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hcmomof4
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 | 10:42 PM
From Razela:
"In also seriousness, I'm almost positive that Beckham is the world's most recognised athlete. I did read a study on it once which detailed the most recognised athletes/actors/musicians and stuff in different countries all over the world, and beckham came out vey much at the top.
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Well, that proves it. Beckham is without a doubt...an athlete.
Able to fly said:
"However, in a review of Beckham's book MY SIDE it was said that he was 'Arguably the most recognised sportsman in the world'."
Ummm...arguably I am the most recognized sportsman in the world... |
Able to fly
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 | 11:43 PM
Charybdis in Hell said:
"I would imagine that Michael Jordan doesn't have quite the same fan base abroad that he enjoys here at home."
Michael Jordan has a huge fan base in Australia and in much of Asia. (I don't know about the rest). In fact anywhere basketball is played they are sure to know of Mr Air Jordan who made Nike number one in basketball gear throughout the world for about 10 years. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 | 05:12 AM
Athletic prowess = LifeWave Patches Are Genuine
NOT! |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 | 02:20 PM
David Schmidt's growing bank account = LifeWave patches are for the gullible. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 | 04:42 PM
Nice to see "Lillia" in Germany doing her bit to spread the word about LifeWave.
"Who is not pleased with the smog Buster, should be warned also before Lifewave products! Who bought or drove the smog Buster out however, also the mischief with the Lifewave Patches for cash coin will take."
Don't you love the automatic translation service!
DS in Berlin and Munich in December. Wow, he certainly gets around. What's that old saying "Make hay while the sun shines".
"winners are examined at the soil"
I guess that means "Get down and dirty with David in order to be a winner"
Unfortunately our ex-carpenter "33 years young" has dabbled quite a bit in MLM but doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes:
The search for new vocational chances I encountered on a company, which was active in the telecommunications.
Unfortunately I did not receive there desired success, there I after two months work instead of the promised 4,000, - |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 | 05:20 PM
With DS away, who will take over the research and development? Maybe the face lift patch will be delayed. |
Nanoman
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 | 10:07 PM
Happy Anniversary Lifewave!!! One year and still going strong. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 | 02:54 AM
So, I'm surfing around the Internets. I come to rawstory.com and what do I see? An ad for FREE LifeWave patches. I click on it and it takes me to lifewave.com/sweetpea. Only trouble is I'm damned if I can find any reference to free patches there.
Why it's almost as if the LifeWave people were trying to MISLEAD me. Nah. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 | 02:15 PM
Nanoman
You are a gem!
Plenty of promises for interesting in depth studies about how your (placebo) patches work and what do you give us?
A birthday greeting!
I am truly gobsmacked. What will you think of next?
Maybe a fact or two to support your leader's outrageous claims for his magic patches? By Christmas perhaps? How about the new Year?
There is one thing LifeWave has down to an art...
PROCRASTINATION..... |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 | 11:16 PM
I know this is way off subject, but the rawstory link renewed a frustration in me...
At rawstory, there was an article about the recent (and sadly failed) initiatives in California. The widely spread falsehood that it was merely a power play to have union members have to opt in to political causes is still driving me crazy. My husband decided to check into the "available form" that would allow him to opt out. There is no form. Huh...
Ok, I'm off my soapbox now... |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 | 02:33 PM
WWSN1 said:
"This is actually Dr. Haltiwanger's personal affiliate web site. He gave out that web site address during his appearance on the "Coast to Coast" radio show a week or two ago."
Ah! That still doesn't explain why the ad which lead me there said that you could get free patches but I couldn't find any reference to free anything once I arrived. Bait and switch? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 | 02:59 PM
WWSN1 and CMG
The Coast to Coast link gives the sweetpea address. Interesting that the description of the show doesn't give the impression that he talked about LifeWave.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/11/06.html
"...discussed the principles of electro-medicine and the work of Robert Becker, who wrote The Body Electric."
I thought it was billed as a great LifeWave "event".
Maybe it was much like the huge "CONference" and the amazing Canadian meeting in the cafeteria at the polytechnic. It's all in the "selling" of the event I suppose.
Big on promises, short on delivery.
DS at his best.
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Waver
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 | 05:23 PM
Long time, no see. Glad to see the "gang of 4" still going strong.
Thought you guys would like to watch the following. Wait for the 20 second auto ad to end.
http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/?videoId=173112,173609,565 |
Announcer
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 | 05:43 PM
For your reading and viewing pleasure:
Tim Duncan of the San Antonia Spurs with LifeWave Patches - On The Evening News.
Also, note the name Lance Armstrong.... as well !!!!!!
http://www.woai.com/sports/ |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 | 05:46 PM
Waver
Great piece. Liked the part when he says.."believe it or not..."
And so, to your point, I presume.
It's on the TV so it MUST all be real, right?
Yeh, right!
I believe everything on TV is real and must be genuine. DUH
Wave goodbye now.
!! |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 | 05:58 PM
Announcer
Out of the woodwork, Announcer and Waver, after a noticeable abscence.
Bet you can hardly contain yourself.
Where is the evidence you promised post conference. Still waiting......
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 | 07:24 PM
Yes, jocks are well known for their scientific prowess. If they endorse something, it must be okay. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 | 12:56 AM
Announcer said:
"Tim Duncan of the San Antonia Spurs with LifeWave Patches - On The Evening News.
Also, note the name Lance Armstrong.... as well !!!!!!
http://www.woai.com/sports/"
And your point is...? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 | 01:07 AM
EDHUK said:
"The Coast to Coast link gives the sweetpea address. Interesting that the description of the show doesn't give the impression that he talked about LifeWave."
Beats me. I just stumbled across a LifeWave ad on a website and followed the link which promised free patches. I figured I'd ask for them and perhaps send them on to Randi again. In any event, when I got to the site, I couldn't find ANY reference to "free patches." If it's there, it's well-hidden.
Eh, what can you expect from scammers? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 | 07:11 AM
Economical with the truth
LifeWave uses tried and tested methods of promotion to encourage people to buy into their scam. A radio broadcast becomes proof positive that the patches work and you are safe in sending your hard earned cash to DS to help him buy his ticket to Germany where he can Sell his wares to a fresh, unsuspecting crowd.
A TV piece is like gold to LifeWave. WOW, it was on TV therefore it absolutely cannot be a fake product. Take that you disbelievers!
I'm sure these methods work for some people. The same methods work for a whole range of products, good and bad.
As for the WOAI news piece. I corresponded with Don Harris on the show. He explained "I didn't endorse anything." "I understand that the science may be questionable, and I have my own doubts about the effectiveness of the product."
Words like that will not be headlines on LifeWave's website. "As seen on WOAI Sports News" with a link to the broadcast may be. Giving the impression of authenticity is the name of the game. Getting people signed up for autoship is the goal.
Meanwhile, we are no further forward in our understanding of this product. No studies in reputable scientific publications. No supportive words from scientists working hard in the field of nanotechnology. Why is that?
People in the real world of science are not going to waste one nanosecond explaining the LifeWave scam. They have real research to be getting on with. That's where the hope for real products that will do real things will come from, eventually.
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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 | 10:57 AM
Coast To Coast AM's description of their November 6th program with Dr. Steve Haltiwanger says:
" Electronic technologies used for health are both old and new, said Haltiwanger, who combines using magnetic fields and nutrients for his patients."
Sorry I missed the show. I wonder if the good doctor mentioned he has no patients because his medical license is suspended? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 | 02:05 PM
Captain Al said:
I wonder if the good doctor mentioned he has no "patients because his medical license is suspended?"
No, that's not the reason. It's just that his personal magnetic field is so strong (and oddly polarized) that it repels patients from his office. Is there a patch to fix that, I wonder. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 | 03:43 PM
Nanoman
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 | 09:07 PM
Happy Anniversary Lifewave!!! One year and still going strong.
Oh Nanoman, not quite the gutsty bravado we used to see!
The Early Days:
NanoMan
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 | 06:29 PM
They do work!! Just try them for a month and see for yourself. You have nothing to lose as Lifewave stands behind their product. 100% satisfaction or your money back.
Ah yes, the good old conspiracy angle:
Nanoman
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 | 08:45 AM
The only reason I could see this company going belly up is if the FDA shuts them down because of all the great things that they do for people. They wouldn't have to stand behind me. I am a user of the product and don't sell them to anyone. To me it would just mean that the government pulled something else of the shelf.
I hope that if they do have to shut down that they give me enough notice to order enough patches to keep me going for my lifetime.
AH, the wealthy nanoman:
Nanoman
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 | 06:13 PM
EDHUK,
Thanks for the kind words!! And a big thanks for thinking about me and my spending habits. I have lots of money in the bank for my retirement and I am willing to spend it on something that takes away my pain and agony that i have had for many years. No other product has stood up to this and I have tried many. And by the way they are only 69.95 for me.
Why don't you try them for yourself?? You really need to give these a try. It sounds like you really could use the lifewave effect in your life.
The Studies are coming:
Nanoman
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 08:20 AM
...The studies are being conducted now and will be published soon....
The big list and the "Try them for yourself" ploy.
Nanoman
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 08:52 AM
Here is the truth about Lifewave...
...10.The Lifewave patches are for real. Don |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 | 03:44 PM
Part Two
Where were the studies at the conference?
Nanoman
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 | 02:49 PM
The studies were not going to be published at the Conference. A few of them were presented but details of them will not be released until they are published.
Then Nanoman took a vacation.
Nanoman
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 | 02:05 PM
Lifewave is here to stay!!
Catch the wave of the future!!
Then, the world shattering statement:
Nanoman
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 | 09:07 PM
Happy Anniversary Lifewave!!! One year and still going strong.
So, the studies have been coming since August, with 4 months for peer review.
If I know Journals, they have their schedule planned out a long time in advance. LifeWave's studies will now be a firm part of future publishing dates.
Nanoman,
Please give us the names of the reputable Journals where the studies will be published and the dates to look for them.
Thank you.
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Nanoman
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 | 05:08 PM
EDHUK,
You had some time on your hands!! Everything you quoted is exactly correct. On Aug. 23 I said that the studies would be published in 4 months time. Can you not do some simple math??
You will see what journals they appear in when they come out in the New Year. It will be a Happy New Year for all lifewavers!! |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 | 05:58 PM
Nanoman
Right on cue.
NO ANSWER
Which Journals specifically and what dates?
Be specific.
Do not procrastinate, even though you are very good at it.
You either know or you don't. If you don't then why on earth are you wasting our time?
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hcmomof4
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 01:22 AM
Nanoman,
You also said on Sept. 30 that the results would be published in 4 months. Should we hope for an early Valentine's gift?
But damn, 6 weeks of un-specified peer review journals is an awful lot of dry dull reading. I hope the test results don't go unnoticed... |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 08:22 AM
Nanoman
You imply that you are a player.
The reality is that you have been PLAYED like a violin!
You dance to the tune of LifeWave LLC. Your brain waves paralysed to logical thought.
Like the BORG you are one small peon in the Schmidt system of indentured servitude.
You think of yourself as an A sharp but you are only an F Flat.
Play on Nanoman, the FINALE is coming.
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airpaden
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 10:26 AM
Hello Guys,
I am new to this discussion forum. My name is Charles and I am a retired NYC Police Officer. I just want to comment on my experience using the Lifewave energy patch. Currently I am employed as a Personal Trainer and Spinning Instructor.
I was extremely suspect of the patches at first, just as many of you are. Someone sent me some energy patches. Prior to teaching my 1 hour Spinning ride I place the patches on my chest. I rode extremely hard,my heart rate was above 80% during most of the class. My recovery time was was unbelievable.Lactic acid build up was none existant. I also gave the patches to a friend who recently ran the Washington Marathon. She called me 48 hours after the Marathon and told me that she felt great. Placebo? I don't think so.
I recently became a Rep for Lifewave because I know this is a great training aid for all who are into Health and Fitness. I don't exactly know how it works but it works. I apologize if that statement sounds ignorant.
I have came across many products before and none has made a profound impact like the Lifewave Energy patches. By the way, I am not selling anything here. I came across this Forum through a search engine.
Peace To All, Happy Hollidays
CP 😊 |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 11:48 AM
Airpaden
Welcome
What exactly does the word PLACEBO mean to you?
Thanks. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 02:58 PM
Airpaden
Question #2
"By the way, I am not selling anything here."
Why is it that when I click on your name I get to your LifeWave website?
By the way. Your site asks "What if: (the patches) were proven effective by double-blind clinical studies at major universities?"
The problem is you are behind the learning curve here. These so called studies were a sham. The institutions involved issued cease and desist orders to LifeWave to stop using their names.
You might want to do a bit more background research before getting too excited about the LifeWave revolution.
"I don't exactly know how it works but it works. I apologize if that statement sounds ignorant."
We have read this line many times from many LifeWavers. A more accurate reading might be "I don't know exactly how it works but I think it works."
Ignorance is just a lack of information. It is not a badge of stupidity. With more information you too can get up to speed on the LifeWave scam and come to realise there is no shame in being scammed. The shame is in continuing the scam and involving your friends and colleagues.
Please don't be part of the scam.
Regards. |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 02:58 PM
Airpaden,
If you spent much time reading through this forum, it would be obvious that you aren't selling anything here. Anyone buying patches is already selling 'em. (With the possible exception of Able to fly...)
I am kinda curious why you bothered to search for this forum anyway. Once you're selling the patches, it's a little late to be gathering info about them I'd think. |
Angel
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 06:26 PM
Hello to all,
I am chemist, and work as manager of research and development of pharmaceuthical products.
I have been using the patches in my rutine of running (6 - 8 miles)and cycling (1 - 2 hours.
I notice a real increase in performance in both. Not only an overall stamina, but more important, faster recovery time and no injuries up to now.
That is enough evidence for me.
You start that disccusion several months ago, but, you tested?
Angel |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 07:16 PM
Angel
"That is enough evidence for me."
Is that how you conduct all your research?
Please let us know the name of the company you work for so that we can keep well away from any products you come up with!
What a joke!
LOL |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 07:56 PM
"I am chemist, and work as manager of research and development of pharmaceuthical products."
In your dreams pal.
I guess that "pharmaceuthical" company forgot to give you an English proficiency test before they hired you as a manager. |
Announcer
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 10:02 PM
Didn't take long for the personal attacks to appear did it EDHUK and Captain Al.
You guys are classic. |
anon
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 10:33 PM
yah, and what are the odds that these "new comers" are credible and deserve any respect.
They all sound like a broken record. Yah Lifewave it's been one year, but I sure dont see the billboards and mass panic to buy this stuff.
I still remember when Creatine was hitting the market and gaining popularity. I worked at a nutritional store and we COULDNT keep the stuff in stock. things have changed now, but word travelled very quickly and the companies jumped on the bandwagon.....
Im guessing companies like Weider/GNC/SportPharma, etc, etc, are all too busy trying to figure out what schmidt did in the back of his van down by the river to make these miracle patches so they can get them to market!!!! |
anon
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 10:35 PM
by the way, has anyone ever asked schmidt where he did his research?!? Im guessing that anythign dealing with nanotechnology would require a high end lab, and the finest equiptment available......? |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 10:41 PM
Is it really a personal attack to be wary of the research and development of a chemist who determines the efficacy of something by simply trying it for themself? |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 | 11:56 PM
Able to Fly's been quiet for quite awhile. What has she been up to lately? Considering that she's the only lifewave supporter that has actually struck me as intelligent, I'm sorely missing her. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 | 12:33 AM
Razela said:
"Able to Fly's been quiet for quite awhile. What has she been up to lately? Considering that she's the only lifewave supporter that has actually struck me as intelligent, I'm sorely missing her."
Yeah, Able To Fly seems non-stupid, but I'm not sure I'm buying the "I'm just a housewife from Australia who is curious about the LifeWave thing" story. For me, at least, the story started coming apart at the seams around the time of the "two people sharing the same IP address/multiple personalities" silliness. My Bullshit Alarm started ringing REALLY loud right about then. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 | 12:42 AM
anon said:
"by the way, has anyone ever asked schmidt where he did his research?!? Im guessing that anythign dealing with nanotechnology would require a high end lab, and the finest equiptment available......?"
Well, yeah, you'd expect that from anyone who was really involved in "nanotechnology" as the term is used scientifically.
On one of the LifeWave web sites I've seen, though (might have been that sweetpea place), they define the word "nanotechnology" so loosely that it literally could be applied to anything that is composed of atoms (which, I hope you realize, is EVERYTHING). My opinion is that that "definition" of "nanotechnology" is coming straight from the CYA laboratories, if you catch my meaning. |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 | 12:46 AM
Yeah, but Razela didn't say anything about honest, ethical, or sane... Just that Able-to-fly was Able-to-string-more-than-three-words-together without coming across as someone who decided that education past 4th grade was a waste of time. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 | 05:25 AM
Anonymous Announcer
Didn't take long for the personal attacks to appear did it EDHUK and Captain Al.
You guys are classic.
Well, nice to know I'm a "classic" now!
When did it become a "personal attack" to ask common sense logical questions?
Wouldn't you want to know the name of our new "research chemist's" company so that you could avoid buying a drug they "tested" by sticking it in their own body, and because they didn't die, gave it their seal of approval!
When did it become a personal atack to ask the latest "innocent" LifeWave poster pertinent questions.
"By the way, I am not selling anything here."
However, the poster has a direct link to their LifeWave website on the posting!
Anonymous Announcer sits at home waiting, waiting, hoping to be able to post a comment that will cut us to the quick.
The problem is, Announcer, you are not quick enough!
Enjoy your day!
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EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 | 01:38 AM
WWSN1
And yet, nowhere on his web site does he recommend or endorse Lifewave patches. I wonder why.....?
Bob,
It's not easy to find but tucked away at the bottom of the Sponsors page you can find the LifeWave link.
And for those LifeWavers who continue to think you and I are one and the same person, I guess I must be correcting myself! LOL
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EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 | 10:06 AM
Another UK tabloid newspaper has news about Beckham and his patches.
"But experts are sceptical about the patches. American Academy of Medical Acupuncture chief Dr Bryan Frank called on the makers to explain exactly how they work and doubted the claim nothing enters the body. He said: "When you say amino acids, that could be anything. It sounds like a vague description because they don't want to say what it is."
Acupuncturist Dr Joseph Acquah added: "The question is whether it's stimulating the body's electrical field. I've never seen a scientific study that shows you can use amino acids to change electrical currents."
"The patches may boost energy but they clearly do not make stars play any better - as Becks and his team found out on Saturday night when they were thrashed 3-0 by Barcelona."
Oh well, it's only a game!
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Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 | 02:28 PM
You know that when Acupuncturists start questioning your scientific methods that something is very very wrong. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 | 07:13 PM
I would like to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. Safe journeys one and all.
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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 | 12:06 AM
Razela said:
"You know that when Acupuncturists start questioning your scientific methods that something is very very wrong."
You might even say they poked a hole in it. Nyuk nyuk.
Actually, maybe the pin prickers just don't want competition from someone else's bullshit. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 | 01:49 AM
Hi Razela,
I have been really busy and this forum easily distracts me so I removed the shortcut from my desktop.
Hi Cranky
I never claimed to be a "housewife" and if your "Bullshit Alarm" rang just because I invited my friend to use my computer to post a response then I suggest you change the batteries or buy a new alarm. Remember to dispose of old battery or old alarm wisely and with environmental consideration as they are obviously very unstable.
Anyway if it really bothered you that IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT posted with the same IP address, then why don't you get a moderator to check our IP addresses on page 71 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 | 07:52 PM. I'm sure you will think up a story other than the truth about why our IP addresses are different on that occasion, but at least it might be entertaining.
Anyway there doesn't seem to be anything new on this forum, so I guess I better get back to work. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 | 03:48 PM
I guess there are only so many ways to suggest that something is a SCAM!
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hcmomof4
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 | 10:55 AM
Dang, this seems to be dying down.
...sigh...
...I guess I'll have to go look for a life... |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 | 03:02 PM
hcmomof4
As John Cleese (Monty Python) said... "Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?"
The LifeWavers have let us down badly, or they have realized that putting forth their slim arguments hasn't done their cause much good.
I presume some new folks will continue to drop by to look at the reasons why they should not buy this product...you'd hardly look at a hoax website expecting to find reasons to buy something...or maybe you would?
David Schmidt has successfully manoevered around the law, for now. It cannot go on indefinitely.
Recently, various sources have raised the question of the patches actually being transdermal. What if their non-transdermal status was untrue?
I presume that might be one answer to people who experience an effect. It would not be an answer many would like to see because they have bought into the highly improbable scenario of a brilliant "inventor" who comes up with software for the body.
If they found out something was actually being absorbed they might not be so interested but the FDA would surely be very interested?
The September CONference in Las Vegas came and went followed by deafening silence. Then the Canadian "meeting" came and went with nary a word. Next will be the big European launch in Germany. Not too many prying eyes from the US at that meeting I would guess.
Our 33 year old carpenter friend in Germany will feel like he's hit the jackpot and his worries about his back injury will fade as he sees his future through the LifeWave rosy glasses.
Then it will be Christmas and then in the New Year the much anticipated "published studies" will arrive, or not.
Then we will have the usual round of posts from the anonymous LifeWaver distributors..."We are still here" etc. etc.
Well, LifeWavers...You firmly sell your product for a reason and I firmly stick to my belief that LifeWave patches are nothing more than a scam.
Seasonal Greetings.
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Baby Maker
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 | 06:33 PM
GET SOME FRESH AIR GUYS!
IT MIGHT MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER.
FRESH AIR IS BETTER THAN LIFE PATCHES |
harvey17
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 | 09:38 AM
I was as skeptical as the next person when I tried them. A guy I work out with (ex-professional athlete) referred me to them and said he |
EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 | 12:59 PM
harvey17
You may have read some of the previous posts on this forum. From time to time there is a similar post to yours. There are also the usual replies.
Lately, I'm beginning to entertain the idea that the LifeWave patches might not actually be non-transdermal. It certainly would be interesting to find out that a substance was being absorbed by your body even though you were led to believe it was all down to "nanotechnology".
It's a different way to look at the LifeWave patches and one that would answer a great deal of questions. Of course, DS would then have a problem on his hands. Instead of scamming the public with his "non-transdermal" placebo patches, he might be putting something into you without FDA approval.
Good luck with your "guinea pig" trials, but as I'm sure you know, any results you experience can only be of interest to you. The results cannot be used as a bona fide "study". Sounds like you are having fun doing it anyway.
Regards.
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harvey17
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 | 02:41 PM
EDHUK:
What's most intriguing about these patches is that they've been accepted by the NCAA as 'non-transdermal'.
After playing NCAA sports and going through what seemed like infinite drug tests at the time, I can confidently say that they don't mess around with performance enhancement (at least that which they can detect).
They haven't been considered performance enhancers in any of the major professional organizations nor by the IOC.
If DS is using 'placebo' patches for his trials and something different, presumably illicit or performance enhancing, in the consumer patches then a host of professional and amateur athletes would have already failed their drug tests and Lifewave would already be exposed.
Also, if DS has created some sort of magical patch cocktail that is being absorbed and undetected, his relatively small operation is way ahead of 'reputable' supplement manufacturers like Biotest, EAS, and Cytodyne, not to mention the pharmaceutical giants. I put 'reputable' in quotations because supplements generally don't get FDA approval.
To add perspective, it took 2 deaths by professional athletes to bring about a ban on Ephedrine, so Lifewave's safety concerns are certainly well founded.
Outside of dumb luck (i.e. discovering a breakthrough in drug masking or chemical compounding) on his behalf, this would be practically impossible |
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 | 03:16 PM
Harvey17 is certainly much better spoken (written?) than most of the LifeWave atheletes. But his very first sentence seems really funny.
"I was as skeptical as the next person when I tried them."
I don't know how skeptical the next person near him is, but around here, the skeptics aren't likely to be spending money on something that sounds as fishy as the patches do. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 | 08:22 AM
hcmomof4:
You neglected to acknowledge the second sentence in the same posting where a guy I workout with (who I trust, given that he competed in a sport more physically taxing than I did at a higher level than I was ever able to achieve) was going to reimburse me out of his own pocket if I didn't show any results (maybe he was just willing to pay $80 for his own amusement as it would be a relative drop in the bucket given his bankroll).
All I can speak to is a dozen years of being in the world of collegiate and professional athletics and the inherent knowledge of supplementation (and a little research into the industry) that comes with it.
If something as safe, presumably, as these patches can provide a spike in performance, we're likely to see a lot more high-profile pros wearing these patches. Especially if there are no negative side effects. Aside from Mr. Olympia, who seems to be a bit of an endorsement whore, there have been enough professional athletes wearing these things for people to take notice.
I asked a friend of mine who works in the front office of an NBA organization about Tim Duncan and the patches - he told me a number of guys are trying them out. If they work, expect a line of endorsements from NBA players and athletes in the other 3 ML sports.
Of course a lot of $$ will be involved but remember that A-Rod (among others) doesn't use Rawlings gloves just because he's paid to - they're his equipment of choice and his endorsement has, undoubtedly, influenced a number of other ballplayers at all levels to at least try the equipment he both uses and endorses. Don't be surprised if the 1 or 2 initial, all-star caliber endorsees who actually use these patches leads to an explosion of usage in professional sports (from my understanding, it's already started) and amateur (where the real moneymaker is due to the numbers).
It'll either be one of the biggest scams in a time where athletes now only have limited ways to enhance their performance, beyond working harder, and will try anything not banned by their league OR one of the biggest revolutions in athletic training and performance aids that actually does tap an energy source never explored before by the |
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 | 11:03 AM
To those who remember Ken Lay and ENRON.
In January of 2002, Mrs Lay told a tearful story of probable personal bankruptcy to the world. She didn't mention the small sum of $4 million socked away where creditors and legal judgements couldn't touch it. Satrting in 2007 the money will bring the couple a nice $900,000 a year pension.
Ken Lay reassured his company investors and employees that all was well...just before the well publicized collapse.
To those LifeWavers who count themselves as "honored" to have met David Schmidt in person.
When this scam finally comes out into the bright reality of the real world, try to remember the look of sincerity on DS's face. Try to remember the reassurances and extravagant claims for a new beginning with a product science would talk about for the next hundred years.
Picture the face that gave you the confidence to gladly put your money into the company through purchasing the dream.
Then remind yourself you are in good company. The brightest and the very best can be scammed.
But also remind yourself that you had the opportunity to search well beyond the hype before you set out on your journey to become rich. You had a resonsibility to check out all the information you could find and question why certain information was never forthcoming.
Ask questions.
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