The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 | 01:57 AM
scubasteve11 said:

"Cranky media guy - You have not answered my questions. It appears that your wife has tried the patches for one day. Am I correct? What about you? Why haven't you tried them? If you are so convinced that they do not work then what are you afraid of?"

That's correct, my wife tried them. I did not. I was busy doing other things and she volunteered to try them. What difference does that make? Are you now claiming that they don't work for women? Who said I was "afraid" to try them? Since they don't do anything, what could I possibly be afraid OF?

"My worry with you trying them is that you wouldn't notice a difference because they really become noticebale when you are doing something physically active."

Golly, thanks ever so much for your concern over my wellbeing. If, according to you, they wouldn't do anything for me because of my alleged sedentary lifestyle, why did you send them to me in the first place? Why, it's almost as if you're desperately grasping for excuses or something.

"Plunking away on your keyboard, taking your online spelling and grammar courses, and having coffee with James doesn't count."

Yes, I took "spelling and grammar courses." They're called grade school, high school and college. You might wish to try some of them sometime. Am I supposed to be ashamed of my literacy now? Maybe I'm just lying and I really DID try the patches and only became smart since using them.

As for James Randi, while I have corresponded with him via email and spoken to him on the phone, I have never met him in person, let alone had coffee with him. Nyah nyah.

"By the way I am not making any money, nor is anyone else making any money for me. When I do sell the patches I sell them for the price I paid. (Did I get it right this time?)"

Can we please see some paperwork to back up this contention? If not, why not? Are you afraid we'd send it to the IRS? (See how that "are you afraid" thing works?)

"If you can send me that rabbit's foot you are refering to I would gladly wear it for 5 months if it does what the patches do."

I guarantee that wearing a rabbit's foot for 5 months will do EXACTLY the same thing as the patches (discounting the placebo effect, of course).

"Proof" in your terms will be out very soon."

Oh? When may we expect the results of the properly-conducted scientific testing you must be referring to? You are aware, are you not, that Morehouse College and NASA have recently asked LifeWave to stop using their names in conjunction with claims made for the patches? (I just wanted to spare you the embarassment you'd be subjected to if those "endorsements" were the "proof" you were referring to.)

By the way, if the patches do everything you claim they do, why do the makers have to resort to using unauthorized "endorsements?"

I anxiously await your next fusillade of unwarranted personal insults in response to these perfectly reasonable questions. Oops, there I go using big words again.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 | 02:09 AM
Oh, I should add that my wife wore them for several days, not one day.
Ryan W.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 | 02:30 PM
This has been bothering me. Where the hell is Morehouse College and why would anyone care what their athletic department has to say? Here's their description from their own athletic department website.

Morehouse College is a member of the National Collegiate Athletic Association
crankymediaguy
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 | 02:41 PM
RyanW said:

"This has been bothering me. Where the hell is Morehouse College and why would anyone care what their athletic department has to say?"

Well, the LifeWave people thought enough of Morehouse to pretend that it had endorsed their voodoo.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 | 02:35 AM
Le silence eez deafeneeng!
The Caped Avenger
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 | 01:05 AM
Maybe they've all got those patches over their ears...
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 | 02:25 AM
The Caped Avenger said:

"Maybe they've all got those patches over their ears..."

I just hope they remember to put the WHITE one on the RIGHT ear and the BROWN one on the LEFT ear. 'Cause if they mix 'em up, who knows WHAT havoc the "nanotechnology" could cause!
David B.
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 | 03:08 AM
But isn't that supposed to make them hear better?!
The Caped Avenger
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 | 06:06 AM
You guys are operating on the premise that they know their left from their right...

Shakey ground, methinks.

So d'ya think williewetsuit has gone diving - or is he now merely ducking the issue?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 | 02:09 AM
The Caped Avenger said:

"So d'ya think williewetsuit has gone diving - or is he now merely ducking the issue?"

I think he just ran out of "clever" ways to insult me. 'Cause, after all, I AM at the center of all discussion of controversial issues.
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
 Member
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 | 05:43 AM
Ohoh!! Nanotechnology...I recognize that. The Doctor and Seven of Nine used it to save and destroy alien species on Star Trek Voyager!! (Not at the same time of course. Some episodes saved species, while in other episodes the nanotechnology obliterated the bad guys.)

:roll: Obviously these people watch WAY too much TV.
Mark-N-Isa
in Midwest USA
 Member
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 | 09:33 PM
Nothing beats some free publicity huh? I wonder if now that these things are making it into mainstream news if we're going to see an influx of idiots around here???


http://www.theindychannel.com/health/4743640/detail.html

:roll:
Tank
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 | 02:25 AM
well I reckon so...I just did the survey on that page and 66% said they would try them! and a further 7% already have.
The person bein interviewed says "the patches contain just water, amino acids, sugar and oxygen"...what oxygen gas? or as part of the sugar and amino acids?
THey do at least have an anti patch point of view, except it doesn't sound nearly as compelling as the miracle patches. They should have pointed out that the studies already done are not worth a red cent.
Tank
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 | 06:21 AM
Maegan said:

"Ohoh!! Nanotechnology...I recognize that. The Doctor and Seven of Nine used it to save and destroy alien species on Star Trek Voyager!! (Not at the same time of course. Some episodes saved species, while in other episodes the nanotechnology obliterated the bad guys.)"

That's the thing about nanotech: it's SO unpredictable! That's why I was worried about people using the LifeWave patches on their heads.
The Caped Avenger
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 | 07:41 AM
I used to have a thing for 7 of 9....

... she had such lovely patches!
Winona
in USA
 Member
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 | 09:38 AM
I think she was the real reason my friend Glenn and I used to watch the show every week - we weren't that into it, till she joined. 😉
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
 Member
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 | 10:14 AM
:lol:
Ray Bradbury.

Can you belive she's had two kids and still has a figure like that? She's dreamy. *sigh*

Anyway: They should have pointed out that the studies already done are not worth a red cent.

The thing is, people don't want to hear that. They want it to be true. It's self-delusion in a classically human style.
EDHUK
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 | 02:26 PM
I hope some of you write to the News Director of the Indy Channel. I have just dropped them a line congratulating them on advertizing a wortheless scam product. Glucose and Glycerin patches according to LifeWaves own study.
http://www.lifewave.com/news_company.asp
11/23/04 Study Confirms.....
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 | 06:06 PM
EDHUK said:

"I hope some of you write to the News Director of the Indy Channel. I have just dropped them a line congratulating them on advertizing a wortheless scam product. Glucose and Glycerin patches according to LifeWaves own study."

I bet that, if you get a response at all, it's something along the lines of "Our story was fair and balanced. We included a person who said the patches were worthless."

The press has gotten SO lazy anymore that if they found a screwball religious group that said the Earth was flat, they'd say that including one scientist who pointed out that we have photos of a round Earth meant the story was "fair and balanced."
Mark-N-Isa
in Midwest USA
 Member
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 | 09:43 PM
I'm from Indy... so I've written them several times telling them about "bunk or junk" they've put out as "news." And, as predicted, I got the standard reply... blah, blah, blah.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 | 01:49 AM
Mark-N-Jen said:

"I'm from Indy... so I've written them several times telling them about "bunk or junk" they've put out as "news." And, as predicted, I got the standard reply... blah, blah, blah."

I'm sure they justify it on the grounds that it's successful. I'm dealing with the same kind of nonsense on the local Fox affiliate, KPTV, out of Portland. I finally got so fed-up with them that I started a blog that details all the crap they pull in the name of "news": kptvwatch.blogspot.com

Believe it or not, my stupid little blog is actually getting attention locally. I guess if you poke the hornets' nest with a stick, you get a reaction.
Terry Skidmore
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 08:53 AM
Nice to know there are so many sceptics out there who spend their time knocking everything under the sun without ever trying themselves. I'm a chemical engineer and perhaps the biggest sceptic there is. I was introduced to the patches one morning when I was in a particularly bad mood, tired from no sleep the night before and totally ticked off at having to follow my wife to a meeting I didn't want to go to. A woman there put two of the patches on my ankles which I allowed to get her off my back and late that night I finally realized that I had not only felt good all day from about half an hour after she put the patches on me but that I had been very allert, asking pointed questions and rebutting stupid arguments all day and by 10:30pm was going strong, not the least bit tired and in an excellent mood. Placaebo effect? I was not only expecting NOTHING from the patches, I BELIEVED them to be a HOAX and despite that they worked anyway. Hmmm, Has anyone else tried them on dogs or horses? Very visible and measurable effects in both and where does the placaebo effect enter in with them may I ask?
Tank
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 09:02 AM
My friend,
as a scientist you should appreciate the need for propper scientific testing...consider this: if these things really work then there could be side effects. I am not debunking this just because I don't believe in it but because I need more that faith to part with my hard earned cash, the more you look into this - I am interested in how things work - you find there is really pony science. You should revisit your scientific training and accept that just because you believe it works doesn't count for anything really. You should not write what you did and call yourself a scientist!

Dr Tank!
Tank
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 09:10 AM
also..

"Has anyone else tried them on dogs or horses?"

well that says it all, that you don not know what research has been done or not. Do some research yourself and you will find that these patches have not been PROPERLY tested on anything.

"Very visible and measurable effects in both and where does the placaebo effect enter in with them may I ask?"

Have you tried them on your horse? how do you know how visible and measurable the effect will be?
Terry Skidmore
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 09:10 AM
OK, Tank, consider this, the Lifewave people have completed five of 30 double blind placaebo controlled clinical tests and the entire reports are available on their website for you to download and read. The 25 studies presently in progress will also be available there when completed. The five completed studies are being published in upcoming issues of major medical journals, which as you know must go through peer review BEFORE being accepted for publication. "Scientific" enough for you "DR" Tank. Don't debunk something until you have read all available literature and tried them yourself. So called scientists for centuries have done just that rather than keeping the open mind they are so proud of telling others to have. A true scientist should know there are things not yet understood which do in fact exist.
tank
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 09:11 AM
those studies are not peer reviewed. they are worth nothing
to be blunt
Tank
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 09:20 AM
I have read ALL the available literature...have you?

Having a debate with you guys is just like having a religious debate. Loads of Dogma and not any debating really.

When there is proof I will read it with an open mind....I am happy to look at new things but not just because some one says. Of course there is stuff we do not understand but that doesn't mean that everything we do not understand is true! and if you read the 'science' you should see that it is waffle, not a new theory of anything.

you wanna get sarky about stuff fine. Just proves you have run out of decent arguments.


Tank
Terry Skidmore
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 09:23 AM
DR. Tank,
My wife raises AKC Registered Papillon dogs. We have a couple who are rapidly approaching 17 years of age, old even for toy breeds. They are normally a very spritely breed, good natured and fun loving. But these older ones are much less active and more prone to tenderness in various body parts as might be expected with age. With the patches on them, their activity level as we watch them run around our half acre yard, is indistinguishable from the two and three year olds. They jump over barriers, root through bushes looking for critters to flush out. They do not exhibit any of the slow, tail down, tired with life look that is more common normally and they eat with relish what is put before them rather than the picky, nearly having to be hand fed behavior which we had come to expect from them. Small sample? Yes, but well known to us. Subjective Observation? To some extent, perhaps, but extremely obvious nonetheless.
By the way, you call yourself "DR". I know a lot of southern preachers who call themselves DR who didn't even finish highschool. I at least have the degree from a well acredited university to back up my degree in Chemical Engineering, not to be catty or anything but I've shown you mine, now show me yours (:-)
Terry Skidmore
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 09:31 AM
ibid.
Tank
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 09:44 AM
degree in applied chemistry,
4 years working in Pharmaceutical industry
Masters in Chemical Research,
PhD in Biochemistry from a well respected British Uni.
Martial arts instructor, pressure points and all that are familiar to me.

I am open to new ideas and pleased to discuss all such but I will not be hoodwinked.

I have to prove that what I do works in all my fields of endeavor. That is how the real world works. These people have blown you a bubble and it will burst...already has on the 3 previous occasions when these patches were marketed.
Clubs2040
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 11:19 AM
I have been loving the discussions in this forum. I've been passively watching the discussion made by both sides. There was mentioned a number of times that "David Schmidt" the "inventor" of the patches tried marketing these patches numerous times before in other companies. Anyone know, by chance, what those other companies were? I would like to look into them and their history. Thank you for any response.
Terry Skidmore
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 11:59 AM
Thank you Dr. Tank for listing your degrees.

"I have to prove that what I do works in all my fields of endeavor. That is how the real world works."

I too, as an engineer have had to prove that what I do works and it has always facinated that there are so many supposedly well educated people with whom I've worked who have fought me with the same kinds of arguments I see here. Many of the Registered Professional Engineers and yet once they give up and I've completed my work successfully somehow they knew it all the time and were "just testing me". Yah, sure!

Apply your scientific method, buy some patches yourself, set up your own self controlled double blind, placaebo controlled study using children, small animals, large animals, derilicts off the street, sports teams, Olympic wrestlers, whatever. Once you have complete proven that the patches do not work having tested 30,000 individuals yourself, then come back and argue again. I love it!
Tank
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 01:34 PM
You see the problem here is that I am not bothered. You do those tests and send me the results as it seems to bother you a great deal. I will not spend a red cent on these products until someone shows me some proof of efficacy, that includes running some sort of trials.

In your professional life when you have won debates with colleagues did you do that based on belief or science? did you PROVE you were right?

"supposedly well educated people with whom I've worked who have fought me with the same kinds of arguments I see here"

and it is people with your kinds of arguments that I find very rarely in my professional circles. If you are suggesting that your experiences should sway me or anyone else as being proof of these patches working then I'm afraid you are very wrong and misguided about what scientific investigation means. The logic of the people arguing for proper studies on these patches is irrefutable...yours is deeply flawed.

listing my degrees or yours is irrelevant really. Someone should not be believed regardless based upon what their qualifications are. This can be used as a very effective a smoke screen.

I am not trying to do anything here apart from encourage people to think a little about what they are being told

sigh
Tank 😠
Clubs2040
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 02:59 PM
WWSN,

Thanks for the information, do you know where I can find this information for myself? BioForce, and VitaGenix?

Thanks
Clubs2040
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 | 08:40 PM
WWSN,

Thank you for posting the information I requested. I was hoping to see something a little more substantial, but it will have to do.

What's funny to me is, why would David Schmidt continue using the same company name in previous "bombs"? For instance, BioForce, it has LifeWave's name and "LifeWave Technology" all over the place. If I wanted to take people money and run, and then do it again, I would atleast make a new company name and entity?

I'm not saying these patches work and LifeWave is a legitimate company, I'm just saying that it is odd that he is using the same name for previous companies that have gone under....doens't sound too professional if you ask me. That or there is a valid reason for the archived web pages you showed me. Something we may never find out.

Thanks again for the post, keep us updated on what you find about the other company that David Schmidt used to be associated with. I would love to see actual data if it is available, company information, supplier of the patches, when incorporated, etc. I know that is a bit harder to find, especially on businesses that have gone out of business.
crankymediaguy
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 | 02:32 AM
WWSN1 said:

"You might enjoy this video of Lifewave patch inventor David Schmidt demonstrating how one side of your body is positive and the other is negative, using the muscle test."

That has to be THE most tired gag in all of quackery. Ellen DeGeneres actually makes a joke about that in one of her concert tapes (not in a LifeWave context, though).

These guys really never do come up with anything truly new, do they?
Steve Willard
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 | 10:28 AM
I was approached by a good friend of mine a couple months back that was selling the LifeWave patches. He wasn't coming to me to ask me to "join" up. He was actually coming to me to ask if he could test his distributors and friends on a indirect calorimetry machine that I use at my gym for other clients.

Indirect Calorimetry is a method used to measure metabolic rate. It is one of the more accurate ways of measuring metabolism.

He was performing before and after tests with people. The before test to aquire a base metabolic rate, then an after while wearing the patches. The tests would be performed about 5 hours apart.

I'm very familiar with results of my metabolic machine, but I never do before and after for people, so I didn't know what the results meant. About 90% of people that he brought in saw increases in metabolism from 7% to 31%. This equated to hundreds of extra calories a day. I was interested in the results so I contacted the company that provided me with my metabolic machine, Korr Medical, to ask questions. (http://www.korr.com) I was told increases like that was very rare when using products, non existent without products.

I then checked out some peer review journals for average increases for other products and placebo groups. The tests that I was able to find at http://jcm.endojournals.org that showed placebo results for indirect calorimetry only showed slight increases of 1-5% or decreases of a few percent.

To make a long story short, I do now refer people to my friend if they are interesting in metabolism results. I still don't sell the product or am I associated with LifeWave (dont' have time or am I interest in joining a MLM).

I'm definitely not saying this is by any means a "controlled study" that was done on my machine. I just thought it was very interesting results.

Hopefully this adds a bit more to discuss in this forum and perhaps how we could explain these results.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 | 03:05 AM
WWSN1 said:

"You can find "muscle testing" (also known as "Applied Kinesiology") used to prove almost anything. It's an interesting technique and there seems to be something to it."

Yes, Applied Kinesiology is the term I was grasping for. I disagree, however, that there "is something" to it, assuming, that is, you mean something REAL.

As I understand it, it's nothing more than a trick. Hypnotists use it at times to convince people they're in a "trance."
crankymediaguy
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 | 02:12 PM
WWSN1 said:

"The "something" to it may just be a pronounced placebo effect through suggestion and directed behavior."

Yes, that is my understanding of it.

"And where did Terry Skidmore disappear to??? ;o)"

Maybe there is something very mysterious going on here with the LifeWave patches. Perhaps they are somehow connected with Troy's Angel Light machine and all the users are disappearing into the Fifth Dimension. As the supporters are fond of saying, prove it *didn't* happen. 😊
Steve Willard
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 | 02:26 PM
Hi,

I agree with you WWSN, if correct protocol is not used, validity is completely out the window.

The people at Korr taught us when we purchased the machine about not eating large meals, or excercising 2 hours before the test. They even have us ask about caffeine and green tea. I ask those questions before every test and I have them rest an addition 10 minutes before I start the test.

As you stated WWSN, I'm just an passive observer. These tests that have been performed mean nothing in the realm of science and validity. You know what is funny though, these test are turning the heads of everyone that my friend brings in.

To repeat what has been stated in this forum time and time again, if only LifeWave could perform a correct "clinical study" and show similiar results to what I'm seeing....I'd buy the product for my gym. Where they don't have that though, that is a Taboo that I don't want to introduce into my business.
The Caped Avenger
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 | 12:41 AM
Hmmm... where IS Terry Skidmore? Not to mention snorkelpeter...

I heard a rumour about the 5th dimension - is that where the KoolAid comes from?

Has anyone done any tests to prove whether more Republicans or Democrats wear these things? Are they maybe just sattelite tracking devices? Are they the Number of the Beast? Should I not wear mine on my forehead?
The Caped Avenger
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 | 12:44 AM
Should I spellcheck my postings? Is spelling relevant in a nanotechnological society? Can one actually spell when under the influence of LifeWave patches?

IS THE GLUE BIODEGRADEABLE?

OK - I give up - how WOULD David Schmidt spell "sattelite"?
Waver
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 | 03:57 PM
You guys are too much. I don't visit for a while and all heck breaks.

Mr. Burtis, I know where the patches are made and you would noy believe it if I told you.
Waver
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 | 04:29 PM
Also, I saw on an earlier page in this thread where you quoted Rod Cook from MLM Watchdog. I have completely looked over his site and not found a single reference to LifeWave. Any idea why?

Instead of spending so much of your time on LifeWave, why don't you go after your "friends" at MLM Monthly. Their company of the month is Maker's Miracle which I believe has done done much worse things than LifeWave and yet you devote so little time and energy to them.
Clubs2040
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 | 07:52 PM
I respect what is being said, but I would still have to disagree with what was said about David Schmidt and the other 2 MLM companies that he supposively marketed these patches with. This whole forum is about providing proof about "things". But when it comes down to David Schmidt and the other companies, there are just a few old archived pages that have the name Bioforce (clearly a product name and not a company name) on them along with the name LifeWave. This clearly looks like LifeWave with a different product, not another company.

I don't disagree that there may have been other "companies" that David Schmidt marketed these patches with, but there is no hard evidence. This is one area where I would say "innocent until proven guilty".

LifeWave forums are all over the place, both for and against the product and company. If it were the same product under one of these other company names, it would clearly have been in numerous forums. None can be found anywhere. David Schmidt and LifeWave don't have the power to "scrub" all references to these "other companies".

So until there is more concrete evidence about David Schmidt and these other companies, I will have to disagree that there were other companies at all.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 | 08:16 PM
As this thread moves into page 13, and onward, the arguments for and against are well documented. Let us step back for a moment and consider what would have happened if David Schmidt had indeed invented an amazing energy booster. Would not the military forces around the world have sent their finest "pursuasive" representatives to meet with Mr. Schmidt to make him an offer he could not refuse? Let us be clear...he would not have refused.
Waver
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 | 08:35 PM
Mr. WWSN wrote:

"And, yes, I did quote Rod Cook. But you had trouble comprehending and understanding what I said. Perhaps your third grade teacher could help explain it to you."

I understood exactly what you were saying in that quote. I was asking you why Mr. Cook, who
is the recognised expert in MLM scams, has never had any thing bad to say about LifeWave? But since you could not / did not answer and tried to change the subject by using insults and name calling, I will ask again.

=================================================
This post has been edited as personal attacks are not acceptable on this forum
Clubs2040
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 | 10:20 PM
WWSN,

I'm sorry, I don't have any evidence to contradict the above statement. But I'm going to take the same position of everyone else in this forum....just because you have a statement from someone doesn't show me it's true. If that were the case, there are a lot of testimonials saying the patches work. (I'm not taking this side, my argument is just about the company).

According to the statement you provided, it seems that the two companies were unable to meet obligations to LifeWave, not lifeWave failing. This last paragraph doesn't mean much because we don't know what has, if anything, happened between the companies and LifeWave.

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just wondering where BioForce went? And Global Nutritions came up? I take it this is one and the same?
crankymediaguy
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 | 12:57 AM
"This post has been edited as personal attacks are not acceptable on this forum"

I get notifications of additions to any thread on this website that I have participated in. The version which was emailed to me included the deleted personal attack.

For those of you who haven't seen the attack, it was bizarre in the extreme. Methinks the LifeWave defenders are becoming a wee bit defensive. Gee, I wonder why. Is the house of cards starting to look wobbly?
The Caped Avenger
Member
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 | 08:15 AM
Aaaaaaargghhhh!!!

Denying me the pleasure of reading the "personal attack"

And then, CMG, you pique me further by mentioning it as being "bizarre".

Please mail it to me...
LifeVague
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 | 11:05 AM
Bottom line for me?

Lifewave makes some remarkable claims with no
viable research or evidence, and the "scientific
explanations" I have found and heard are little
more than strings of jargon.

However, my understanding of the particular technology involved
(alleged to be Nanotechnology) is minimal,
so I looked for the opinion of experts.

David Schmidt MAY be such an expert, but no
evidence is offered. And the resume he offers
includes no VERIFIABLE details.

Dr. Meyya Meyyappan (Ph.D in Electrical Engineering),
on the other hand, IS a recognized expert. In fact,
he is one of the world's most eminent Nanotechnology scientists.

His credentials? He is Director and Senior Scientist
of the Center for Nanotechnology at NASA
Ames Research Center, the author of 150 articles
in peer-reviewed journals, and has given over 200
presentations in national and international conferences.

And his statement on Lifewave?

"A quick reading of their website, as anyone who
has even just a little scientific background
will tell you, indicates what nonsense it is."

So, who should I believe? David Schmidt and Lifewave,
who offer me no evidence and no verifiable credentials?
Or Dr. Meyyappan?

As a business person who is continually doing
due diligence on potential new products and
individuals, Lifewave has all the classic warning
signs that normally have me running for the door.
And checking for my wallet.

Good luck everyone.
Clubs2040
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 | 04:09 PM
WWSN,

Thank you for the response once again. We agree 100% about David Schmidt and the need for LifeWave to prove the claims that they are making. This is of utmost importance for the company and its distributors if they are to stay in business longer than 1 year.

I would expand on our discussion, but right now I have a terrible headache and can hardly stand looking at my computer screen. Hey, how about these patches on my forehead? I'll post again later when I'm feeling a bit better.
The Caped Avenger
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 | 01:16 AM
OK - what do Lifewave and David Schmidt have in common?

Neither of them have a patch on Jim Jones...

NOW DRINK THAT KOOLAID!!
hcmomof4
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 | 01:54 AM
Hmmmm...there seems to be a Waver on Coast to Coast tonight. He mentioned the NCAA doing testing, and stating that the patches do not violate drug use rules. He managed to make it sound like the NCAA actually endorsed the patches...
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 | 02:33 AM
The Caped Avenger said:

"Aaaaaaargghhhh!!!

Denying me the pleasure of reading the "personal attack"

And then, CMG, you pique me further by mentioning it as being "bizarre".

Please mail it to me..."

I'd be happy to do that, Avenger, but I don't think I have the email anymore. It was something about calling the other person a gay crossdresser and how they shouldn't throw stones since they lived in a glass [something that wasn't "house" which I can't remember at the moment]. I'm not kidding. It was truly bizarre.
Smerk
in to mischief
 Member
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 | 02:40 AM
Glass Trailer, CMG.
The Caped Avenger
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 | 04:06 AM
Oh deary me...

Maybe I am a little twisted, but I enjoy some of the crud that these anacephalic weazels spout. Glass trailer, indeed - that is more than a little subtle by the usual standards, I suppose.

Unfortunately (to get back to the topic...) the bottom line on LifeWave is... the bottom line. And it is only getting fatter. By the time that these cabbage Patchers get with it, they'll all have a rash from the adhesive, strained ligaments due to overconfident gymming, and most importantly (for ol' Schmidtty) empty wallets.

There is an almost beautiful symmetry to it - it could almost be seen to be a form of natural financial selection. Thank the lord there is no cure for stupidity, or this site would be less amusing than it is.
Waver
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 | 07:11 AM
The purpose of my "personal attack on Mr. Burtis aka WWSN was to see how he would react to someone turning his tactics on him. Mr. Burtis is legend for taking something he found on the internet and twisting it to serve his and his sponsor's purposes.

Every thing I said in my "attack" was based on something found in a Google search of Mr. Burtis's name. Just like he does with his "reports" on LifeWave.

Two case in points to show that Mr. Burtis has more of an agenda than his his morally surperior protecting the public persona would say:

(1) Just 2 weeks ago Mr. Burtis's website World Wide Sam Network was accused on a major MLM message board of using software to harvest email addresses of anyone visiting his site and then selling the email addresses to spammers. Is that something Mr. Morally Supperior should be doing?he denied it, but offered no proof.

(2)In one of his crusades against a MLM company, Mr. Burtis totally invented a "distributor" of said comapny and even went so far as to setting up a fictious website of said "distributor" listing all the wrong doings of said evil company. Why would a morally superior crusader go to such legnths to discredit someone?

As for the items I mentioned in my persoal attack. I have seen pictures of Mr. Burtis dressed in drag. They are on a website he is written about on. I have seen reports on the internet of Mr. Burtis living in a trailer and having more judgements against him than he can ever pay.

Also. Mr. Burtis never did say why Rod Cook, who is reguarded as the word on MLM scams, has never uttered one negative word about LifeWave. I guess Mr. Cook is not being paid to try and ruin the comapny like Mr. Burtis is.
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 | 07:46 AM
Just for the record, in your point number 1, how exactly is he to prove something false?
The onus is on the accusers to prove he did do it, rather on him to prove he did not.
Waver
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 | 08:11 AM
The accuser, who has absolutely no axe to grind in the LifeWave discussion, visited his website. Shortly afterward the email address which is associated with her ISP but which she never gives out was over whelmed with spam. Someone had told her that Mr. Burtis's site caputred emails and sold them to spammers and after her experience she believed it.
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