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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 | 11:39 PM
Announcer,
This thread is about the Lifewave scam. If a serial killer chooses to question a Lifewave claim, their background does not negate Lifewave's obligation to answer it. Shifting the focus to someone else will not work here.
If you feel the need to question the legitamacy of WWSN, start another thead. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 | 11:44 PM
Joe said:
"There is only one Lifewave inventor, therefore his credibility is critical."
Joe I agree that David Schmidt's credibility is important. I agree that David Schmidt needs to be more forthcoming with information on his background etc. However, I haven't yet been shown a document that proves that he does not have a Scientific background or that proves that he has been fraudulent.
Have either of the Lawsuits that WWSN1 refers to been through the courts yet? Did they win?
Has anyone seen a CV that is definitely belonging to David Schmidt of Lifewave (it appears to be a common name)? Do we know for sure that the David Schmidt with the two year business degree is the same David Schmidt?
In their favour Lifewave at least give the public the opportunity to try at no cost. So you can judge the patches by performance if you can't access the scientific proof that one would normally expect. All the scientific data in the world will mean nothing if those who try it feel no benefit.
Because there are so many people claiming that the patches work for them I remain optimistic and hope that there is more to these patches than just a placebo.
If it turns out that the patches are just placebos I will be sad, but not devastated or horrified. Those who paid for the patches hopefully did benefit from wearing them anyway. As for David Schmidt, well I would look at him in the same way as I do most people who sell religion. He may be telling a pack of lies, but he made a lot of people believe in the power of the patches and so improve their performance. That is no worse than selling Holly Medallions, Rosary Beads and Crosses is it? |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 | 11:48 PM
Announcer said:
"Let |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 05:35 AM
Able to fly said:
"If it turns out that the patches are just placebos I will be sad, but not devastated or horrified. Those who paid for the patches hopefully did benefit from wearing them anyway. As for David Schmidt, well I would look at him in the same way as I do most people who sell religion. He may be telling a pack of lies, but he made a lot of people believe in the power of the patches and so improve their performance. That is no worse than selling Holly Medallions, Rosary Beads and Crosses is it?"
YOu seem to be employing the Wizard of Oz defense here. Two wrongs do not make a right. Nor do three, fifty or a thousand. If you take money under false pretenses, you are a crook.
Didn't ANY of your "multiple personalities" ever take an ethics class? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 05:51 AM
Kenneth McPherson said:
"Check the Daily Mail newspaper and find the page featuring a photograph with David Beckham, of Real Madrid shown wearing LifeWave patches. Enough said but yes you have to admit those guys who walked on the moon had to be in a huge warehouse somewhere and it was hoax also.
History repeats."
Maybe I'm not as bright as I'd like to think I am, but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic here or not. I will say that if you sincerely believe the moon landing was a hoax, that sure explains any faith in the LifeWave patches you may have. *cough* gullibility *cough* |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 05:59 AM
Nanoman said:
"Finally a stop to all of this nonsense!!
EDHUK, CMG, Captain Al......nice try Bob!!
Lifewave is here to stay!!
Catch the wave of the future!!"
Are you trying to claim that we are all the same person using different names?
Sorry to ruin a perfectly good conspiracy theory but not only am I NOT any of those other people, but I have never even met them or corresponded with them outside of this forum.
You could always ask Alex, who runs this site, to take a look to see if any two or more of us have ever used the same IP address (as some of the LifeWave defenders have been caught doing).
As for the LifeWave patches, the day is coming when you'll have to put them on the shelf in the closet next to your Laundry Balls and amazing gas mileage improvement widgets. They're all made of the same magic ingredient: snake oil. |
Joe
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 06:15 AM
Able to Fly,
We talked about Schmidt's CV at length earlier in this forum, so if you read it from the beginning, you will run into it.
Announcer,
I'm a CPA, so I guess that makes me a credible source. I will ask the same questions that Bob has been asking. If I start a Website like WWSN, then I guess the problem of our credibility is solved. But David Schmidt's credibility is still zero. |
Duane H.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 09:33 AM
World Wide Scam Exposed
Bob Burtis Checkered History
Bob Burtis of Worldwide Scam
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EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 10:02 AM
Duahe H.
I'm sure you mean well, but as has been stated by others, how exactly does Bob's personal life relate to David Schmidt and his outrageous claims for the ever evolving LifeWave product.
Please be precise in your answer.
Thank you.
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Joe
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 11:48 AM
Lifewave is intentionally scamming its customers. I'm sure Bob didn't have the idea of filing bankruptcy when he put that first charge on his credit card. Plus, whoever made that site should read about the filing period between bankruptcies. |
Announcer
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 12:54 PM
Joe, you are joking right?
"Lifewave is intentionally scamming its customers." Where is your PROOF Joe? Your speculation and opinion maybe.
"I'm sure Bob didn't have the idea of filing bankruptcy when he put that first charge on his credit card"
One thing I can say is that I sure would like to have you as my friend Joe, supportive no matter what.
OK two BKs in 17 years, one every 8.5 years. A pattern of running up debts and then not paying them. Over $800,000 not paid. Joe you cannot be that naive.
WSSN never wrong-what about the $8,000,000 judgement against them? Oh yeah, that does not count.
EDHUK, personal history is normally not an issue with me except that in this case, WSNN has made credibility and scamming people out of their money his issue. He has made it his mission to expose these types of scams wherever they exist. I do not have a website trying to expose anything. Do you? Bob does so it does matter in this case.
There have been many posts regarding how Lifewave is scamming grandmothers, kids, the crippled and handicapped, cats, dogs, horses, and everyone else out of their hard earned money.
If WSSN is going to take the moral high ground and save us all from these terrible scams, don't you think he needs to apply the same stardards to his own conduct?
Charging exorbident amounts of money on credit cards and not paying those debts back hurts all of us, whether we use Lifewave or not. Higher interest rates, tighter rules on getting credit, and changes in bankruptcy rules that affect us all.
On an individual basis I wish Bob the best in getting his personal financial life in order.
But Bob wishes me to beleive that his opinions and posts regarding MLM scams are credible. I for one will give his opinions the weight they deserve-zero. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 02:12 PM
SO are you playing the card that "somehow Bob must have a personal issue with Lifewave and it's management" because I cant see why else he would dedicate so much time to "exposing" this company.
He's either a hard working guy who is trying to help people out, or a weirdo with a personal vendetta against Lifewave.
After trying Lifewave patches as well as sharing experiences with 5+ friends who have tried them, I'll have to side with him on the fact that Lifewave is a scam!!!!!!
Someone post a link to this beckam picture please! |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 02:59 PM
So, one minute all the attention is on James Randi. Now the attention is on Bob Burtis. I wonder who will be next in the spotlight?
I think someone protesteth too much!
If LifeWave has nothing to hide and is a genuine Company with genuine business credentials I believe they would not give a toss about comments from Bob or James Randi or CMG or me or anyone else. They would have the comfort of knowing they will ultimately be proven genuine.
Someone took a great deal of time to make a website about Bob and even pay to have it registered. Why?
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EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 03:59 PM
Registrant:
Karl Berlin .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) +34.972833286
Rabassada 3
Santa Cristina d'Aro,GI,ES 17246
http://www.whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=www.worldwidescamexposed.com |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 04:02 PM
And what is Karl doing here?
http://pswl.com/
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Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 04:26 PM
"OK two BKs in 17 years, one every 8.5 years."
This doesn't make sense at all. If Bob had 2 bk's 8.5 years apart, that would be 2 bk's in 8.5 years. Where does the 17 come from. I guess it could be 17, or 10, or 40, or 5000 years.
Also, how are 2 BK's in 8.5 years a pattern. Every 8.5 years?? According to you, it's just 2 BK's so there is no "pattern" and how do you know "every 8.5 years" if 8.5 years hasn't happened since the last one? You need at least 3 for there to be a pattern. |
Joe
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 04:47 PM
I just typed out a long response to Announcer, but I decided that some people just don't get it and erased it.
Reminds me of Lifewave, shift the problem somewhere else. Lifewave is not a scam because Bob had 2 bankruptcies = Lifewave patches do not work because the user didn't place them on right spot, or detox, or believe.... blah blah blah.
Shift the blame. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 04:52 PM
Joe,
Smoke and mirrors is always the name of the game in the world of scams.
Nothing any of us can say will change the thinking of a LifeWaver. Personally, I never expect to. I just hope new readers will stop to carefully consider what's going on before they shell out their hard earned lolly.
Cheers.
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Able to fly
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 04:53 PM
EDHUK said:
"If LifeWave has nothing to hide and is a genuine Company with genuine business credentials I believe they would not give a toss about comments from Bob or James Randi or CMG or me or anyone else. They would have the comfort of knowing they will ultimately be proven genuine."
Well that might explain why there are so few Lifewave distributors who stay and argue on this forum. They probably don't "give a toss" about the comments made on here.
I gather the reason for this forum is that there is too little information being provided by Lifewave and some of you are reasonably suspicious.
However, I have a problem with comments like Captain Al's about David Schmidt:
"Does he have any science degrees? No.
Has he published any papers in scientific journals? No.
Does he have a nanotechnology research facility? No.
Does he have scientific training to examine different technologies? No."
If he had said "not that we know of" then I could accept that. "Two wrongs don't make a right" and some of the comments on this forum are just guesses and may well be wrong. I want facts not guesses.
I also don't go along with the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" argument, and I don't think someone's financial errors removes their right to voice an opinion. I would welcome any contribution from WWSN1 provided he can back up his claims and he differentiates between what is simply his opinion and what is actual fact.
Likewise I think David Schmidt should not be judged so harshly and we should allow for his mistakes when he was first trying to establish Lifewave. The two lawsuits are not really relevant to whether the patches themselves are a hoax.
I agree that David Schmidt's CV is relevant and I was wondering how much pressure has there been for him to provide it. Aside from Bob, how many of you have written to Lifewave asking for this information? (sorry there are too many pages in this forum for me to go right through it)
I wrote to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) a few days ago, and then again yesterday. I am happy to continue writing until I get a response. Does anyone have an alternative address? Has anyone written and had a response of any kind? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 05:01 PM
AbletoFly:
While your right about "shouldnt be judged so harshly" in most cases that statement SHOULD apply.
Here's the problem though. With anything else, a person should be judged fairly and accordingly, but in this case, the person in charge of this company, is making a lot of money.
If lifewave is in fact corrupt and snake oil, then it's understandable why someone like DS should be acted and treated upon.
Put it this way. Lets say you and your son spend 300$ in the next little while on patches. 6 months down the road, a TRUE clinical study has been proven that they are nothing but sugar patches. Do you praise david schmidt for making you believe in the patches hence giving you plecebo energy. Or do you "hate" and dislike him for conninc your money.
I think the dislike and judgement for him is because theres a lot of money being made off a product that just DOESNT seem legit! |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 07:07 PM
"However, I have a problem with comments like Captain Al's about David Schmidt"
My comments state logical conclusions.
I looked over a lot, but not all, of Lifewave's website. Nowhere do I see any mention of his official academic achievements. Is that 100% proof? No. However, one would think it would be there somewhere since they are promoting a technological product to prospective customers. What better way to gain credibility than to show off your diplomas? If I missed this information, someone please give me the link.
WWSN has been trying for some time now to get a CV for David Schmidt but so far there has been nothing. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude he has no degrees. It was also my intent to use direct statements to try and force a response by someone who knows of any. That did not work either.
If a person has no degrees and no scientific training, it would be very difficult to get published in a scientific journal. So does anybody here think my comment on David Schmidt not having published any papers is wrong?
The Lifewave site shows no photos of a research facility or people working in one. Look at any other technology company's website and you will find pictures of their staff working away with high-tech equipment. Not so with Lifewave. All you see are sports scenes from stock photo agencies. I am therefore forced to conclude there is no Lifewave research facility, unless someone can show otherwise.
I find it astonishing all these Lifewave distributor/defenders put their hard-earned money into this without even checking on the ability of the "inventor" or the existence of a research lab capable of producing a product that does what Lifewave claims. Do they think Schmidt developed revolutionary nanotechnology on his kitchen table? They also don't seem to feel the need to ask where the product is manufactured. One distributor who posted a while back claims to have a Master's degree and done research in the past and even he didn't think to ask! |
Joe
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 | 09:23 PM
http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/bin/group.cgi?group=162
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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 01:36 AM
Able to fly said:
"Well that might explain why there are so few Lifewave distributors who stay and argue on this forum. They probably don't "give a toss" about the comments made on here."
OR they realize there are no sales to be made here and that's what the whole thing is about: money. Besides, don't the "multiple personalities" of the LifeWave defenders who ARE here count?
"I gather the reason for this forum is that there is too little information being provided by Lifewave and some of you are reasonably suspicious."
Well, that's part of it. I'd say the main reason, though, is that what David Schmidt says about his little plastic patches is simply incredible (in the sense of "not credible").
Hey, I just had a thought. Since the patches "work like a cell phone," why doesn't Schmidt just make them work AS cell phones? Lotsa money in that, I'd think. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 01:46 AM
With regard to the notion that Bob must have some "personal issue" with LifeWave, if and when some attorneys general finally get around to coming after this fraud, will you make the same claim about THEM, too? I mean, it MUST be personal, right? After all, no one ever just wants to see justice done. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 02:04 AM
Cranky Media Guy said:
"don't the "multiple personalities" of the LifeWave defenders who ARE here count?"
Are you saying I am worth more than one person?
If you keep flattering me like this people will begin to question your "Cranky" status. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 02:55 AM
WWSN1 said:
"David's supposed to be such a genius and a scientist who's discovered the most incredible product in the history of the world, so is he back in his lab developing new nanotechnology gadgets and miracles? No, he's flying to Japan to run affiliates meetings."
Bill Gates is without doubt a "genius", yet he spends time promoting Microsoft, writing books, etc. I don't know how much time he spends developing software.
"William Grand and David Jumper both said they had asked Schmidt for his CV and told me that one was being prepared."
That makes a total of 4 of us that I now know of. How about a few more people write and ask Lifewave or David Schmidt.
As you know each lifewave distributor gets a replica website with their contact details on it. A search for livewave will bring up a lot of these sites. If you were to write to every one of these distributors with a list of questions you may get lucky and a number of them may try to find out the answers. You and I may not be important enough to Lifewave for their support team to bother to respond. However if quite a number of their distributors start asking these questions they may feel the pressure to supply the answers.
Maybe you have already tried this, in which case I apologise.
You say I have "mellowed" but that isn't the case. If anything I am just sick of not learning anything more about Lifewave. I only found this forum because I was looking for answers. I'm disappointed by the lack of answers. I can appreciate the fact that you must also be frustrated, but it is as though you have all stopped looking and come to your own conclusions. That isn't enough for me.
I don't care if Lifewave patches are real or a hoax because my son is getting what I paid for, but I still want to know the truth, especially now that there is talk of a facelift product (not sure how that could work if it is just a placebo, but I might be tempted to buy that as well, with or without proof, if it makes me look 21 again). |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 06:46 AM
GROAN..............
NAIVE
Unsuspecting or credulous: |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 10:00 AM
Abby,
Is it not true women buy billions of dollars a year worth of anti-aging and anti-wrinkle products with questionable results? I predict the Lifewave facelift patch will be a big seller. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 10:05 AM
I said:
"I predict the Lifewave facelift patch will be a big seller."
This assumes the company lasts long enough to get it into distributors hands. But since David Schmidt seems to spend all his time flying to affiliate meetings instead of in his top secret research lab developing new products, it could be a long time either way. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 10:56 AM
Captain Al
You are being very generous implying that DS even knows one end of his bunsen burner from the other!
I believe DS has demonstrated his clear understanding of the workings of MLM and its place on the internet.
The "inventing" part can take place literally anywhere. The only limitation to any "new" product is how to market it. i.e Just how dumb does someone have to be before they realise that particular product is nonsense?
Didn't DS state a while back that he could easily come out with a new product every month?
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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 11:56 AM
"You are being very generous implying that DS even knows one end of his bunsen burner from the other!"
EDHUK,
I didn't want anyone to think I was suggesting they would have to be stupid to believe in these patches.
I noticed you were generous enough to imply DS had a bunsen burner! |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 12:01 PM
Captain Al
DS probably had a chemistry 101 set when he was a child, but could never figure out how to open the box!
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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 12:38 PM
But he was able to sell it for more than his parents paid for it. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 03:09 PM
Captain Al said:
"Is it not true women buy billions of dollars a year worth of anti-aging and anti-wrinkle products with questionable results?"
Yes, but they use most of these products instead of a basic moisturiser. If they don't moisturise their skin will age, so any moisturiser is better than no moisturiser in the anti-aging skin world.
Will lifewave be selling facelift patches or creams? If they are patches will they tell you that you have to use plenty of moisturiser on your face for them to work in the same way that you need to drink plenty of water for the energy patches to work? Where will you stick the patches? Does anyone know anything about them? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 05:44 PM
Able to fly said:
"I still want to know the truth, especially now that there is talk of a facelift product (not sure how that could work if it is just a placebo, but I might be tempted to buy that as well, with or without proof, if it makes me look 21 again)."
If you don't care if there is any proof, then you do NOT "still want to know the truth." Can't have one without the other. |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 06:37 PM
I really have to give Able to fly some credit. She has not only hung around much longer/more persistently than any other LifeWave supporter, but she has mananged (with one slip-up) to stay basically rational, even if those of us who are non-Wave supporting find problems with her logic.
Able,
Bill Gates' "genius" is in marketing. So spending his time doing what he's best at is reasonable.
Capitan Al,
"But he was able to sell it for more than his parents paid for it." I'm still giggling... |
Able to fly
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 08:04 PM
hcmomof4 said:
"Bill Gates' "genius" is in marketing. So spending his time doing what he's best at is reasonable."
In reality his "genius" was his foresight. Microsoft focused on developing software for the home or office computers when PCs were still in their infancy. However his gifts were recognised when he was still a Harvard student.
Assuming the Patch technology is real, then David Schmidt may one day be recognised for his foresight as well as his marketing skills. Like Bill Gates with Microsoft, he may have employed a number of young scientists to carry on and develop the line of patch technology research that he started. Just because we don't know about it doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Here's another theory. Maybe the patch technology is really a CIA invention. Maybe David Schmidt is a CIA agent and just teh front man for this operation. Maybe the idea is to eventually replace the energy patches with ones that can control human behaviour. That would explain why we know so little about David Schmidt (if that is his real name) and why the contents of the patches are kept such a secret. It would also explain the secrecy surrounding their manufacture.
Anything is possible. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 08:25 PM
WWSN1 asked:
"It would be so absolutely easy for Lifewave to prove their case and establish Schmidt's credibility. What is the most obvious explanation of why they do not do so?"
My answer: He is a CIA agent under cover. His real name isn't even David Schmidt. |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 08:28 PM
Dang. Silly us to have not thought of that. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 09:23 PM
If it's humor, it's vaguely funny. If it's a serious remark, it's extremely creepy!
I thought we had heard from some of the dumbest people on the face of the earth.
I was wrong.
Oh God help us.
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Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 | 11:43 PM
Very funny able. Glad to see you can still joke around with us, even when you don't necessarly agree. And I can't say I agree with 99% of what you say either, but I must say, it's nice to see that you have stuck around while all others defending lifewave have backed out. It is just so unfullfilling to argue for days on end with someone only to have them dissapear when the argument starts becoming rational. |
Dan
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 | 04:11 PM
THE PATCHES WORK!!!!! I placed them on my lawnmower engine and it gets 30% more power!!!! The lawnmower does not know it had the patch installed but it has more power, even when it's tired. I also installed 4 patches on myself and now ..lets see, I am... 30% x 4 = 120% stronger!!! If you don't believe me, ahhhh... buy them anyways. I works I tell you. I have a PHD in quantum physics, attained from a quality internet cite. The patches are NOT A SCAM but a real, true to life changing, mind altering experience. Why close your mind and thoughts to the limitless possibilities of how it can change your life, your future, dreams and goals?? I ate two patches today and had double bowl movements. The proof is in the pudding! I see the proof. You can also, by eating the patches, you gain inner strength also! |
Dan
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 | 05:30 PM
Two or three thousand years ago, history attests to how poop was used in the treatment of curing of wounds in Egypt. Not by hucksters, con men, tricksters, but by the best medical minds, those educated in the elite medical practice of that day. The best doctors at that time attested to the benefits of poop used in the treatment of cuts. The sharpest, trained medical minds used poop as the cure for many things. How far have we gotten and how far we fell behind? Cleverness, use of words, people with credentials buying into the dream of strength and power via a patch. Nonsense still has followers but thank goodness there is cites like this peeling the lies off the thinly veiled lies of those preying on the innocent and stupid. Many want to believe, many do believe, but in the end game, the lie is what it is, and believing in it doesn't make it any different. |
David Beckham
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 | 05:58 PM
Beckham wearing the patches
<a href="http://www.lifewave.com/picts/sports/beckham1.jpg"></a> |
David Beckham
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 | 05:59 PM
http://www.lifewave.com |
Joe
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 | 06:24 PM
I guess they work then. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 | 06:37 PM
David Beckham
or whoever this anonymous poster really is.
1. Why are both patches in the picture white?
2. If every football (soccer) player in the world wore the patches, how would that prove they are not glucose and glycerin placebo patches at an exhorbitant price?
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 | 07:07 PM
Guys,
You have to check out the European Operation. It's spectacular!!
"Energie- und Ausdauerzunahme bis zu 40%"
" ...was surprised. Indeed normally I had to overcome the internal pig dog after 10-15 minutes always. That was not at all like that. I had also much better air. I was not so except breath as usual. Sensationally!!"
Well surely that has to be the end of my scepticim? What about you WWSN1 and CMG?
NOT!
Enjoy |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 | 07:09 PM
http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.lifewave-euro.com/flash_verguetungsplan_allgemein.htm&prev=/search?q=David%2BBeckham%2BLifeWave&hl=en&lr=
Enjoy the show!!
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EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 | 07:21 PM
Better and better!
"Hello! Do you need more energy for family, work or sport? More simply - no Doping - nothing never was not to taking! Carry only two plasters on special Akupunkturpunkten over the day!"
Well, they innocently got the plasters bit right anyway (band aids in the US).
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EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 | 07:29 PM
It's all over guys.
LifeWave patches have been tested by two regulatory bodies. That's it then.
"Testing by 2 national regulatory bodies confirm that nothing enters the body. Clinical and university studies show an average 35-40% increase in energy, performance and stamina."
How could I be so blind? All those LIfeWavers were right after all!
"Formal double-blind placebo controlled studies were conducted at Troy State University in June-July 2003"
"At Morehouse College of Atlanta, GA. a study in November 2002 was done with college football players by Joseph A. Goodson MS, ATC, and Head Athletic Trainer at Morehouse College."
Yep, it really has a LOT more impact when reading it on a website from another part of the world.
http://www.onlypunjab.com/fitness/fullstory-insight-fitness+healthcare-newsID-43111.html
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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 | 08:54 PM
EDHUK said:
" ...was surprised. Indeed normally I had to overcome the internal pig dog after 10-15 minutes always. That was not at all like that. I had also much better air. I was not so except breath as usual. Sensationally!!"
Well, I've been skeptical about LiveWave all along but if this product helps you "overcome the internal pig dog," how can I continue to argue against it?
Is that German for "multiple personalities?"
I'm on the LifeWave bandwagon now! Right alongside Morehouse University. *snicker* |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 | 12:09 AM
Beckham is the world's most recognized athelete?
That fact must have been determined by the same tests that prove the patch works... |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 | 12:16 AM
hcmomof4 said"
"Beckham is the world's most recognized athelete?
"That fact must have been determined by the same tests that prove the patch works..."
Yes, they were conducted at Morehouse University. *snicker* |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 | 01:06 AM
In also seriousness, I'm almost positive that Beckham is the world's most recognised athlete. I did read a study on it once which detailed the most recognised athletes/actors/musicians and stuff in different countries all over the world, and beckham came out vey much at the top.
Unfortunately, for the life of me I can't remember where I saw it, so I can hardly promise that the source was legitimate. However, I don't see why this wouldn't be true. Also, it may not have been most recognised, maybe most liked or something. In other words, this post is totally useless and I've just figured that out, but since I spent the last 30 sec typing it, I figure I may as well post it anyways. |
Accipiter
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 | 03:05 AM
You're worried about your one little post being useless, Razela? Don't feel bad; look at all these people who have filled up entire pages in this topic without saying anything coherent. |
Able to fly
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 | 09:51 AM
Razela said:
"I'm almost positive that Beckham is the world's most recognised athlete. I did read a study on it once which detailed the most recognised athletes/actors/musicians and stuff in different countries all over the world, and beckham came out vey much at the top."
You may have seen references to the show "The World's Most Powerful" which picked Beckham over Tiger Woods for sport.
However, in a review of Beckham's book MY SIDE it was said that he was "Arguably the most recognised sportsman in the world".
I'm not sure if he is recognised more for being a soccer player or for his marriage to Victoria and all the accusations of infidelity.
Personally I would have voted for Michael Jordan as both the most recognised and the most powerful. I guess it depends what sport you follow. |
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 | 09:56 AM
I think it probably has more to do with where you live. Beckham is undeniably popular outside the US, but within it he's practically an unknown. Likewise, I would imagine that Michael Jordan doesn't have quite the same fan base abroad that he enjoys here at home. |
anon
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 | 12:16 PM
notice, the picture isnt up anymore. That didnt take long, and are any of us suprised 😊 |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 | 03:18 PM
anon
Surprise surprise. No picture!
http://www.davidbeckham.co.uk/weight-lose.htm
Looks like "David Beckham" is a busy boy!
Interesting that the info below is only seen on the cached Google page.
What, he got bored even before he got started?
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Good news if your name is Bonnie I suppose!
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