The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Announcer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 | 10:26 AM
Onward and Upward:

Six City European Launch Tour

David Schmidt, inventor of the LifeWave technology and President of Lifewave;
Dr. Steve Haltiwanger, M.D., C.C.N., Chief of LifeWave's Medical and Scientific Advisory Board;
Stan Cottrell, Executive Vice President International Affairs;
Nigel Allan, Director of European Business Affairs.

DAY 1 Friday December 9th
HELSINKI, FINLAND

DAY 2 Saturday December 10th
BERLIN, GERMANY

DAY 3 Sunday December 11th
MUNICH, GERMANY

DAY 4 Monday December 12th
MADRID, SPAIN

DAY 5 Tuesday December 13th
BELFAST, NORTHERN IRELAND

DAY 6 Wednesday December 14th
LONDON, ENGLAND
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 | 12:38 PM
Announcer

Proving once again suckers are not only found in the USA!
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 | 01:25 PM
Once again, who will be developing new patches in the top secret Lifewave nanotechnology lab if David Schmidt is off gallivanting around Europe?
hcmomof4
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 | 03:24 PM
I wonder if anyone in Europe will ask about the eagerly awaited results of the clinical trials? Oh yeah, they aren't due to be released until after the "tour". So there isn't much worry about needing to show proof, DS and company can cheerfully state that the tests have been done, and the results will be published soon.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 | 04:02 PM
Re: The Great European Invasion

My previous post:

EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 | 03:42 PM
Nice to see "Lillia" in Germany doing her bit to spread the word about LifeWave.

"Who is not pleased with the smog Buster, should be warned also before Lifewave products! Who bought or drove the smog Buster out however, also the mischief with the Lifewave Patches for cash coin will take."

Don't you love the automatic translation service!

DS in Berlin and Munich in December. Wow, he certainly gets around. What's that old saying "Make hay while the sun shines".

"winners are examined at the soil"

I guess that means "Get down and dirty with David in order to be a winner"

Unfortunately our ex-carpenter "33 years young" has dabbled quite a bit in MLM but doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes:

The search for new vocational chances I encountered on a company, which was active in the telecommunications.

Unfortunately I did not receive there desired success, there I after two months work instead of the promised 4,000, -
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 | 05:56 PM
Re: Our German friend's Website

I thought the US version was that Lance did wear the patches?

The German version:

"USPS Tour de France, 2004
Some Team Members selectively wore the Patches, but not Lance Armstrong"

Ducks in a row boys.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 | 07:27 AM
As Schmidt and his colleages with very grand sounding titles like "Director of European Business Affairs" head off for their trip, one can only ponder on how Imperial College in London will take to the idea that a scam artist will soon be using their name in his advertising material.

Morehouse College and Troy University in the US didn't take too well to the idea, hence the cease and desist orders.

I doubt that the scientific staff at Imperial are even aware that an "inventor" of Schmidt's callibre is gracing their institution on the 14th of this month.

It's a pity, as I'm sure they would be most interested in asking some pertinent questions on a subject they know a great deal about. It would rather ruin the ambience though. Must keep the mystique going. Not a good idea to allow reality to enter the equation.

Business Affairs. Don't most affairs come to a sticky end!

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Nanoman
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 | 07:33 AM
Good Old Bob is at it again. I thought you were gone Bob?? Why don't you go back under that rock you came from under?!? I can't believe the crap that you resort to. WARNING!! Bob is back at the spamming game and using false names. Check out this email I received from "Germain".(and the email is from Martin Johnson) It might look a little familiar and if you back up to page 81 of this forum I think you will know what I mean. Take a hike Bob & all of your aliases.(EDHUK, Captain AL, Razela....whoever you are from day to day)

"Let's accept for the moment everything that Lifewave and David Schmidt claim about his science and his patches is true. I would personally welcome this scenario, as it would be a phenomenal discovery that would radically change the health care and wellness service industries around the world. I would join Lifewave, and sing the praises of David Schmidt from every roof top!

Without exaggeration or parody, imagine an entire NFL football team wearing Lifewave patches? They would be unstoppable. Any team would easily win the Super Bowl with an across the board 40% increase in energy, strength and endurance. When you consider the multi-millions of dollars this would mean to the franchise, they would have to be fools to not issue patches to every player on the team, if only as a "good luck charm"........................ bla bla bla (I had to delete some of the crap as this toilet was full)
Still assuming the science and the patches are genuine, can you think of ANY legitimate reason for presenting the company and the inventor this way and for marketing this product epiphany in this manner?

I cannot - for none exists..."

Germain
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 | 08:03 AM
So Nanoman must think there is only one person in the world that doesn't believe Lifewave patches are real.

Also, if you look at the MOH member list, it will show I joined the forum on Nov 10, 2004. Look above and you will see this thread started on Feb 24, 2005. Therefore I must have planned to join, then wait over 3 months before saying anything about Lifewave (he probably thinks I started the thread). Then I waited an additional 3 months before posting as Bob (WWSN). Wow. I must really have something against David Schmidt to go to all that trouble.

Or maybe... we (EDHUK, Captain Al, Razela....) are all different people who can, like many others, recognize bullshit when we see it. Which is more likely?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 | 08:27 AM
Nanoman

Once again you give us a totally predictable post.

I will repeat for the umpteenth time.

I am not Bob or anyone else but myself!

I started posting here as a result of two friends of mine who were suckered into buying the LifeWave patches. Period.

As long as money hungry, economical with the truth, idiots like you are around, I will continue to post.

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Nanoman
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 | 03:01 PM
Bob you crack me up.... nice try!! I actually just got your last post as well on an email. Funny how this happened at roughly the same time.

Now you are Marilyn Larson. Were you out of guy names so you have to resort to female aliases.

Its getting chilly outside....why don't you go and install some furnaces.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 | 04:11 PM
Nanoman

Well done, that's the way. Avoid any mention of the LifeWave scam.

Talk about anything else but the reality that the LifeWave hoax will soon be coming to an end.

Have you got your exit strategy well planned? Better not leave any trace just in case you get a knock on the door from one of your disgruntled customers.

By the way. The "studies" you keep promising for January will be out now won't they? We all know how Journals come out before the date on the cover.

Where do we need to look and what are the titles of the Journals?

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Texino
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 | 11:36 PM
Tomas Texino here. I do medical debunking for the legal site
Quatloos.com I have also been a supporter of WWSN for sometime.
As far as lifewave is concerned it is simply an MLM with an over priced and bogus product. The fact that distributors are franticly trying to undersell each other on ebay just as happened with the smog-buster should allow the reasonable person to see that the product doesn't sell it self as it would if it could really produce as advertised. Instead you will find that after the initial effect that almost has to appear due to the emotional build up enhancing the placebo effect, the patch becomes just another adjunct to hard work and hard work is rarely an outstanding quality found in the world of get rich via miraculous gadget schemes. If you want 40% > in performance then put on your patches and work 80% harder. As far as your customers go, after a few parlor trick sessions using basic reflexology to "Prove" instant strength, why would the average Joe or Jane want to stick and expensive pair of magic nipples on the chest every other day? Even if they did work, homeostasis would be achieved pretty quickly and since there is no claim of an > dosage where you going to go then? You want to get fit and make some cash? Eat right, drink lots of water and get a part time job walking some big dogs. You'll feel great.

Tomas Texino
Nanoman
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 | 07:38 AM
I am a dousche bag! What can I say.
Nanoman
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 | 07:49 AM
Nice try again Bob. Now you have resorted to using my name. I won't be back. Just quit sending me your crap by email.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 | 10:21 AM
Nanoman

A douche bag is useful!

Here is an interesting site fron the UK

http://www.healthwatch-uk.org/clintrials.pdf

I particularly liked the words that seemed tailor made for LifeWave, or any other scam company.

Copyright
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 | 09:19 PM
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/placebo.html

Excerpt:

"The power of suggestion has been demonstrated by many investigators in a variety of settings. In a classroom, for example, a professor sprayed plain water about the room and asked the students to raise their hands as soon as they detected an odor. Seventy-three percent managed to smell a nonexistent odor.

Persons with a dominant or persuasive personality often have considerable impact on others through their ability to create confidence, which enhances suggestibility. Many individuals who are taken in by a charlatan later tell their doctors, "But he talked to me; he explained things; he was so nice."

Individuals who are psychologically susceptible to suggestion often feel better under the influence of counseling or reassurance. Several years ago, an airline flight attendant told me, "I take a multivitamin pill that Consumer Reports says is useless. But I don't care. It makes me happy."

Gullibility and wishful thinking are common human characteristics. People are willing to believe in untrue things in varying ways and to varying degrees. Even scientifically sophisticated people may respond to the power of suggestion."

Stephen Barrett, M.D.

LifeWave Patches

Nothing New.

!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 | 12:56 AM
EDHUK quoted:

"The power of suggestion has been demonstrated by many investigators in a variety of settings. In a classroom, for example, a professor sprayed plain water about the room and asked the students to raise their hands as soon as they detected an odor. Seventy-three percent managed to smell a nonexistent odor."

I can go that one better. Back in the early 80's when I was a wacky morning drive DJ on Q-100 in Allentown, PA, I pulled a gag where I claimed to be the first radio broadcaster in America to be testing a system called Odoradio, which could transmit smells through people's radios.

I played a sound effect which was supposedly the "calibration tone." Then I said that we were transmitting Smell Number One and I asked people to call in and tell me what they were smelling (so that we could see how accurately the system worked). My boss told me it was the stupidest thing he had ever heard--until the calls started coming in from people swearing they could definitely detect a smell coming from their radio. I got dozens of them each time I claimed to be transmitting a different smell. I got one from a guy who told me the smell (of roses if I recall) was so overpowering that he had to pull his car over and open the windows to air it out.

Yes, this sort of thing works, as unbelievable as it may sound. I've said it before: the power of the human mind to bullshit itself is amazing.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 | 01:22 AM
CMG, I think I've said this before, but you truly are my hero.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 | 05:31 PM
Razela, you flatter me. Not that I'm complaining, mind you.
puke
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 | 08:51 PM
I am getting sick now!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 | 07:19 AM
puke

Do you also feel sick when you think of David Schmidt salting away his ill gotten gains for his forthcoming rainy day?

Is it all a matter of perspective?

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hcmomof4
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 | 05:12 PM
puke,
If the smell of roses is so strong, roll down the window.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 | 05:20 PM
Still waiting to be given the list of peer reviewed studies in January 2006 publications which will be out now due to publishing lead times.

Anybody?

LifeWavers wouldn't have been telling us porky pies would they?

?????????
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 | 12:50 AM
Oh, another part of the story. I got another call from a guy who said that I was full of crap, that Odoradio was a fake. He said he had two radios on in his house and he couldn't smell anything.

I said, "TWO radios? Are they in the same room?" He said they were so I told him the problem was that they were cancelling each other out. He still sounded skeptical but said he would turn one of them off.

A little while later he called back. He said he had turned off one of the radios and the smell was now so powerful that he had to open a window. It was all I could do to keep from laughing.

Maybe now you can see why I'm such a believer in the power of the placebo effect.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 | 07:36 AM
Meanwhile in the UK, David Schmidt will be smiling having had his "meeting" at Imperial College London. I wonder if anyone of consequence attended or was it just a stroking session with distributors who paid Five Pounds for the pleasure?

I keep wondering how this scam keeps going and then I watch a little tv and see an idiot talking about cures "they" won't tell you about and it falls into place.

People want to be conned. They want the impossible to be true. They don't want to live in a world where the average and mundane is the norm.

I'm not sure I can blame them, but I still know I could never join them.

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Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 | 09:53 AM
Maybe he just went and had a pint at the imperial college student union, which conviently has this comfortable little pub and some nice televisions for watching the football games. I could see him doing that with a few of his buddies and then saying he had this important meeting at imperial college (which would cause the listener to assume he was being sponsered by the college, when in reality he just went there for a quick pint and a bit of football).

I miss the Imperial College pub...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 | 10:35 AM
Razela

That's essantially what he did on his trip to a polytechnic in Canada recently. We don't hear much about that trip do we?

On the London Imperial College gig he actually had a room # in a building.

Room 201, The Skempton Building
Imperial College
South Kensington
London SW7 (South Kensington underground station)

He possibly had a new distributor who happened to be going to college and was able to book a room.

You are spot on with the way these scams, any scam, use the old "association" trick. People are easily hoodwinked as witnessed by the whole patch joke. When I was in Canada a few years ago I had a meeting in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill. Very grand I'm sure. The fact that I met with a few friends and we had a guided tour while Parliament was in recess shouldn't reduce the importance of the meeting, right?

Ho Ho Ho.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 | 10:42 AM
At last a way to PROVE the patches work.

Fantastic stuff.

We will be presenting the LifeWave products and opportunity and demonstrating the NTA-1000 Bionetic testing device to show immediate before and after results with the Lifewave patches.

Now there's a meeting everyone should be at. Wouldn't it just send chills down your back to have concrete irrefutable proof! You guys in Colorado are so lucky.

I think I'd be even happier if they used the NTA-6000 machine though!

DUH
kit1133
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 | 10:46 AM
EDHUK, the house of commons isnt on parliament hill,thats on hampstead heath.I think you mean Parliament square!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 | 12:48 PM
kit1133

Thanks for the correction.

My point was more that I didn't even have to have been there to say I was. The internet is full of untruths, ask David Schmidt.

$
Rolan
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 | 05:59 PM
Whats going on in C olorado?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 | 06:12 AM
Rolan

As the tentacles of the LieWave, oops, sorry, Freudian slip, LifeWave creature spread across the globe, they now have regular "support" meetings for distributors popping up all over the place.

What better venue could you have to wheel out fringe science machines that will "prove" the patches work.

The problem is that the very thinking processes that allow someone to be taken in by the patches scam science are the same processes that allow the same people to be dazzled by the apparent concrete "proof" of patch effectiveness.

Of course, there is no NTA-6000, to my knowledge.

As Cranky media Guy has pointed out, the power of suggestion is very strong. The machine will "prove" the patches work...end of story, right?

?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 | 09:50 AM
More about Lifewave on this week's James Randi commentary.
<a href="http://www.randi.org/jr/200512/121605local.html#i7">That stupid patch again</a>
Hawkflyer
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 | 09:02 PM
I know this is a web site directed towards hoaxes and monitored by a lot of men and women of science but I have to take exception to your skepticism when I believe that very few of you slamming this product have not tried it for yourselves. I have seen other websites that will give you free samples of this product. I suggest that you order some and make a scientific judgment based on your own personal experience.

With that said, I was skeptical up to about two months ago when my wife wanted to try them. She has three compressed lumbar disks and is in great pain most of the time. She also has MDS (a form of pre-Leukemia) that prevents her from taking Ibuprofen, her pain reliever of choice. From my deepest gut feeling, I don
Rolan Doobies
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 | 09:14 PM
Hawkflyer, you definatly make the statement "half the world was made to screw the other half" ring true.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 | 09:51 PM
Hawkflyer

I am genuinely pleased that your wife has found relief from chronic pain by using the energy patch. I'm also pleased you have personally found them to be beneficial.

What will you do when LifeWave comes to its inevitable conclusion? Will you be stocking up?

I have mentioned previously in this thread the wonderful new study from the US on genuine pain control from a placebo. It answers the old niggling problem of why so many people using placebo products actually have genuine effects.

If you are indeed a genuine poster as you claim, you will not be offended by my words. I do hope you read the previous posts, especially the link to the amazing pain study.

You mention that you do not give a "rat's ass" about what people will think about you yet you have gone to some trouble to write your posting.

How did you come across this site? The money is not important to you but does it matter that your wife has accomplished pain control with her own mental abilities and David Schmidt, non-scientific businessman is happy to take the credit, and money, for her accomplishment. Should you feel a "rat's ass about that I wonder? Just a thought.

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Nanoman
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 | 10:40 PM
Hawkflyer,

You definetely have come to the wrong site. Guys like EDHUK just don't understand the patches because they won't try them. They continue to bash anyone that posts. I promised I wouldn't be back but I am simply not talking to "them" anymore. I want to share my similar experiences with you.

You can even see the card that EDHUK is playing above with the placebo effect even though you said "you don't give a rats ass if it is a placebo". That is the only thing that they can go on because they are close minded to new things and also technology that they have not tried.

The results you have experienced are very real and have been experienced by many people. I am a distributor and have done so too keep ordering patches at my discretion. I have helped people with MS, fibromyalgia, arthritis, high blood pressure, and pain too name a few. All I tell them is that they may feel some increases in overall energy throughout the day. I don't tell them about pain relief, lower blood pressure, increased concentration, weight loss etc. But this is what they are reporting back too me.

This science is real and I would love to have one of these skeptics in my office for a 24 hour period. Even though we wouldn't be able to publish a independent placebo study in the 24 hours I can guarantee that I could show them that this product is everything and much more than what Lifewave is letting out.

There are studies that are going to be published in do time. I know the skeptics are very anal and are stuck to timelines. But I know from personal experiences that publication and peer review can be a long and unpredictable process. It is out of Lifewave's control. The skeptics (WWSN) keep asking about Vegas and Calgary and when the proof is going to come. The answer is simply this - be patient. I could fill up 10 pages of material about lifewave that I have learned and shared with healthcare professionals and from Vegas and Calgary but why would I want to share that with people like the 5 skeptics that are on this forum. They would only go about cutting the individual down by attacking them personally like they have done to numerous past postees.

I look at Lifewave as a good Vitamin. Everybody should be taking them/using them but only a small percentage of people are and will continue to use them. People say that they eat well but research shows even our "real" food" is no longer giving us the nutrients that our bodies require. It always amazes me that people will spend $50,000 on a vehicle and pay $50 a month for upkeep and $150 in gas but refuse to pay $2 a day for a good vitamin for their body. The same will be the case with Lifewave. Even when the studies come out there will still be people that cut down lifewave and won't be convinced just as there are people out there that don't believe that physio, chiropractors, naturopathhs, etc. are a viable practice.

It is my prediction that this debate will continue as long as mankind is around. Is there ever a definite answer?? My answer to this is....does everyone take vitamins??

My second prediction is that one of the 5 analytical skeptics will cut and paste various sentences out of this post and go about trying to bash the things I said. Because their minds are so closed to change they will go through my post with a fine toothed comb and pull out phrases that follow their agenda.

Hawkflyer, Sorry to make this a long post but I just want to give you an educated answer to some fo your experiences.

Stay tuned for the humerous and bashing replies from the faboulus five (1) skeptic.

I am genuinely happy that the patches have provide pain relief for your wife. I highly recommend them as they will make a difference in everyones life.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 | 10:40 PM
Hawkflyer said:
" I have to take exception to your skepticism when I believe that very few of you slamming this product have not tried it for yourselves"

Common sense tells us not all claims deserve equal consideration. For instance, we have all seen pigs. We've seen them on farms, in movies, on TV etc. We know they run around, make noises and are messy. We also know they can't fly. That's obvious because they don't have wings and they're too heavy and if they could fly, we probably would have seen them do it at some point.

Now if someone were to claim pigs really could fly, should we take them seriously? If this person was a respected zoologist, we might feel compelled to at least listen to their reasoning. But if it was say, a person with a 2 year business diploma, most people would just laugh at him or her. They most certainly would not go out of their way to attend a public demonstration, especially if they had to pay to see it.

I think most skeptics on this forum, including myself, don't bother surfing Lifewave distributor sites so we don't see the offers of free patches. This seems to be a new thing. Before, all the distributors on this forum just urged us to buy them since they had a money-back guarantee if we were not satisfied. One skeptic did get free patches and had his wife try them. She reported no increase in energy from wearing them. Since common sense tells us pigs can't fly, we feel no need to prove the obvious:

LIFEWAVE PATCHES ARE A SCAM.

We know this because the things Lifewave claims cannot be done and they most certainly cannot be done with the stuff that is in the patches (glucose and glycerine). And even if those things were possible, it couldn't be done by someone with no scientific training and no ultra-modern research facility. And even if that person could do it, they most certainly would have a patent on that multi-billion dollar invention and receive a Nobel prize and be on the front page of every newspaper in world. And even if they did all that, they most certainly would not sell this miracle product by MLM.

If Hawkflyer's wife got some benefit from a placebo effect then I'm happy for her. But the point of this forum is to show Lifewave is lying about their patch being a nanotechnology device that will revolutionize sports medicine. They are merely out to make as much money as they can before the distributors catch on and dump them like last week's newspaper.
Nanoman
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 | 11:16 PM
Captain Al,

Where are you in Alberta? I would love to meet with you sometime and let you experience the patches? I may be through Calgary and Edmonton from Dec. 21-23
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 | 10:14 AM
Nanaoman,

I'm currently in Hinton, Alberta, which is near Jasper National Park. That's about 2 1/2 hours west of Edmonton. I'd love to meet up with you as well but my work schedule is completely unpredictable. Since my service area covers about 20,000 sq. miles, I've no idea where I will be around Dec 21-23 but I will keep it in mind if the possibility of my being in that area arises.

So is this a social visit or will you be spreading the Lifewave cheer to the lucky people in Alberta?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 | 10:56 AM
nanoman

I'd hate to let you down so here goes!

My second prediction is that one of the 5 analytical skeptics will cut and paste various sentences out of this post and go about trying to bash the things I said. Because their minds are so closed to change they will go through my post with a fine toothed comb and pull out phrases that follow their agenda.


My, my, you do think a lot of yourself, but nevertheless let's do as you predicted and take a look at your worthwhile comments about the most amazing discovery that mankind has witnessed in the last 100 years if not more! This will follow my AGENDA of helping to show LifeWave patches are a SCAM.

Firstly, for someone who stated he wasn't coming back to this forum and that nobody read it anyway, you have spent some energy writing, haven't you!

Also, from someone who thinks I am the same person as WWSN1, CMG et. al., you posted your response to Hawkflyer just 1 hour 38 minutes after their post. Just coincidence, I'm sure. You just happened to be looking at this site that you think nobody looks at.

Leaving that aside, you give us your predictable drivel about the famous LifeWave patches. Well, at least you're consistent.

Now you want us to equate sticking a glucose patch and a glycerin patch on our body to taking a daily vitamin pill. Interesting approach. Something that doesn't enter the body (or so LifeWave continues to claim) and something that you put in your mouth and swallow.

There is some sort of similarity I suppose as LifeWave (and you as a dsistributor of the product) ask buyers to swallow the biggest load of bull **** this side of Texas.

As a distributor with a vested interest you had better hope the debate continues, because that will mean the product is still selling.

I have no vested interest other than adding my observations on this scam to this forum in the hope that eventually the company will be forced to close its doors. A little jail time for certain individuals would certainly be an added bonus. Do you get claustrophobia?

Your lame comment about me not wanting to try them, therefore how can I possibly know they don't work. Duh, we've been here many times before, but just for old times sake...

I've never jumped off a cliff, stuck a needle in my eye, sipped sulphuric acid, held my breath for a day, eaten cow manure, had lunch with a boa constrictor etc. etc. etc. I have made an educated decision that these are things I choose not to do.

I also have made an educated decision, weighing up the pros and cons, that there is more chance of you selling LifeWave patches in ten years time than me ever putting the ridiculous things anywhere near me, let alone sticking them on my skin!

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 | 10:57 AM
nanoman PART II

There are studies that are going to be published in do time. I know the skeptics are very anal and are stuck to timelines. But I know from personal experiences that publication and peer review can be a long and unpredictable process. It is out of Lifewave's control. The skeptics (WWSN) keep asking about Vegas and Calgary and when the proof is going to come. The answer is simply this - be patient. I could fill up 10 pages of material about lifewave that I have learned and shared with healthcare professionals and from Vegas and Calgary but why would I want to share that with people like the 5 skeptics that are on this forum. They would only go about cutting the individual down by attacking them personally like they have done to numerous past postees.


Nanoman, is this your late reply to my request for the names of repected journals?

You really do have a funny side don't you! Just a few months ago it was all cut and dried. The studies were done and would be published in 4 months. Yep, they were definitely all coming out in January 2006 (which would really mean now as publications print and distribute ahead of the cover date).

Now you tell people to "be patient"...again.

You really are a piece of work.

ps I especially liked your freudian slip "...published in do time." Seems like I'm not the only one thinking of someone doing jail time!

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Hawkflyer
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 | 11:09 AM
Captain Al,
If you want to base your argument on the old adage
Hawkflyer
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 | 11:18 AM
Captain Al,
By the way I was kidding about the lover thing and I was probably out of line. My apologies.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 | 12:22 PM
Hawkflyer,
I think you've been breathing too many av gas fumes. Why don't you take a pig up in your Skyhawk? Be careful it doesn't get loose and start running around the rudder pedals or worse, jump in your lap and push the yoke forward. Better yet, push it out the door and then tell us how well pigs can fly.

There is nothing wrong with a businessman marketing a product and making money as long as it is done legally. What is wrong is making false claims about your product and making money. That's not legal, in Canada or the US.

Don't you find it the least bit suspicious a businessman, working alone with no scientific training, could develop a product that is on the leading edge of technology and medicine? To ignore this basic bit of logic and focus on David Schmidt being persecuted by skeptics is putting the cart before the horse. This makes you the one with the closed mind. We've already seen the distributor's websites (they're all the same) and gone over the Lifewave explanation. It seems you've yet to do that since all you have to offer in their defence is statements about sexual jealousy. Not much credibility in that. I'd hoped for more of a technical argument; maybe something about physics we don't know... I guess that's just wishful thinking on my part.

If medical science is really as simple as mixing up a batch of glucose and glycerine in your basement to perform miraculous changes to the human body, then curing cancer and AIDS would have been done years ago. Lifewave is making extraordinary claims and as the saying goes, that requires extraordinary proof. So far the proof is only "extra ordinary". The proper course of action is to view Lifewave skeptically until they can provide the necessary evidence. If they are for real, they will be able to do this.

For someone who claims to be "new" to this subject you sure seem determined to defend it strongly. Wouldn't it make more sense to research the alleged science behind it before taking sides? Shouldn't Lifewave have the burden of proof if they are making the claims? So far the only "proof" offered are anecdotal stories and a few amateur "studies". Meanwhile, the dollars (some of them yours) keep rolling in.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 | 12:27 PM
Hawkflyer,
I was writing my response while you posted your apology. In that case I must apologize for the comment about the gas fumes.

I am sincere about being happy your wife feels better by using the patches and I do hope it keeps working for her.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 | 12:36 PM
Hawkflyer

Part 1

This forum obviously has a believer v/s non-believer appearance.

From time to time when I read information that genuinely seems to throw light on the subject, for BOTH sides to read and think about, I give the link to the site where I saw it.

If you ever get the notion to read all the postings on this site (if you ever had that sort of free time!) you would see that I have consistently voiced my concerns for people precisely like your wife who does get some relief. I am genuinely concerned about what happens to them when LifeWave goes under. Your wife doesn't deserve to have her support ripped away from her, even if her use of the product has been encouraged by deceitful methods.

The Study was reported on in The Economist

Pain perception

Mind tricks

Aug 25th 2005
From The Economist print edition

Suggesting medicine will help does result in physical changes in the brain

THE placebo effect, long considered nothing more than psychological suggestibility, does now appear to be genuine. Researchers this week demonstrated that when a person is treated with a substance which he or she believes to have the power to relieve pain, the brain can be tricked into setting in motion some of that pain relief.
While the Latin word placebo literally means
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 | 12:36 PM
Hawkflyer Part2

During the phase of the study where the volunteers were both in pain and receiving their
andy
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 | 11:19 AM
i try to contact lifewave to tell them i had unsubscriped with them two months ago and they are still charging me for their item i have not order.so i sent them an email saying about the problem ,they sent me an email saying to use their backoffice knowing that i have no acount with them.so i sent them another email tell them stop acting the fool .they sure fool me,i asked them why have they know unsubscriping button in their email like most company,they didnot reply to me .so the only thing i can do is cancell my card with them.warning to all
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 | 07:32 PM
andy,

I'm sure it's just a mix up. LifeWave is a company dedicated to providing a much needed service. A company with ethics and a moral outlook on the world. They wouldn't just be interested in you for your MONEY would they?

Right!


For prospective LifeWave distributors.

Don't forget to carefully check out this company BEFORE you sign up. As a distributor, you will be held equally LIABLE when the scam is busted.

It's amazing how easy it is to trace people once there is a legal search warrant involved.

Are you so sure that this company is honest that you are willing to put yourself on the line for them?

Are you?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 | 08:57 AM
WWSN1

Thanks for posting the info from the Federal Trade Commision. I learned about distributors obligations through you a few months ago on this forum.

I guess it's all too easy to be swept up in a new opportunity that comes your way, especially when it is often presented by "friends" who, for the moment, believe the product works.

This forum continues to ask people to question "Why does it work and how?" The problem is that LifeWave hides behind clever wording like "We believe that...etc."

I believe it's all a scam and I stand by those words. LifeWave has had ample opportunity to prove to me and the world that I am wrong but has not done so.

They prefer to continue the age old scam techniques. "I used it and it seemed to work, so it must be genuine, right?"

"Lots of well known people are using it so it must be good, right?"

"Who am I to question this company? They use all those scientific words like nanotechnology and resonance frequencies. I have no idea what any of it means, but it must be good. They are all over Google, page after page, so it must be good, right?"

Try putting "Bioterrorism" into Google. You get 7,840,000 returns. It must be good, right?

LifeWave relies on people who want something they don't currently get by any other method. Whether it be extra energy or pain relief, these people have tried most everything they know about and then along comes someone with a miracle.

Why wouldn't they try it, it's only a $100 or so a month?

Easy to get trapped into not thinking logically or even not thinking at all.

Please think about it!

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harvey17
Member
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 | 08:52 PM
After taking the time to review many of the blatantly opinionated and suspiciously objective comments (myself included
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 | 09:42 PM
harvey17

Thank you for taking the time to look at this issue in a constructive manner.

I agree that at times it does sound a little like "my dad is bigger than your dad" !

We will have to agree to disagree on the point about proof of efficacy.

You cannot prove a negative but you certainly can prove a positive. LifeWave has been totally lacking in this department because, quite simply, they cannot prove that a worthless scam product works.

They have mentioned various studies, as far back as the "studies" at Morehouse College and Troy University prior to these institutions issuing cease and desist orders.

It's easy to see how someone at a college who happens to have bought into the LifeWave idea (and is also a dsitributor) claims to have real results from a "study" they have conducted.

Of course, the "study" is useless.

You may also have heard mention of the Million Dollar James Randi Challenge and the various "reasons" that LifeWave pulled out after applying.

If LifeWave had a genuine product, as claimed, they would be 100% certain to win the money. The LifeWave high ups have given a miriad of reasons why they decided not to continue the challenge, but they were just covering up the obvious fact that the patches do not work and cannot be demonstrated to work in a scientific manner.

As for the pound of flesh DS has extracted. I think DS is taking far more than this. He is taking the pi** and thumbing his nose at the believers who buy the product.

On every level, he is taking buyers for a ride.

You have done your research and made your informed choices and I admire you for that. I may not agree with your choices but it's a free world. I can at least feel comfortable that I tried my best to make my point.

You pays your money and you makes your choice.

All the best.

EDHUK
andy
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 | 04:46 PM
sorry edhuk, i don't buy it since i made those remakes lifewave have not even bother to email me ,they being emailing me almost every day last month so what has change they can put a lawsuit on me if they want .i the used & password in one of my book and nothing happen.their something not right with the company .the ceo of lifewave need to come on this forum and explain his self on all fronts and not do a mr bush style pr stunt.yes please refund me back my money.challenge to the ceo must be made by the people who earn the company money and don't be fool by people who are nice i found them to be the most cunting of all,andy
Rolan
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 | 06:34 PM
I think Andy is a product of the United States public school system.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 | 10:16 PM
Andy

I'm guessing that English is not your first language. I admire anyone who can speak more than one language even if some of your words are not quite correct.

My previous posting to you contained sarcasm which may have been difficult for you to understand.

You have found out the truth about LifeWave the hard way. Many more people will find out in time. I hope you have cancelled your credit card and requested a new one.

David Schmidt will continue to promote his company for as long as possible. It's all about making as much money as he can get away with before the inevitable end of the company.

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Powerofthemind
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 | 01:53 PM
Example of how energy levels are affected by the mind:

earlier this year I started a business. I worked incredible hours to get it off the ground and had boundless energy.

a few months ago I found out that I was lied to and the building I am in is going to be demolished soon and I will have to close soon.

nothing else has changed since I found this out. I eat the same, get the same amount of sleep etc etc.

Compared to 4 months ago I barely have any energy at all now. I wish the patches were real because I'd have them all over my body.

The thing is I know that if were given a reprieve today and I could remain open that my energy levels would miraciously return!

The mind is so powerful it's not funny...
andy
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 | 01:54 PM
ho i did not know you were take the piss that ok rolan & edhuk. you learn a lot from wisemen like you thank you very much.andy
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 | 02:20 PM
Andy,

I am sorry you thought my words were meant to discredit you. They were not.

As I said before, I admire you for being able to speak and write in more than one language. I wish I could understand more than one language but I can't.

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