The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Nanoman
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 | 07:19 PM
EDHUK, Captain AL, and WWSN,

Happy Holidays to all of you. I found it quite humerous that you were still posting on Christmas day. Likely tells us all a lot about you!!

Captain AL, Sorry I didn't have time to hook up with you while I was in Alberta over the holidays. I was busy spending time with family. If I am around in the future I would like to sit down for a cup of coffee and chat about Lifewave.

I can't wait to ring in the New Year with Lifewave still going strong!! Here's to a prosperous 2006!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 | 07:58 PM
Nanoman.

You know how it is. I get paid such huge sums of money from all those corporations who are worried about your success!

I suppose it never crossed your tiny mind that Christmas Day is not relevant to everyone on the planet!

Keep gloating Nanoman, your fall will be even more sweet!

You plonker

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Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 | 09:46 PM
Ya know nanoman. Not all of us celebrate Christmas. In fact, there are actually many people in the world, including some right on this forumn, that are not Christians at all *gasp*.

Don't believe me nanoman? Go to a Chinese resteraunt next Christmas.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 | 10:09 PM
Nanoman,

Razela is right. Not everyone celebrates Christmas. In fact some of us, like me, had to work that day. Luckily I didn't have much to do so I had time to browse our favorite website, the Museum of Hoaxes. Did you also consider maybe some people got a new computer for Christmas and chose to try it out here?

Yes, next time your're in Alberta let me know and we'll try to have that coffee.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 | 12:17 AM
Nanoman said:

"EDHUK, Captain AL, and WWSN,

"Happy Holidays to all of you. I found it quite humerous that you were still posting on Christmas day. Likely tells us all a lot about you!!"

Gee, I feel left out. I was here on Christmas, too, I think.

So, Nanoman, what does it "tell us" about those of us who were here on 12/25? Are you trying to imply that we don't have families to visit or something? Not only is that inaccurate, but what would it have to do with LifeWave criticism?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 | 10:14 AM
nanoman

"Happy Holidays to all of you. I found it quite humerous that you were still posting on Christmas day. Likely tells us all a lot about you!!"

Your statement also tells us a great deal about you.

Your inability to think outside the box explains why you have been so effortlessly SCAMMED by David Schmidt and his worthless placebo glucose and glycerin patches!

Never mind. If you wait around long enough, something else will crop up that you can comment on, as though it was an original thought from your box!

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Nanoman
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 | 10:33 AM
EDHUK (bubble boy),

I find it very humerous that you are telling me that I can't think outside the box!! Wake up man!! The fact is that you can't see outside of the little bubble you live in as you refuse to try the product. Until then I really can't get through to you in your little bubble world. Only those that can see outside the box are willing to try the patches. I'm sorry that you are missing out on Lifewave and apparently missing out on celebrating Christmas.
John
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 | 12:35 PM
I haven't tried the patches but a few members of my family have, all believe they work. I have always been a sceptic in these matters believing the placebo effect was what made them work. What has me wondering is the positive results that a vet had using the patches on animals, you just can't fool a dog or horse with a placebo.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 | 01:42 PM
Nanoman

How SAD that you have nothing better to do on NewYears Eve than to post here! Your previous moronic comment about Christmas notwithstanding.

People who claim to believe in the efficacy of the patches (and who happen to sell the product as well) fall under two categories.

1 They genuinely have been sucked in by the anecdotal information and have purchased the patches and have experienced an effect (placebo and, yes in the individuals case, real)

2 They know this is a scam but see a great opportunity, while it lasts , to make money.

Ripping people off doesn't bother some folks, does it?

Your last post even says you are sorry I am missing out on celebrating Christmas! Why?

I'm beginning to think you are in your early teens, if that, and may have to ask permission to use the computer!

DUH

I can wait patiently for your bubble to burst. It will make a splendid sight!

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 | 02:54 PM
John asks:
"What has me wondering is the positive results that a vet had using the patches on animals, you just can't fool a dog or horse with a placebo."

Perhaps a dog or a horse can't be fooled by a placebo but the human doing the evaluation can certainly be fooled in their recording and interpretation of the data, especially when they are looking for a particular result. Did they design the test to eliminate all other factors? Plus, how do you know if the animal is giving it their best effort? In that respect, it is even more important to use as many test subjects as possible in a properly designed study. As I recall, the results of animal use of Lifewave patches are on small numbers or individuals. This makes the results no better than humans who say, "I really feel more energetic!"

Having said all that, I wonder about the idea of animals not being susceptible to placebos. For example, race horses are often attended to by veterinarians. If the horse has had previous experience feeling pain, or some other ailment, and that pain or ailment has been cured by the visiting vet, then the horse may learn to associate the experience of the vet's examination and treatment with pain relief. That might make placebo treatment work with that horse.

In the same way, is it conceivable the act of going through testing with Lifewave patches will fool the horse into believing it should now perform better? After all, it's usually vets who make these claims and they would probably do some kind of examination as part of the testing. Just food for thought.
Nanoman
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 | 04:54 PM
Bubble Boy,

I am not a teenager, I am not surrounded by a bubble, I do know the real meaning of Christmas, I am going to a party tonight with lots of friends, and I guess I am # 1 for your list as I have seen first hand what the patches can do.

Your bubble will simply never pop because you are not exposed to the real world. You are protected by your narrowmindedness and not wanting any change.

I look forward to all the exciting things that Lifewave will bring in the New Year!! Stand by.

You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. You would be a great distrubutor. Why don't you join the wave for the New Year. Make it your resolution!! 😊
Nanoman
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 | 05:02 PM
Captain Al,

I appreciate your insights onto how animals can be exposed to a placebo effect. I agree that if they think that something out of the oridinary is happening to them then they may respond differently and perform better (as in a race horse).

How do you explain the results of an old dog that moves about 50 feet in a day because of arthritis, etc. The dog has behaved like this for 6 months. Then after applying patches the dog runs around like a puppy for 2 days. (they were applied with tape while dog was sleeping).

This was repeated two times over a 3 week span and similar behavior resulted. I guess you would just call this a coincidence or oh yes a placebo or just in the mind because that is what the mind wanted to see.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 | 01:13 AM
Nanoman said:

"Your bubble will simply never pop because you are not exposed to the real world. You are protected by your narrowmindedness and not wanting any change."

Golly, Nanoman, you're SO openminded and everything. Tell you what, why don't you explain to we closedminded skeptics how the patches work? See, we're closed to believing in things which violate the known laws of physics and which seem merely to separate people from their money. Of course, that's just our ignorance talking.

You, obviously, understand the mystical forces behind LifeWave. Why don't you grace us with your wisdom and explain the process behind them? That way, we, too, can be openminded like you.

I can't wait to learn as I sit at the feet of the Enlightened Master. Should I take notes?
Pabl
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 | 09:36 AM
Nanoman,

what would you predict if a female spreinter that usually runs the 100 in 11.50 seconds uses the patch. If her performance increases by 20%, then she would be faster than the fastest man ever.

Please comment
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 | 10:22 AM
Nanoman,

It's easy to throw out anecdotal stories about miraculous results. Surely you've got more respect for our intelligence than that. How can you expect us to just buy some tall tale without any evidence to back it up.

Did you witness these events?
Was it your dog or that of someother Lifewave dealer?
Do you know for a fact this dog had arthritis?
Was this story written up for a scientific journal?
Could the alleged results be repeated on another dog or a person?
How did they know where to place the patches on a dog?
If arthritis is a condition of the joints how can instructing cells to burn more fat cure it?

But since you insist I explain it, how about this:

Is it inconceivable that for demonstration purposes, someone could train a dog to hobble around (like it had say, arthritis) and then on command run around like a puppy? I'm not saying this is what happened, but it could be. That's where proper scientific testing comes in. We need to eliminate that possibility, unless you are naive enough to believe no one would ever try to deceive you.

I really don't need to explain anything, in fact I'll wait for you to do that. If stories like this were true, these patches would be spreading like wildfire and be on all the news broadcasts. Every medical establishment on the planet would tripping over themselves to study them. Why is it I've still never heard of them outside this forum and Worldwide Scam Network?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 | 10:58 AM
nanoman

Think back a few years to your childhood.

Father Christmas came in the night and the next day you found lots of presents he put there just for you.

Came a time when some of your friends started to say there was no such thing. Your parents put the presents there.

Can you still remember the moment when you realized they were right?

GET READY for LifeWave LLC, not me, to give you a similar experience.

You'll survive.

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Rolan
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 | 01:26 PM
Nanoman, do you ever answer anyone here? Try this one, have you tried my "poop" method yet?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 | 03:59 PM
Rolan

If the poop was "special" and could ONLY be obtained via MLM, Nanoman might be interested.

No money in it = no interest!

Not too transparent eh?
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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 12:26 AM
EDHUK said:

"If the poop was "special" and could ONLY be obtained via MLM, Nanoman might be interested.

"No money in it = no interest!"

Silly, silly Edhuk. How closed your mind is to the possibilities out there. Nanoman has obviously cornered the market on dog poop and will be releasing it to the world just as soon as his MLM network is finalized. He's a benefactor, I tell you.

Simultaneous with his release of his miracle dog poop cure-all will be his explanation of how LifeWave works--you know, like I asked him for a week or so ago.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 12:15 PM
It's in Lifewave's best interest to keep out of the mainstream media. The more people who hear about it, the more chance there is that some of them will be real scientists and medical researchers. They might expose the scam by doing a real unbiased, double blind study. It would take a lot to make that happen though since real scientists will instantly recognize Lifewave's literature as being total BS and consider it not worth the time.

David Schmidt is walking a fine line between maximizing his customer base and keeping under the radar of real scientific and consumer protection agencies. We're waiting to see if greed will cause him to stick his neck out too far and blow his cover.
Nanoman
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 02:24 PM
I'll try to answer all of the questions given to me.

1. CMG - The patches work through a process of resonant energy transfer. This is the same process that occurs when a tuning fork is struck and another close by tuning fork picks up the frequency and begins to vibrate. The patches placed on acupoints on the body are programmed at a certain frequency that your cells recognize. The specific frequencies of the molecules in the patch, through a process of resonant energy transfer, "duplicate" that frequency/energy/information in the energy field...and that through a process called signal induction, certain biochemical process are catalyzed.

2. PABL - my prediction of the female sprinter performance wearing patches would be that she may not see a faster time. The energy patches would not make her 20% faster. They could provide a 20% increase in stamina but this would not likely equate to much in a 10 second performance. Sprinters rely on local stores of ATP as quick energy is needed for the 10 second race. The patches work much better for endurance athletes who rely on burning fat for energy once their local stores of ATP are depleted. I would predict that a marathon runner or endurance athlete may see a 20% increase in performance.

3. Captain Al - I witnessed this with the dog with my own eyes. The dog did not belong to me or a lifewave distributor. I'm not sure what the western scientific explanation is for the old dog that cannot get up and move aroud anymore. I didn't bother calling in a PHD student to conduct an experimental design. All I know is that by placing the patches on the dog, it moved around with ease and no apparent pain. I have only heard about other testimonials about the same thing hapenning with other animals and in fact there is a study on horses which is currently in peer review by Lauren De Rock which will scientifically prove this occurs. I placed the patches on acupoints that were recommended by vetrinarians for improving leg strength and getting rid of pain in the hind quarters. The patches do much moe than provide instructions to burn fat as an energy source. They work as well as acupuncture needles for providing release of blocked energy (pain) in the body.

4. Rolan - I don't follow your "poop" theories. I really don't know what you are talking about nor do I care. It sounds like you are being sarcastic and haven't tried the patches for yourself.

5. WWSN - thanks for the great exposure of Lifewave to the media. I can't wait to have the story appear on bigger networks.
Pabl
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 03:28 PM
Thanks for your answer Nanoman,

so sprinters would not be good test subjects according to what you are saying.

What about marathon runners? According to the results from the Chicago Marathon, a male winner runs about 2:07. The top ten women run under 2:30. If any of these women run 20% faster then they would beat the 2:07 of the male winner.

And if the winner of last year marathon ran only 10% faster he would run at 1:54. beating the world record by 10 minutes.

Nanoman, I am not trying to be annoying, I just want to find out what kind of test would be one that the proponents of the patches would accept as a valid one.

Thanks
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 03:46 PM
Pabl

Looks like you posted before seeing Nanoman's reply.

I refer you back to my post on page 88

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 | 05:41 PM

"Pabl

I believe LifeWave used to boast up to 40% increase in energy. Now they say 20% increase in stamina.

In this link to a UK site the host uses the older information:

"Clinical and University studies show an average 35-40% increase in energy, performance and stamina."

http://www.softwareforthehumanbody.co.uk/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/1409?opendocument∂=2"

As you can see by the reply to your question, our "expert" does indeed state that a marathon runner would benefit by 20%. It'll make future marathons a real blast to watch!

As to the "resonant energy drivel". I continue to chuckle at this "expert's" attempts at keeping this SCAM based in some kind of scientific reality.

Real scientists in the nanotechnology field refer to LifeWave as "a load of hooey".

Again, Nanoman shows us that he is either 1. An extremely naive, gullible individual who actually believes in this drivel, or

2. Is a scam artist intent on making as much money as possible before the collapse of this scam company.

I am also looking forward to more exposure for LifeWave. There will come a point when the critical mass is reached and we can all move on to the next stupid scheme.

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Nanoman
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 03:53 PM
Pabl,

Thanks for your interest. What Lifewave shows is that most subjects will have a 30-40% increase in strength, stamina, and endurance. Whether or not this equates to a 20% increase in performance is questionable. Performance and strength are two seperate issues.

If a powerlifter was to use the patches they too would likley not notice a difference in the lower end weight they can lift. If there was a muscular endurance event then you may see a 20% increase in reps lifted.

I hope this helps
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 04:29 PM
"Whether or not this equates to a 20% increase in performance is questionable. Performance and strength are two seperate issues."

"If a powerlifter was to use the patches they too would likley not notice a difference in the lower end weight they can lift."

And the reason for buying this scam product is?

Why not look at this product...
http://www.clarus.com/index.shtml

"A quarter century of frontier research has given birth to the Q-Link, a sleek pendant that tunes your being for optimal living: More energy, less stress, greater focus, and enhanced well being."

Much more professional looking than a couple of band aids that fall off your skin, and they have 25 years of work under their belt! It's got to be real, right?

What about this product...
http://www.trivitaenergy.com/index.htm

"Doctor-formulated Energy Now!
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 04:53 PM
Nanoman,

So where did this dog come from? If you do not know the owner how do you know if the dog really has any sort of physical problem? Is there documented proof of the dog's condition? We've all heard of "miraculous" cures by faith healers and alternative medical practices but we never hear if these alleged cures are permanent. Have you done any follow up? And of course, if this is real you should have no problem finding and documenting other cases of a similar nature. You may not need these things to convince yourself but how do expect us to believe you if you don't have proof?

Another point. One peer-revieved study by one person will not scientifically anything. That is only one step in the scientific process (I'm also anxious to see who the peers are that do the reviewing). After the study we will wait to see if others can duplicate the results. But of course we must wait for the study to come out first. My guess is we will be waiting a long time.

I'm also curious about your statement: "The patches do much more than provide instructions to burn fat as an energy source."

How do you know this? Even Lifewave makes no such claims. How is it Nanoman knows this but no one else does? You have an explanation for the "fat burning". Do you have one for these other things?

About your explanation of how the patches "provide instructions to burn fat". It makes no sense at all. The "resonant energy transfer" you speak of requires a power source to maintain it. A tuning fork when struck will send out vibrations but the vibrations will quickly dissipate unless the fork is repeatedly struck. What do Lifewave patches use for a power source to maintain the energy output? From what I've seen they have no batteries. This is one of the things about Lifewave that we say violates the known laws of physics. And I haven't even got into the absurdity about the existance of acupoints yet...
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 05:08 PM
If a patch can instruct the body's cells to burn more fat, could they instead tell it to burn less fat or even shut down totally, killing the person who's wearing them? What if there is a problem during manufacturing and a batch of patches are defective? We might have athletes (or horses or dogs) dropping dead on the field.

What kind of quality control does Lifewave have to guard against defects? Are all the patches tested before being shipped?

Nanoman, do you have any liability insurance in case someone dies from wearing Lifewave patches you sold them?
Nanoman
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 05:18 PM
EDHUK said"And the reason for buying this scam product is?"

First off it is not a scam product. They work for those who actually try them!! Secondly there is a number of reasons to use the patches. They are a safe and effective training supplement that may increase performance. They also work to balance the bodies chi.

You have an amazing list of other products that you have researched. Once they are endorsed by professional athletes and supported by highly respected health care practioners, and have completed studies I would be happy to try them out. Do they have a money back gaurantee?
Nanoman
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 05:26 PM
Captain Al,

I do know the dogs owner. I did see this 3 times over a 2 week period. I have since left the owner with some patches. NOt sure if the effects will be permanent. Hopefully!!


Sorry but you will just have to take my word for it and when the horse study comes out there will be well documented proof.

All I can tell you is that the Lifewave patches do much more than they claim. I am advised not to go into further detail as obviously the FDA could shut them down by making such claims.

The power source for the resonent energy transfer that occurs is the bodies heat and/or magnetic field.

Obviously you don't believe in the magnetic field, acupuncture, chi, quantam physics or eastern chinese medicine...so I think I'm barking up the wrong tree.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 05:37 PM
I believe nanoman is "barking" but not that kind of barking.

I cannot believe he did any kind of biology, chemistry or physics while in/at school. If he did, his understanding of basic concepts is, to say the least, a little wanting.

With every word nanoman digs himself in deeper.

We wait, with great anticipation, for the horse study with "well documented proof".

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 06:12 PM
"You have an amazing list of other products that you have researched. Once they are endorsed by professional athletes and supported by highly respected health care practioners, and have completed studies I would be happy to try them out. Do they have a money back gaurantee?"

Nanoman, you are joking, right?

I just pulled the first few results off Google to illustrate the point that there are many systems for sale that claim wonderful increases in energy etc. Each of these systems has a wealth of anecdotal information, "studies" famous athletes etc. etc. to back up the claims...just like good old LifeWave.

You basic point (well really LifeWave's basic point that you repeat) is that LifeWave has a patch system that is "believed" to work. Nobody knows how, it just does! We just have to take your word for it!

Take my word for it. At the very least you will be made to look extremely foolish when this scam closes down. More seriously, you may be held accountable for the fraud being carried out on the general public.

ps I thought you decided not to directly respond to my posts having gotten ticked off by something I posted some time ago?

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Pabl
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 06:29 PM
Thanks for your answer nanoman

Bottom line, is that performance might not change, but stamina will.

Isn't that a little problematic? Performace is something that we can measure, but stamina seems to be more subjective, isn't it?
Nanoman
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 06:33 PM
Stamina can be measured in a number of ways. Muscular endurance tests, Aerobic capacity tests, blood lactate levels following performance too name a few.

As EDHUK and CMG says there are way to many "other" factors to consider when measuring ones performance.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 06:33 PM
Nanoman

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 | 04:08 PM
EDHUK,

You had some time on your hands!! Everything you quoted is exactly correct. On Aug. 23 I said that the studies would be published in 4 months time. Can you not do some simple math??

You will see what journals they appear in when they come out in the New Year. It will be a Happy New Year for all lifewavers!!

Nanoman

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 | 06:49 AM
Nice try again Bob. Now you have resorted to using my name. I won't be back. Just quit sending me your crap by email.

"I won't be back"

Nanoman is a man of his word. You can trust him when he tells you glucose and glycerin inside plastic can talk to your body...simple!

:o)
Pabl
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 06:43 PM
Thanks Nanoman,

it really helps. Blood Lactate levels and VO2 Max tests would be the way to go in your opinion if one was to conduct an experiment using the patches.

On an unrelated question, is cognitive fuctioning supposed to be affected by the patches too? Anything from focus to better memory?

Thanks again
hcmomof4
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 06:45 PM
Nanoman,
A few questions about your responses...

The patches placed on acupoints on the body are programmed at a certain frequency that your cells recognize.

How are they programmed? Will the program run in my Mac body, even if the program is for a PC?

there is a study on horses which is currently in peer review by Lauren De Rock which will scientifically prove this occurs.

Why bother with peer review when you are already certain the tests were valid?

At 1:24pm you said:
I would predict that a marathon runner or endurance athlete may see a 20% increase in performance.

But by 2:53pm you had decided:
Whether or not this equates to a 20% increase in performance is questionable.

Of course, some of us are questioning more than just that...

Performance and strength are two seperate issues.

What good is strength if I can't use it?

They work for those who actually try them!!

Unless you are one of those unfortunate, unbalance people that they don't work for. In which case it isn't the fault of the patches, but the faulty body you are trying to use them on.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 07:25 PM
Nanoman said:
"Obviously you don't believe in the magnetic field, acupuncture, chi, quantam physics or eastern chinese medicine...so I think I'm barking up the wrong tree."

This is a typical ploy used by those arguing in favor of pseudoscience. It's called "truth by association". Throw in the name of some real science, like quantam physics, along side your junk science to try and make it look legitimate.

You're right about "the magnetic field", acupuncture, chi and eastern Chinese medicine. I don't believe in them and neither does conventional science. The only people that do are the gullible and those that make money off them.

There are many references about the pseudoscience of acupuncture on the net. A really good one is by <a href="http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/acu.html">Stephen Barrett, MD</a>. He operates <a href="http://www.quackwatch.org/index.html">Quackwatch</a>, a site devoted to health fraud. There is lots of interesting reading here, I recommend it.

Think about it. Modern science, the ones who sent space probes to Saturn and split the atom, has never been able to detect Qi (chi), the lifeforce said by the ancient Chinese to permeate all living things and is the theory behind acupunture. If we today, with all our modern technology, cannot find any evidence of chi, then how were the ancient Chinese able to discover it and base their whole philosophy of medical treatment on it? Even acupuncturists cannot show us it exists! I'm not surprised since it is solely a product of superstition, no better than that practiced by the African witch doctor.

So if this is the principle Lifewave uses to get their patches to talk to the body, then that proves they are a scam.

Here's is a small part of what the National Council Against Health Fraud has to <a href="http://www.ncahf.org/pp/acu.html">say about acupuncture</a>:


1.Acupuncture is an unproven modality of treatment.
2.Its theory and practice are based on primitive and fanciful concepts of health and disease that bear no relationship to present scientific knowledge.
3.Research during the past twenty years has failed to demonstrate that acupuncture is effective against any disease.
4.Perceived effects of acupuncture are probably due to a combination of expectation, suggestion, counter- irritation, operant conditioning, and other psychological mechanisms.
5.The use of acupuncture should be restricted to appropriate research settings.
6.Insurance companies should not be required by law to cover acupuncture treatment.
7.Licensure of lay acupuncturists should be phased out.

To Consumers:
Beware of misleading and untrue statements made for acupuncture. Some states do not regulate such claims. Because laws are political tools, not scientific ones, the political process often responds to pressures independent of scientific evidence. Acupuncture cures nothing. It may relieve symptoms with the frequency of a placebo. It may be harmful. Consumers wishing to try acupuncture should discuss their situation with a knowledgeable physician who has no commercial interest.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 08:32 PM
To date, there are NO published, peer reviewed, scientifically controlled studies demonstrating ANY effect from wearing a brown (glucose) patch and a white (glycerin) patch on the human body.

Zero studies that support the outrageous claims of a Multi Level Marketer in his third business attempt at selling a patch system.

We wait with interest to see the outcome of the 10/18/2005 $8 Million lawsuit against "inventor" David Schmidt by a previous colleague.

http://thesurfboard.net/download/sscomplaint.htm

patiently waiting...waiting...

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Nanoman
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 | 10:57 PM
Pabl,

There is no evidence that the patches will improve concentration or memory. As an athlete I beleive that it is much easier to sustain focus, concentrate, and remember things when my body is not fatigued.

Acupuncturists argue that certain acupoints help mental focus and therefore applying the patches on those acupoints it may be a possibility.

On a side note there are studies underway that will show what the patches do to lactate levels following exercise and also VO2 max performance.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 12:56 AM
Nanoman said:

"1. CMG - The patches work through a process of resonant energy transfer. This is the same process that occurs when a tuning fork is struck and another close by tuning fork picks up the frequency and begins to vibrate. The patches placed on acupoints on the body are programmed at a certain frequency that your cells recognize. The specific frequencies of the molecules in the patch, through a process of resonant energy transfer, "duplicate" that frequency/energy/information in the energy field...and that through a process called signal induction, certain biochemical process are catalyzed."

Well, to my simple, closed, mind, this sounds like an enormous pile of horseshit. What exactly is "vibrating?" With the tuning forks you mention, one can plainly see the vibration. Is the glycerin in the white patch "vibrating?" How do you know this? What scientific testing can you point to that will validate this mysterious "vibration?"

Secondly, what evidence do you have that ANY organ in the human body responds in ANY way to this alleged vibration?

Thirdly, we know perfectly well what causes a tuning fork to start vibrating. What causes the glycerin in the LifeWave patch to begin to vibrate? Where does the energy come from to allow it to continue to vibrate? At what frequency does it vibrate? If you know for sure that it DOES vibrate, I assume you know the specific frequency, right? Please enlighten us all.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 01:06 AM
Captain Al said:

"The "resonant energy transfer" you speak of requires a power source to maintain it. A tuning fork when struck will send out vibrations but the vibrations will quickly dissipate unless the fork is repeatedly struck. What do Lifewave patches use for a power source to maintain the energy output? From what I've seen they have no batteries. This is one of the things about Lifewave that we say violates the known laws of physics."

As you've probably noticed, Cap, I wrote a response to Nanoman in which I said virtually the same thing. I wrote it before I read what I quoted above. Great minds, huh? Either that or the absurdity of the assertions about the LifeWave patches is so obvious even stupid, closed-minded people like us can see it.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 01:43 AM
"To ED, CMG, Bob, Razela and co. You should really consider putting aside
your sense of morality and cooking something up yourselves. With your
combined knowledge of all this claptrap you could invent a religion and
clean up. Make a few million then give half of it to charity to ease your
combined conscience (hey, they wouldn't have got it otherwise right?)."

Oh, don't think I haven't considered it. I can't say for sure if it's my sense of right and wrong or my seeming inability to actually follow through on grand plans that keeps from doing it.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 06:17 AM
I'm not sure nanoman would know the difference between VO2 Max and V8 juice!

For those interested in the subject here's a link to a piece by David Hampson:
http://www.coolrunning.com/major/97/training/hampson.html

"Although anyone can improve their sedentary VO2 max value through training, this genetic variation helps explain why everyone can't train themselves to be elite."

As Mr Hampson points out, training can improve VO2 Max, but the major element is genetic. Perhaps we will hear shortly that the patches can change the genetic element as well as "talking" to your body to tell it to "make" more energy!

"Although all elite runners have VO2 max values well above the population mean, the correlation between VO2 max and performance is not absolute."

Mr Hampson points out that there are athletes who perform at the "elite" level who have lower VO2 Max figures than one might expect.

LifeWave continues to play the simplistic game.

Bring out a machine ot two, take some readings, before the patch, after the patch and voila! The patches work...simple, right?

LifeWave banks on people taking things on faith. Any real examination of their "product" will reveal it to be a scam.

LifeWave also relies on enthusiastic mouthpieces who gleefully take snippets of information from the website and proceed to give a "thoughtful" presentation in a "factual" manner.

"Garbage in, garbage out" applies.

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Nanoman
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 07:28 AM
EDHUK,

Thanks for enlightening us all on VO2 Max. You have provided us all with some excellent facts about VO2 Max. It is very much genetic and the nice part is that VO2 Max values stay relatively stable over time even when an athlete ceases training. What studies will show is that the lifewave patches can improve ones VO2 Max values in a VO2 max aerobic capacity test.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 07:41 AM
These VO2 Max studies are, of course, carried out by respected independent researchers, not associated with LifeWave in any manner and not selling the product, right?

Duh!
Nanoman
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 07:43 AM
CMG,

The body does respond to frequencies. The patches transmit frequencies when they are activated by body heat. The body heat continually provides this resonant energy transfer to occur.

The energy patches send a frequency of 2.345 gh to the cells.
Nanoman
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 07:46 AM
EDHUK,

Yes they are
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 10:45 AM
Nanoman said:
"The energy patches send a frequency of 2.345 gh to the cells."

I'm assuming you mean 2.345 GHz (giga Hertz). Funny, that's very close to the frequency used by microwave ovens, some cordless telephones and wireless networks (2.4 GHz). Microwave ovens don't need an exact frequency output so they are not designed with much frequency stability. So it's very likely your microwave oven's output, while drifting back and forth, will frequently be at 2.345 GHz. You'd think they would cause chaos with the bodily functions or make you flop around since according to Lifewave, your cells react to that frequency. But has anyone ever stood by a microwave oven and felt anything?

Since I now know the operating frequency of Lifewave patches, I will be able to look for it on a spectrum alalyzer. Too bad I sold the one I had several years ago. I occasionally use one at work now, so next time I have it I will be ready to do a test. I just need to get some patches, preferably free.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 10:47 AM
I almost forgot.
Nanoman also said:
"The patches transmit frequencies when they are activated by body heat."

So if they use an external energy source (body heat), why do they wear out after 2 days?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 12:03 PM
Nanoman,

"Yes they are"

I presume this is your answer to my question about the independent researchers looking into VO2 Max.

Who are the researchers?

Thank you.
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 12:06 PM
Part II

What are your credentials that can give readers any reason to believe your words are nothing more than hype and a continuing sales pitch?

Thanks again.
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Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 03:53 PM
"What studies will show is that the lifewave patches can improve ones VO2 Max values in a VO2 max aerobic capacity test."

If the studies haven't been done yet then how do you know what they will show? You can only make conjectures.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 05:39 PM
Hey, Captain Al, I think you should forward this new information about the oscillating frequency of LifeWave patches to James Randi. I'm sure he would be very interested in that information.

I would do it myself but I wouldn't want to forward something you wrote without your permission (although I doubt you'd object. Still, etiquette and all...)

His email address is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 05:44 PM
Nanoman said:

"The body does respond to frequencies. The patches transmit frequencies when they are activated by body heat. The body heat continually provides this resonant energy transfer to occur.

"The energy patches send a frequency of 2.345 gh to the cells."

Nanoman, how was this tested? What equipment was used and when and where were the tests conducted?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 06:27 PM
In light of Nanoman's revelation about the patch "frequency" I refer back to part of a previous post of mine:

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 | 07:33 AM


"If the patches are coded to send a message to your body to "make energy", it must be possible to receive and confirm the existence of this message with currently available equipment.

That's how David Schmidt is able to "set" the various codes he uses in his plastic circles. He must do quality control, surely? Take a set of patches and confirm with the test equipment that the signal is being sent correctly.

You wouldn't want a malfunctioning batch getting out to your distributors would you?"

Well, according to Nanoman we now have the "setting" frequency for the patches.

Real world stuff folks. It gets better all the time.

Nanoman, you are a gem!

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hcmomof4
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 | 10:40 PM
According to Nanoman,
"The patches transmit frequencies when they are activated by body heat."

My body temperature runs slightly (almost 2 degrees) cooler than what is considered normal. So would the patches not work? Body temperatures vary, not only from person to person, but also in an individual person from hour to hour.

Also, since the patches wear out after a couple of days, what happens if the patches get too warm while still in the package?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 07:31 AM
January 5th 2006

Any sightings of the "coming in January 2006" and much anticipated "studies" in well respected Scientific Journals?

Anybody?

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Nanoman
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 07:42 AM
hcmomof4,

Great question about the heat. I don't know the answer to this one. I would recommend writing Lifewave support with your question. They do come in a protective box which likely deals with this issue.
Nanoman
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 07:45 AM
EDUK,

I have a Master's in Kinesiology in Exercise Physiology. Regarding the studies that are underway the details of them is priveledged info that cannot be public knowledge as this may affect the peer review and publishing process.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 | 10:49 AM
nanoman

"I have a Master's in Kinesiology in Exercise Physiology."

Which University, when obtained?

"Regarding the studies that are underway the details of them is priveledged info that cannot be public knowledge as this may affect the peer review and publishing process."

Are you now saying the review and publishing process is still happening? Publishers of Journals will already be working on material for March 2006 publication dates.

At what point will you put up your hand and admit you are a prankster who is enjoying this process of question and answer?

May I suggest you are, just like LifeWave patches, a complete fraud?

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