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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 12:50 PM
WOW

Now we have LifeWave scientists and Senior Scientists and Jim Caldwell all posting on this hokey little forum that LifeWavers believe only 7 people read!

Well, even though I'm obviously flogging a dead horse here (no pun intended).

Studies being published ARE NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING or AN END IN THEMSELVES.

I'm painfully aware that LifeWave LLC would love people to believe that a published study = PROOF POSITIVE but the scientific community does not work that way.

LifeWave, you will continue to make your money while we wait (probably for ever) for someone other than a distributor to repeat published studies.

I believe the authorities will close LifeWave LLC long before we see any feedback on the usefulness, or more likely, the worthlessness of these "Studies".

As for the LifeWave "scientists". I guess you keep your resumes updated, however you might want to put "private consulting" for the LifeWave period of your employment when the time comes.

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Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 12:57 PM
Nanoman, I can only believe you when you say this study was conducted and that these were the results because I must assume that if you were to make them up yourself you would have given numbers that actually showed some sort of change.

1. An increase of 22.3% was measured in the lipid side of the ATP cycle of energy production. As part of the Study for LifeWave Energy Patches we found an average of 22.3% increase in the subject's ability to convert lipids into energy when the energy patches were applies to the subjects.

Umm
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 06:49 PM
Nanoman said:

"1. A two patch energy system that "talks" to your body, but only manages to be "understood" by a few people. - It is understood by thousands of people. It is not understood by people who can't be open to anything other than western medicine."

Um, pardon me, but what is "non-Western" about "nanotechnology" which you claim the LifeWave patches use to perform their miracles?

I kinda thought that Eastern mumbo-jumbo rejected Western technology and went for "holistic" "natural" cures.

Oh, gee, I just realized that this might be "holistic" "natural" nanotechnology. Honestly, I really do expect that to be your response.

Does anyone other than me think it's getting a little deep in here, if you catch my meaning?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 06:56 PM
Sam said:

"I do a therapy called Electro-Acuscope on horses. It deals with replacing electricity in the cells of the body, making them healthy and removing the resistance so the body can heal itself naturally. So I work with energy on a daily basis."

What the hell does any of that mean? Sorry to break it to you, but we ALL "work with energy on a daily basis." That's the only part of what you said that I understood. Yes, I realize I'm locked into my non-holistic Western scientific ways, but, honestly, you seem to be spouting gibberish to me.

Can you prove, under controlled conditions, that you "replace the electricity in the cells of the body"? By the way, what do you replace it with? Better, more holistic, electricity? What do you do with the electricity you remove? How do you "reduce the resistance" of the body's cells? Would that not render the patient more subject to electrical shock from outside the body?

My head spins in mere anticipation of the amazing answers you will provide.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 06:58 PM
CMG

Got my pitchfork at the ready if you know what I mean!

I know where I'd like to stick it too, if you know what I mean!

ps

I'm so glad the "LifeWave Scientists" have joined the fray.

Now we can delve into the nether regions of the LifeWave miracle, through the back door, if you know what I mean!

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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 06:59 PM
Jim Caldwell said:

"It is well known that the energies of the body are influenced by a number of factors some of which can be explained by acupuncture, electromagnetic and bioenergetic sciences. It is clear to me that the patches of all variations offer a measurable physiological response changing and regulating the nervous system."

Well, if it's "clear" that the patches do this, then it should be trivial to demonstrate that under controlled conditions, right? So, Jim, when can we expect that you will apply for the Million Dollar Challenge? You'd like to win a million dollars for merely demonstrating something that's "clear" to you, right? I know I sure would.

Of course, the first problem is that you'd have to explain exactly what you intend to prove in specific, non-vague, terms. I think that would bring things to a screeching halt.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 07:06 PM
Jim Caldwell said:

"On December 13, 2005, Dr. Dean Clark reported his conclusions of Infrared Imaging of the Rest Quiet patch."

You know, it's fascinating--LifeWave does its voodoo in a way that can't be understood by Western science, right? So, why would Infrared Imaging be used to "prove" that they work? I mean, I don't think that ancient Chi practicioners invented Infrared Imaging, did they?

You LifeWave defenders are constantly telling us that Western science is inadequate at understanding your amazing breakthrough, yet when it suits your purposes, you trot out the Infrared Imaging.

I would have thought WE would be the ones breaking out the Infrared Sensors and YOU guys would be saying they weren't up to the job.

By the way, have you tried your same Infrared Sensing tests with simple Band-Aids? I have a feeling that normal bandages might heat or cool a small area of the human body temporarily.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 07:44 PM
CMG

Your reasoning is far too logical for the LifeWave movement, if you know what I mean!

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Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 09:04 PM
I wonder if holistic veterinarian Dr. DeRock normalized her tests by making sure that, before she began, all of her horsies were harmonized to the same resonant frequencies. She definitely should have held vials of computer-imprinted vodka over them and whacked them upside the head several times. Otherwise you never know what kind of crazy, unreliable data she might have gotten.
Sam
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 11:21 PM
In a message dated 3/17/2006 5:56:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) writes:
Can you prove, under controlled conditions, that you "replace the
electricity in the cells of the body"? By the way, what do you replace it
with? Better, more holistic, electricity? What do you do with the
electricity you remove? How do you "reduce the resistance" of the body's
cells? Would that not render the patient more subject to electrical shock
from outside the body?

If I thought for one moment that you were remotely interested, I would respond to your questions. If you were really interested you would have gone to the web site I gave you and read about the therapy. I didn't read all of the posts on this site.. and I should have.

Those of you who have replied have exhibited childish and argumentative behavior. It's apparent to me that you aren't the least bit interested in any truths.. What is unfortunate for you is that someday one of theses therapies could benefit you or someone you hold dear and you'll never know about it.

Just because you decide to not educate yourself about something doesn't mean it's a hoax.
hcmomof4
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 11:54 PM
Just because argumentative "closed minded" people decide to not believe in something doesn't mean it isn't a hoax...
hcmomof4
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 11:57 PM
Uhhhmmmmm...
...not...doesn't...isn't...
ok, three negatives in one sentence...
I think it ends up where I intended for it to.
Sam
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 12:18 AM
Just because argumentative "closed minded" people decide to not believe in
something doesn't mean it isn't a hoax...

I find your comments on this forum not only offensive but non constructive. If you are going degrade someone or a company for something you choose to be "close minded" about, the least you could do is demonstrate an ounce of professionalism.

Attacking creditablity does not prove or disprove the merits of a product or science. The proof is basically in the results.

Just in my therapy alone, there have been plenty of skeptics among the veterinarians I work with. When improvement occurs at an acceleration not taught in vet school and positive results are achieved, how can they argue this? And yes, the therapy has plenty of university studies and is used in the sports therapy dept at Kaiser among numerous althetic teams,chiropractors, physical therapists and more. Usually those that are skeptical send me clients they have given up on. Not all recover, but those who do bridge new relationships with the veterinarians who were skeptical.

You can ask questions without attacking a persons integrity. You'll get farther and maybe you'll learn something or maybe you will discover that hoax and be a benefit to the public using this forum.

You know the mind is like a parachute. If you don't open it, you can't learn anything.

By not doing so.. you become the hoax and soon enough no one will want to visit this forum as the example you set among those who continue to reply (with your example) will become distasteful in their responses. ... think about it.
hcmomof4
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 01:01 AM
"I find your comments on this forum not only offensive but non constructive. If you are going degrade someone or a company for something you choose to be "close minded" about, the least you could do is demonstrate an ounce of professionalism."

Huh? I'll go along with the non constructive part, but how the hell can the sentence you were responding to be considered offensive? I'm not trying to be all that "constructive", there are several others doing a fine job of it. Mostly I try to point out some of the inane arguments. I demonstrate tons of professionalism. Should the occasion arise that involves my profession, you'll have no complaints about my behaviour.

"Attacking creditablity does not prove or disprove the merits of a product or science." I'm at a bit of a loss here. What part of this sentence "Just because argumentative 'closed minded' people decide to not believe in something doesn't mean it isn't a hoax..." (ok, sentence fragment or run on or whatever...) attacks anyone's credibility?

And, just to be un-attacking, Sam, you should stick around. You do provide credibility to your side of the argument, because no matter how magnanimous anyone tries to be, illiteracy does not lend much weight to an argument. (I'm not talking about a few typos, I mean the difficult to decipher stuff...) At least you sound like you are coming from somewhere past pure emotion.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 01:37 AM
A completely open mind is a completely empty mind.
Pappa
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 06:49 AM
I have read every page in this thread. A few thing hold true throghout the discussion.

1. Life wavers new to this forum seldom read past current page.
2. Life wavers never answer questions.
3. Life wavers want you to just try them.
4. Life wavers probably know that MLM has a high percentage of unethical participants.


Tell you what. Bill Nott, Jim Caldwell, Nanoman, send me one months supply of patches for free. I will then try them for 3 months. If they work, I will give you 200.00 dollars apiece becasue you trusted your product enough to let me try for free.

My gut tells me none of you will respond to this.

Oh, I really want to try the sleep patches too. I have not slept for more than 3 hours a night for several years now. I would pay 500.00 if I can accomplish that.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 08:04 AM
Sam,

"...the least you could do is demonstrate an ounce of professionalism."

Sorry there are non-professionals posting on this forum.

"The proof is basically in the results."

Would it therefore be fair to say that, in the case of the pain study reported by "The Economist", subjects achieving excellent pain control should continue to use the placebo saline solution they were given?

Would it be fair to say, and this really is a serious question, that even though the LifeWave patches are placebo, shouldn't those who gain an effect continue to purchase them?

Regards,

EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 08:06 AM
The Economist Article on Pain Control

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwecono.htm

Thanks Bob for hosting a copy of the article.

EDH UK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 08:15 AM
Sam,

"Just in my therapy alone, there have been plenty of skeptics among the veterinarians I work with."

With the greatest of respect, this forum is about LifeWave LLC and the outrageous claims made by that company for an ever growing list of products.

Perhaps you would like to start a new forum on Electro-Acuscope therapy. I, for one, would probably contribute (making it only the second forum I have ever contributed to) as I am part of the veterinary world as well.

Cheers,

EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 08:27 AM
Sam,

Hope you approve.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/1145/


Regards,
Dave

EDH UK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 09:53 AM
"What he found was that when the placebo was being administered
Bill Nott
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 01:57 PM
Pappa.... i accept your offer.... here is my e-mail : .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

write to me there with your mailing adress and ill have both energy and sleep patches on thier way to you....
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 02:20 PM
Bill Nott

You're a good man Bill, but you already know I think that!

Cheers,
Dave
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 03:54 PM
THE REAL REASON LIFEWAVE WILL FAIL

I have watched and read the posts on this board with amusement. My sponsor has the biggest group out of Denver, Colorado I am also one of the first 1,000 distributors to join Lifewave, and have a large down-line. I have already made my initial investment back and have made several thousand dollars with the company. I am not a disgruntled distributor, just a realist who saw red flags in the beginning but wanted to believe, it was a young company with growing pains that are common to most young start up companies.

What most of the newbie Lifewave distributors (and defenders) don
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 05:43 PM
Denver LifeWaver,

Thank you for you candid post.

Presumably you still believe the energy patch that started it all works?

Given that all distributors share equally in responsibility when the company fails, will you feel a need to offer money back to any of your customers?

Dave
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 06:55 PM
"I paid to go to Las Vegas for the National Convention, and most of the people I meet there, thought it was a joke. We were told we would have a new website by the middle to the end of October. As of today, nothing has changed. I to am waiting for REAL independent peer reviewed studies, but it seems that the company just doesn
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 07:14 PM
Dave,

The people who purchased the patches for personal use and the people who joined as distributors felt results whether they were real or placebo I do not know. Since I can only speak for my group and am not a shareholder in Lifewave LLC, I only had 3 people who did not feel anything from wearing the patches and they returned the product to the company and got a full refund. All of the people in my group who signed up as distributors did so because they felt a profound feeling while wearing the patches. So to answer your question, I do not feel a personal obligation to reimburse anyone.

Let me also point out to any of the Lifewave distributors who read this forum and I know of over a couple of hundred who check it every now and then who might have read my other post and are thinking that I did not take the matching bonus into account. In reality, Lifewave does payout $82.50 ($50 for the cycle) $12.50(25% 1st level matching bonus) $10.00(20% 2nd level matching bonus) $10.00(20% 3rd level matching bonus) for the three levels of matching bonus. The fact still remains the company takes in $1259.10 for every $82.50 it pays out. Less then 7% is paid out to the distributor and his/her upline.

Since the independent distributor (worker bee) is the lifeblood of MLM companies, checking there temperature (how much they are earning) is a good indication on the health of the MLM (Lifewave). A lot of the distributors in my group drank the David Schmidt kool aid and bought into the Lifewave story. But the fact of the matter is that most people cannot make consistent real money with Lifewave. Why do you think Ken Rasner (who was recruited and brought in to give Lifewave some professional management and help the distributors) left the company after only 8 months? He knew that the worker bees were going to starve and that the company was not addressing how to make this a winning proposition for both the company and it
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 07:19 PM
Bill Nott, good for you. We have had plenty of people on this forum ask for someone to send them a sample set of patches and no other distributers have stood up.

Also Denver, I'm glad you are able to be so honest.

It's nice being able to debate with the two of you who act professional and respectful rather then people like nanoman. I think anyone who has read through this forum can tell that respect earns respect.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 08:30 PM
Razela

"It's nice being able to debate with the two of you who act professional and respectful rather then people like nanoman. I think anyone who has read through this forum can tell that respect earns respect."

Absolutely Razela.

This process has been bruising on both sides at times, but I hope one thing has consistently shone through.

Distributors like nanoman want to sell more product. The only way to achieve this is to convince more prospects to sign up by making out that skeptics are some form of lowlife hell bent on rubbishing claims made about the patches.

So far, I for one, have been accused of working for competing companies and other fanciful things.

Skeptics have continued to plod along pointing out the pure absurdity of the LifeWave claims. Great stuff if it could possibly be true, but given the wealth of information about the players and the company, incredibly unlikely.

I also hope it has been evident that I, and many others here, will take no pleasure in having our assertions proved correct.

I will feel bad about Bill up in Alaska. He's turned out to be a standup guy. His dad can feel proud. I hope Bill can find a way to channel his energies into something more rewarding than this scam.

EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 | 08:38 PM
Denver LifeWaver

"Please let Bill (WWSN) that he can cut and paste all my comments and send them out to his e-mail list."

It's Bob Burtis actually, and as he's pointed out, he doesn't have an email list from WWSN. That's why Network Solutions assertion that he was spamming people is nonsensical. How can you spam if there is no email account? Anyone?

The ability for Network Solutions (registrar only for WWSN) to shut the website down was astonishing.

I have already taken trade away from them. I hope others seriously consider this companies actions before they spend money with them.

Anyway, Bob checks this forum often. He'll be sure to see you have confirmed everything he has said about this, and other MLM's.

Dave

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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 01:33 AM
Razela said:

"We have had plenty of people on this forum ask for someone to send them a sample set of patches and no other distributers have stood up."

Just a quick correction here. Some time back, a distributor did send me a few patches for free. My wife wore them and didn't feel anything at all. Since then, though, I don't believe any LifeWavers have offered to send anyone any more free patches. I just wanted to set the record straight out of fairness.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 01:41 AM
Sam said:

"If I thought for one moment that you were remotely interested, I would respond to your questions. If you were really interested you would have gone to the web site I gave you and read about the therapy."

I'm not sure which web site you're referring to. I guess I missed it; if I had noticed it, I would have gone to it, believe me.

BTW, I thought my questions, while perhaps sarcastically phrased, were fair ones.

Like the one about lowered electrical resistance. My Dad fixed appliances for a living and I sometimes went with him to work when I was a kid. He would amaze me by sticking his index finger into the light socket inside a refrigerator to determine if there was electrical continuity there. It didn't seem to hurt him. On the few occasions when I have received a shock from a 110 volt AC circuit, my arm hurt like hell. Different people have different natural resistances to electricity, it seems.

If you could "lower the body's resistance to electricity," it seems to me that you would be increasing the person's susceptibility to shock from outside power sources. If possible via your method (which I strongly doubt), what you're doing might actually be dangerous.
hcmomof4
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 01:56 AM
If CMG's theory has any basis, the patches (if they worked as advertised) would probably work extremely well for me. I hate grocery shopping because I get shocked when I pick up canned goods. The outside of my car window is covered with my figerprints because I have to push on the glass to close the door or I'll get shocked. If I drop my keys, when I pick them up, I get shocked. My desire to "lower the body's resistance to electricity," is nil. If it gets any lower, I'll be able to cut my electric bill...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 05:56 AM
CMG

Sam included this link in an earlier post.

http://www.equinewellness.com/

I took the liberty of asking an open ended question about this therapy by starting a new forum.

http://www.equinewellness.com/

EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 05:57 AM
OK try again!

The new forum

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/1145/

EDH UK
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Bill Nott
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 06:24 AM
Just a question for Denver Lifewaver ...

aside form believing that Lifewave is a poorly managed company ( and yes,, there has been some mis-management ) ... i was just wondering what your position is on the actual product.... do you believe that the technology is real ?? or a scam...........
Concerned
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 08:37 AM
I can't speak for Denver LifeWaver but I agree LifeWave's management has been terrible with missed dates and key missing ingredients to make a company successful. This was due to the fact the company had little to know experience in MLM!

However, with the addition of Mike Collins this has turned around considerably. His track record speaks for itself as things has started to pick up.

As for the product(s) there is no question that they work.
Bill Nott
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 08:43 AM
very true ,, very true....
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 09:07 AM
Concerned and Bill Nott

With the greatest of respect both, all you definitively state is that you "believe" they work. The patches have not been shown to work by ANY widely accepted standards.

David Beckham (the footballer) was touted as a user of the patches. (As though that was supposed to mean something).

Here we see David Beckham and his wife having the equivalent of a palm reading session.

I kid you not folks, this is for real.
A BUM reading session!

http://www.psychicsam.com/pnbstar.htm

Whatever next!

You'll be telling us that if we stick round band aids, with glucose in one and glycerin in the other, on our body, we'll get an immediate increase in energy production!

Enjoy.

EDH UK
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Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 02:12 PM
I assume that almost all of the defenders of Lifewave on this forum are distributors trying to do this as either a part-time or full time business. Because if you were just a retail user of the patches, and it worked for you, what would you care what other people think or say about the patches?

I personally felt results or else I would not have be able to with good conscious be able to approach my friends and contacts about the patches. I will say that I don
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 02:28 PM
Denver LifeWaver

The general "style" of LifeWave LLC has been to use the word association trick and hope people remember the linked topics but not actually delve into the subject matter at all.

So, a man who happened to be a distributor and worked in a sports dept. claimed to have conducted "studies" proving efficacy.

Next thing you know it's on the LifeWave website as "University double-blind studies prove efficacy".

Someone convinces an athlete to try the patches (most athletes are on the lookout for that extra edge). Next thing you know, that athlete appears to be endorsing the product as well as confirming its efficacy.

Someone in London at a college (a distributor no doubt) invites Schmidt to come to the cafeteria to hold a meeting. The next thing you know, it's part of the European Tour!

It's all too easy to make words say anything. Watch TV advertising anytime and see how the big boys do it.

I suppose if LifeWave crashes soon, there will be many people who will not be able to conclusively make up their mind. Were the patches for real or not?

Schmidt propbably won't tell you. He's already trying to figure out his comeback.

New name, new "credentials" new product, new scam.

EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 02:32 PM
Open Invitation to LifeWave distributors.

It would be very helpful to get some more input from distributors with less than perfect results. Not the likes of Nanoman, but real people who are beginning to realize that they might have bought into something a little "shady".

Who knows, you might even feel better for doing so.

EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 05:23 PM
Next up!

Denver Regional Conference

April 7-9

This is the BIG OPPORTUNITY distributors have to ask the DIFFICULT questions.

See if you can cut through the BS and get a straight answer to a straight question.

Amaze your friends and be a smash hit at parties! Be the one who finally got Schmidt to admit it's all a scam!

Please!

EDH UK
Denver Lfiewaver
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 05:57 PM
Concerned,Nanoman,Nanoman2, Bill Nott, Sam, and gushing Jim Caldwell, can you tell me what anyone in Lifewave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 06:24 PM
Denver Lfiewaver

Was wondering why it now says "Lfiewaver"

Once chosen, I thought the username was constant?

I do understand you have been happy with the results from the patches.

You also know, if you've thumbed through this forum, that the power of the placebo is very real, with a real scientific study behind new revelations.

It is absolutely possible for someone to put on the patches and feel something, of that I have little doubt.

That the patches are responsible for the effect is where we must part company. You and your customers in your group are totally responsible for the effect. Great isn't it!

Regards,
EDH UK
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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 06:25 PM
I'm not the least bit sorry to read postings that seem to suggest that LifeWave may soon be joining laundry balls on the junk heap of history.

I can, however, see what the excuse will be. When LifeWave hits the fan, so to speak, the faithful will say that the patches DO work, it's just that the management was too overwhelmed to run the company effectively.

In fact, I'll make a prediction. I'm guessing that after LifeWave collapses like the house of cards it is, someone from within the company will come along with a NEW company that makes identical (or virtually identical) patches but which is alleged to have more competant management.
hcmomof4
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 08:45 PM
Not that it really matters, EDHUK, but one's user name is only constant if you're a member. If you aren't, you have to type it in.

(No, I didn't decide to post just to clarify that...)

The sad truth is that it probably can't be proven that the patches don't work, and it's unlikely to be proven that they do work by using nanotechnology. To claim that DS is a scientific genius, or has made a wonderous scientific breakthrough by using the argument, "we know they work, because lots of people think they do" is a little rough for anyone wanting a bit of real proof. Unfortunately for DS, he isn't even a marketing genius, and hasn't made a wonderous scam breakthrough. A new marvelous way to market the patches would have been to advertise that for some reason, when people wear these things they feel like they have more energy/feel better/are stronger/notice more stamina/get picked up in bars more often... Chances are that they would have sold almost as well. But then we'd all have had to find something else to rant about...
Nanoman
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 08:52 PM
EDHUK,

You still seem intent on bashing me and you don't even know me. All I have said all along is that I want to help people and the patches have been doing that. I am not sure why I am not a real person or why I can' share my experiences with you. I have answered your questions ED and you don't seem to like my answers. I believe the patches work and you don't. Can't we disagree? I choose to stay anonymous as you "non-believers" are very good at pulling crap off the internet that is often out of context and personally bashing one's intelligence, credentials, research, profession, etc.

Like Denver lifewaver I have only had 3 people that said the patches did nothing for them. All three of these people only tried 3 patches and who is to say that they used them properly, were hydrated, and actually did something (in the form of exercise) to actually notice the effects. In 2 of the 3 cases I gave them 3 sets to try and the other one I gave them there money back. Everyone else who has tried them have been very impressed with the results. Literally, I have had over 200 people try them and they noticed improvements in workouts, running times, swimming times, pain removal, sleeping, concentration, etc. I have also worked closely with health care professionals and have seen (via ROM, testing equipment, etc) the results first hand, especially with the new Ice Wave patch. I have personally signed up 24 distributors who were/are all happy with the results.

I have had some hit and misses with the rest quiet patches. I do have 2 users who no longer use sleeping pills. I did have a couple of people who tried one sleep patch and said that it did nothing for them.

I too was in Lifewave early and have had some financial success. Nothing to make a living on as a number of people have a tough time justifying the price of the patches each and every month. I personally think they are worth the price but others feel they are priced too high. As I told you before EDHUK, I am all about the product and I don't push it on people.....I let them try it and experience the LW effect for themselves.

Management has never been brought up on the forum until now and I must admit that some of the same things concern me as Denver Lifewaver. I am tired of the promises of the new website being up. It was supposed to happen in December. Patch release dates also keep getting pushed back. I realize with studies that they do take time to appear in journals and I am very confident they will be coming out. I agree that more marketing items need to be made available and the day to day operations at LW are completely chaos. Does any of this mean the patches don't work?? I think not.

Denver Lifewaver your math is correct for cycling and matching bonuses but you didn't take into account that everyone in the upline also gets points from a sale or a signup which eventually helps them cycle and others then receive matching bonuses as well. I personally think the compensation plan is very good and it pays out 60%.(better than almost any other MLM). I really don't mind the fact that our commissions come to a virtual account and we charged a surcharge. This is the reality of the internet world. It saves me from going to the bank all the time.

I also agree that the company did get an upgrade when Mike Collins joined them. He has a some excellent credentials and since he has arrived there has been better marketing tools etc for distributors.

I have no intentions on dropping out of lifewave and I use the patches every other day as they have had a big impact on my life (sleeping, energy, concentration, weight room increases, and especially my knee pain has been gone since I started wearing the patches).

I have always lived by the motto that EDHUK, Bob, and Captain Al love to hear. "Try some for yourself."
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 09:16 PM
EDH UK (Dave) a few things to clear up:

1.I miss spelled Lifewaver on my last post, sorry.
2.We were never in the same company; so to say that
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 09:47 PM
Nanoman,

No disrespect but your math is wrong about the true percentage of compensation. Of the 24 distributors you have signed up, how many of them are making $500.00 a month? I am assuming when you say you have signed up 24 distributors you are talking about gold or silvers.

I am will aware of all the points flowing up, but it doesn
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 10:34 PM
nanoman,

other then the first paragraph (which I'm not even going to comment on) that is the most intelligent post that you have ever written to the this forum. I still disagree with you, but if you start writing more posts like that, which contain actual information and is written in a seemingly more open-minded manner, you are going to be taken much more seriously.

~Cheers
Bill Nott
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 | 11:24 PM
Pappa... im still waiting to send you your samples...... .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 06:44 AM
Nanoman

I obviously owe you an apology.

In reading your posts, so far, I always got the impression that you were "in the loop".

Your posts appeared to give "insider" information.

It is now clear that you are just a distributor, and as such, as vulnerable as everyone else. Any information about studies etc. comes from the LifeWave back office; an office you are beginning to realize is a tad light on real content.

At least you can be happy that you, and Denver LifeWaver, ended up on the plus side.

The end is near.

Dave
EDH UK

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 06:47 AM
Denver LifeWaver

"I have a suggestion for members of the forum, why don
Nanoman
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 07:24 AM
Denver Lifewaver,

My calculations are correct in theory. Of the 24 distributors I have signed up about 20 of the 24 are just personal users and are not interested in signing anyone up, the business, or getting paid. They simply are users of the product as they like what it does for them. MOst of them bought in at the silver/gold level for cheaper product. The 4 people who are trying to make some money at it have had to work hard and earn enough to pay for their product each month. I really don't see any problem with the compensation plan. Yes it does take work and in reality LW is not paying out 60% of all BV but if everyone did stay on autoship and sign up 2 people on each leg this would occur.

As far a the "life" of the company I am also confident that there is enough users to justify keeping the company going. All the people that joined for a quick buck and think they didn't have to work at it to make money will disappear. So I predict the future of LW will depend on the number of personal users who are willing to pay $69.95 per month to feel good.

There are more than 10-15 people making more than $6000 per month. There was a glitch in the backoffice one day and I got to go to the top of the compensation plan. Some are making $20000+ per month (at least this was the case in December).
Nanoman
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 07:31 AM
EDHUK,

I accept your apologies and I am sorry that my posts mislead you. I do spend a lot of time on calls with some of my upline who are Advisory members, etc. so I continuely get updated information about LW.

For example I was on a call last night with Mike Collins and the new website will be launched on Sunday. Twelve clinical studies have been completed and 30+ are still in progress. The completed studies will be available for viewing by distributors in the backoffice.
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 09:40 AM
Nanoman, regarding this statement:

There are more than 10-15 people making more than $6000 per month. There was a glitch in the backoffice one day and I got to go to the top of the compensation plan. Some are making $20000+ per month (at least this was the case in December).

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU. I feel you have no credibility. If there was a glitch in the backoffice as you claim, every distributor in the company would have seen your "claim" and I am sure someone in my downline would have alerted me and everyone else in our group, since we are a close knit group.

You still haven't answered my challenge/question about what Mike Collins has done for the distributors in the 3 1/2 months he has been president. Nor have you commented about an earlier post regarding true independent research, I'm sorry, but research done by people who are also distributors (even if they are healthcare/medical professionals) is not TRUE independent research.
Nanoman
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 10:52 AM
Denver Lifewaver,

I take offense to your comments above. WHat I am telling you is the truth. It happened once time to me and I called my other downline but they could not do the same thing in the backoffice. I actually cut and pasted some of the geneology and have it saved in a Word document. For privacy of LW and other distributors I will not share the info. You can take my word for it or continue to believe that you are all knowing. Maybe you are not credible!!

Mike Collins is getting a new training DVD ready and has been working hard at getting the new website up and running.

When the studies come out we will see if they are independent studies.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 10:53 AM
Denver LifeWaver

1. "I miss spelled Lifewaver on my last post, sorry.
2.We were never in the same company; so to say that
Denver Lifewaver
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 | 11:59 AM
Nanoman,

Since 80% of your distributors are just regular folk using the product, and by your own account Lifewave is not your primary income source (because if it was, you probably would not be able to afford telephone or Internet service, to read and respond to this forum). I am really wondering why you care so much what other people
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