple weeks ago I suggested that you do your own double blind, placebo controlled study, by wearing patches (e.g., maybe in pockets sewn into your t-shirt) to see if you can consistently tell new LifeWave patches from ones that have been used, based only on the effect you feel from the patches. If not, you'll at least know that you don't need to buy any more new patches. Did you run the test, and what were the results?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 | 08:47 PM
Bill Nott

Good to see you back Bill.

How did you get on with your application for the sure $1 Million from the James Randi Foundation?

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
hcmomof4
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 01:03 AM
"LifeWave peddlers"

Joel, that was the best!!!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 02:11 AM
Bill Nott said:

"Now thats just to silly.. even for you media guy...."

Oh, is it? Time and time again, when we skeptics point out how the claims made for the LifeWave patches violate the known laws of physics, the answer we get is, "Have you tried them? If not, what right do you have to criticize?"

If you honestly think that that is a valid response, then how can you possibly reject the use of the head-mounted pork chop when I'm sure you haven't tried it, right?

That's the problem with "How can you criticize if you haven't tried it?" It can be applied to anything. Can you say with 100% certainty that a pork chop CANNOT interact with the electrical field around the human body? Are you ABSOLUTELY sure, without having tested it scientifically, that a piece of meat CAN'T transfer its life energy to your body, increasing your stamina and therefore your athletic performance?

Still think that this is an absurd and obviously false claim? Ah, now you're starting to understand how we feel about the claims made for LifeWave.

Suppose I told you that I ran 20% faster with the pork chop on my head than I did without it. Assume, for the sake of this discussion, that I am completely serious about this claim. NOW would you start to believe that dead meat attached to one's skull improves performance? No? But doesn't my anecdotal evidence convince you? No?

Suppose I found ten other people who made the same claim. STILL think that the notion that attaching a pork chop to one's head improves athletic performance is absurd? But what about my explanation that the pork chop interacts with the electrical field around the human body? Doesn't THAT convince you? No? Gee, you're a skeptic, aren't you?

What's it going to take to convince you of the performance-enhancing power of dead lamb? Properly-conducted scientific testing? Damn, you are SO close-minded!

At this point, you are probably shaking your head, thinking that I'm just being silly. Trust me, that's exactly the way we skeptics feel when LifeWave defenders keep insisting that little plastic patches with molasses and glycerin can somehow "interact with the human electrical field" and do all the amazing (and physical law-violating) things they claim the patches can do.

Remember, when it comes to strapping a pork chop on your head, "You can't criticize it if you haven't tried it." You just can't argue with logic like that.
Bill Nott
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 04:51 AM
yaaaawn.. booooring
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 08:34 AM
Bill Nott

How do you have time to be bored Bill? You are preparing your demonstration of the effectiveness of the LifeWave energy enhancing patch system, aren't you?

I certainly couldn't afford to turn down a sure Million bucks.

Please update us on your progress.

Dave
EDH UK
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Bill Nott
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 09:36 AM
this forum has turned into a stagnant pool..... a broken record playing the same tune over , and over , and over , and over ...........

Time to move on people......... enjoy life...you really don't know what day may be the last... is this how you would choose to spend your last hours on this world.. in THIS forum ?? why waste such an incredible amount of precious time on something so negative....... does all the bashing , bantering, belittling and vain attempts at disproving make your lives seem more fulfilling ?

I'm betting 10 to 1 almost all who post in this forum regularly are either single.. or in unhealthy relationships.... because nothing healthy can grow in tainted soil...... tainted with nothing but negativity.........

I bid you all good day........ fare thee well........ and pray that some may find the strength to pull them selves out of the sewer that is this forum......

God bless always... and take care..................
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 09:48 AM
Bill Nott,

Negativity? Exposing a scam is a positive thing, very positive. I feel great about it. So should you.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 09:54 AM
Bill Nott

I am so disappointed you have decided to depart without addressing ANY of the questions put to you.

Your reasons, of course, are all too transparent.

"is this how you would choose to spend your last hours on this world.. in THIS forum ?? "

Your words, therefore YOU are here in THIS forum, "wasting your time".

"I'm betting 10 to 1 almost all who post in this forum..."

Bill, you have bet everything on the energy patches being real. How could anything you bet on be true?

If this forum is "in the sewer" it is because the self proclaimed "Dr. Schmidt" has put it there.

Please don't waste your prayers, especially on a Sunday!

Cheers.
Dave
EDH UK
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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 02:11 PM
So, Bill Nott, when push comes to shove, it comes down to personal insults?

Using my (deliberately) silly pork chop analogy, I raised some reasonable questions I honestly wanted to see your response to. Instead, you chose to run off with your tail between your legs.

Be honest with yourself, Bill. You really don't have a good response to my skewering of the whole "How can you criticize if you haven't tried it?" "argument," do you? Since much of the "logic" behind the support of the pseudo-science nonsense of the LifeWave patches is based on that very "argument," shouldn't the fact that it's SO easy to point out the fallacy behind it cause you to question LifeWave?

I'm not trying to be self-aggrandizing here. I'm hardly the first person to point out the problem with "How can you criticize if you haven't tried it?" I'm just the most recent. The bottom line here is that that same "logic" really CAN be applied to anything, even something as silly as tying a pork chop to your head.

You don't appear to be a stupid guy, Bill. Apply some of your intelligence to recognizing that LifeWave is nothing more than a plastic pork chop (metaphorically speaking).
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 03:22 PM
What was so silly about the pork chop strapped to the head? "Dr." Schmidt's patent application said that the presence of amino acids causes the body's energy field to twist to the left, thus creating a buildup of energy in the body, and that's why his patches contain amino acids. E.g., paragraph 26 says:

"In one embodiment, the invention provides an apparatus including biomolecular components associated with building-up of energy, wherein the biomolecular components may include, for example, but not limited to a Left-Handed molecule such as an amino acid (e.g., L-Glutamine)."

I'll bet that that pork chop, with all its protein, contains a lot more amino acids than the typical LifeWave patch. So if you believe "Dr." Schmidt's writings, a pork chop hat seems like a perfectly straightforward application of "Dr." Schmidt's theories. How can any LifeWave believer possibly dismiss a pork chop hat?

Maybe Bill Nott was thinking, "A pork chop hat would be stupid. Any moron would know that you should put the pork chop on an acupuncture point, not on the skull, to get the full effect of your energy field being bent to the left in the presence of amino acids."
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 03:42 PM
Well, guys, the main thing is that "Dr" David Schmidt's scam company has made a few more sales this week-end.

With his new lifestyle to maintain he needs every dollar he can get from his worker bees.

Buzz buzz busy bee busy bee busy bee.

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 04:51 PM
Okay, so Bill Nott's gone. Bring on the next Lifewaver that discovers this site and :

1. Is anxious to tell us he tried them and it works so that should convince us.
2. Cut and pastes pseudo-scientific explanations he doesn't understand directly from the Lifwave website.
3. Hasn't read the whole thread and doesn't realize all his arguments have been discussed here ad nauseam.
4. Thinks we skeptics doubt anything and everything.
5. Doesn't stop to think, since David Schmidt knows nothing about biology, chemistry or physics, how could he have invented a miracle nanotechnology energy patch? (And won't respond to questions about it.)
6. Thinks since some professional athletes endorse it, it must be real.
7. Says we can't knock it until we've tried it.

How many times do we have to go throught this?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 05:27 PM
Captain Al,

You are right, and for Bill and other LifeWavers, that is the really "yaaaawn.. booooring" aspect of this forum.

EDH UK
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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 06:43 PM
I might not have made it clear in my last post so let me say I wasn't referring to just Bill Nott. I meant it for all the wavers who have dropped by.
hcmomof4
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 | 09:44 PM
CMG, there is a major flaw in your argument --"I ran 20% faster with the pork chop on my head..."
"What's it going to take to convince you of the performance-enhancing power of dead lamb?"

Pork isn't lamb...
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