The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 | 06:47 AM
CMG

Placebo power, absolutely!

We've made many references to the power of placebo on this forum. I mentioned the research study in the USA where subjects achieved amazing jaw pain relief only to find out they were receiving a saline drip!

Prostate problems and Saw Palmetto have been in the news recently with Doctors finding out they might just as well give their patients a placebo because it gave the same "subjective" relief.

Now we are hearing that joint pain products might not be all they are cracked up to be.

What's the difference between these items and LifeWave patches?

The LifeWave wealth building money machine. MLM sales that claim to bring wealth into your household, providing of course you can convince enough people to join your line so that you get your kickbacks.

As we have stated many, many times on this forum, there will come a time when a great number of people will feel both embarrassment and anger at having been duped. They will also experience the ultimate frustration at not being able to confront the "inventor" of their dream. He will be far away living his dream with their money.

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Bill Nott
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 | 11:19 AM
I cut and pasted this from the link thet you provided Joel.. It shows results of three groups that were tested... a placebo group , a control group , and a test group... the test grope being the ones that used the real patches %100 of the time. Now , while it seems that there was indeed a placbo effect taking place within the placebo group... how do you explain the rest of the data ???

[0206] Based on the data collected, it is evident that there are several distinct differences in athletic performance between the three groups. With respect to the simple averaging of performance numbers, it is not unusual that all three groups experienced an increase in strength endurance given the nature of the test (athletes were in a training session for the upcoming football season). With respect to the Placebo group, a case could be made that there was indeed a "Placebo Effect" that took place; athletes that wore the patch product thought that they had the real technology so hence they made more of an effort to perform. Given the data of the average group performance improvement of the Placebo group of 13.8% (as compared to 8.9% in the Control group), this would be a reasonable spread in terms of attainable improvements from the baseline day to the comparative day. With respect to the Test group, there was indeed a significant effect of the test dermal patch on athletic performance; athletes that wore the patch product experienced an average improvement of 43.2% in strength performance. The spreads in average performance numbers between the three groups is significant and would tend to indicate that the test dermal patch played an important role in improving strength endurance in the test group.

[0207] Another indicator that the test dermal patch was having a significant effect on athletic stamina is evidenced in the Table. In all three groups, Applicants found that the majority of the athletes improved in performance; however, the Control group and Placebo group showed nearly identical percentages of athletes that improved, with 70% of the Control group and 62.5% of the Placebo group. By comparison in the Test group, Applicants found that 85.7% of the participants experienced an improvement in performance. Given that the Test group had the highest percentage of members who recorded an improvement in performance, with 85.7% of the members demonstrating an improvement, and that the average improvement was significantly higher than the other two groups (43.2%) this would again indicate that the test dermal patch was having a beneficial effect on athletic performance.

[0208] Another important indicator with respect to examining that the test dermal patch was having a beneficial effect on athletic performance is found when looking at only those individuals who increased in performance or only those individuals who decreased in performance. In the Control group, Applicants found that, of those individuals who did show an improvement, the average gain was 19.7%. In the Placebo group, Applicants found that, of those individuals who did show an improvement, the average gain was close to the Control group at 30.8%. In the Test group, Applicants found that, of those individuals who did show an improvement, the average gain was more than triple the Control group and double the Placebo group at 63.8%. This information would indicate that the test dermal patch was having a beneficial effect on strength endurance. This improvement is dramatic in that the individuals tested had only used the test dermal patch for 10 minutes prior to the test....

Hmmmmm

ps. EDHUK.. would you be so kind as to give me a shout at my e-mail add.. i have a question for ya... .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 | 11:58 AM
Bill,

I think the problem with such data is its source.

Did the data come from a reputable source? A properly designed trial with all of the correct safeguards in place?

I respectfully suggest probably not.

Since the early days of such "proof" of efficacy there has been an astonishing lack of any evidence. If the product truly performed as claimed, there would be absolutely no problem in demonstrating this. Furthermore, someone would have gladly claimed the James Randi Million bucks and easily have received the money.

No one has taken the challenge, but many have rationalized about why they withdrew their application. It really isn't rocket science. James Randi has already cleared the way for a trial. He has no say whatsoever in the awarding of the money. Proove the efficacy of the patches, receive $1 Million...easy!

Cheers,
EDHUK

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Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 | 04:36 PM
Bill,

"Now , while it seems that there was indeed a placbo effect taking place within the placebo group... how do you explain the rest of the data ???"

I do not explain the data. I simply disbelieve the data. I disbelieve it for all of the reasons that have been stated in this forum to be suspicious of the product and the people behind it, as well as my own analysis of the patent application and the LifeWave website.

I know from my professional experience that Mr. Schmidt would not be the first person to make up junk science and to present falsified or misleading study data, in order to try to obtain a patent that would lend ostensible credibility to his marketing claims. A recent court case (Purdue Pharma v. Endo Pharmaceuticals (Fed. Cir. 2006)) involved a patent applicant that presented supposed clinical test results in order to obtain a patent when in fact no such clinical data existed.

It's actually very easy to obtain a patent that way. The main statutory hurdle to obtaining a patent is that your invention must be "nonobvious" in view of the prior art. (35 United States Code Section 103(a)). It's easy to argue to the Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) that what you
hcmomof4
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 | 12:51 AM
Hey, CMG, congrats on not winning Powerball, and still grabbing your 15 minutes. I guess rich and famous would be better, but now you're already half way there...
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 | 02:20 AM
hcmomof4 said:

"Hey, CMG, congrats on not winning Powerball, and still grabbing your 15 minutes. I guess rich and famous would be better, but now you're already half way there..."

Thanks but I gotta tell ya, I've had my "fifteen minutes" so many times by now, I figure I'm well into Hour Four.
hcmomof4
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 | 02:40 AM
In my world, if I don't know about them, they didn't count!

And gosh, you don't look a minute over 3 hours 20 minutes!
Bill Nott
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 | 02:13 PM
a couple of your facts are very wrong bob.. do a little more research
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 | 02:19 PM
Bill,

Which "facts" are wrong?

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hcmomof4
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 | 04:33 PM
WWSN1 asked/commented "How many millions must they sell before they can afford to actually test them?"

What a silly question! Enough to not need to sell anymore, of course...
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 | 07:02 PM
Bill Nott said:
"a couple of your facts are very wrong bob.. do a little more research"

Bill,
Read this whole thread. Look at the WWSN website. Now tell us who had done more research on this topic than Bob?
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 05:03 AM
For all those who have been so hell bent on disproving Lifewave... this spring should prove to be very interesting.

This may , Lifewave will launch its new " facelift " patch. This patch will utilize the same type of non-transdermal technology as the energy and sleep patches. Its already being tested and receiving the same incredible results as the other patches.. though I'm sure your all scoffing and laughing at that statement... and thats fine.

It will be very interesting to see what all those who have been screaming ( placebo effect ! placebo effect ! ) are going to say when wrinkles and fine lines begin to disappear from the faces of those who use this new patch , and its been proven from outside studies that the plastic shell of the patches are non-transdermal....
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 05:10 AM
If you can loacte any professional independent clinical trials for Lifewave patches, please present them because none exist


they do exist , and will be made public soon WWSS1
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 08:34 AM
Lifewave apparently can't afford to conduct proper tests on their energy patch. So how are they able to test a "facelift patch"?

P.S. How do you measure a wrinkle?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 10:52 AM
It saddens me to see how many people allow their personal reputations to become one and the same as LifeWave's.

It's important to make statements that can be backed up with clear facts. LifeWave "speak" doesn't pass muster as fact; it never has.

Like the cop in Dragnet used to say, "Only the facts ma'm".

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 11:34 AM
Bill said:
"For all those who have been so hell bent on disproving Lifewave... this spring should prove to be very interesting."

Last fall was supposed to be interesting and nothing of any significance happened at the Lifewave convention in Vegas. Every so often some newbies show up here spewing the same old promises of soon-to-be-released studies that Lifewave never keeps. After you Bill, I'm sure there will be others. (You really should read this whole thread from the beginning. Your posts are a carbon copy of all the others.)

"If you can loacte any professional independent clinical trials for Lifewave patches, please present them because none exist
"

Exactly Bill. No self-respecting test group or university would waste their time with junk science when there is so much legitimate research to be done. If fact I'll bet there are no qualified testing organizations that have even heard of Lifewave. That's one more reason to suspect this is all a scam. If Lifewave were on the leading edge of nanotechnology, you'd think everyone would have heard of them and be beating a path to their door to study it. Instead the only people making a big deal about the "greatest new thing in sports medicine/software for the body,etc." are the people who sell it and a few users.

Besides, if Lifewave is not going to finance the testing of their own product for their own benefit, why would an independent organization do it for them?
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 03:18 PM
A key thing to remember here is that this science and technology is brand new... its exploring in an area that no one has gone before. You cant expect it to be proven ( except from the results of many users , which dosent seem to be enough ) overnight because no one..,, not even other top doctors and scientists understand it fully... so of coarse its going to draw a GREAT deal of criticism..

like Ive stated many times.. time will tell about all of this... but think about this analogy... if you took a cell phone back 100 years ago and tried to explain what it was and what it did ... they would have locked you up in the loony Bin and thrown away the key because even to the top scientists of that day.. it would have been to far fetched for them to believe...they would have thrown everything they had at you proving that it couldent be done.. it would have taken an incredibly open minded person back than to actually sit down and listen to the science involved within that cell phone because that type of technology would be so foreign and incredible to them.

Remember... that which seems to far fetched and unbelievable now will be common place in 20 years...... the progress of science has always worked that way.... simple things can be proven or explained quickly... ground breaking new discoveries take more time to be fully understood and proven... but it will come soon enough.......
Charybdis
in Hell
 Member
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 03:40 PM
Hm, after all this time there's still no Nobel prize for this. You'd think somebody would be out there promoting this 'cutting edge' science to the prize committee. I mean, think of the jump in sales with 'Noble Prize Winner' slapped on the packaging. Something this fantastically wonderful would be a sure thing.

Of course, maybe it's just a fraud.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 03:46 PM
Bill Nott,

I'm so sorry to see you write this kind of reply straight from the LifeWave website. I know you can do better than that.

The field of nanotechnology is not brand new. It has been around for a while. It's certainly in its infancy.

Those actually working in the real field of nanotechnology (as opposed to David Schmidt's made up invention) will tell you that the LifeWave idea is hogwash, pure and simple. It cannot stand up to any kind of scientific scrutiny.

As an exercise, I challenge you to write to anyone in the world who works in this field and ask them to give an opinion on the concept of a nanotechnology non-transdermal patch system that uses glucose and glycerin as its ONLY contents.

We know this to be true because the very study you have referred to as "prooving" the non-transdermal nature of the patches, also states that the contents are brown patch (glucose) and white patch (Glycerin). Those are the ONLY contents because if there was more in the patches the study would be NULL and VOID.

I am so disappointed that you have swallowed this drivel hook line and sinker and are now appearing to be an "expert" yourself on something that does not exist.

Every "fact" you have posted comes from the LifeWave book of knowledge. We have all looked at it because we all wanted to know about this product. If it was genuine, I'm sure I, like millions of others, would be using it.

LifeWave is so blatantly a scam, it's not even funny. Unfortunately, people like you fall for it and proceed to preach as a convert.

It's so stunningly sad, I can say no more.

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Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 03:46 PM
the nobel prize is not something thats won vernight.. no matter how incredible something may be.. it takes a very long time.
Charybdis
in Hell
 Member
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 03:59 PM
Sadly Edhuk, Bill is one of those people who will fade away and pretend none of this ever happened. There is no accountability here, and there likely never will be even for David Schmidt, the fraudster leading this scam.

It all boils down to a simple question - Why are there no certifiable, scientific tests asserting the veracity of these claims? There has been more than enough time to carry out these tests and publish the results. The sad fact is, we're expected to believe this bullshit with nothing to back it up, and pay outrageous prices for a product that has never been shown to work.

And they wonder why people doubt them.
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 04:05 PM
I'm sorry you feel that way Ed...... one day in the not to distant future , i hope you will be man enough to step up and apologize to me and admit you were wrong about all of this.... as i will do the same to you if the tables are turned that way...

I use the same analogy's they use because they are the truth.. but you cant make the blind see... It still blows my mind that in a world of infinite possibilities in which we live , you all know just what is and is not possible... can you at least see that ?? that you all would have been on the sides of.. " the world is flat.. the earth is the center of the universe... human flight is impossible !!!!.. It took a few very brave souls a very long time to prove all of these things were true and possible... but they WERE proven...... as this will be...

So keep up with all the posts and grinding me under your heels... I get great laughs from them.......

step right up.. step right up... whos next to burn me at the stake ?? ??

light on the BBQ sauce please.......
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 04:50 PM
Bill,

I am also sorry you feel compelled to blindly defend Lifewave. Please realize you cannot use "truth by association" to predict Lifewave will eventually be vindicated.

Yes, many things once thought crazy were eventually proven correct but that does not mean every claim will be. Only those things that are true will gain that distinction. To forget all the things that are STILL thought to be crazy ideas is just selective reasoning.

Let Lifewave prove themselves before taking their side. Don't worry, if they really are legitimate, they will have no trouble doing so.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 05:03 PM
Bill,
Who is Ed?

The whole point is that if normal studies had been conducted, peer reviewed, published in bona fide publications and had all concluded that the patches did exactly as claimed, we would all applaud David Schmidt and give him the kudos he would so richly deserve.

Following these publications the world would beat a pathway to his door to discuss thousands of ways that his invention could improve the health of every man woman and child on the face of the earth.

That has not, and will not happen because there is NO PRODUCT TO TEST.

There are no "brave souls" on the frontiers of science. There is a businessman waiting to go to court to settle whether or not he gets to pay a previous business partner $8 Million.

http://thesurfboard.net/download/sscomplaint.htm

You have decided to throw your hat in with LifeWave and are proclaiming from the rooftops that their product is genuine and performs as claimed. You are accountable just as if you were an employee of LifeWave.

It will give me absolutley NO PLEASURE whatsoever to read that Schmidt's operation has been closed down and to know that you will be at home relising you were had. I may achieve a modicum of pleasure if I read that DS and a few of his top cronies get some jail time. But, what the heck, it'll probably be Martha Stewart type jail time!

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Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 05:05 PM
Thanks Al.. that was a one of the better if not best replies ive had thus far.

Your right.. not every great claim is or will be provin right...

Im sided with Lifewave because for now,, the proof for me is a personal one.... from my personal results and of those closest to me... as for the proof for the mases.... that is still to come... for yea or nay.........
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 05:30 PM
Sorry i shortend your name EDHUK...

and im sorry you decided to turn a sharper edge on what was a once freindly differances of opion...

If there are any truths to the allegations in the link you provided, and I'm not saying there are not , there very well could be some bad management decisions... and again much of that could be falsified... there is always two sides to every story.. the courts final ruling will tell. I trust you will be keeping a close eye on that for all of us. But be that as it may... there is nothing in that document that disproves that the actual science behind lifewave works or does not work...

That's like saying that if Thomas Edison was found to be a mass murderer,, than his light bulb doest work... duh.. flip the switch....

Look at some of the court battles Bill Gates went through... he has been taken to court many times from some very angry people who felt robbed and cheated by him... does that mean that Windows doesent work ??? Hit the power button on your pc.... duhhhh
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 05:44 PM
Bill,

The link

http://thesurfboard.net/download/sscomplaint.htm

and a whole lot more can be found at Bob's WWSN site.

http://www.worldwidescam.com/

EDH UK
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 | 06:41 PM
well i guess only time will tell now will it not oh wise one...
hcmomof4
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 | 12:11 AM
Actually, I'm starting to think that time may win, since many of us may be dead of old age before the results of the independant clinical studies make their grand appearance.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 | 09:20 AM
Wow, good dirt Bob! Let's hope they hold on at least until this thread reaches the 2000 mark.
Bill Nott
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 | 02:02 PM
watching and waiting............
Bill Nott
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 | 03:23 PM
why do you feel the need to insult my name Bob for apples ?? how very small of you...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 | 04:40 PM
While we all watch and wait, David Schmidt continues to rake in the cash.

LifeWave LLC benefits every day from selling plastic circles containing glucose and glycerin (according to LifeWave's own website information.) Total cost of production for 15 of each? Maybe a dollar or two.

As if the insult of foisting these placebo patches onto the public wasn't enough, it now looks more likely that Schmidt didn't even come up with the idea for the scam himself.

I reckon if you're going to scam people, you should at least have the decency to "invent" your own scam! Presumably Schmidt isn't quite that "inventive" after all.

It's interesting that having been "sensitised" to scams, many other "opportunities" on late night TV have the look of scam written all over them!

Who out there really believes that Kevin Trudeau has the answers to cures "They" don't want you to know about?

http://www.naturalcures.com/?gclid=CISsv9L0voMCFSIwNAodexVzrQ

Apparently many people do. Not as many are buying his book now, hence the half off sale. But there he is, on tv, running his commercial endlessly; looking quite the expert.

I suppose some people have the ability to CONvince others that what they have to sell is well worth the money.

David Schmidt seems to have done quite well, and according to Bob from WWSN he will eventually only have to pay a paltry sum for his fakery.

Not a bad return on the outlay.

Ethics, morals? It's just "business" right?

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MARV
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 | 12:06 AM
Well, obviously if someone wants to waste money due to personal belief, then I have no problem with that. It's their money. I do have a problem with David Schmidt though. I have something personal with him.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 | 01:55 AM
Hey, forget the clinical studies. I'd be happy with any of the following anectodal evidence.

From Dave Schmidt's own patent application, he says that LifeWave pages increase strength by 15% and stamina by 20%. Let's see now. Suppose you took the last place finisher at the 2005 NCAA outdoor men's 1500 meter race. That would be Stephen Pifer of Colorado, who ran a respectable 3:47. If he were to put on a LifeWave honey patch before the race, however, his stamina would be increased by 20%, thus cutting 20% off his race time. That would decrease his time to 3:06, thus obliterating the previous world record of 3:26 held by Hicham El Guerrouji of Morroco.

Or let's talk about a 15% strength increase. That would give the second place finisher in the 2005 NCAA shotput (Sheldon Battle, who put 18.87 meters) a new put of 23.34 meters, enough to eclipse the existing world record of 23.12 meters held by Randy Barnes of the U.S.

A respectable 27 foot longer jumper would suddenly be jumping 31 feet, thus obliterating that world record.

A respectable 17 foot pole vaulter would suddenly be jumping 19 feet 6 inches (still not enough to catch Sergei Bubka who has jumped a phenomenal 20 feet plus; but then Bubka could jump a stratospheric 23 feet if he stuck a patch on himself.)

Show me ANY competitive track and field athlete who suddenly increases his personal best by 15-20% by wearing a LifeWave patch. That should be pretty easy to demonstrate for all of you true believers out there. THAT I would like to see, placebo effect or no. If you could demonstrate and document that, with even one athlete, you'd sell a gazillion patches overnight.

Well, maybe Dave Schmidt's nanotechnology only works in environments in which the results can't be measured by objective standards like race times, distances thrown, and heights jumped. Maybe those swirling thermomagnetic vortex energy fields completely dissipiate in the vicinity of stopwatches and tape measures for some mysterious reason. If only we could find a way to reverse the tachyon polarities in those field-disrupting stop watches . . .
Harmony 101
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 12:15 PM
Where's Bob's site. It seems to down or gone.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 02:54 PM
Harmony 101 (or whoever you are patchwise)

Perhaps you already know why WWSN is temporarily down?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 04:21 PM
Harmony 101

very witty!

http://www.lightbodypath.org/harmonypatch.html

I presume you'll be working on shutting down the Hoax Forum next.

Wouldn't want people thinking LifeWave sells a scam product would we?

Free speech? Right!

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Harmony 101
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 05:31 PM
Bob, please you've been in attack mode since you started your crusade against Lifewave!

If that ain't calling the kettle black!

While you figh through your legal issues, Lifewave pushes on. As they should be doing.
Bill Nott
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 06:16 PM
well said harmony....

poor poor bob... sniff sniff....
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 06:27 PM
Bill,

I know you are better than just being a mirror for some poor LifeWave distributor.

Let's have some original thoughts here, please.

Cheers,
EDH UK
Harmony 101
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 06:28 PM
"Harmony 101

very witty!

http://www.lightbodypath.org/harmonypatch.html

I presume you'll be working on shutting down the Hoax Forum next.

Wouldn't want people thinking LifeWave sells a scam product would we?

Free speech? Right!

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Mr. Ed, that's poor detective work. As The Donald would say "You're Fired!"
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 07:39 PM
Keep up the fight WWSN1. We're behind you.

This latest effort does nothing to repair Lifewave's well tarnished image. If they were a legitimate company they would get their lawyers to issue a cease and desist order and it would all be public. But they are doing it behind closed doors which is Lifewave's style: Stay under the radar. Avoid any publicity lest thinking people hear about it and start to question the fesibility of a mysterious resonant energy transfer patch using unknown principles invented by an unknown 2 year business diploma grad with no research facilities sold via MLM.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 07:45 PM
Harmony 101

Wrong on all accounts.
My name is NOT ed.

The link to Harmonypatch was not implying you were that person. It was just illustrating that you already knew that Network Solutions had taken the easy option and that you were part of the LifeWave mass hysteria.

You are as pathetic as the placebo patch DS continues to scam the public with.

I have Zero respect for your kind. As for "The Donald"...he gives ducks a bad name.

Chump

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Harmony 101
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 08:48 PM
Mr. Ed (hey Wilbur)...did I cause a rise or managed to raise your mainge (sp)?
jwb671
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 09:08 PM
Been away from this site for a few months...

Good to see Bob and the crew are keeping the fight up against this disgusting fraud.

I've read the study presented in china and it is a piece of fiction...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 09:16 PM
Harmony 101

We all thank you for expressing yourself so well on the subject at hand: LifeWave LLC and their claim to have "Invented" an amazing two patch system.

We have read in your precise explanations how the patches work, and where the general public can read studies that prove the efficacy of the patches.

You have kindly given the names of the studies, and the Scientific Publications reporting these peer revieved works.

Having read your copious explanations, the general reader can be in little doubt that David Schmidt, businessman, is truly a genius scientific inventor of a calibre not equalled in the last 100 years.

Furthermore, the general reader can now feel very comfortable, based on your clear insights into the LifeWave LLC product, to put their hands into their wallets to hand over $100 or so a month for a box of Fifteen Brown (glucose) patches and Fifteen White (glycerin) patches that will indeed perform precisely as claimed.

This I know, because your depth and level of pure sincerity have gushed throughout your carefully chosen words that you deem worthy of your esteemed audience.

How irritating of me, and trite, to suggest that you could be anything less than a member of the well respected LifeWave altruistic society for the benefit of furthering healthy mankind.

I am truly honored to have shared these few inches of forum space.

Now, with my head humbly bowed, I will leave the room walking backwards slowly realizing how close I came to being in the presence of true greatness.

Your humble servant.

:o)
hcmomof4
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 09:22 PM
Since it hasn't seemed to be WWSN1's job to shut down LifeWave, merely point out the discrepancies between reality and the patches, and marketing thereof, it kinda makes one wonder why LifeWave has reacted so strongly. WWSN1 isn't out picketing in public places, or running discrediting newspaper ads, just posting his opinion, and sometimes the results of his investigations/inquiries at his own website, and in response to open conversation in forums.

The phrase "[DS] doth protest too much, methinks." comes to mind...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 09:31 PM
For those who wish to bathe in the greatness of Harmony 101 one more time, here is an instant replay.

Caution: These words may cause brain damage in those with an insufficient IQ.

Harmony 101
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 11:15 AM
"Where's Bob's site. It seems to down or gone."

Harmony 101
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 04:31 PM
"Bob, please you've been in attack mode since you started your crusade against Lifewave!

If that ain't calling the kettle black!

While you figh through your legal issues, Lifewave pushes on. As they should be doing."

Harmony 101
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 05:28 PM

"Mr. Ed, that's poor detective work. As The Donald would say "You're Fired!"

Harmony 101
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 | 07:48 PM
"Mr. Ed (hey Wilbur)...did I cause a rise or managed to raise your mainge (sp)? "

Yes, folks, it's all there.

If you didn't or couldn't comprehend these pearls of wisdom, may I respectfully suggest you drink a glass of water as your hydration status is obviously not adequate.

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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 | 06:21 PM
Gee, you'd think that LifeWave, being the legitimate, ethical company they are, would simply produce the scientific evidence which demonstrates that their product does what they claim it does. I mean, that would permanently shut up all their critics, right?

Instead of doing the one thing that would PROVE their claims and silence their critics, they instead take quasi-legal steps to shut down the legitimate questioning of their product. Hmmm, why, it almost makes a person think that LifeWave patches don't do what their manufacturer says they do.

By the way, aren't we now overdue for the "proof" LifeWave promised us they would produce? Hmmm.
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 | 06:35 PM
so.. wheres the proof that they DONT work.. legitimate scientific proof that the patches do not work...

HMMMMMMMM
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 | 06:51 PM
CMG,

We'll all die of old age waiting! Or, at the very least get a little moldy!

You are right, it would be too easy to prove efficacy, if the product was genuine; hence ZERO verifiable evidence.

We get the usual claims of evidence from LifeWavers; the college studies etc. but nothing REAL.

So, here we are in March 2006 and it appears that in the good old USA a company with a scam product can easily convince a Domain Registration Company to drop someone's Domain name/hosting just because it's the easy option.

No questions about it being legal, or ethical. Well, on a personal note, I know I won't be using that particular company again. Won't make a jot of difference to them, but it might make me feel like I've done something.

Where does it all stop? Will LifeWave take aim at this website? Shall we suddenly find The Museum of Hoaxes is "down"?

When do we get to the "knock on the door"?

I naively thought free speech was something special in the USA. I was obviously wrong.

Oh, sure, DS will claim his pristine character has been slandered. How is it possible to slander a con man; the only thing DS has proved he's really good at?

USA Land of the ****

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 | 06:53 PM
Bill Nott,

Read the forum Bill...please.

EDH UK
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 | 06:56 PM
Bill,

The claim "you can't prove a negative" is often used as a shorthand in discussions to refer to the difficulty of gathering experimental evidence to "prove" that something does not exist. Proving that a phenomenon isn't real takes a lot more time and effort than it takes to demonstrate it. This is especially true when the definition of the phenomenon can be changed at will by its believers. Its very difficult to prove the general non-existence of a phenomenon, and this difficulty is used by believers of many kinds of phenomena to give the appearance of credibility to their beliefs.

Courtesy:
http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/"You_Can't_Prove_a_Negative";

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 | 07:03 PM
Bill,

I just thought very hard, and my computer turned off.

Prove it didn't.

:o)
Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 | 08:26 PM
If that really did happen Dave ,and you had " mind powers " thats awesome ! but i wouldent want to go around trying to disprove it... Lifes far to short to waste on negative efforts....
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 12:56 AM
Bill Nott said:

"so.. wheres the proof that they DONT work.. legitimate scientific proof that the patches do not work...

"HMMMMMMMM"

Bill, where's the scientific proof that pigs can't fly? Remember, if you test all pigs on Earth but miss a single one, you haven't proven beyond all doubt that it's absolutely impossible for a pig to fly. Therefore, in the spirit of LifeWave's incredible claims, I maintain that pigs CAN fly. OK, it's now your job to prove me wrong. Up for it?

Get the picture here? This is why we do not have to prove that LifeWave doesn't work. It's up to LifeWave's supporters to prove that they DO work. So far, the silence on that front has been deafening. Why, it's almost as if they really DON'T work and you guys just can't back up your claims. Nah, that can't be it, right?

I mean, who'd be stupid enough to pay $100 (or whatever the current price is) for a handful of little plastic patches that couldn't possibly cost more than a few cents each to manufacture if they didn't have inscrutable powers? Why, you'd have to be a MAJOR chump to fall for something like that!
Bill Nott
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 01:12 AM
lolol... media guy , your spinnin your wheels but really your not going anywhere........

LifeWave is a fairly young company , but already 20,000 people know that what they are experiencing is real... and that number is just going to keep growing.. why ?? because its not in our heads..

Its real..........
hcmomof4
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 01:51 AM
Bill, if 20,000 people are experiencing a real result, certainly one-forth of them could be used for scientific studies.

Have you ever heard of the Nigerian scam? Special Agent James Caldwell, of the Secret Service financial crimes division said of it, "We have confirmed losses just in the United States of over $100 million in the last 15 months" . Does that prove that the poor Nigerian business man/deposed royalty/widow who can't get her husband's assets is real? Obviously an incredible number of people do...

Even more suspicious than not having studies done and results published, is that LifeWave believers don't seem to ever question why there haven't been any. Kinda makes me wonder just what is in those patches...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 | 10:24 AM
Bill Nott

"Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 | 07:26 PM
If that really did happen Dave ,and you had " mind powers " thats awesome ! but i wouldent want to go around trying to disprove it... Lifes far to short to waste on negative efforts.... "

Now you're confusing me Bill.

Didn't you just post this?

Bill Nott
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 | 05:35 PM
"so.. wheres the proof that they DONT work.. legitimate scientific proof that the patches do not work...

HMMMMMMMM "

So, is life too short to "waste on negative efforts" or not?

You can't have it both ways Bill.

Cheers,
EDH UK
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