The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 01:25 PM
I've figured out why 2.345GHz seems to be a familiar frequency.

Computer overclockers use this setting on some of their upgrades.

Satelite radio. S band frequencies (2.32-2.345 GHz)

Perhaps that's why you feel better in your car when you listen to that frequency on your satelite radio!

Why buy a patch system when you get the same effect driving to work letting your body cells be "instructed" to "make more energy" by the 2.345GHz signal.

Should the radio station charge you for this "added" effect?

Nanoman, you really are the joker!

Well done!

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Tammy
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 01:38 PM
As someone who has been approached to be involved with life wave I have bought patches and they Do not come in any protection from differant heat sources but in a big brown envelope..I have tried these patches and found no yes i repeat no differance.I have been told i have more energy but do not know!!!!!111
Tammy
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 01:57 PM
Sorry gues I should offer my credentials.I have no degree in anything relating to this subject>i am a stay at home mom who does energy work.Yes I work with the energy field surrounding the body.I beleive in and study chakra's ect.That is why i was introduced to the patches and in my opinion the do not do anything in the energy field ohh wait when you stick them to your body you feel them....Other than that in a one month trial on myself I had ups and downs of differant levels of energy some days wow awesome can this be attributed to the patches i doubt it cause that was 3 months ago and you know what this month I had ups and downs too.Maybe i better get some more patches in case My energy was not as high as it could have been ..sorry being sarcastic.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 02:48 PM
Tammy,

As I'm sure you know, the LifeWave organization will fall back on the "small print" that the patches do not work for everyone.

It's such an elegant get out clause, but so easy for people to relate to other "real world" examples.

Not everyone responds to antibiotics in the same way, or pain killers, or a whole host of medicines, therapies etc.

This neat trick of "association" is used time and again in the LifeWaves sales technique.

They talk about something many people (many bright people) have heard about, like ATP and energy production. Then they link that thought, or associate it, with their "product" which, they claim, can instruct your cells to make more of this substance.

How many people have gone on to read about ATP and try to figure out if this claim actually makes sense?

They have mentioned, briefly, that a certain famous soccer player used the patches. They hoped readers would than associate this information with their claims for the product. He uses them, therefore they must work, right?

How many people have stopped to think about the "something for nothing" concept? Isn't LifeWave basically saying wear the patches and within a few minutes you will have "extra" energy?

How did your body "pay" for the "extra" energy? There must be a physical price to pay, unless David Schmidt has also figured out how to change that particular law of physics!

Thank you Tammy for posting your observations. I'm always surprised that more people like you don't post here. I wonder if some people are just too embarassed to own up to being conned?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 03:15 PM
Back to the LifeWave website which seems to have less and less "detailed" information as the months roll by.

From the "What is in the Patches?" section.

"When properly assembled, we believe that these LifeWave
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 06:09 PM
"Hey, Captain Al, I think you should forward this new information about the oscillating frequency of LifeWave patches to James Randi. I'm sure he would be very interested in that information.
"

Cranky,

Good idea. I drop a note to him. My first thought was to wait until I can actually do some tests with a spectrum analyzer and have pictures of the screen display as evidence but that could be a while. If he puts it in his commentary then maybe someone else could do it sooner.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 06:19 PM
Captain Al

Isn't the slight problem that we have received this "new" information from Nanoman.

Why should we believe one word of Nanoman's postings?

One minute Nanoman gives us cause to believe he/she is an insider, then the next posts:

"Great question about the heat. I don't know the answer to this one. I would recommend writing Lifewave support with your question."

If Nanoman was an insider he/she would be able to come up with an answer in short order, right?

I believe Nanoman to be nothing more than another diversionary tactic.

Meanwhile, the sales of this scam product continue to those still not convinced it's all a scam.

$$$
Pabl
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 06:59 PM
In defense of nanoman, I do not think he knowingly lies to this forum.

Nanoman, one last question from me. If the patches affect lactate levels, how come performance does not increase. At the end of a mile race you can clearly see that those athletes are fighting that Lactic acid

How can i "sell" the idea to test the patches to my athletics director if there in not even a promise of better performance?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 09:57 PM
Pabl

Please think carefully before you attempt to "sell" this scam to your athletics director.

Your street cred will be worth nothing when LifeWave hits the dirt, and it most certainly will.

If you have no street cred, then perhaps you can appear to gain some for a while by going along with this scam.

Alternatively, why not talk with a few biology, chemistry, physics professors and ask them about their views on this product.

Your street cred will skyrocket if you turn out to be the one who saves everyone a great deal of money, not to say embarassment.

Regards.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 10:18 PM
With apologies to everyone for posting so often, but I think you will find this is worth a look.

As WWSN1 stated, companies with brand new technology/claims must be very closely scrutinized.

This company failed to make the cut!

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/csct.html

"Its promoters claimed that the device detected vibrational differences between cancer cells and normal cells and killed cancer cells by sending back their frequency, which would cause them to rupture and die"

So, if we are to believe the great inventor DS, he could actually do this with his invention (set at the correct cancer cell killing frequency) and become the savior of the world in short order, right?

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 10:49 PM
Thanks WWSN1, now I'm totally confused!

Actually, no I'm not. Obviously, Dr. Haltiwanger's comments are just a potpourri of random scientific lingo. According to him, Nanoman is dead wrong if he says the patches work at 2.345 GHz because the good doctor says they work in the infrared frequencies. That's much higher, by several orders of magnitude. Not that it matters since the doctor's explanation makes no sense either.

I'm getting tired of people talking about the electromagnetic spectrum in terms of "vibrations". It's a simple analogy used to explain the phenomena at audio frequencies. It works there since audio is just vibrations the brain interprets as sound. So if a tree falls in the forest, it does not make a sound. It just transmits vibrations through the air. Only if there is person there to have their brain translate the vibrations, is there "sound".

When you move up to radio frequencies it's not vibrations but the changing of electrical polarity (the current's direction) that's happening. Electrical polarity can change at audio frequencies too. That's why electrical transformers sometimes hum. You are hearing some of the electrical energy being converted to mechanical energy (vibrations) by the AC line current going through the transformer, changing direction 60 times per second (60 Hz), which happens to be in the audio range.

Sorry for the long rant, but I really thought this vibration thing needed clearing up.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 10:56 PM
EDHUK,

You may have a point. It is Nanoman's claim, not Lifewave's, that the patches work at 2.345 GHz. According to WWSN1 though, there should be some detectable output from the patches in the infrared. That's not hard to test either.

In the meantime, I'm sure this " cell vibration" thing can easily be officially debunked by consulting reputable biologists.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 01:09 AM
Captain Al said:

"Good idea. I drop a note to him. My first thought was to wait until I can actually do some tests with a spectrum analyzer and have pictures of the screen display as evidence but that could be a while. If he puts it in his commentary then maybe someone else could do it sooner."

My thought exactly. Randi has some very good contacts with people with access to high-level toys. If we get lucky, he might pass your info on to one of them and we can get a definitive answer to whether these silly little plastic patches "vibrate" at 2.345 GHz (or any other detectable frequency).

So, if these things DON'T vibrate, is LifeWave lying to the public and therefore in violation of the law? Or is the 2.345 GHz thing just a Nanoman invention?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 07:05 AM
CMG

I tend to believe Nanoman is just a distraction ploy. He/she is so obviously contradicted by the official LifeWave people it's not even funny.

Nanoman continues to be VERY successful at one thing only; keeping people looking at minutiae while LifeWave continues to make obscene amounts of money from worthless pieces of plastic shells filled with glucose and glycerin. (11/23/04 Study commissioned by LifeWave states ONLY glucose (brown) and glycerin (white) present in patches).

http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/mva_study_11-23-04.pdf

Nanoman has ZERO credibility.

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Pabl
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 08:12 AM
EDHUK, thanks for your concern about my rep.

But somebody has to come down from the Ivory Tower, and do a community service. I am convinced that consumers will be better served with empirical falsification, than with skepticisms based solely in theoretical reasons (even if they are totally justified).

I have been trying to get a sense of how can the claims be falsifiable. And maybe coming up with a list would be a good use of our time here.

Thanks
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 10:36 AM
Pabl

It's not our place to attempt to prove a negative. Is it even possible to prove a negative?

When ANY company sells something for profit, am I supposed to prove their claims for the product are false, and ONLY if I can't believe their claims buy the product?

LifeWave LLC makes amazing claims for a system consisting of glucose and glycerin in plastic discs that you stick to your body.

To date, they have not given ANY verifiable proof whatsoever that the patches are anything other than a scam.

They continue to claim "studies" proving the system is not a scam are on the way.

Meanwhile everything else is ANECDOTAL.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anecdotal

"Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis"

You put the patches on, you felt more energy, therefore it must have been due to the patches, right?

How could you possibly know?

That's where verifiable studies and peer review comes in. If respected scientists around the world had taken samples of the patches and rigorously tested them under accepted protocols, the results would have some credibility.

A man, who happened to work at a University (and was a LifeWave distributor), who claimed to have conducted "Tests" that prooved the patches worked, and therefore you should buy some, is not a credible source of information.

No matter how you attempt to falsify LifeWave's claims, they will insist your testing methods were not valid. They will insist their testing methods ARE valid. You would be wasting your valuable time.

Regards.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 10:39 AM
Correction

When ANY company sells something for profit, am I supposed to prove their claims for the product are false, and ONLY if I can't falsify their claims, buy the product?
Pabl
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 10:51 AM
EDHUK,


So, you dont think that the average person would be less willing to buy the patches if someone shows a null effect of the patches in an empirical study, than if someone tells him/er that the theory behind the patches does not agree with anything else we know about the physical and biological laws?

It is not a rethorical question. I do want to know people's opinion on this issue
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 11:52 AM
Pabl

I think that if I were to conduct a study and show my friends that the results proved the patches didn't work, they would say, "They work for me, that's all that matters".

The LifeWave scam throws up the whole area of why people believe in certain things.

Who are people going to believe? Your results from a "study" you conducted, or LifeWave LLC with a famous "inventor" and a staff with "credentials" and a wealth of "testimonials" from famous people?

People are so easily scammed. There are many articles on the internet that discuss why intelligent people get duped.

My friend,and the reason I started posting back in the Summer, is an intelligent person, yet he was convinced the patches were the real thing.

He stuck them on and thought he had extra energy. He put extra tape on them to stop them coming off when he trained at the gym or did his yoga or stood on his magnets.

He had a host of confounding variables in his life that could have been responsible for his health, either individually, or in combination.

He chose to believe the patches and proceeded to sell them to his friends and make more money for LifeWave LLC.

If, by now, you are feeling a little frustrated at not being able to confirm that these patches are a scam or not, imagine how the sceptics who post here feel.

It's very frustrating to think that people are taken in by the sheer volume of material apparently out there on the net. Even when most of the material is just a repetition of the home company website.

The truth about LifeWave WILL come out eventually. People like WWSN1 and CMG and others have been following scams much longer than I have. They know how the routine goes. (This is the first scam and my first website forum that I have posted on).

Regards.
Nanoman
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 12:23 PM
PABL,

I would recommend doing some demonstrations of the patches for the Athletic Director. There are a number of strength tests that show the patches make you stronger. You can also have subjects do as many pushups as they can, then apply patches, rest 10 minutes and repeat. I would also recommend having someone come in that has a spectravision or an NTA 1000 machine that shows how the patches change the bodies energy and also where the best place to place the patches may be.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 02:12 PM
EDHUK said:

"The truth about LifeWave WILL come out eventually. People like WWSN1 and CMG and others have been following scams much longer than I have. They know how the routine goes. (This is the first scam and my first website forum that I have posted on)."

Thanks for the kind words. Yeah, I was a weird kid so I've been reading about this kind of thing for decades now but, trust me, you're doing a fine job yourself. I would never have guessed that this was the first time you've tackled something like this.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 02:23 PM
EDHUK said:

"I tend to believe Nanoman is just a distraction ploy. He/she is so obviously contradicted by the official LifeWave people it's not even funny."

Well, I don't know if he's an OFFICIAL distraction, but he certainly serves that purpose, doesn't he?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 03:17 PM
Pabl,

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 | 06:49 AM
Nice try again Bob. Now you have resorted to using my name. I won't be back. Just quit sending me your crap by email.

Nano "I won't be back" man certainly tries to stay on topic!

Check out the LifeWave website FAQ section.
http://www.lifewave.com/faq-home.asp

"Basically get them to try the patches and follow up with them. Follow up is the single most important aspect of this business. The people who want to know everything before they get started take up most of your time and never do anything."

Sound Familiar?

"The key to a profitable business is to duplicate a winning formula and to teach everyone in your downline to do and teach the same formula."

But it's not all about the money, that's the main thing!

"The most common reason that the patches don
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 03:25 PM
I have posted this link before but it's worth looking at again.

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/cra.htm

"The parlour trick of pretending to test muscle strength by pushing against some muscle group and then doing it again under supposedly different circumstances is well known."

Enjoy.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 | 10:06 PM
Bob,

Beautiful post.

A perfect example of how this scam works.

I especially liked the new part about repressed/suppressed energies!

Whatever next?

We both know there will be a next.

Cheers
EDHUK
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 | 12:46 AM
Hey, Bob, AKA WWSN1, maybe you should consider donating your extra LifeWave DVD to Randi's library. I'm sure he'd enjoy taking a look at what they're saying these days.

His email address is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 | 01:16 PM
Bob said:

"There is one scene where Dr. Haltiwanger gets uncharacteristically emotional as he instructs the people in the audience to not listen to naysayers who try to destroy your dreams and say the patches don't work. I might just post that segment on the WWSN."

That "dream stealers" crap is classic multi-level rhetoric. That very same term is used by other MLM proponents. Gosh, I thought LifeWave wasn't about the money but all about helping people. Uh huh.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 | 01:48 PM
WWSN1

Bob, your post of the words by Urologist, Dr. Ilan Gruenwald from Israel, illustrates the beauty and the danger of the Internet.

LifeWave, as well as many other scams, is able to expand so rapidly via the Internet. A week on the Internet is like a month, if not longer, by other methods.

A business (or scam) can grow exponentially with apparent ease. Many people are still naive with regard to the Internet. If it's posted it must be true, right?

This Christmas clearly demonstrated people are getting very comfortable with on-line shopping. I imagine it will take a few more years before people get really savvy about sifting through on-line claims. Scams will continue to prosper until people get comfortable with doing their own background checks.

However, just as the Internet can enable companies, scams and all, to prosper in a matter of months, not years, it can also bring information that causes the collapse of said scams.

This forum, and a few dogged posters, keep plugging away, repeating their belief that LifeWave is a scam.

Dr. Gruenwald has experienced a voice in his head saying "What if it IS a scam?"

I imagine a number, an ever increasing number, will be hearing that little voice in the back of their head.

As I stated before, I'm getting to witness my first scam as it comes to an end. You and others like CMG have seen it all before.

Maybe Christmas will come early this year!

Cheers. :o)

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 | 06:50 PM
WWSN1

Looks like the good doctor could afford to loose the odd pound or two before HE has a stroke!

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Joe
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 | 08:07 PM
Does Dr. Haltiwanger use the patches? If the patches increase fat-burning, he should be a little more slimmer. Does he not believe in his product?

Probably put them on wrong.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 | 11:23 AM
WWSN1

Bob,

"As a side note, many people "lose interest" in the patches due to (usually unconsciously) avoiding detoxing and/or confronting repressed/suppressed energies...This is something to consider as well."

Perhaps the good doctor Haltiwanger is keeping his fat supplies in a "suppressed" form!

If only he could confront his fat, the patches would work and he would be svelte in no time flat!

Hands up anyone who isn't finally getting the idea that LifeWave LLC is a scam!

!
Pabl
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 | 07:42 PM
I will admit that I was wrong (perhaps proving EDHUK hypothesis that I am not a real scientist): Testing the patches are not worth my time, and it is more likely to be a good "Intro to Experimental Design" kind of exercise for some undergrad.

I still think, however, that an organized effort to present the public with the truth about Lafiwave should be made, so that when people google "lifewave", at least they can easily get access to the information.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 | 08:23 PM
Pabl,

Sceptics like WWSN1, CMG, James Randi, and many others, including myself, have posted questions and raised issues on this forum to do exactly what you suggest.

We are attempting to present the general public with the truth about LifeWave.

After giving due thought to the arguments given here, how could anyone with the ability to logically reason not think that LifeWave LLC is a scam MLM Company?

Why have even the most basic and fundamental questions remained unanswered?

Why is there no detailed verifiable information about David Schmidt's scientific background and associated credentials/qualifications?

If I want to learn about ANY reputable person working in the scientific field, doing research, having invented a new product, I can read it without too much trouble.

David Schmidt is INVISIBLE to this kind of simple background check.

Why is that?

What is the simplest answer to my question?

You're right. It's all just a scam.

Best wishes.

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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 | 02:04 AM
"one woman immediately gained 25% more strength with the patches, but because she was not experiencing any huge surge of energy she still insisted she did not feel any different."

Why, it's ALMOST as if the "increase in energy" was imaginary or something. Nah, that's crazy talk!

I guess it's that "special" kind of energy that you can't sense or measure (except, of course, to "prove" that it's really there, even when the subject doesn't seem to realize it) in any way. Wow, those patches are AMAZING!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 | 10:49 AM
CMG

"one woman immediately gained 25% more strength with the patches, but because she was not experiencing any huge surge of energy she still insisted she did not feel any different."

I wonder how they decided she had an extra 25% more strength?

Did she lift 125 lbs where before she could only lift 100lbs?

Even if she did lift 125lbs, how did they concluse that it MUST have been the patches that caused the increase?

As with everything else that LifeWave puts out, the information is riddled with problems.

WWSN notes the science is "SO transparent". The problem is that there are many people out there who do not have even the most fundamental understanding of science, experimental design etc.

To these people, the "science" sounds wonderful. They buy the patches believing it must all be true.

Meanwhile we continue to wait for the promised studies.

Four months + and counting.

?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 | 05:34 PM
"Should you wish to express doubt about the existence of human energy fields, I would respectfully point out that, in 1984, Dr. Karlos Riebel from Switzerland won the Nobel Physics Prize for his work in precisely defining and quantifying the human energy fields.

The Harmony Chip is just another scam product that uses "truth by assocation" to claim legitimacy. These guys must be targeting the extremely gullible market. They must think no one would bother to verify the information in their ad.

It took all of 30 seconds on the Internet to find out a <a href="http://nobelprize.org/physics/laureates/1984/">Carlo Rubbia</a> (they couldn't even copy his name right) won the 1984 Nobel Prize for Physics and that his research had absolutely nothing to do with a "human energy field". A quick scan of his <a href="http://nobelprize.org/physics/laureates/1984/rubbia-lecture.pdf">Nobel lecture</a> confirms this. Also, he is Italian not Swiss.

I wonder if Mr. Rubbia knows his name is being used to promote this bogus product?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 | 06:08 PM
Captain Al

We are doubting Thomas's!

How dare we check up on this good company's claim.

How dare we check up on LifeWave's claim.

How dare we!
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 | 09:13 PM
Hehe, I'd like to see football players waving patches at the opposing team on the field. That would be so funny.

Of course! All the other University teams have been weakening our Arizona players by "switching" the patches. No wonder they are always losing.

I don't understand how that's suppose to work anyways. Wouldn't it also weaken all the players on your team? Wouldn't it even weaken you?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 | 08:04 PM
NEWS OF STUDIES PROMISED FOR JANUARY 2006

Can't seem to find the promised studies.

Anyone know why?

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Joe
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 | 03:40 PM
Funny at first, but then it turns sad. It's sad that people actually believe that this would work.

Were they being serious? Seemed more like a joke.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 | 10:49 AM
WWSN1

I posted the ratbags link a little while back. Interesting stuff.

Your arm wrestling link is fascinating. It shows how David Schmidt is able to look as though he knows what he's talking about (to most of the people most of the time).

During his video demonstration of strength and positive and negative etc. he demonstrates something else.

David Schmidt makes a Electrical Properties 101 GOOF.

Current travels from negative TO positive.

He used the "positive" part of his hand to somehow reinforce the subject, when in fact he would be draining the subject's strength!

Isn't the power of suggestion wonderful.

In the field of "Party tricks to amuse your friends" David Schmidt scores high in my book. Is it worth $100 + a month?

I doubt it.

What do you think?

?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 | 07:31 AM
Joe

"Were they being serious? Seemed more like a joke."

While many continue to think LifeWave LLC is for real, there are those who continue to believe LifeWave LLC is a joke, but with serious consequences.

People continue to pay for worthless glucose (brown) and glycerin (white) patches in the hope that they will get the same effect as seen in the DVD demonstrations.

A troubling trend, for LifeWave, has been the number of people for whom the patches did nothing.
"I know that for some the patches did work and am trying to find out why for most they didnt. Of course I am worried about my reputation and that is why I am looking for scientific proof."

Proof that we are all eagerly anticipating at 4 months plus since the promise of a January 2006 explosion of verifiable published studies.

This forum has discussed how people can be so gullible. You don't have to be stupid to be gullible. Many highly intelligent people get scammed.

The LifeWave LLC DVD illustrates the "crowd effect". David Schmidt plays the crowd like a violin. He even repositions his volunteer's hand to a position an inch or so further back on the top of the head! It all adds to the illusion that this stuff is for real.

It's all very sad.

For those who continue to believe the patches are for real. Look at the face of David Schmidt and Warren Hanchey. Remember that look and, when LifeWave LLC is a distant memory, remember what you see isn't always what you get!

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lisa
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 | 08:02 PM
is it true that Lifeways won a 9 million dollar suit against you guys? I had just recently heard about these patches and today read your site for about 3 hrs...head spinning and just asked someone else about the findings/opinions of people on this site and that was what I was told. My goodness, who & what...to believe..I am exhausted from all of this and going to bed, I hope I do not dream it too...I am so disturbed by all the major contradictions everywhere. I have not tried the patches or am not in the company nor know anyone personally who is. I assume that none of the regulars outright lie and slander here. I feel really sad if so, really.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 | 08:24 PM
Lisa,

Firstly, there is no "you guys".
People, just like yourself, post comments on this forum and say what's on their mind. Anyone can post from any part of the world, and they have.

The only lawsuit that has been mentioned here is the one against LifeWave LLC.

http://thesurfboard.net/download/sscomplaint.htm

You have obviously seen by reading the posts that whenever anyone questions the LifeWave patches of glucose (brown) and glycerin (white) they get accused of all sorts of things. I have been accused of being employed by major companies to try to discredit LifeWave. That claim is beyond laughable!

Think about the person or persons who told you about the 9 Million dollar fictitious lawsuit. Do they use the patches? Are they distributors of the patches? Do you think they might have a vested interest?

Keep on reading and you will, hopefully, see that LifeWave LLC is a scam company with a scam product. If you decide to pay your $100 a month you will achieve nothing more than add to the dishonestly earned wealth of David Schmidt.

As with everyone else, you pays your money and you makes your choice.

Best wishes,

EDHUK
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 | 08:42 PM
Edhuk's right Lisa. We are all just different people from around the world that come here to post.

9 million dollars. Wow, I wish I could sue lifewave for that much, I would be sure to win. Unfortunately, they couldn't sue me for that much, I'm merely a poor college student.

Nope, lifewave hasn't gotten any money from me and won't either as I refuse to waste my money on a scam such as this one. If there was a 9 million dollar lawsuit against us, it would have been mentioned somewhere on this message board, or at least someplace else on the internet.

You can google a bit for it, but I can assure you that you will not find anything.

Glad to hear that you have come to this forumn with an open mind. At least now when you make a decision, whatever that decision may be, it will be based on education and (hopefully) unbias.

Good Luck, Be sure to tell us how everything turns out.

Jamie


By the way, can you ask your friend where he/she got the information about the 9 million dollar lawsuit. I'm just curious if it's something he/she made up or if he/she was told it by someone else or by any lifewave material/emails/etc.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 | 08:46 PM
Ahh..WWSN posted as I was typing.

It seems like the travelogia lawsuit is probably what your friend was thinking of, but as you can see from WWSN's post, it was specifically against him and his website rather then this message board. Also, it didn't actually have anything to do with lifewave.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 | 10:55 AM
Lisa

Don't forget, by posting on this forum, you are now one of "you guys".

Welcome.
EDHUK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 | 10:09 PM
Four months ago LifeWave promised studies would be published in respectable science journals.

January 22nd 2006

Four months PLUS and no sight of any studies.

Still think the patches are real?

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hcmomof4
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 | 01:52 AM
Well, I'll always believe the patches are real. It's the effect of them that's dubious...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 | 06:39 PM
Would you buy a system that breaks the barriers of current scientific knowledge from a man who doesn't know that electricity travels from negative TO positive?

Would you?
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Announcer
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 | 03:19 PM
http://www.breederscup.com/content.aspxtype=news&id=16238

look at frames 5 and 6 of the photo gallery so you can see this 'in the flesh'!

This is HUGE news in the horseracing world.
Announcer
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 | 03:23 PM
url correction:

http://www.breederscup.com/content.aspx?type=news&id=16238
Announcer
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 | 03:29 PM
The horse in the article above, was the winner in the Two Year Old race in the Breeder's Cup last week, the most prestigious race in north America, if not the world. Odds are he will now be the favorite for the Kentucky Derby. See him during training wearing the patches on his chest, the equivalent of Lung 1 in humans. This is now out in the open and will surely be to the horse racing world the same as David Beckham photographed wearing the patches in the football world. Now, if I were a betting man . . .
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 | 04:28 PM
Announcer,

You do get excited very easily.

What has this horse with two sticky patches on it got to do with anything at all?

Moments before the race the jocky rubbed the horses left ear.

Didn't it win because the jocky pressed a pressure point?

There was a volvo in the car park with a lucky charm in the left rear window. Maybe that did it!

The David Beckham thing died a death, especially as the team didn't do too well. Beckham may be highly thought of in some areas (not in his own home land!)

So, basically, you wait till a person or animal has a success, check to see if they are wearing patches and say how amazing. Proof the patches work!

And for all the other thousands of winners this week?

Keep trying, you do at least bring us a degree of entertainment value!

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 | 10:38 AM
Is everyone enjoying reading the flood of published studies in reputable scientific journals promised for January 2006?

Maybe it's next January, or the one after that?

Ludicrous doesn't even come close!

Duh.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 | 04:22 PM
January came and January went.

Not a single sighting of a bona fide published study as promised by LifeWavers many months ago.

Is there anyone out there who isn't finally getting the strong stench of SCAM?

Anybody?

I think at this stage of the proceedings, if you insist on deluding yourself that David Schmidt has invented a miracle of science, you thoroughly deserve to be ripped off.

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Announcer
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 | 09:20 AM
More entertainment for you EDHUK:

http://performantsystems.com/Lifewave_Lakers_Feb1.wmv

Enjoy!!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 | 11:19 AM
Announcer

1. What is your point?

2. Why do you ONLY post here when you think you have something of staggering importance to share?

3. Where are the scientific studies promised for January 2006?

Yes, Announcer, you continue to be most entertaining. I, for one, am grateful.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 | 11:20 AM
Announcer,

PS Why were both patches in your clip white?

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Energy
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 | 12:14 PM
Actually, if you look closer at the player shooting the free throws you will find that he is wearing both a white and tan patch. And they are positioned where they suppose to be.

Cool clip!
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