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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Bill Nott
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 11:59 AM
Im not the one looking for the proof that they dont work Dave... i just thought that if I was out claiming that something was a scam , i would want legitimate proof that that what i was calling a scam really WAS proven to not work...
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 12:30 PM
Yeah, Bob, PROVE that LifeWave's sugar patches don't act like tiny little cell phones to balance out the Yin and Yang in the human body, the EXACT SAME WAY that real cell phones do.

Bob, if you get ahold of the legal papers asserted against you by Lifewave, and the court's decision, I might be able to review them and give you some information on how to avoid future problems. If you get them, post an email address by which I can contact you.
Bill Nott
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 12:46 PM
Cranky media guy wrote.....

Bill, where's the scientific proof that pigs can't fly? Remember, if you test all pigs on Earth but miss a single one, you haven't proven beyond all doubt that it's absolutely impossible for a pig to fly. Therefore, in the spirit of LifeWave's incredible claims, I maintain that pigs CAN fly. OK, it's now your job to prove me wrong. Up for it?

Get the picture here? This is why we do not have to prove that LifeWave doesn't work. It's up to LifeWave's supporters to prove that they DO work.
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I tell you what.... if i was truly convinced that pigs couldn't fly... before i went marching around proclaiming to the whole world with complete conviction that i " knew " , beyond a Shadow of a doubt that they couldn't , i believe i WOULD have to go check every pig in the world first.. otherwise , what I'm proclaiming holds no real credibility . now ,, surley that would be a monumental undertaking.... and surley it would be faaar easier for me to take the lazy and easy road of sitting back and smugly saying.. " prove to me they do fly .. prove to me they do fly " ... over and over again like a ignorant child........ go find out for yourself that they don't , it may take you awhile.. but its the ONLY way to really be sure......

The bottom line here is that all of you are screaming wheres the proof !!!,, wheres the proof !!! over and over and over ( even though there is proof , but you wont except it , and that fine ) ...... but at the same time are saying that to prove they DONT work is well... to hard.... to much effort... not our job......

put in the effort it takes to truly prove your case...

SH#$%T or get off the pot... as they say........
Bill Nott
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 12:49 PM
boy ,, i can hear a flurry of madly tapping fingers on keyboards in response to this one... let the fingers fly 😊
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 01:53 PM
Bill, you managed to totally miss the point. It isn't POSSIBLE to prove a negative in most cases. You CAN'T test every pig on Earth which is why a person who asserted that he or she owned a flying pig would be required to produce same.

Sorry, there is NO credible scientific that proves LifeWave works. There were claims that Morehouse College endorsed them, but as I told James Randi, Morehouse disclaimed this and demanded that LifeWave stop making this assertion. Fake endorsements do NOT constitute "proof." LifeWave keeps promising that, any day now, the results of scientifically-conducted testing will be available to the public. Oddly, however, whenever the deadline approaches, the testing evaporates. Seriously, dude, that doesn't give you pause?

If I had a product that was as controversial as LifeWave and I had testing to back up my assertions on behalf of my product, you couldn't STOP me from putting it out where everyone would see it. No, the fact that the promised "evidence" seems to be, shall we say, elusive, doesn't absolutely PROVE that LifeWave is a fraud, but it sure doesn't inspire confidence.

LifeWave is telling us they have a flying pig and refusing to let us see winged pork. WE aren't the ones who need to "put up or shut up" here.
hcmomof4
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 02:03 PM
Bill, you said, "I tell you what.... if i was truly convinced that pigs couldn't fly... before i went marching around proclaiming to the whole world with complete conviction that i " knew " , beyond a Shadow of a doubt that they couldn't , i believe i WOULD have to go check every pig in the world first."

You know, Bill, if you were truly convinced that pigs could fly, why the hell would you even consider proclaiming to the whole world that they couldn't? Wouldn't it make you seem more credible to prove that they did?
hcmomof4
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 02:10 PM
CMG, of course you can test every pig in the world. Theoretically at least. But that wouldn't prove that they couldn't fly, just that they wouldn't fly.

Not while they're being watched. They're shy that way...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 05:24 PM
Open Question

Given that LifeWavers are totally convinced the product works, and given that James Randi has already agreed that the patches qualify for his $1 Million prize, why oh why hasn't anyone stepped up to the plate?

Bill up there in the cold country. Surely you and your family could make very good use of $1 Million?

Why don't you apply? The patches work, right? Therefore it is a 100% foregone conclusion that you WILL be awarded the money.

There is no catch. Show how the patches have helped you and your family and you win the money. Simple.

I for one would be very happy to think you got the money and not David Schmidt. He was too busy to take the challenge, but surely it would be well worth taking a little time off work for a Million bucks?

Let us know when you receive the money Bill.

Cheers, and good luck.
EDH UK
Bill Nott
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 07:05 PM
Ive never heard of James Randi , but ive noticed his name mentioned a few times in these fourms... ill check him out.....
Bill Nott
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 07:14 PM
well.. i just checked out the James Randi 1 million dollar challenge...... and all i can say is WOOOW.... THIS is whats been being mentioned over and over again in these fourms ??? why Lifewave wont step up to THIS challenge ??? I'm completely blown away... at a loss for words... don't know what to say....

Lifewave is based on physical science.... not the paranormal , supernatural , or the occult...

And i thought we were having " Intelligent " conversations here..... wow........
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 08:38 PM
Bill Nott,

Sorry Bill, you can't wriggle out that easy.

You argument has been used before and was redundant even then.

James Randi has stated that the LifeWave patch system DOES meet the eligibility requirements for the challenge.

Therefore, you just have to apply and WIN THE MONEY, because you know that the patches are REAL, have REAL EFFECTS, and anyone will be able to see and establish under normal test conditions that the effects you experience are REAL.

This is a no brainer Bill. The money is as good as in your bank account.

Why would you NOT apply?

James Randi WILL accept your application guaranteed. You know, like the money back guarantee with the patches. A dead cert, nothing can go wrong, 100% your money, plenty to share with your friends and family, you'll be the toast of the town kind of guarantee.

If you do not apply, it can be for only one reason; You know in your heart that LifeWave LLC is selling a worthless product.

So, given everything you have told us publicly, and everything you have explained to me privately by email, I know you will apply because you really KNOW the patches, and absolutely nothing else, could be responsible for the effects you and your family have experienced.

Not one single , tiniest sliver of a chance that something other than the patches could possibly be responsible.

That degree of certainty and belief deserves to be rewarded to the tune of $1 Million Dollars.

Apply this evening to get the ball rolling and we'll keep up with your application's progress on the James Randi website.

As before Bill, I genuinely wish you all the best.

EDH UK

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Joe
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 08:47 PM
I was thinking about all the money these distributors are making and was wondering how this is reported to the IRS. I, being a CPA, seem to easily look at the financial portion of this "adventure." If it is a MLM and these people are distributors, would they receive a W-2? Would these top executives skip on claiming this "other income." If you can "tattle" on your neighbor for tax evasion, can we "tattle" or make accusations that lifewavers are skipping out. Just a thought to ruffle some feathers.

Sorry, there has been nothing new to discuss because of Lifewave's stall tactics, so my mind has been wondering.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 09:17 PM
Maybe David Schmidt would be willing to offer $1,000,000 to anybody who can prove that the patches DON'T work as advertised. I would step up to the plate for that one IF I thought there was a reasonable chance that he'd actually pay up.
Bill Nott
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 09:43 PM
Joe.. that question can be asked of any mlm company... and there are hundreds and hundreds of them....

Dave.. im going to look into this James Randi thing more closley... from what i gatherd from his site.. the reward was only in proving the exsistance of the paranormal... can you provide me with a link to where he states that Lifewave would be eligble and why ?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 | 08:26 AM
Bill,

Lifewave is considered elligible because their claims are junk science.

<a href="http://www.randi.org/jr/050605free.html#3">An exciting new applicant</a>

Even if you don't agree, why not take the money from them? Don't worry about the JREF trying to weasel out of paying. This prize is internationally known and all applications are publicized. If you prove Lifewave patches work and they didn't pay, you would have grounds for a law suit. Any lawyer would be happy to represent you in what would be an open and shut case.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 | 08:54 AM
Bill,

A few more points: Please read the <a href="http://www.randi.org/research/index.html">challenge guidelines</a> carefully. If you don't the process will only be delayed until you do.

You will have to state what your claim is and how you intend to prove it. Then both parties will agree on what will constitute proof of your claim. Also note that you will have to pass a preliminary test first before going on to the "official" test. This is to weed out some of the crackpots and delusionals so as to not waste time and resources (on both sides) if they have no hope of passing. Of course you will not be one of these.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 | 09:52 AM
Muscle building patches. Memory patches. Wow this is great news for mankind. Once somebody uses one of these patches to win the JREF $1,000,000 Challenge, the whole world will know about these amazing products and swamp David Schmidt's inbox with millions of orders. Then Lifewave won't need thousands of distributors selling them door-to-door or gym-to-gym via MLM. They can do all the selling from their own website and keep all the profits for themselves. Eliminate the middleman. Bill Nott, do you have another trade?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 | 11:19 AM
Bill Nott,

Bill I've only just read your last post and obviously the answer to your question has been perfectly given by Bob at WWSN.

I was fascinated to read that LifeWave has got a muscle mass builder that was used at the SAME time that the subjects did weightlifting:

"There was a study done on a dozen people with the muscle mass builder; I think it was 3 weeks long. They wore the patches every day and also embarked upon a serious weight lifiting regimen."

So how did they show that the weightlifting wasn't responsible alone?

It's a bit like watching these endless pills and potions and diets to help you loose weight. It always says in the fine print that it must be used as PART of a exercise, healthy diet regimen!

I certainly get my smile for the day reading this forum!

EDH UK

!
Bill Nott
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 07:55 AM
Im sorry ,, but this entire James randi ordeal is completley and utterly bunk and meaningless .. and is made known so by these simple sentences.....

"Mr. Randi's challenge is for paranormal activity. LifeWave is not making any paranormal claims." - Dr. Haltiwanger

If this thing works as claimed, it is paranormal. There is no scientific principle by which it can work, so it is - by definition - paranormal. In any case, we agree to accept it as paranormal for purposes of the challenge, without reservation. --james Randi--

Lifewave is not paranormal... and only a complete idiot who has not done enough reading on this entire matter would call it that... It would be like a Docter from 100 years ago calling a docter from our current time a witch or warlock because he couldn't grasp current medical techniques...

You all talk and type until your blue in the face.... but putting something into a category in which it is not, completely renders any further tests or challenges useless and ridiculous....

Once Lifewave saw what it was getting into .. ( being called a witch or warlock by those to ignorant to grasp what they were dealing with ) .... its very wisely backed out... as anyone with half a brain would...
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 08:33 AM
Bill,

Anyone with half a brain would have taken the million bucks off their hands while laughing all the way to the bank and silencing all the critics.

IT IS PARANORMAL BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST ALL KNOWN SCIENCE.

You seem to be saying David Schmidt, who has NO scientific training whatsoever, is making advances far beyond what the tens of thousands of medical researchers have been able to do in the last century. Don't you think that's a little far-fetched? Will you stop going to your family doctor now that you know all his training is worthless?

Lifewave backed out because they know they cannot prove what they claim. If you feel you can, go ahead and do it.
Bill Nott
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 12:02 PM
Stories are often told to make a point, or make a message clear to the reader..... here's a story that's very relevant to this situation....

Once upon a time , there was a self proclaimed " wise man " of a little known African tribe.... Now this " wise man " decided to hold a contest.... he would offer 5 virgin brides and 10 cows ( a fortune indeed ) to who ever could show him proof of powerful magic..... Now it happened that this " wise man " heard rumors of someone who was seen walking in his jungle carrying a device that could steal your soul , and by doing so , make a image of who ever this strange device was pointed at appear on a flat, thin, square object.... powerful magic indeed !!
Now it turns out that this stranger was in fact the inventor of the first ever camera... and as he was traveling through the jungle testing and refining this new technology he had invented.. he was also trying to show others he met along the way , the miracle of what he had created, and try to explain to them the new science behind it.... but as it turned out , there were many followers of the " wise man " that could not grasp this thing the stranger called " new science " and they condemned him for a fool ,, and they screamed , " Take this before the wise man and collect the reward , for we know that this thing you call " new science " can surly not exist... and therefor,, it must be magic !! "
Now this " wise man " also did not believe in " new science " , how absurd !! and so if this device truly did make an image of others on flat thin objects.. surly it must be powerful magic,, and therefor he would allow it to be included into his contest....
The inverter of the camera... although first intrigued by the offer of this contest as a way to show his new technology to the masses, soon realized that he could not possible enter into this event.... for how does one prove a new breakthrough in physical science to those who will only believe in magic ?

So he quickly left the jungle , while those of the village laughed and pointed calling him a fraud , and through their ignorance and pride in their knowledge of what can and can not be... let slip by a real miracle .....
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 12:59 PM
Bill,

You disappoint me, you really do. I thought you could do better than this. There are more holes in your analogy than Swiss cheese. Talk about grasping at straws.

First of all, the camera was the end result of many years of research and development by many people in the fields of optics, mechanics and chemistry starting with the discovery that silver halide salts are sensitive to light and continuing with the development of how to increase the density and sensitivity of these salts first on glass plates and then plastic film, then the experimenting and developing of chemicals to develop, fix and print the image. It did not appear one day as a Kodak Instamatic. (So where did this camera inventor in your story get his prints developed? At JungleMart?)

Another thing is cameras actually do work and can be proven to work over and over again without mysterious unknown forces and without any interpretation of the end results. Lifewave has yet to do this. When they do you can use them instead of cameras for your example.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 01:25 PM
Actually there is some truth to Bill's story. There really is a "wise man" (James Randi) holding a contest that offers a fortune ($1,000,000) to someone who can show proof of powerful magic (paranormal phenomena).

And there are rumours of a stranger walking through the jungle who has a magic device that can steal, not your soul, but your wallet. He is also trying to show everyone he meets the miracle of what he has invented but unfortunately he cannot prove it and just asks everyone to trust him since he knows more than all the witch doctors in the whole world even though he has never studied witchcraft. In return he will let them sell this device to the other villages via autoship. They will all be rich and won't have to live off bananas and hamburger any more. It's gazelle steaks everyday from now on!

So they all handed over every virgin and cow they had and the man was never seen again.

THE END
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:20 PM
Bill Nott, If there
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:23 PM
DR. STEVEN HALTIWANGER - PART I

I found on the Internet another interesting tidbit about Dr. Haltiwanger and his past. According to his CV posted at http://p2.hostingprod.com/@worldwidescam.com//halti.doc (and I realized that that website is not controlled by Dr. Haltiwanger), one of the good doctor
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:23 PM
DR. STEVEN HALTIWANGER - PART II

According to Mr. Benedict
Jim Caldwell
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:30 PM
? Horse study is done and will be published in about 2 months in leading vet journal. 142 horses. 100% of horses displayed improvement. Apparently results are breathtaking. This is a fascinating reality that Lifewave works on anything
Jim Caldwell
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:34 PM
Thursday, March 2, 2006
Subject: Here's the latest
Time: 10:26:00 PM PST
Author: futthunder Yes, Delete Entry

Hard to believe it's March already. A lot continues to happen. 15 clinicals done. 2 publised. About 20 more coming. The documentation is building nicely. As the studies get published eyes will be opened wider and wider.

Just had a 4-hour dinner with inventor/CEO David Schmidt last night in Santa Monica. My wife, Donna came with me and a good thing ... because a small "skin product" study was just finished (my wife is very knowledgeable about skin care) and he shared this: It will be a single patch, new patch formula, place it "anywhere" on the body. And here's the amazing thing: there will be 2 topical lotions/creams that feature technology and formulations never before seen or used in any skin care product. Ever. New from France. An exclusive license. Results? Instant (within hours)... in 7 days amazing... in 3 weeks... absolutely unbelieveable. The science is deep and significant... don't ask me to describe it. Can't. But women will be flocking to this en masse when they hear about it.

Think about it... software for the human body. The parallels with MicroSoft are apt. 1 brand. Multiple software applications. Lifewave. 1 brand. Multiple software applications. Sleep. Pain. Energy/strength. Skin. And more coming.

The opportunity is compelling. Elite athletes (long list of collegiate, pro and Olympic athletes are using) and weekend warriors are running toward the Energy Enhancer. Every day people of all stripes are discovering the Rest Quiet (sleep) and all new Ice Wave (pain) products. And here comes the skin rejuvenation product! Which may be the most amazing product yet. Each product category is huge.

So what to do? Buy some patches and try 'em. Become a member (like joing Sam's Club) and get wholesale pricing. Considering that the business opportunity marketing model offers anyone with a desire and committment to establish any level of income over time... in a distribution model where getting positioned early has it's benefits... where if you know people or already have customers you are already positioned to explode a business... well you have something serious here to think over.

Just keep reading and stay tuned while you get plugged in.

I just helped Lifewave,LLC adjust their introductory video... went from 7:40 in length to 9:12... adding 9 testimonials tha I shot last fall... and adjusting the sequence, flow, emphasis, music, etc. Working with one of Lifewave's leading distributors, Rob Styler, who had edited the first version, was a very pleasant experience. Good people.

An infomercial is coming. On pain... featuring Ice Wave. Taking a while to foundationally set up the business that will manage it. I will play a role. Stay tuned.

In a short time the video will stream at my site. I'll let you know when it is ready.

Lot's coming. Very exciting... tip of the iceberg is being seen now. The technology is going to be a cover story on Time Magazine. Mark my words.

Take care and keep in touch.

jim
Bill Nott
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:35 PM
Al.. the story was not ment to be based on factual events... just to have a moral... and thats that your dead wrong ,, and you will all know it soon enough....time will tell... but you seem to have the need to pick it apart.. because you need to grasp at any negitive thing you can grab.. relevent or not to this situation ( mostley not ) .. but i do have to give you cudos on how you turned the story around.. that was pretty quick 😊
Bill Nott
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:39 PM
Jim.. FINALLY some sence being spoken here... im with ya all the way ,, and all these guys here are really in for a shocker.. they just dont know it... but ooohhhhh its going to be sweet when enough truth is revealed to where they will have to bow there heads and except that truth...

wooo hoooooooooo
Jim Caldwell
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:41 PM
Studies
In the time I had with David Schmidt and Dr. Haltiwanger it was obvious that there indeed is a large set of studies activity on going as I have previously stated. We didn't discuss all of them because of an over-arching large agendaat our meeting, but here is a partial list. FYI-- once a study is done/finished, it is written up, submitted for publication, accepted (or not) and then published. Lead time on publishing can be 6-8 months after acceptance. That is the frustration as it is better for researcher to NOT discuss until publication... better for marketer to discuss as soon as study is written up. Since this is pioneering research the researcher wants the glory. FTC and FDA do NOT require publication to approve studies.

? A larger HRV (heart rate variability) study has been commissioned as a follow up to 10-person Pilot study already published in Sept 2005, IEEE Engineering and Biology in Medicine Journal by a Dr. Homer Nazeran, PhD, U of Texas (copy available)
? Study on acupuncture meridians and Lifewave's effect is in process. Dr. Reenah McGill, D.O.M., L.Ac. M.AI, research scientist is using the electro-meridian analysis syste (EMAS) to verify the resulting increases in energy (Qi) in the bodies' meridians using the energy patches.
? Sleep Clinicals will be done by Jan 1 (est.). Three anecdotal studies have been done. And are very positive. 100% of participants showed delta wave improvement as measured by EKG. Within 3 days. Some instantly. Two double blind, placebo controlled studies will be finished by Jan 1.
? Three pain clinical studies involving infrared photography are done and over next few months will be written up, submitted, accepted for publication. One is written and is about to be accepted. Total of 130 people participated. These studies led to NCAA approval, even though not published yet.
? Lactic acid clinical in process. One of America's top cyclists is involved as a subject. Will address issue of build up of lactic acid in muscles and subsequent recovery. Lifewave corporate team is quite excited about this study.
? Two work place productivity studies are in process at two large
Jim Caldwell
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:52 PM
New website will be up by Nov 1, worst case. Every Lifewave member gets a replicated website whether as a small business or a major influencer with millions of customers. The website to date has been basic... the one coming will be a Lamborghini. My website is http://www.dolifewave.com which points to http://www.lifewave.com/jimcaldwell.

Symposium. Inventor is open to doing one for a select group of influencers. But wonders if private meetings might not be just as effective since each influencer holds large potential in terms of high velocity notification to their database. Let me know if you would like to meet with the inventor and what your interest would be.

Trial Pack packaging is done and available for energy and sleep. Very professional. For use to be packed inside a fed ex or UPS shipper. Note USPS seems to be an issue since at some regional postal centers the zapping of a Lifewave shipment with powerful anthrax/WMD detectors can affect the organic material within the patches. Can accomodate product, brochures, DVD's/CD's... has a flat profile.

Size of Individual vis a vis efficacy. Does not matter. Efficacy of patches are tied to health of individual, hydration, toxic levels, length of time using, using as directed... those types of things, not size.

Hair. For those of you blessed with a lot of hair at patch placement points... you can reinforce adhesive with medical tape, ace bandage type reinforcement, or by simply attaching to outerwear (t-shirt, pants, socks, etc). Heat signature of body extends out from the body 2-3 inches. Heat activates patches. You can also shave the small area where the patches are placed. Small price to pay for benefits.

Residual effect. Swimmers in Olympics held the patches in hands (white right, tan left) for a half hour or so before their event... and swam at peak levels still. This avoided any controversy with
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 02:59 PM
So how did Jim Caldwell get through the spam filter?

Seems odd that Lifewave says it is conducting studies on all these new products but can't afford to do any for their first one.

"Horses had no agenda, did not resist trying the technology "

Of course the horses had no agenda but the humans judging the results certainly may have.

"15 clinicals done. 2 publised"

So where are the 2 published studies?

"Just had a 4-hour dinner with inventor/CEO David Schmidt last night in Santa Monica."

Mr. Schmidt seems to spend a lot of his time doing these promotional things. Where does he find the time to develop all these new products? When I worked in R&D, it was a painfully slow process, making little steps everyday for months on end. I get the impression David Schmidt just comes up with a new idea for something that sounds good and presto! it's done and on the market. Jim, have you asked DS where his advanced nanotechnology research lab is?

"Elite athletes (long list of collegiate, pro and Olympic athletes are using) and weekend warriors are running toward the Energy Enhancer"

We've already decided how good a judge of scientific reality athletes are. Who will promote the new muscle building patch? Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman? How will he do that? He was winning the Mr. Olympia long before Lifewave was dreamed up.

"But women will be flocking to this en masse when they hear about it."

That's a no-brainer. Women have been flocking to every new product that claims to eliminate wrinkles for a hundred years. What happens when they find out it doesn't work any better than all the rest (i.e. not at all)?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:24 PM
"FINALLY some sence being spoken here... im with ya all the way"

Bill, I can't believe you are siding with this person who can't even form a proper sentence or use a spell checker. What grade did he quit school? Yes I know that's proof of a scam but maybe if he's not capable of learning the language he's not capable of accurately judging this "revolutionary" product. He sounds like he's just a businessman who is salivating over a new source of revenue.

He never mentioned if he even used the product either. Instead all we hear about is that it's a great business opportunity. But just because people buy it doesn't mean it works. Everyone knows the entire cosmetics industry is based on this same principle: Make wild claims and they'll buy.

I eagerly await the "shocker" that's coming.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:25 PM
Bill Nott

The key sentence in your post is:

"In any case, we agree to accept it as paranormal for purposes of the challenge, without reservation. --james Randi--"

James Randi is acknowledging that the patches might actually be some kind of, as yet, unknown science. He is, however, happy to accept the challenge.

How many times do you need to read that to realize JAMES RANDI HAS ACCEPTED LIFEWAVE LLC'S PATCH SYSTEM AS A BONA FIDE CHALLENGER FOR THE ONE MILLION DOLLARS..."WITHOUT RESERVATION"

What part of that concept do you not understand?

If you REALLY mean "Hey guys, I've been thinking about these patches and, you know what, they are smoke and mirrors, and there is absolutley NO WAY that I can prove they work" we would all understand and hold you in the highest regard.

So, what's it to be?

Please make me proud.
EDH UK


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hcmomof4
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:27 PM
I am amazed that anyone can write the stuff with a straight face...
Just a few of the things that jump out at me: (in no particular order)
From Jim
- "better for marketer to discuss as soon as study is written up." Well, duuuhhh...
- "Horse study is done and will be published in about 2 months in leading vet journal. 142 horses. 100% of horses displayed improvement" Two months from when? Promises of published studies about to be released are getting stale. And 100% success rate? This is truly a miracle product. I don't think anything has ever had positive results on 100% of the subjects.
- "Think about it... software for the human body. The parallels with MicroSoft are apt. " There's been a bit of news about implanting a sub-dural identification chip, but that's about as close to Microsoft technology as it gets currently. I don't know of any software programs that will work on my computer by taping them to the outside of my CPU.
- "Generally anecdotal or test studies are done first" "Anecdotal" is not a study type.
From Bill -
- "Once Lifewave saw what it was getting into .... its very wisely backed out" Hey, this is a true statement...
- "and try to explain to them the new science behind it." Saying "I don't know how it works, but it does." is not explaining new science.
- "and so if this device truly did make an image of others on flat thin objects.. surly it must be powerful magic,," There are cave drawings from way before modern man, so maybe it's the flat thin objects that are the magic?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:39 PM
Jim Caldwell,

Enjoying your copious posts.

First question for you.

"Acupuncturist veterinarian Dr. Lauren DeRock, D.V.M. is ecstatic with her results. It's the first study she's ever submitted, and it was accepted."

In making this statement you have made a grave error in your implication.

You are implying that acceptance of the study by a leading vet journal (which one by the way?)means the study is sound and the results are valid. ergo, LifeWave patches work as claimed.

WRONG. It means nothing of the sort. It DOES mean that the vet journal finds the study of interest and is publishing the work so that other people can examine the findings and attempt to replicate the results.

Presumably, you do not read books, journals, watch tv or listen to the radio or speak to other people.

That must be how you missed out on learning about scientific "breakthroughs" in recent years that were published in well respected scientific journals, only to be found FRAUDULENT at a later date when other REAL scientists were unable to replicate results.

DUH

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:48 PM
Jim Caldwell.

"This
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:52 PM
Jim Caldwell

You get funnier the more I read.

"Ethical standards dictate each researcher carries out his/her study(s) to highest standard and practice. This is standard operating procedure."

How have you got the barefaced nerve to use the words ETHICAL in the context of this LifeWave SCAM?

Who the heck are you and which planet have you come from?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 03:55 PM
Jim Caldwell.

Reference to skin product.

"The science is deep and significant... don't ask me to describe it."

Now where have we read those words before?

DUH3

EDH UK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 04:02 PM
Jim Caldwell

"And here comes the skin rejuvenation product! Which may be the most amazing product yet. Each product category is huge."

So you mean that when David Schmidt "inventor" brought out the energy patches which, if real, would be the most amazing invention in years...they WERE NOT!

The skin patch/cream will be MORE famous still!

You're a prankster aren't you?

You're a skeptic who has decided to use sarcasm, irony and downright utter goofiness to make LifeWave LLC look like complete idiots.

You could have saved your effort for more worthwhile endevours.

LifeWave LLC already look like complete idiots!

DUH4

EDH UK
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Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 04:30 PM
It's interesting that Dr. Lauren DeRock whom Jim Caldwell mentioned as having performed the as yet unpublished "study" on 142 horses justs happens to be a LifeWave MLM distributor who is trying, on page 1 of her website, to add people to her downline. See http://www.equineacupuncture.com/.

Jim, can we assume that all "studies" referred to by you and David Schmidt were similarly conducted by LifeWave distributors who have such clear financial interests in the outcomes? Were any studies ever conducted or overseen by anybody other than LifeWave distributors? Well, at least you didn't try to call those supposed studies "scientific," "independent," "unbiased," or even "studies that could, after many Botox injections, pass the straight face test." We can thank you for that small implied admission.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 05:13 PM
Joel

We were introduced to Lauren DeRock DVM last year.

Her website looks about the same as then.

Nice advert for LifeWave where we are linked to the cookie cutter site. Nice DVD with the 'wonderman" Patrick Netter...the "Gear Guru"
Well if Patrick endorses it, it must be good!

Also links to "Transfer Factor" where you can get "437% More Power for your Immune System" and you can also buy into the business through her. MLM anyone?

So, having discussed problems with overactive immune systems, Dr. DeRock would like us to buy a product that increases its power by 437% Sounds reasonable.

The so called horse "studies" might be of interest to the gullible in the population, but, let's face it, the gullible don't actually need any proof. They have been/are buying the product anyway.

DS says it works...end of story!

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Jim Caldwell
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 05:30 PM
Welcome to my Lifewave HSR Update... an ongoing report on the Lifewave Human Software Revolution. I must admit my friend Carl Daikeler's blog (http://carldaikeler.blogspot.com), that provides insight into one of the founders of the hugely successful beachbody.com, has been a motivator for me doing SOMETHING to vent my enthusiasm for Lifewave. TMP's newsletter is also a format that has intrigued me... see what you think of what follows. Comments welcome!

Topics This Issue
I am meeting with Inventor again next week (my 4th meeting)
I am producing a testimonial DVD in my reality-based, on-location style.
New products coming
3 more studies accepted for peer reviewed publication
Inventor is FDA/FTC savvy
New site coming soon
How to buy product
Conference calls

I am hopeful a regular communication from me will help you keep this awesome nanotechnology "top of mind" as developments occur, experiences are had, events are announced, conference calls are scheduled, milestones are achieved. There are changes afoot. Momentum is increasing. And I intend to keep you apprised of the opportunities as they continue to develop, as success stories are written and told. I welcome your feedback of course!!

If you want to be excluded from this update simply email me back to that effect and I'll take you off... no problem.

ITEM
Lifewave Inventor David Schmidt called me yesterday and asked for a meeting next week to further discuss my "major influencers" program and a few other things he and I have been discussing quietly. He will have his CFO, Warren Hanchey and his Director of Health and Science Dr. Steven Haltiwanger with him... so any specific questions you would like answered fire them off to me and I'll ask them to their face next Tues or Wed.

ITEM
Considering my 18 year run in the DR infomercial world and the thousands of reality testimonials I have shot, I have decided to build a database of Lifewave users on camera with 'before' comments and 'after' results. Will document every step of the way. With releases and affidavits. Sleep, energy, pain, diet... even though some claims aren't "legal" yet I will have some to have them in the can for when we can make the claim. The produced not-for-broadcast DVD can be yours FREE... but you must tell me you want it to get it! This work will help anyone who needs to see "if this stuff really works." Should be done by Thanksgiving. I will work hard at having a cross section of people.

ITEM
New products are coming. David Schmidt is being pulled in many directions but continues to finish his Surgery Free Face Lift Mask (!!) ... still on target for launching next year. A targeted "pain" application is just around the corner too. All based on exact same nanotechnology within the patches. And of course Energy, Sleep*, Hot Ice are available now (*Sleep only available to members for purchase or from members as samples... clinicals not quite done yet.)

ITEM
Three more studies have been "accepted for publication" in addition to one already published (the Heart Rate Variability Study... let me know if you would like to review). I will find out which 3 have been accepted. As I have told you dozens more are in process.

ITEM
David Schmidt informs me that the FDA/FTC spade work he has done in preparation for a much higher velocity, much more visible business (TV, radio, PR... etc) is extremely well thought through. He says the level of competency from his team of attorneys is first class and very FDA/FTC savvy. He has initiated the filing of a 510(K) application in anticipation of future needs. Is very confidant that the protocols and results of his clinicals will withstand heavy scrutiny. They already have.... He tells me when he filed for Class 1 medical device classification... he was approved... and then post-approval Lifewave LLC was investigated by the FDA... but came through with flying colors. So he is already FDA battle worn and experienced.
Jim Caldwell
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 05:32 PM
Jim Caldwell
Executive Creative Director
Future Thunder Productions, Inc.
http://www.futurethunder.com
4500 Woodman Ave. Ste D101
Sherman Oaks, Ca 91423
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 05:34 PM
Joel

In Dr. DeRock's fascinating words on the "Transfer Factor" she states:

"Transfer factors, which are active immune agents, make up only a small fraction of bovine colostrums (1% concentration). 4-Life Research secured the exclusive license to extract transfer factors in their pure form, which makes 4-Life Research the sole commercial source of purified transfer factors. Only the purified form of transfer factors can be relied upon to deliver a sufficient dose necessary to elicit an effective immune response."

Dr. DeRock is a Veterinary Doctor, and is familiar with the reality that the antibodies in colostrum, for a foal or a calf say, can ONLY be absorbed in the first few hours of the animals life through larger than normal openings in the wall of the intestines. When these holes close up the antibodies are no longer absorbed because the molecules are larger than the openings.

Hence the reason Dr. DeRock, like other Veterinary Doctors, will be familiar with products sold to raise the animal's IgG levels, when, for instance the mother is not producing milk.

So, what do you think happens to a product you ingest; say some capsules?

Guess.

EDH UK

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 05:43 PM
Joel,
Also nice to know that if Dr. DeRock endorses and sells a product, it must be OK.

Therefore, any study on the LifeWave patches conducted by Dr. DeRock must also be OK, right?

Oh dear:

http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2004/4life.shtml

Life is never simple is it?


EDH UK

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Jim Caldwell
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 06:04 PM
All About Me
I used to get tired during the day because of sleep issues. I relied too much on caffeine to stay alert during the day. And I got exhausted earlier than I wanted to when exercising. When I almost nodded off in the middle of a very important meeting I knew I had hit a wall. Then I discovered Lifewave.
Now I sleep through the night and have plenty of energy for both work and my family late into the evening. And my workouts are really turbocharged... all thanks to Lifewave technology.
Check this blog for a ton of info and insight. You never know...!
jim
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 06:10 PM
Jim Caldwell, LifeWave Distributor

Thanks for the fascinating info.

We now know we can rely on you for totally unbiased, honest information on the LifeWave scam.

Yeh, right.

DUH, again.

EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 06:16 PM
Jim Caldwell
"
ITEM
Lifewave Inventor David Schmidt called me yesterday and asked for a meeting next week to further discuss my "major influencers" program and a few other things he and I have been discussing quietly. He will have his CFO, Warren Hanchey and his Director of Health and Science Dr. Steven Haltiwanger with him... so any specific questions you would like answered fire them off to me and I'll ask them to their face next Tues or Wed."

Ah yes,
The good old Warren Hanchey

http://thesurfboard.net/download/sscomplaint.htm

Courtesy Bob, WWSN

Just the right type of people we all aspire to be.

EDH UK

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 06:52 PM
Jim,

Why are you wasting David Schmidt's valuable time by meeting with him? Leave him alone so he can go back to his top secret laboratory to develop more patches.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 07:41 PM
I've been thinking. David Schmidt is the only person alive with the know-how to make these miraculous patches. What if he were to step out on the street tomorrow and get hit by a bus?

According to Lifewave, all the tens of thousands of doctors, chemists, engineers, biologists, medical researchers and physicists in the world, who dedicate their lives to studying the human body, have advanced degrees and are winning Nobel Prizes, are not smart enough to even understand, let alone duplicate, the revolutionary science developed by this 2-year business diploma holder.

What a loss it would be to mankind if the secret were to die with him. How many decades, hell centuries, will it be before another person of his stature comes along re-discovers his work?

I hope Lifewave has a plan in place in case he were to meet an untimely demise.
Joe
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 07:51 PM
I still can't get over the cream you must use with the patches. I was laughing so hard.


Thank you Lifewave for my daily entertainment.
Joe
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 07:58 PM
What are the names of some of the publications where these would be published?

I'm not being a smart-ass, I really don't know since I have no nano or medical experience.

<smart-ass>
I do have a masters degree, so, if I compare myself to DS, that means I will invent 15 to 18 patches in the next 2 months (based on his current rate of inventing).
</smart-ass>
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 08:13 PM
Joe,

I have pressure sores on my a** waiting for these studies!

Tell us the name of the Veterinary Journal...someone...anyone.

EDH UK

ps Perhaps I could put some of that cream on my a**.

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Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 08:35 PM
If the patches only last for 24 hours, that must mean that they release their entire nanoeffect within that time. What would happen if somebody were to simultaneously get a number of patches near himself, such as by absentmindedly slipping a box of patches into his pocket? He would surely overdose on a superfluctuating thermomagnetic field. If just two patches produce a 40% increase in energy . . . My God, the nanoforces unleashed all at once could overwhelm the human energy vortex fields resulting in an unintended supercharged Chi effect and KILL SOMEBODY! PEOPLE MUST BE WARNED!!

Mark my word - sooner or later, some poor child will get into Mommy's 30-day supply of LifeWave energy patches and stick all 60 patches on his innocent, vulnerable little body all at once, and will instantly varporize himself. How irresponsible of David Schmidt not to put prominent warning labels on the side of every package, and to release the results of his studies showing the maximum safe patch dosages for adults and children.

Oh dear, did Mr. Schmidt even perform ANY studies to determine whether these incredibly powerful patches are safe to use during pregnancy? LifeWavers should demand that he answer that question and release that data immediately.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 08:46 PM
Joel,

The beauty of Schmidt's scam, as I stated previously, is that he KNOWS his patches do NOTHING, therefore he also knows, with 100% confidence, that he will NEVER be found guilty for a side effect from the product!

Mr. Jones takes him to court for $10 Million because his body broke out in green blotches. DS stands up and states "Your honor, it couldn't possibly be the patches, because they are fake!

Case dismissed. Perfect!

EDH UK
!

Perfect!
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 08:54 PM
I dunno, EDHUK. If LifeWave patches act like little cell phones, then using LifeWave face-lift patches might product brain cancer for all the same reasons that real cell phones do.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 08:56 PM
. . .uh, "produce brain cancer," not "product brain cancer." Maybe I need Lifewave anti-typo finger patches.
James Light
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 | 09:32 PM
Japanese language news site shows photo of Kayoko wearing patches in winning race.

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20060205-00000503-yom-spo



Fukushi sets half-marathon national record

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sp20060206a4.html



MARUGAME (Kyodo) Kayoko Fukushi set a national record in winning the women's race at the Marugame half-marathon on Sunday, breaking the mark held by Athens Olympic marathon gold medalist Mizuki Noguchi.

News photo

Kayoko Fukushi crosses the finish line in 1 hour, 7 minutes and 26 seconds, setting a national record in winning the Marugame half-marathon in Kagawa Prefecture.

Fukushi crossed the finish line at Marugame municipal stadium in Kagawa Prefecture in 1 hour, 7 minutes and 26 seconds. Noguchi came second in 1:07.43 in her first competitive race since winning the Berlin Marathon in a national record last September.

Fukushi, who represented Japan in long-distance races at last year's world championships, shaved 57 seconds off the previous record set by Noguchi in October 2001.

The Japan Times: Feb. 6, 2006



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