MOH Forum: LifeWave Energy Patches

LifeWave Energy Patches

Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005

Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!

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EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 12:23 PM ENERGY, or whoever you are. Same question. What is your point? ?
Energy	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 12:34 PM "PS Why were both patches in your clip white?" Just clarifying your point that you only saw white patches. The video clearly shows both the white and tan set of patches.
Announcer	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 02:28 PM Where are the studies? Placebo . . . yada yada yada My point: There seem to be many professional athletes, human and animal, that get results from the patches. We all know that the horse of the caliber that can win the Breeder's Cup is clocked and timed over and over again. Obviously the horse's trainer has seen a positive effect, but of course EDHUK you think the jockey just whispered in the horse's ear. Trained athletes who work out for living, like basketball players, are getting positive results and wear the patches for everyone to see. Studes-they will come, but for now there are way too many positive results to ignore. With this type of press, I am sure the government will be all over Lifewave to shut it down, right EDHUK? In the meantime, Lifewave gets stonger and stronger as a Company, and thousands of people are getting results.
Announcer	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 02:42 PM EDHUK said: "2. Why do you ONLY post here when you think you have something of staggering importance to share?" The forum gets a little boring with you and Bob posting the same old stuff. That is why I post!
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 02:53 PM Announcer, studies were promised in January. January has come and passed, just like when studies were promised in August/Sept. Did you think we would just accept a date a few months in the future and then probably forget all about it when the time came and no new studies were presented? We didn't and we won't. We are still waiting.
Announcer	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 03:21 PM Studies, studies, studies . . . yada yada yada You need to contact Lifewave and see when they will get the time to send them to you. In the meantime, way too many positive results wearing the patches to ignore. Lifewave is in the press, yet no government shut down. Your studies will come, but in the meantime Lifewave moves on.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 03:25 PM Announcer, You are the uncontested KING of the boring. Once in a while you think you are being so so clever with your little bits of news. Nothing of any real substance. You now try to avoid the subject of studies altogether. You post because you sell LifeWave patches and you don't want to see your income stopped in its tracks. You have ZERO credibility. 0
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 03:29 PM Announcer, Why exactly would studies be sent by LifeWave? They promised at the September 2005 Las Vegas CONference that scientific studies were coming and would be PUBLISHED in bona fide scientific Journals. The promises turned to January 2006. There ar NO studies. It's all a crock of lies and you have chosen to lay down with this band of thieves. You have ZERO MORALS. 0
Announcer	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 03:51 PM Now EDHUK You may think I am the KING of boring, but you certainly are the KING of personal attacks. Why is that? I have never questions your morals or ethics or reasons for why you post. Yet you stoop to such tactics. Is it that Lifewave continues to thrive and grow and people are getting positive results and you cannot stand it? I will post what new news I have about Lifewave and let the readers of this forum decide if the material is relevant to them or not. In the meantime, with every personal attack you lose more credibilty.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 05:23 PM Announcer said: "Studies, studies, studies . . . yada yada yada" So, if studies are "yada yada yada," i.e. meaningless, why did LifeWave promise we'd see them? Did they suddenly decide that they were meaningless or--more likely--did the studies never exist? You can't have it both ways.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 05:33 PM Announcer said: "Where are the studies? Placebo . . . yada yada yada" OK, so your point here is "Who needs studies?" "My point: There seem to be many professional athletes, human and animal, that get results from the patches." The key word in that sentence is "seem." "We all know that the horse of the caliber that can win the Breeder's Cup is clocked and timed over and over again. Obviously the horse's trainer has seen a positive effect, but of course EDHUK you think the jockey just whispered in the horse's ear." So, where is the evidence that the horse improved its performance, that the performance is attributable to the patches and ONLY the patches? "Trained athletes who work out for living, like basketball players, are getting positive results and wear the patches for everyone to see." Change the word "horse" in my previous paragraph to "athletes" and you have my answer to this. "Studes-they will come, but for now there are way too many positive results to ignore." Gee, I thought studies were just "yada yada yada." Now you're promising them AGAIN. Why, it's almost as if promising studies, then denigrating them, works as a stalling tactic or something. Nah, that COULDN'T be it. snicker
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 08:13 PM Announcer "I will post what new news I have about Lifewave and let the readers of this forum decide if the material is relevant to them or not. In the meantime, with every personal attack you lose more credibilty." My credibility is not in question. Your credibility and the credibility of a worthless set of placebo patches (glucose...brown, glycerin...white) is. I welcome real news, not more annectdotal info. Please direct us to even one scientific journal where the results of scientifically controlled studies of LifeWave patches has been published in January, as promised. Just one. Can you do that for us? Preety please.
hcmomof4	Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 \| 08:30 PM I wouldn't even consider buying EDHUK, even if he were for sale. And I don't recall him suggesting that I should buy anything either, or telling me that something really works, so his credibility doesn't matter much. WWSN1 may sell something via his site, I'm not sure, but he's never suggested I buy it. And unless he happened to have some reason to have a grudge against D.S. BEFORE the patches, I have no problem with the credibility of his opinions.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 \| 03:33 PM hcmomof4 I sometimes feel like I'm in the outer limits on this site. When was I put up for sale? As you rightly say, skeptics who post here have nothing to sell. LifeWavers sell patches and, worse in my book, some pretend to be altruistic by posting innocent "information" about the patches so that readers can "...decide if the material is relevant to them or not." As with other skeptics here, I will continue to assert that the patches are a total scam offered for sale by scam artists. *
hcmomof4	Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 \| 09:41 PM Edhuk, no, no, no... the point was that you weren't for sale, so your credibility didn't matter. Although, you say "and, worse in my book,". So now you're selling a book? Just kidding!!!... And considering how far out there parts of this discussion are, I sure hope you have a jacket, 'cause it must be damn cold at the outer limits.
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 \| 10:55 PM hcmomo, you are just on a roll today.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 \| 10:42 AM hcmomof4 "And considering how far out there parts of this discussion are, I sure hope you have a jacket, 'cause it must be damn cold at the outer limits." 10-4 This respirator's a little clumsy too! Maybe I should wear some patches? Cheers, EDHUK *
hcmomof4	Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 \| 10:30 PM Heck, EDHUK, if you wore patches, you'd probably be able to struggle your way to the inner limits!! :cheese:
Gary	Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 \| 06:38 AM My 11 year old son has tried them while competing in Motocross racing. We have tested them on and off many times and very time he comes out best with the patches on.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 \| 08:40 PM Gary No one else has responded to your post so I'll jump in. If you scan previous pages on this forum, and there are a lot of them now, you will see that from time to time people make posts like yours. There then follows a fairly predictable back and forth with the poster usually giving up further posting feeling they have been insulted in one way or another. May I ask how you came across this forum? Cheers, EDHUK
hcmomof4	Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 \| 09:52 PM The only reason I hadn't responded to Gary was that all I could think was that putting patches on the bike might work even better...
Gary	Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 \| 09:20 AM Hi EDHUK, Thanks for the reply, was not trying to start anything just adding my two pence. I found this forum searching to find out more about peoples experience with the patches, as I found it difficult to except they can do anything. A friend gave me a few sets to try out and have been surprised at the results, so now looking at purchasing some. Yes I have seen the reaction on this thread and just added what we had done. hcmomf4 - nice one made me giggle....
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 \| 03:12 PM Gary I'm sure no-one is accusing you of "starting anything". I welcome new input providing it turns out to be genuinely new input. There have been many instances when this did not turn out to be the case. That's why many skeptics will treat your posting with caution. You could well turn out to be yet another LifeWave distibutor. If science was as easy as your acceptance of the patches because they "appeared" to work, a lot more products would be on the shelves! If you read more of this forum, you will see many discussions about your type of "testing". You may well have convinced yourself that the patches work but, unfortunately, it won't pass any kind of realistic scientific method testing. How did you rule out your level of expectation when you placed the patches on your son. How did you account for a young son's desire to please his father? These points may seem picky but they are only meant to highlight how difficult proving efficacy is. When the LifeWave company closes, and it will eventually, how will you rationalize that the patches "worked" for you, when they were only glucose (brown) and glycerin (white) patches that could not possibly do anything at all? How will you rationalize the $100 a month outlay for a scam product? If the patches work so well, why did you feel the need to "test" them "on and off many times"? Surely after the first or second success you would just use them always to give your child that edge against the youngsters who competed using just their own talents? Does your son know what the patches are for and does he see you place them on him? If not you could obtain some form of circular band aid and apply these to the same places. Attempt to be as excited about using the patches as before. Do this many times, just like you did with the LifeWave patches, and see how he does. Best wishes, EDHUK *
EDHUK Member	Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 \| 10:38 AM The power of the placebo. Interesting research just reported concerning the efficacy of Saw Palmetto for treatment of enlarged prostate. Many men suffer with this problem, especially later in life. During the first month all of the men were given placebo capsules. Same look, same smell as the real thing. Subjective improvent was reported by some men. Second month and for rest of study, men divided into two groups. Treatment with Saw Palmetto and placebo group. Results: No difference in groups. Also no difference in numbers reporting improvement from the first month (all placebo). The placebo effect is not to be taken lightly. I have given a link in a previous post where real pain control was achieved with a placebo I/V drip containing saline. Perhaps some people do get an effect from the patches. I continue to be skeptical that our friend DS has "invented" the most amazing scientific breakthrough and chooses to share his product with the world through MLM. *
EDHUK Member	Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 \| 10:40 AM The Study http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?n=65717-saw-palmetto-bph *
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 \| 12:24 PM Ah, the good old days: NaNoMaN Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 \| 10:20 AM 9.The Lifewave patches have also been used on animals and have shown dramatic increases in energy, stamina, and endurance. Studies are being conducted and will be published within 4 months. Product Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 \| 01:01 PM I will present independent third party studies as soon as I get the information from the COnference. I am also in the process of completing a study right now and will share the results once they are finalized. Product Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 \| 07:46 AM WWSN, the new hot ice thermal patch explains their classification with the FDA. I will keep answering your questions. vegas Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 \| 08:21 PM you idiots have NO clue the caliber of people that were at the Conf. & the studies being done & by the way no matter what a couple of X band guys with NO life say or spread around on the NET , we will keep patching people & keep making money & getting benefits from the product as well, also everyone laughs at you...HAHA Fckin HA Another Vegas Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 \| 08:53 PM The Vegas Conference was great, there are a magnitude of things happening. The studies are here, not something that is going to continue to get postponed. Tara Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 \| 08:35 AM ...I was hoping after Sept. 12 that someone from the conference would present something significant in the rhealm of valid research. Guess not. Dr.Boris Member Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 \| 08:14 AM Las Vegas Conference seems to have quieted Lifewavers. Guys! Where are the long awaited scientific results presented by the world's most brilliant minds? End PartI
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 \| 01:05 PM Nanoman Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 \| 02:49 PM ...The studies were not going to be published at the Conference. A few of them were presented but details of them will not be released until they are published. Sgt. Slaughter Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 \| 05:23 PM ...I will send my study in once it is complete. Razela Member Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 \| 02:48 PM "Now that the company has been around for almost a year, Independent clinical studies are currently being conducted by top scientists and Doctors from around the world. Some of these scientists have published over 100 articles in peer reviewed journals. The results of these studies will be published in about 4 months." Weren't these studies the ones that were suppose to come out at the Vegas conference a few weeks ago? And I was looking forward to them too! heath Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 \| 04:32 PM It is all true!! Trust Me. I will tell you more after my research!! A M Clark Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 \| 02:02 PM ...I'm going to investigate further. A M Clark Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 \| 02:55 PM ...As for testing, a Doctor from a local University specialising in Sports Physiology is going to do some VO2max testing under laboratory conditions. We'll see then! A M Clark Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 \| 03:10 PM I will keep you posted. A M Clark Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 \| 03:39 PM I'll come back only when I have some facts for you - one way or the other. (We're still waiting) End PartII *
hcmomof4	Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 \| 03:01 PM Gee herb, thanks for the info. I always wondered what Amino Night didn't contain...
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 \| 04:00 PM Damn spammers seem out in force today. I removed it.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 \| 02:52 PM January came and went. February is well on it's way. NO STUDIES published about the efficacy of LifeWave patches. Who cares...right? *
Bill Nott	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 06:12 AM People really do need to do a little more research before they fly off the handle proclaiming or disclaiming something they really don't know much about. And how about this.. try looking at the PRODUCT first before you start knocking it. Are lifewave patches bogus because a Doctor who happens to stand behind them has a questionable incidence in his past ? Maybe... but for sure ?? Of coarse not..... Is a work of art.. or a wonderful best selling book bogus because someone may have plagiarized it ? NOOO ! The work of art is still beautiful.. the book still a great read.. no matter what jerk may have been trying to take the credit for it. If we all found out that Steven Spielberg was into underground kitty porn... would that mean that all of his hit movies that he made are now trash and have to talent in them ??? SO WHAT if a Doctor had a questionable incident in his past... that absolutely DOES NOT take away the fact that the company LIFEWAVE has developed an amazing breakthrough product. Now , did David Schmidt really invent them.... I don't know... all I want to know is are they for real.. do they work.. and i tell you what ,, they do... wow do they ever work... Now mama didn't raise no fool. I'm just a simple man from Alaska.. I'm 38 years old.. have been a professional chef for 20 years, and over weight . I bought a months supply of the energy patches and sleeping patches and put them through a series of tests... all i can tell you is.. I'm simply blown away...and six of my eight brothers who avidly snowboard and play basketball are blown away... its not in our head,, and we're not being fooled , the results are truly amazing. There are THOUSANDS of people all over the WORLD discovering the same thing... Now.. for those ignorant souls who's lives are so miserable that they feel the need to trash any good thing that comes along..... there are several medical and scientific devices out there that will SCIENTIFICALLY prove , right before your eyes,, that there are immediate and dramatic physiological changes that occur to the body when the patches are applied. Throughout history ,, all of our greateast minds who have made the worlds greatest achievements have been called charlatans and fools... but time has always proved those nay-sayers wrong.... really let yourself think about that fact for a moment..... No matter how good something is.. no matter how truth full something may be.. there will always be those " special " souls out there who will always dedicate there lives in tearing it down... Look what they did to Jesus..............
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 07:58 AM Bill, You really should read the rest of this thread before you "fly off the handle" saying the skeptics are bashing it for no reason. There have been many posters here that say they got no results from the patches. Plus there is the fact that the "science" behind them is totally bogus. Yes, the fact that a doctor with a shady background who promotes them is not proof they don't work. We never said it did. That was just another piece of information to consider with all the other evidence piled against Lifewave. " there are several medical and scientific devices out there that will SCIENTIFICALLY prove , right before your eyes,, that there are immediate and dramatic physiological changes that occur to the body when the patches are applied. " Please elaborate on these devices and your data showing the "scientific proof". When you get that data I'm sure you will be applying for the <a href="http://www.randi.org/research/index.html">JREF $1,000,000 Paranormal Challenge</a>. All the thousands of people you say are discovering the benefits of Lifewave patches have been unwilling to do that so we will leave it to you. "Throughout history ,, all of our greateast minds who have made the worlds greatest achievements have been called charlatans and fools... but time has always proved those nay-sayers wrong" What great achievments are you refering to? The Ouiji Board? Bloodletting? Astrology? They all made great claims but the last time I checked none have proved the nay-sayers wrong. What you are doing with this statement is called "truth by association". Just because some things originally thought to be false were later proved right in no way means Lifewave Energy Patches automatically qualify for status as a legitimate product. They themselves must earn that distinction. We are still waiting for that proof. Perhaps you with your qualifications as a chef can do what Lifewave's doctors and nanotechnology engineers have been unable to. Meanwhile I suggest you study the arguments presented in this thread before you start calling us nay-sayers and "special souls" dedicated to trashing "everything". Remember, the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim and Lifewave has done nothing to make anyone believe their product is anything more than a scam.
Bill Nott	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 09:10 AM My dear Al... My brother is allergic to shrimp... when he eats shrimp.. his face will swell and he develops a horrible headache... So please.. all of you out there ,, stay away from shrimp !! it will make you sick ! You see ,, because it effected my brother this way,, than it stands to reason that it will effect EVERYONE this way !! Does it not ?? But wait a minute..... !! Let me actually use my brain for a minute.. do you think there maybe just miiiight be a smaaall chance this this is a rare occurrence ?? that perhaps shrimp might only infect a small percentage of the people who eat it in a negative way .. while the majority of us can munch away and enjoy all we can eat ?? Gee.. could human bodies.. though all so very similar,, still have slight differences in genetic and chemical code that account for these differences ?? hmmmm ,, And in like manor ,, is it a remote possibility that a small percentage of people who use lifewave feel no effect while the majority of us do ?? hmmmmm... no.. surely that cant be !! My superior intelligence tells me this is not possible !! And there is fact proving that lifewave is bogus ?? lol.. Are you a scientist Al ?.. did you research this proof and scientifically agree with its conclusions based on your years of personal research ? may i view your papers documenting this ? You know.. theres an old saying between politicians in congress... " You show me one report saying one thing ,, and I'll show you half a dozen more saying something else ".. and you know what.. that's the truth... The proof is in the pudding Al......... My father is one of the most intelligent men i know. I like to think that my brothers as well as myself have a brain cell or two. Were not scientists.. were just simple folk who tried something amazing over and over again with the same amazing results..... People who carry a truth with them dont need to go around proving to the whole world and all its skeptics that what they have is the truth... They are comforatable in thier knowlage. They simpley state thier case , and thats it. Those who beleave will beleave and reap the benifets.. those who dont miss out.. its that simple... And who among our historys greatest were called bogus by the nay-saying few you ask Al ? hmmmmm,, heres just a couple nobodys : Einstein , Galileo , Columbus , Edison to name a few... As Forest gump would say.... " Thats all i have to say about that "
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 11:13 AM Bill Nott My father is one of the most intelligent men i know. I like to think that my brothers as well as myself have a brain cell or two. Were not scientists.. were just simple folk who tried something amazing over and over again with the same amazing results..... Unfortunately, Bill, your statement is probably true. Next. *
Bill Nott	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 02:16 PM lol.. had a good chcukle there EDHUK sigh.... In the words of someone hurt by " other " very narrow minded people... Cant we all just get along ?
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 02:55 PM Bill Nott I know, at present, you really believe the LifeWave placebo glucose (brown) and glycerin (white) patches are responsible for the effects you perceive. In time you will find that the only person hurting anyone is David Schmidt. This "clever", (or perhaps cunning would be a better word) businessman has found a way to take money from good folks just like yourself. I totally understand your point of view and that nothing I, or other skeptics, could possibly say will sway your belief in the "product". I can only imagine your level of frustration when you, eventually, come to realize you have been duped. You will not have the satisfaction of confronting the con man because he will have taken his well planned escape route to a life of luxury. We can certainly all get along, but I will never agree with David Schmidt's ideas about making a buck. *
hcmomof4	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 04:50 PM "If we all found out that Steven Spielberg was into underground kitty porn" I know this is really beside the point, but "kitty" porn? Sorry, I'm jus' sayin'....
Bill Nott	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 04:50 PM time will tell..... time will tell....
Bill Nott	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 05:34 PM ur right momo.. it is besides the point... It was used to make a statment..
Bill Nott	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 05:41 PM and a point
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 06:02 PM Bill Nott I really would like to read what your point is. Really! Cheers Bill. *
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 08:27 PM Bill Nott, David Schmidt just loves people like you. I bet he could get you to wear tin foil pants. Don't worry if everybody laughs at you. Just remind them they laughed at Edison and Einstein and you will eventually be vindicated. Seriously though, all those famous people you mentioned eventually proved themselves. I'll bet there are millions of others who were laughed at and never got recognized because they really couldn't prove what they claimed. Unfortunately their names are lost to history. Gee, isn't it stange how only the successful are remembered? No I am not a scientist. That's what's so funny about this whole thing. Lifewave's claim about using glucose and glycerine in a patch to make an FM radio transmitter are so far out to lunch, a Grade 5 student could tell them it's bullshit. Then there's the part about communicating with the body's magnetic field to program it to burn more fat! Okay that might require Grade 7. Weren't you paying attention in school? Maybe you skipped science and spent the time in Home Ec, I don't know. What I do know is Lifewave claims are false and it's no coincidence they haven't been able or willing to prove them. By the way, I worked in radio design for a number of years so don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when I say the patches can not work like an FM radio. But this is so basic anyone who's taken Electronics 101 could also tell you that. If you know otherwise, please enlighten me. Another thing is we don't pretend to say you and your brothers got no benefit from the patches. Many others have claimed this also but it's nothing that can't be attributed to the placebo effect. And how are you so confident the number of people who got no benefit from the patches are only a small percentage? We've never said how many did and how many didn't. Maybe a majority get no results. What would you say to that? So if you are so sure you know the truth, when can we expect to see your application for the $1,000,000 prize?
Bill Nott	Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 \| 10:03 PM All i can say is.. WOOOOW... This will be my last post... there is no point in responding further , and like i said , time will tell. So Al , you keep right on jumping up and down while throwing rocks at the moon while and making grunting noises , because that's close to where your level of intelligence lies in the reality of things. You have quite the audacity to claim that YOU know just what is and is not possible in this world full of everyday miracles. A world in which science is still in its infancy in so many areas that , while we know more now than we ever have , its dwarfed by all that we DONT know... take a world renowned nero-surgeon. While we know today more than we ever have in the past about the brain , one of the first things that he will tell you in just how LITTLE we still know... that MOST of how it does what it does in a mystery... And your going to find that that's the case in almost any area of science.. there is still so much we don't know and understand. BUT WAIT A MINUTE !! i forgot ,,, we have YOU AL !!! You worked in radio design so now you can tell us all just what is and is not possible in the understanding of our bodies !!! woo hoooo !! With this supreme knowledge of what can and can not be ( should we call you a .... Demi-God ) ??? .... surely your a rich man Al.... hows about throwin some change over to us po gullible folk.... we needs it after being duped and all... heck ,, we so dumb that though we experience a significant jump in our energy and stamina time after time after time.. its really not happening ,,, its just in our heads... wow we's dumb !! Comparing it to a FM station is more of a easier to understand metaphor than explain the actual science behind whats happening... geez mon...... EDHUK... i have more respect for you. You seem to have a level head , and as Ive stated before , and as ill state this last time in this.. my last post... Time will tell............. edhuk... if ya ever wanna have any more level headed conversations and friendly arguments about this as time goes on and one of is proven write... my e-mail is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) 😊 Al.. your not invited.. heh heh
Bill Nott	Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 \| 06:13 AM I know i said my last post was the last.... but something happened... My conscience has been eating at me all night. So much so that i found it hard to sleep.... so here i sit at 3:30 am writing this... I just want to apologize to you captain Al... and anyone else that i might have offended.... Calling names and belittling anothers intelligence is wrong. I guess i was just caught up in the moment and fell into that same old trap that so many throughout history as well as modern times have fallen into. And that's the pattern of thinking that what you personaly believe is right... and anyone else who thinks differently is wrong... and by gosh you will make them see the light or else !! This planets history as well as current events have been plagued by such thinking , and its been the cause of much blood shed and unnecessary loss of life....... From the Crusades to our current war... this has been , as a global society , one of our greatest downfalls... and i just don't want to be apart of that.. even in the smallest sense as to be bickering in a negitive way about who is right or wrong in these posts... So to Al and EDHUK and everyone else.. I'm sincerely sorry.... We will all choose to believe what we will ... and you know what... that's ok 😊
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 \| 11:37 AM Bill Nott I'm sorry you have chosen not to contribute any more. This forum LifeWave thread is littered with "last" postings from people who just got frustrated with the questions asked of them. You are absolutely right. We will all find out in time if David Schmidt is truly one of the greatest scientists of the last hundred years. You are pinning your hopes on him being for real and giving him a monthly income to show your support. I would very much enjoy extra energy...who wouldn't, but LifeWave's claims just don't make any sense and so I choose not to spend my money. Even though Schmidt continues to use an old 2004 study to "prove" the patches are non-transdermal, I'm still not convinced. What if it turned out the patches were transdermal and you were being given a dose of stumulant? The placebo explanation is probably nearer the mark and as I have mentioned before the body can experience real, verifiable changes from using a placebo. Perhaps at some time in the future you would be kind enough to look at the forum again and maybe give us an update. I'd be interested to see if you continue to use the patches and have good results. I'm going to assume you are not a distributor. Regards, EDHUK
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 \| 07:03 PM Don't sweat it Bill. I don't mind if someone calls me names or belittles me as long as they don't mind me doing the same in return. They're only words anyway.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 \| 05:49 PM Just a thought: If you had a product that had amazing results and had been seen on the occasional sports player on cable television, wouldn't it be covered by Network Television? Aren't there a number of specialty programmes that would just love to report on such a ground breaking invention? Wouldn't reporters fall over themselves to be the first to interview David Schmidt? Wouldn't they? Of course they would. Now ask yourself why they haven't. ?
Bill Nott	Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 \| 06:36 PM lol.. nice try UDHUK , and good point , BUT !! First off... the most popular patch placment is on the sholders... so they would not be visible under the uniforms.. and more likley than not,, they would remove them right away in the locker room as to not invite any prying questions... after all.. who would want to give away ones cutting edge secrete to the other team ? That would be like two guys of equal strength who were ready to get into a fist fight , and one of the guys had something that made him stronger and faster than the other guy.. do you think he would want to share that secret ? or keep it hidden... answer : Hidden....... And secondly , Our US swim team used the these patches while training for the Olympics in Athens , and they also tried to use them in the actual event itself and because they are non-transdermal , it wasent illegle. But the other swimteams and coatchs made such a fuss ( they had no idea what the patches were and thought they might have been something illegle ) that our team dident wear them for actual races , though they wanted to. Now all of this is had been documented and can be looked up online... So naturaly after those events , its not a surprize that professional sports players would want to keep using the patches a secret and avoid any conflict from those who dident understand what they were seeing.... Just my thoughts on the matter 😊 Hope your day is going well Edhuk.... Bill........
EDHUK Member	Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 \| 06:59 PM Bill, This forum has many posts reporting on what you have stated. The LifeWave website has all the information you refer to. My point is that given the amount of reports by LifeWavers and the pictures clearly showing what we are to believe are patches, why hasn't Good Morning America done a report? We've been "impressed" by reports of David Beckham using the patches, famous race horses using the patches, basketball players etc. etc. but no interesting coverage on NOVA. No fascinating report from any of the science channels. No Sunday morning interview with DS as he explains the inner workings of his company. Is it that the "establishment" isn't ready to take in the enormity of the invention? Is it that "they" are out to spoil the LifeWave dream of health and riches? You may want to read this forum from page 1 Bill. It covers a lot of ground, including most of the points you are probably thinking about right now. Glad you decided to stick around after all. It's been getting pretty boring lately as we await the obvious conclusion to the LifeWave revolution. Regards, EDHUK *
Bill Nott	Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 \| 07:11 PM thanx EdHUK... im glad i stuck around also 😊 Just out of curiosity , have you tried the patches yourself yet ?
EDHUK Member	Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 \| 08:25 PM Bill, Now you're sounding like a distributor! Say it ain't so. If I tried the patches and felt an effect it would be just the same as all the other annectdotal reports; totally worthless as an objective report of efficacy. Last September, LifeWave LLC made statements that bona fide research would be published in January 2006. The research would satisfy all the doubter's questions. Of course, January came and went with no sight of a single study. LifeWave LLC was unable to keep even the simplest of promises, for the most obvious of reasons. As I stated before, Bill, if you had read the entire forum, you would see that the question you just posed has been asked many times by other distributors. Other people on this forum have tried the patches with zero results. LifeWavers have a miriad of reasons why these people should be discounted. It really is all about the money, Bill. If you have become, or are about to become, a distributor, good luck with your venture. However, never forget there will be a price to pay, and if your personality is as you have demonstrated in a previous posting, you will take the paying of that price very hard. Please take care. EDHUK *
Bill Nott	Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 \| 10:56 PM Prove it.......... i wonder just how many times that statement has been used.... i bet if i had a 1% of a penny for each time those two word have been uttered.. there would be no poverty or hunger in this world because i would own everything on the planet and take care of everyone.... I completely understand the need for proof... but so much of what is good and pure in this world cannot be proven in black and white text... it must be felt by the heart.. by the spirit... There's a scene in the movie CONTACT with Jody foster and Matthew McConaughey that i truly love... Jody Foster is a scientist who demands hard black and white facts before she is willing to believe anything... Matthew plays a man of faith... and on a balcony scene.. she states that she needs cold hard facts to believe something... Matthew than asks her... " Did you love your father ? " Jody promptly replies yes... he than says " prove it ".... and than she is at a loss for words... how can she possibly prove this ?... She knows in her heart and soul that she loved her father deeply.. but how can she prove such a complex and mysterious thing as love ? In the same context... What if ( and i believe this ) David Schmidt stumbled across something incredible in his quest for energy enhancement by accident....that he found more than he was looking for... that he unlocked a door with a key he didn't even know he had... many great discoveries have been found this way...by divine intervention or sheer luck , they open the gates to something wonderful. Like Ive stated before.. so much of the functions of the body are still a mystery.... But once in a extremely rare while..something is discovered and unlocked that can benefit all of us..its not far fetched to think that this is the case with LifeWave. But how can such miraculous and complex things be proven to the satisfaction of the masses...... It takes faith.......... . and time.......... Anything worhwhile always does.........
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 \| 02:02 AM Bill Nott said: "Prove it.......... i wonder just how many times that statement has been used.... i bet if i had a 1% of a penny for each time those two word have been uttered.. there would be no poverty or hunger in this world because i would own everything on the planet and take care of everyone...." So, you go through life simply believing everything that anyone tells you? You must, since you don't require proof, right? Fascinating. I've never mentioned this before but I have invented something that cures all illness. I'd be happy to let you in on the secret, which of course would make you billions of dollars. What I want you to do is empty your bank account and send all your money to me. Now, since you don't require PROOF of things, you have absolutely NO reason to question what I'm saying. So, when can I expect your money to arrive in my mailbox? "What if ( and i believe this ) David Schmidt stumbled across something incredible in his quest for energy enhancement by accident....that he found more than he was looking for... that he unlocked a door with a key he didn't even know he had... many great discoveries have been found this way...by divine intervention or sheer luck , they open the gates to something wonderful." I hardly know where to begin with this. Your entire "argument" in defense of Schmidt rests on "what if." Uh, how about "what if it ain't true?" Your thinking here doesn't even amount to the proverbial house of cards. It's more like a house of IMAGINARY cards. You WANT Schmidt's nonsense to be true so you're willing to make excuses for his lack of evidence for his absurd claims. This, my friend, is a recipe for being ripped off by someone who is willing to lie to get their hands on your money. What exactly WOULD it take for you to decide that Schmidt is a fraud?
Bill Nott	Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 \| 05:09 AM I was wondering if you were ever gonna throw your 2 cents in on this one mediaguy... How could you have miss-read everything that i wrote so badley ? In answer to your question,, i dont go around beleaving everything people tell me... what a silly thing to say ... The day i beleave that Mr.Schmidt is a fraud is the day that the patches stop working for me , my family , my friends and everyone else that i personaly know who use them...
Bill Nott	Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 \| 05:28 AM Mediaguy.. if you just knocked back a couple shots of rum... you would start to feel the effect in the form of a light " buzz " would you not... Now what if i came up to you and asked you " mediaguy.. are you buzzed ? " You reply yes .. so i ask " prove it " What would you do.. aside from acting silly , there would be no real way for you to prove to me that you were feeling a buzz. Even though you knew you were physicaly feeling the effects of the alchohol.. there would be no real way for you to prove that to me so that i beleaved you without a shadow of a doubt... I could than ramble on and on about how i beleaved that the rum you were drinking was nothing more than flavored water.. and that you were fooled by the Liquor store ,, and that what you were feeling was in your head and not real. Meanwhile , you would be sitting there shaking your head... knowing that the buzz your were feeling was real... and feeling very sorry for someone as silly as me.......
hcmomof4	Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 \| 10:02 AM If CMG knocked back a couple shots of rum, it could be scientifically proven that he had alcohol in his blood, whether or not he thought he felt it...
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 \| 05:16 PM Bob, As you know, all the points raised by Bill have been covered on this forum many times. It's impressive that the thread has now almost reached 100 pages, but any newcomers to the site are faced with a daunting task if they are to look at all the previous posts. I'm sure Bill felt he was raising some new points and issues but, unfortunately he was not. To Bill, I would ask that you take the time to look at previous posts from those who have had an effect from wearing the patches. It will be dejavu,but at least you'll know what's been covered. I'm still hoping you can raise some new issues from the viewpoint of someone who believes the product is real and doesn't, as yet, feel they have been ripped off. For the skeptics among us, it is still fascinating to try to understand how people can so easily be hoodwinked. EDHUK :o)
Joel Member	Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 \| 12:16 AM Some guy tried to sell me LifeWave patches on a ski lift, claiming that it was
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 \| 01:37 AM So, Joel, I take it you're saying you don't believe the patches work? 😊 Kidding aside, you're completely right, of course, that all the "science" behind LifeWave is on the same level as the stuff in the last fifteen minutes of your average Star Trek: The Next Generation episode. You know, where Geordi and Data reverse the polarity of the tachyon stream and route it into the transporter via the Jeffries tubes.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 \| 02:08 AM hcmomof4 said: "If CMG knocked back a couple shots of rum, it could be scientifically proven that he had alcohol in his blood, whether or not he thought he felt it..." Very true. And I would be more than shocked, as I don't drink, but that's another story. I guess the point of the original post was that, on occasion, people who thought they were drinking alcohol (but weren't) have acted as if they were drunk. That, of course, only proves the power of the placebo, which is what we skeptics are saying is almost certainly the source of any "effect" that people feel from using LifeWave.
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