The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 | 11:03 AM
Bill,

I don't know what else to say to you except to appeal to your common sense. Think about it, why would nature have developed a way for the body's cells to be manipulated by "Frequency Modulation" if it didn't need or use it for anything? To the best of my knowledge FM doesn't exist anywhere in nature. Do you think Mother Nature put it there 3,000,000 years ago and just waited for Lifewave to come along?

Why don't you go to the biology or medical department of your local university and ask them what they think of this whole Lifewave thing? Have you written to "Rajesh Babu Sekar and Ammasi Periasamy" to see what they have to say? Perhaps you have taken their work out of context because I see nothing there that supports your views. If the academics don't agree with you, you can set them straight.

". but when confronted with something new , true and powerful.. hes way out of his league...."

The facts is, Randi is not confronting anything new here. This sort of nonsense and the people who promote have been around a long time. I doubt we have much chance of convincing you though since you have also fallen for that magnetic field therapy crap. Yes it's well documented alright. Well documented BS. Don't forget to ask the unversity professors about that too.
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 | 11:18 AM
Thank you for your words of understanding Dave , and yes...... i will step up and admit i was duped if it ever came to that... You know how deeply this has effected my personal life and the lives of my family .... I just cant go against what i have felt personally , and what Ive seen with my own eyes.....

The bottom line here is that we can all talk and argue and make silly posts ( yes ,, i admit a point or two that Ive tried to make may have been a little off the mark ... lol ) until were blue in the face..... Its painfully obvious that no one is going to back down from their stance on this matter.... so patients is going to be required until time pans all of this out.... and the cold hard indisputable facts are made known to all.........
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 | 02:43 PM
Bill,

You seem like a sincere person, and I'll take you at your word that you believe the patches have helped you and your family. Thank you for continuing to participate in this forum, despite the skewering that goes on here sometimes. It is forums like this, in which zealots on both sides and everyone in between the extremes, can add their own experiences, specialized knowledge, perspectives, investigations, and arguments to the discussion, that provides the information so that people can perform effective due diligence before investing their own time and money (and maybe a lot of both) in this product. So maybe none of us will convince the others. But I'm sure that people are reaching their own conclusions everyday after reading the things we've all contributed here. That's my reason for participating, anyway.

I doubt that anything would ever convince you that you've been duped. Even if Dave Schmidt were to send an email saying, "My scheme was collapsing, so I left the country while the getting was good. It was all a hoax. Be smarter next time, people. Hugs and kisses from somewhere in South America, Dave," you'd still know from your own experiences that the patches worked, so I suspect that you would still believe in them.

I
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 | 05:51 PM
Id just like your guy's opinion on this... its new...

http://www.patches101.com/paulnott
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 | 06:06 PM
Bill,

What is it you want our opinion on?

Is paul your brother or dad?

Cheers,
Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 | 06:09 PM
Bill,
By the way, do you know what an FDA Class 1 device is?

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 | 06:46 PM
Bill,
Is this your brother?

Aaron's Flooring Cabinet
400 S Seward Meridian Rd
Wasilla, AK 99654
907-376-3454

Tel number on the web site

?
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 | 07:20 PM
Yea Dave.. Aaron is one of my brothers... and Paul is my father...

I just thought that the new website with the streaming video link was well put together and convincing , but i realize maybe it wasn't such a good idea to post in these fourms. I didn't post it here as a " promotional " type of thing... i know better than That with you hard cases lol 😊~ just more of a .. " look ,, I'm not the only one who believes !! " kinda thing ... but anyways.... no ,, what is a FDA class 1 device dave ?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 | 08:44 PM
Bill,

FDA Class 1 is band aids, splints, that kind of thing. It's a clever way for LifeWave to be able to put it into their info. Most people just assume it means something far more important.

As for the website. Yes it's slick, but the content remains fraudulent. There is not one shred of truth there. It's impressive to a certain personality type, and though it hurts me to say so, you are that type.

Some people are the type to get a kick out of having a photo taken shaking the hand of a celebrity.

Some people see something on the internet or tv or a DVD and believe it at face value.

Did you ever stop to think how Netter makes his money. Where was the small print that said "LifeWave Paid Endorsee"? I may have missed it.

The problem now is that your dad has a website with a telephone # that links to a real place. The FDA, FTC etc. are probably building their files on this scam company. They'll take anything they can get I would guess, as they rightly should.

When LifeWave crashes, there will be people who may decide to visit the shop to get their money back. The real phone # might not have been a good idea in hindsight.

Folks will not be able to get hold of David Schmidt or Michael Collins or any of the others. They will disappear for a suitable length of time.

Sorry Bill, but you did ask.

Dave
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 | 08:51 PM
Its all good my friend.. we are all allowed our " opinions " 😊
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 | 08:54 PM
Bill

Class 1 for low-risk devices

This includes hospital beds, incontinence diapers, ordinary band-aids, external splints, spectacle glasses, examination gloves, reusable surgical tools, non-invasive electrodes etc

http://www.cebec.sgs.com/leaflets/cemeddir.asp

Maybe LifeWave was hoping to latch on to the non-invasive electrodes idea. Tiny bit similar? Pathces that "talk" to the cells. Maybe?

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 12:03 AM
Bill,

Ah, another appearance by the esteemed "Dr. Beverly Rubik, Professor of Biophysics, U.C. Berkeley" on your new video. The web site http://www.uri-geller.com/hazel1.htm quotes Dr. Rubik as saying:

"Our research shows a significant relationship between what we intend in consciousness and what we experience. If our intention is not clear, the results we get will be muddled by deeper, unconscious inclinations that may even work in the opposite direction. But when we do have a clear intention for something to occur and it is not blocked by contrary subconscious thinking, or a feeling that we don't deserve it, our thought does tend to create results we desire. A clear intention will create a reality."

I couldn't agree more: You and the other LifeWave peddlers have created your own reality.

Interestingly, UC Berkeley's website appears to have never heard of Beverly Rubik (per both the "Search the Berkely Web" feature and the "People Finder" feature at http://www.berkeley.edu ). Perhaps demonstrating her point better than anyone else could, Dr. Rubik appears to have created her own reality: She now believes that she is a professor there.

Why is it that whenever I perform simple web searches for LifeWave's supposed doctors and academics who speak on LifeWave's behalf, I find self-medicating psychiatrists, professors who aren't really professors, chronically underemployed hamster acupuncturists (or whatever), and the like?
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 12:53 AM
DR. FRANK SHALLENBERGER
(CALIFORNIA LICENSE SURRENDERED; REPRIMANDED IN NEVADA)

It looks like another one of the credentialed spokespersons on LifeWave's new promotional video, Dr. Frank Shallenbeger, has had some difficulties of his own. According to http://medboard.nv.gov/, Dr. Shallenberger surrendered his California medical license, and the Nevada medical board publicly reprimanded him:

Frank Anthony SHALLENBERGER
896 W Nye Ste 103
Carson City NV 89703
Specialty: Internal medicine, homeopathy

JULY 31, 1995
The Investigative Committee of the Nevada State Board of Medical Examiners filed a formal complaint against Dr. Shallenberger due to the surrender of his California medical license.
copies; Complaint 3 pages
***********************************************
NOVEMBER 3, 1995
The Board entered into a Stipulation for Settlement with Dr. Shallenberger and ordered that he receive a public written reprimand and pay the administrative and investigative costs incurred by the board.
copies; Final Order 2 pages
***********************************************
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 12:58 AM
"Our research shows a significant relationship between what we intend in consciousness and what we experience. If our intention is not clear, the results we get will be muddled by deeper, unconscious inclinations that may even work in the opposite direction. But when we do have a clear intention for something to occur and it is not blocked by contrary subconscious thinking, or a feeling that we don't deserve it, our thought does tend to create results we desire. A clear intention will create a reality."

Gee, that sounds a WHOLE lot like a variation on the "my psychic powers don't work if there's a skeptic in the vicinity" gag used for ages by people who claim supernatural abilities.

While it's unquestionably true that humans can sabotage themselves by not believing in their own abilities (been there, done that), there's just NO evidence that believing in something can result in an outcome that defies the known laws of physics.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 05:20 PM
CMG

"...there's just NO evidence that believing in something can result in an outcome that defies the known laws of physics."

On this particular point I'd have to say things have changed. I posted a while back the research done in the USA concerning pain control. I think Bob also put the article from The Economist on his WWSN website.

Subjects in a pain control study actually produced pain killers in their brains when believing they were receiving analegesia via an I/V drip.

The word placebo took on a whole new meaning after this study.

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/lwecono.htm

That's why, in the case of the patches, I think the "believers" get much more out of the placebo glycerin and glucose non-transdermal discs than skeptics who try them.

The patches are still fake, but if you feel an effect, it's extremely difficult to concede to others, or especially yourself, that you've been conned and YOU are responsible for the effect.

Cheers,
Dave
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 05:27 PM
Waver
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 | 01:51 PM
"I got a preview this past weekend of a study done by the lady below on LifeWave patches. Maybe her credentials will meet you approval.

Beverly Rubik, PhD.

An early look at a new study to be presented exclusively at the National Convention

Dr. Beverly Rubik is currently doing a study on how LifeWave Energy Enhancer
Concerned Citizen for Truth
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 06:19 PM
David Schmidt and Lifewave should try and grab the prize

The people behind the X Prize that kick-started personal space travel are planning prizes in a variety of non-space fields, from automobile technology and genome research to nanotechnology and education.

The goal is to cut through red tape, jumpstart progress and allow genius to shine.

In 2004, a $10 million X Prize purse was won by back-to-back flights of a piloted SpaceShipOne rocket plane from Mojave, California to the edge of space.

Now the X Prize Foundation, a nonprofit-education organization based in Santa Monica, California is setting it sights on other frontiers, chief executive and X Prize Foundation founder, Peter Diamandis told LiveScience.com.

The new challenges are being shaped with the help of high-profile additions to the X Prize Board of Trustees: Larry Page, Google co-founder and chief executive officer; and genomic research pioneer Craig Venter, former president of Celera Genomics Group, which competed with the federal government to decode the human genome.

"In the genomics world, we are supporting Craig Venter's original vision of getting an ability to have gene sequencing occur for the masses," Diamandis explained. "While we have a single genome sequenced, the real benefits for humanity come when there are tens of thousands of genomes sequenced and the computing power available today can correlate certain sequences with certain diseases or drug interactions."

According to a Jan. 27 report in the Wall Street Journal, the X Prize Foundation plans to offer a $5 million to $20 million prize to the first team that completely decodes the DNA of 100 or more people in a matter of weeks.

Along with X Prize purses for space and genomics, Diamandis said Friday that the Foundation is working on prizes in the automotive arena, nanotechnology and education.

For the automotive prize, the focus is on breakthroughs in areas like miles per gallon and manufacturing.

"Why do we still drive cars that use an internal combustion engine and only get 30 miles per gallon? I think that we'll see some amazing achievements in this area," Diamandis predicted. Further details on this automotive prize are forthcoming, he added, when the prize is fully formulated.

And what's the logic behind prizes to propel advancement?

"There is a tremendous economy of scale when you can manage multiple prizes though a single organization
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 06:39 PM
Concerned Citizen for Truth
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 05:19 PM
David Schmidt and Lifewave should try and grab the prize

Promise you won't hold your breath!

!
Bill Nott
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 07:00 PM
i thought Ted koppel steped down form night line awhile back... what is this ??? hmmm
Bill Nott
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 07:05 PM
that was fabricated bobby...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 07:54 PM
Bill,

You obviously didn't check out this forum when you were politely asked to.

Bob has made some excellent satirical pieces on the strange world of LifeWave.

You do know what satire is, of course?

Cheers Bill.

ps Check out some more of Bob's funny satire on his website. Great stuff, even if it is knocking the man you believe in.

Dave

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Bill Nott
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 | 08:25 PM
ahh.. i see..

my bad........
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 03:10 AM
In response to the whole "the patches work better for believers than they do for skeptics" thing, well, we know about the placebo effect but I don't think that it violates any laws of physics.

The claims for the patches are that they use "technology" which, so far as any REAL scientists know, simply doesn't exist. LifeWave doesn't come out and say "These things 'work' because of the placebo effect" (and it's understandable that they wouldn't do that). Therein lies the problem.
Nanoman
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 07:40 AM
Beverly Rubik, Ph.D., (biophysics, UC Berkeley) is a leading scientist internationally known for her exploratory research on frontier areas of science and medicine. Her main work is on the subtle energetics of living systems. She has published over 60 papers and 2 books. Dr. Rubik serves on the editorial boards of Journal of Alternative & Complementary Medicine, and Evidence-Based Integrative Medicine. Dr. Rubik was one of 18 advisors to the former Office of Alternative Medicine at NIH from 1992-7, and was chair of the NIH panels on electromagnetic medicine and manual healing. Dr. Rubik is presently conducting research on Reiki and qigong at the Institute for Frontier Science, a nonprofit research institution that she founded, under NIH funding. Dr. Rubik is also a core professor in the Graduate College of Union Institute and University, Cincinnati, Ohio, and mentors doctoral students throughout the US. She consults to the corporate world and also maintains a small holistic practice advising clients on nutrition and other lifestyle issues in relation to health and healing. Contact information: Beverly Rubik, Ph.D., President, Inst. for Frontier Science, 6114 LaSalle Avenue, PMB 605, Oakland, CA 94611; 510-428-4084; .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address); http://www.ifs.cnc.net
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 08:35 AM
So I guess that confirms it. Dr Beverly Rubik is NOT a professor at Berkeley. However we learn she is involved with some amazing things in the area of "frontier science". That's odd, I thought all scientific research was frontier. This must be something different.

"Alternative & Complementary Medicine", holistic practice, electromagnetic medicine, research on Reiki and qigong. Woooooow! that sounds real impressive. I must have missed the PBS special about her work.

Translation: She couldn't make it in the real world so she invented a new one for herself. It's easier that way.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 10:28 AM
Captain Al,

What a very public pay for Dr Rubik to demonstrate she has either 1: been totally bamboozled by this fake technology or 2: has zero ethics/morals, just like nanoboy!

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Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 11:07 AM
HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS (Part I)

So Dr. Betty Rubik, not a professor of physiology at U.C. Berkeley as LifeWave
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 11:07 AM
HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS (Part II)

I told him that I did not believe him. I told him I would pay him half of what he wanted to charge me, because maybe I was partly to blame for ending up in his office without having done my due diligence, and because I thought the stories that I would be able to tell were worth the price of admission. I assured him that his name, Dr. Roger Valentine, D.V.M. in Santa Monica, California, would be used in those stories.

Of course, Fluffy didn
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 11:14 AM
Correction to the above: LifeWave's video presents Dr. Betty Rubik as a profession of biophysics (not physiology) at U.C. Berkely.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 11:22 AM
Correction to the correction (how embarassing): PROFESSOR of biophysics
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 11:39 AM
Hey guys, just letting you know I'm still around and have been following the forum. I've even been drafting responses, however my computer hates MoH as of late and won't let me post in either the old or new forums or comment on Alex's work. I can respond right now only because I'm visiting my family this week and therefore using a different computer. Just want to make sure you all know I haven't given up on this.

Of course, I'm still probably not going to respond due to the fact that I tore the ligament in my right hand and the only way to type is to take the splint off and ignore the pain. Maybe there's a lifewave patch for fixing torn ligaments. Hey, I bet some lifewave patches on my computer may fix that problem too. Either that or just look really funny.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 11:58 AM
$One Million Still Up For Grabbs.

As the days become weeks, the weeks months, and the months now take us well into the second year, nobody seems to want the money.

Why do LifeWavers, from the head of the show up to the distributors, not want this money?

Not one soul is willing to apply for the James Randi Million bucks.

Plenty of cookie cutter excuses, but not one solitary soul seems able to put their "faith" to the ultimate test.

No surprise there, right!

Mr. Randi WILL accept the challenge. You all believe the patches work so GO GET THE MONEY!

What part don't you understand?

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 12:49 PM
Razela,

Good to see you back.

Obviously your resonant frequencies have become imbalanced with the resonant frequencies of several substances in your environment. Run, don't walk, to the nearest holistic clinic so they can stimulate your nervous system and readjust your resonant frequencies to place them back into harmony.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 02:11 PM
LIFEWAVE
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 03:22 PM
Thanks to Nanoman for supplying the link to Dr. Berverly Rudik's Institute of Frontier Science. That site is loaded with information on scads of new "scientific discoveries", you know, the ones all the thousands of regular scientists are too dumb to see. It takes a real courage to go against everything learned so far and prove to the world your IQ is the same as your shoe size.

For instance, her presentation of a speaker who talks about <a href="http://www.ifs.cnc.net/events.htm">human auras</a> shows how studying Kirlian photographs can help blind children see as well as improve the performance of healers, psychics, and athletes (that's good because the healers and psychics really need it). The seminar also gives you practical exercises to improve your energy field.

It would appear though not all of mainstream science thinks <a href="http://www.skepdic.com/kirlian.html">Kirlian photography</a> is anything but drivel.

Dr Rubik's site also mentions many other areas of BS that keeps her operating on the trailing edge of knowledge. You know, the stuff modern science long ago discounted. She's a perfect role model for Lifewave.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 05:23 PM
Nanoman, we can't thank you enough for that link.

It looks like Dr. Rubik's Institute for Frontier Science consists of a P.O. Box in Oakland and a really cheap website whose purpose is almost exclusively to sell her book. The "News" page contains a single item from 5+ years ago, and the "Events" page lists a single event that happened almost 4 years ago (without actually saying that the event took place in 2002). The "Info and Links" page doesn't work.

The "Publications" page, does, however, feature a single publication, Dr. Rubik's book, with the following endorsement: "Both Star Trek and this book offer us informed view [sic?] of future science, but Beverly Rubik's picture is more feminine and realistic." Wow! To have your scientific writing compared to Star Trek scripts as to how informed they are about science, that's high praise. More dilithium crystals, and beam me up, Scotty!

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Nanoman.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 05:55 PM
Courtesy of Physicist Milton Rothman:

"When Kirlian photography was first announced, I was working in plasma physics, and immediately recognized that the photographs were nothing more than electrical discharges surrounding the object being photographed.

Many accounts of Kirlian photography did not even mention that the source of the discharge was a high voltage power supply connected to the
object. It was truly a fake."

But, of course, I expect he's wrong, eh LifeWavers?

?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 06:36 PM
EDHUK,

We should also mention Dr. Rubik founded the Institute of Frontier Science that she is president of. Although the website doesn't say how many members or staff it has, we do know for sure it has at least one. It would appear then she is president of her own fan club.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 07:06 PM
With Non-Professor Rubik having credentials and endorsements like that, who could possibly doubt the LifeWave patches now? Pass the Kool-Aid, Nanoman. I'm in.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 07:19 PM
Much like an onion, the layers of LifeWave lies are peeled back.

It certainly makes one want to cry!

!
Nanoman
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 11:11 PM
You guys are really pathetic. You want people with credibility and then you go about bashing someone for the work and education they have received.

And you wonder why I choose to stay anonymous.

Lifewave is here to stay so you might as well accept it.
hcmomof4
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 | 11:33 PM
Razela, perhaps you should go to Joel's holistic veterinarian and see if you can get yourself a prescription for vodka...
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 01:58 AM
"Lifewave is here to stay . . ."

So is the Nigerian e-mail scam. Just ask Dr. Louis A. Gottschalk at UC Irvine.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 06:56 AM
Ah the insightful wisdom of bananoboy.

"You guys are really pathetic."

You might be right, you might be wrong.

What does your point have to do with the subject of THIS forum?

David Schmidt of LifeWave LLC (businessman and self proclaimed "inventor") has examined the current laws of science and found them lacking.

So, he has "invented":

1. A two patch energy system that "talks" to your body, but only manages to be "understood" by a few people.

2. A sleep patch system that has most people awake at night wondering why they wasted their money.

3. A hot/cold patch system that conveniently solved an FDA problem.

4. A muscle mass building patch that MUST be worn as part of a WEIGHT LIFTING regimen.

5. A non-surgical face lift patch that MUST be used at the SAME time you wear the additional "special" FACE CREAM.

Schmidt has a bagful of new patches to come. Maybe his new "upmarket" office accomodations are giving him fresh inspiration?

Bananoboy has the world patent on pathetic and is intent on using it often.

While true LifeWave "believers" gladly publish contact information, website etc. bananoboy keeps those details "private".

"And you wonder why I choose to stay anonymous"

Bananoboy, you remain annonymous because you are one of many who KNOW LIFEWAVE is a bagful of deceit and deception.

You sensibly remain annonymous because you have seen what happens to those who are part of the deception when the authorities slowly, ever so slowly, walk over to the company and tap them on the shoulder.

So, bananoboy, keep making your money, safe in the knowledge that you are learning a lot that will help you in your next "get rich quick business venture."

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 09:12 AM
Nanoman,

Please explain how Dr Rubik deserves even one iota of respect from us. She chooses to get invovled with every wacko New Age mystical pseudo-science there is (including Lifewave) and expects us to buy it just because she has letters behind her name. Maybe we should check into that PhD to see if it really is legitimate.

If the good doctor really does know her stuff perhaps she can explain a few things. For instance, look at these statements taken off Lifewave's website:

"LifeWave Products, LLC was founded in July, 2002 after 3 years of intensive research into the LifeWave phenomena by research scientist and inventor David Schmidt."

How is it she had to get an advanced degree to understand this stuff and David Schmidt, the nanotechnology guru, only went to business school? That must make her feel extremely small.

"David spends his time during the week making sure that the executive staff at LifeWave is meeting the needs of the distributors and his weekends out on the road conducting opportunity seminars on the LifeWave technology."

If Dr. Rubik is so smart, can't she see if David Schmidt's weedays and weekends are full, he must not have had any time to develop the new muscle building patch and the new sleep patch and the new face lift patch. Who is doing all this new stuff? Elves?

And if she actually is a biophysicist she must have begged David Schmidt to see his research lab. So where is it and who's working in it? It can't be David Schmidt. She and every other alleged scientist on the Lifewave payroll never mention anything about it. And wouldn't David Schmidt be dying to show off his facilities to a "fellow scientist"? I worked in research and development for many years and we had a constant parade of prospective customers coming through the lab on tours. That only makes sense. If you are going to invest in something new you at least would like to see how it's done but it seems none of the Lifewave distributors have been smart enough to figure out it must exist and ask about it.

This tells me Dr Rubik is either extremely incompetent or is in on the scam.
Nanoman
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 09:13 AM
EDHUK,

You continue to resort to personal attacks and name calling. How childish!!

Your statements:
1. A two patch energy system that "talks" to your body, but only manages to be "understood" by a few people. - It is understood by thousands of people. It is not understood by people who can't be open to anything other than western medicine.

2. A sleep patch system that has most people awake at night wondering why they wasted their money.Not sure where you got this from. The sleep patch is helping thousands of people get quality sleep and is replacing traditional "western" sleeping pills.

3. A hot/cold patch system that conveniently solved an FDA problem.
I didn't realize there was an FDA problem....I'm glad it is solved.

4. A muscle mass building patch that MUST be worn as part of a WEIGHT LIFTING regimen.Of course you have to work out to develop muscle. Last time I checked people who take steroids actually have to go to the gym as well. The muscle patch stimulates more muscle development by reducing the amount of myostatin that your body normally releases. Just like the energy patches - you won't notice them when youe sitting on your couch or in front of your computer. You actually need to do something active.
5. A non-surgical face lift patch that MUST be used at the SAME time you wear the additional "special" FACE CREAM. You don't have to use the cream at the same time and you still will see results.
Nanoman
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 09:18 AM
Captain Al,

If you are so concerned with her lack of credibility and have all of these questions for her then please contact her. Her contact info is available. I'm sure she would be very happy to answer your questions.

The muscle and face lift patch have already been developed and are being clinically tested prior to their release.
Nanoman2
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 10:08 AM
December 2005, Fenestra Research "LifeWave Energy Patches 60-Subject Test: Final Report" Fenestra Research has completed a human Clinical Trial using LifeWave Energy Enhancer patches. This study is being prepared for publication. This 30 day study involved 60-subjects of various, age, exercise levels, race, sex, and health levels. The was done without providing any kind of information to the subjects about the intended outcome or scope of this study. No educational material or advertisements were provided to the 60-subjects for the length of this study. Upon completion of 30-day testing these significant measurements were found:

1. An increase of 22.3% was measured in the lipid side of the ATP cycle of energy production. As part of the Study for LifeWave Energy Patches we found an average of 22.3% increase in the subject's ability to convert lipids into energy when the energy patches were applies to the subjects.

What does all of this really mean? Increasing the lipid side of energy production may provide the Energy Patch Wearing person to have more energy, feel a better since of wellbeing, exercise longer, relax better during exercise, and burn more fat during exercise.

1. 30% of subjects reported an increased since of well-being while wearing the patches.
2. Daily wear of the patches did not have any reported negative side effects or interactions for the length of this study.
3. At this time there are no significant changes to any of the other Wellness measurements being tested.
4. Patches stayed in place all day for each of the participants with the exception of use in ocean water. Patches stayed on all day through showers, sweating and daily activities.
5. No allergic reaction on or around the area of placements were seen or reported during this study.
6. Five subjects reported a weight loss of at least 6 pounds during this study.
7. 100% of these subjects tolerated the patch test well.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 10:47 AM
Nanoman

The single most childish thing I have observed so far is you treating the general public like children.

You expect people to believe the LifeWave scam yet have zero credible evidence to back it up.

Now bananoboy, that's what I call childish!

!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 10:59 AM
Nanoman2
or bananoboy2

Another 'Study" and most welcome. Great to see some actual studies being talked about at long last.

Let us not forget in the excitement of the moment. A study is published in a scientific journal. The next stage is probably the most critical in reasearch.

Fellow researchers around the world look at the study and attempt to duplicate the results. This is where many a miracle has collapsed under closer scrutiny.

Of course, one wonders where in the world ANYBODY will be interested in replicating the results in something that doesn't pass even the most cursory scientific muster.

Surely this is another excellent example of how Schmidt can drag this scam out even longer.

LifeWave and LifeWavers continue to imply that published studies mean that the product works.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE.

But the implication is now indelibly inserted into the minds of those who want to believe.

Very clever stuff; bent as a ten bob note but who cares, right?
Sam
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 11:16 AM
You people who have nothing better to do with your time than to point fingers ought to do something healthy. Why not try the patches and see for yourself?

I fairly new into Lifewave and my husband was the skeptic. I do a therapy called Electro-Acuscope on horses. It deals with replacing electricity in the cells of the body, making them healthy and removing the resistance so the body can heal itself naturally. So I work with energy on a daily basis. My form of therapy has the potential to increase healing anywhere from 50 -300% faster depending on the nature of the injury, age of the horse etc. See more at http://www.equinewellness.com . Be sure to click on the testimonials. I work through referrals from veterinarians.

Most alternative healing colleges are not accedited as modern medicine does not recognize them. Just in the animal industry it has been the last 3 years that several veterinarians left practices to train in chiropractics, for instance. They still require you to have the same amount of units to reach doctorate or a bachelors, but our present USA, society is drug happy and supported by the drug companies.

My experience with these patches has been good. My Acuscope has biofeedback and everytime my husband picks up the patches his energy level rises. So how do you explain that one?

It's natural to not believe at first as energy can be scary to some if you don't understand it. You might be wsurprised to see some of the basketball teams and hockey players wearing them now. Do you think a guy with a hairy chest is gonna want to wear an adhesive patch if it didn't work? Can you imagine how it pulls on the hair when you pull it off? My husband says it is worth it! He is 58 yr old and gets more done without tiring during the day.

So instead of bashing why not try it and see for yourself? Do something productive and with some positive energy?

Sam
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 11:54 AM
Sam,

"Why not try the patches and see for yourself?"

You obviously have not read this forum.

Cheers.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 12:05 PM
Sam,
Ah, the good old biofeedback machine.

"My experience with these patches has been good. My Acuscope has biofeedback and everytime my husband picks up the patches his energy level rises. So how do you explain that one?"

You have, of course, carried out a double blind study in which neither you or your husband knew the identity of the particular patches he was holding when you checked with the biofeedback machine?

What you have told us is that your husband picked up a patch and the machine detected a change.

As you know, people can use biofeedback to lower anxiety levels. In that example they are not holding anything but are able to change the sound of the biofeedback machine purely through thinking.ie Bio-feedback.

So, are you basically saying that as a user/distributor we should use the patches because you say they work and your husband changed the tone on the biofeedback machine?

Well, I'm convinced! Can I buy them through you?

Duh!

*
hcmomof4
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 12:19 PM
I really don't want to bash the largest clinical trial to have been reported so far, but when the organization that conducted the tests has as the first thing on its web site this paragraph:

Take your nutritional product sales

to new heights by partnering with

Fenestra Research. Make us your ally.



Before Your Competition Does.......

it sorta makes their non-objectivity suspect...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 12:25 PM
"Notice: Fenestra Research Labs have recently been made aware that some of our published studies have been modified or falsified. If you are working with an organization that claims to have been tested by Fenestra Research Labs, please contact us to verify the authenticity of the research. Thank you."

What, no email?
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Lifewave Lab Scientist
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 12:26 PM
n December 2005, Dr. Lauren DeRock published a study called "Responsiveness of Horses to Biofrequency Modulation after Acupuncture Palpation" in the Journal of the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association. DeRock JL. "Responsiveness of Horses to Biofrequency Modulation after Acupuncture Palpation". JAHVMA 2005 Oct-Dec;24(3):11-14.

The objective of this study was to explore the use of acupuncture point palpation and application of biofrequency modulation (LifeWave Energy Enhancer patches) to specific points on the skin of horses. The goal was to see if LifeWave Energy Enhancer patches would relax the back and relieve back discomfort in horses.

One hundred forty-two horses were evaluated. Four horses did not demonstrate back pain, and were not evaluated further. One hundred thirty-five of the remaining 138 horses with back pain showed elimination of back pain after patch placement for five minutes. Seven of these 135 horses were given a placebo patch and all showed no response. Two horses who failed to respond initially showed elimination of back pain after reversal of patch position. One horse failed to respond. In conclusion, biofrequency modulation patches (LifeWave Energy Enhancer patches), when placed according to the technique outlined in this paper, consistently alleviated back pain in horses, as assessed by acupuncture palpation.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 12:27 PM
"An increase of 22.3% was measured in the lipid side of the ATP cycle of energy production."

How is this done?
Anybody?
Lifewave Senior Scientist
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 12:29 PM
February 2006, Dr. Frank Shallenberger has completed a second LifeWave patch study with LifeWave Energy Enhancer patches that was a placebo controlled blinded study of 30 healthy patients of various ages. At this time the results are being written up for publication. So far he has reported that LifeWave Energy Enhancer patches improved total aerobic ATP production)

19 subjects (63%) showed statistically significant improvement from placebo. The average level of improved mitochondrial output in these responders was 25.5%. The range of improvement was from 15% to 38%.

8 subjects (26%) showed no statistically significant change from placebo.

3 subjects (10%) showed a statistically significant decrease from placebo. The average level of decreased mitochondrial output in these subjects was 20%. The range of decrease was from 11% to 32%.

Discussion: Why did some subjects show a decrease in mitochondrial output from the patches? The answer might be that the points of patch application might have different effects in different subjects. Also, there are potentially confounding factors which affect mitochondrial function on a daily basis which could not be controlled for including sleep loss, stress, carbohydrate intake, and bio-rhythm variation.
hcmomof4
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 12:35 PM
They've tested more horses than humans...
Jim Caldwell
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 | 12:35 PM
What do you think about this UK Duh?

On December 13, 2005, Dr. Dean Clark reported his conclusions of Infrared Imaging of the Rest Quiet patch. This study is currently being written up for publication. Initial studies of the Rest Quiet Patch confirm the findings observed with the energy patches resulting in the nervous system response by localized cooling of a hyperthermic region. An initial Infrared Imaging scan was done prior to placement of a Rest Quiet patch. The Rest Quiet patch was then applied to the temple region. Another Infrared Imaging scan was repeated in 5 minutes the results showed significant thermal changes to the localized region and systemic changes in temperature were also apparent.

In studies conducted on approximately 150 people, LifeWave patches of all varieties (LifeWave: Energy Enhancer patches, Rest Quiet patches and IceWave patches) create an overall autonomic nervous system response to generally cool a hyperthermic region when measured with sophisticated infrared technology. Conversely, when a region is hypothermic "cold" the patches will have the opposite effect on the area in warming the localized region.

The patches provide a thermoregulating effect to the body causing the nervous system to respond in normalizing the anomalous response and changes of the body. The measured changes included such things as pain relief, range of motion changes to stiff joints, bowel function improvement, overall energy improvement, and mental focus to name a few.

It is well known that the energies of the body are influenced by a number of factors some of which can be explained by acupuncture, electromagnetic and bioenergetic sciences. It is clear to me that the patches of all variations offer a measurable physiological response changing and regulating the nervous system.
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