MOH Forum: LifeWave Energy Patches

LifeWave Energy Patches

Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005

Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!

Category: Health; Replies: 5918

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Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 \| 10:07 AM GOOD NEWS! This just in: It seems our friends at LifeWave have found out about the $1,000,000 James Randi Paranormal Challenge and are applying. <a href="http://www.randi.org/jr/050605free.html#3">Randi commentary May 6/05</a> I get the impression the LifeWave people think this will be a push-over.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 \| 10:13 AM Spenblu says: "Like I said before, I don't sell them, haven't tried them, but I cannot honestly call it a hoax until I have solid evidence." Are you willing to believe any claim until it is proven false? I think you have it all backwards. It doesn't take a very precise BS meter to judge LifeWave Energy Patches. As a matter of fact, I am using LifeWave to calibrate my meter for full-scale deflection.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 \| 12:52 AM I've emailed James Randi to alert him to this forum topic. Gee, I sure hope that my goading the LifeWave people into applying for Mr. Randi's million dollar prize was the reason they seem like they're going to do it. That would make me VERY proud.
Waver	Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 \| 05:34 PM It seems like http://www.physicans.com is now on board as a supporter.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 \| 01:25 AM Physicians.com seems to be a site that sells those stupid LifeWave thingies. Nice deceptive web site name there, huh?
Pat	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 07:11 AM Yes, these patches seem to good to be true. I was very skeptical, but like to keep an open mind. I have a Master's Degree in Human Nutition with an emphasis in biochemistry and I am a Registered Dietitian. Being in the Nutrition field, which is full of schemes & hoaxes, my motto used to be "show me the science" I have tried the patches, mostly for my own personal use. I am 48 years old & run, ski, mountain bike. My husband & friends are younger than I am & I often have a hard time keeping up. We are going to Fruita, CO on a 3 day Mt bike trip with 2 other (younger & fitter couples) in 3 weeks. I tried the patches while lifting weights & did see a remarkable increase in reps. I did 14 reps w/o patches & 24 with them! I took the patches off & could only do 11. Yesterday went biking for 3 hours. It is hard to say if I had more stamina, but I have OBSOLUTELY no soreness in my legs today! To me this is remarkable! I tell you, the best part is I WANT to exercise. With these patches, my motto can now be "No Pain, More Gain" I'm convinced they at least decrease post exercise fatigue & soreness. Without a doubt, I will be taking them to Fruita in 3 weeks
Pat	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 07:16 AM Oooops! that's ABSOLUTELY, not Obsolutely folks!
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 09:03 AM Pat, Since you have a "Master's Degree in Human Nutition [sic] with an emphasis in biochemistry", maybe you can fill us in on LifeWave's claim about the, up til now unknown, magnetic field of the human body and how the patches frequency modulate that field to get their miraculous results.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 03:17 PM Pat said: "Yes, these patches seem to [sic] good to be true. I was very skeptical, but like to keep an open mind. I have a Master's Degree in Human Nutition with an emphasis in biochemistry and I am a Registered Dietitian. Being in the Nutrition field, which is full of schemes & hoaxes, my motto used to be "show me the science" Since you're so into "science," I'm curious--have you ever heard of the "placebo effect" and "double-blind testing?"
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 03:20 PM I've asked these questions before but I can't seem to get an answer: what is "vibrating" in the patches and what frequency or frequencies is it vibrating on? This should be easily testable, yes? Why can't any of the supporters of these things, who are so ready to tell you about the "vibrations" answer these extremely basic questions??
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 03:22 PM Pat, what institution gave you your degrees? Is it a real "bricks and mortar" place or mail-order? Also, do you have any financial interest in the LifeWave patches? That, of course, includes selling them.
David B.	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 05:10 PM To everyone with an 'open mind' about these patches I say... Save your money I recently went on my isometric exercise machine while after just thinking about these patches and did 35 reps at a resistance of 80 instead of the usual 25! This is honest to goodness true! These 'vibrations' are so powerful that just 'tuning yourself in' to them is enough. Even if, like me, you think they are total hooey! This is good news for the world, but bad news for LifeWave(TM) as this 'action at a distance' totally negates the need to buy this snake-oil in the first place!
Waver	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 05:21 PM Hahaha, very funny. I was given my first set of patches by my son, who by the way has a degree in Nuclear Engeneering and Physics from a large public university. He is now going for his masters. He had an open enough mind to try them and to tell me about them even though I "only" have an MBA and my law degree from a major university. I have had at least 25 people that gotten patches from me tell me stories you wouldn't believe about what they have done for them.
David B.	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 05:34 PM Funny why? I'm absolutely serious. After about twenty minutes reading about the patches on this forum my reps went up! I'm sure your son is very smart - and you are too [there must be some smart MBAs, I just wish they worked for my company instead of the drips we got] - but I'm getting the same benefits and it ain't costing me a penny! Guess I'm smarter! () Sorry for the MBA joke, as I'm in a technical role 'anti-management' humour is in my job description.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 06:14 PM Waver said: "I have had at least 25 people that gotten patches from me tell me stories you wouldn't believe about what they have done for them." You got THAT right! I wouldn't believe them.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 09:20 PM With all the wallpaper being flashed around this thread, SOMEBODY should be able to tell us exactly how these things "work". Just when was this magnetic field in the human body discovered? And how do the patches interact with it? How many of these believers have are making plans to go back to university to re-learn everything from the ground up because of the revolutionary discoveries by LifeWave?
Dan Stalfire	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 08:34 AM Don't knock it till you try it. http://www.cyntergistics.com
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 09:03 AM I think it's funny that even these people will their (alleged) education are buying into this. Do you REALLY think that even Nuclear Physicists (sp?) and Nutrition Professors are infallable?? They are obviously so much better than the rest of us that because they endorse the (alleged) product, we should all pick up a few. Hmm...
David B.	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 10:12 AM Dan said, "Don't knock it till you try it." What would be the fun in that?
Lifextreme	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 12:06 PM I just have to say the product works, don't ask me how i use the product i sell them, anyone that i have shared them with have had positive results. I have also had the opportunity to view a demonstration with a spectra vision machine with the patches on and off, there was a definite increase in energy when the patches were placed on the people, maybe do some research on a spectravison and get your hands on one and see for your self, the results!! Then you will see the impact this amazing product has on the human body!!
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 12:33 PM Did anything in your post actually make sense Lifextreme? Besides, as a seller of said product we should automatically discount your opinion. It's just common sense. You wouldn't trust a used car salesman would you?
Lifextreme	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 01:10 PM Obviously we have a member with greater intelligence then us all here, charybdis!! I mean have you done any of your own due diligence and actually did any research on what a Spectravision machine does? Never mind the Lifewave patches for a minute.. Maybe use alittle of your quick reflexes and look into it. You seem to have nothing good to say other than knock people down!! Just a bit of advice use some courtesy towards others, your charma doesn't rub off well here... Here is a link to a spectra vision site - http://www.nuvisionsforwellness.com/spectra.cfm Maybe you want to get a sample of some patches and get a hold of a spectravision machine, and see first hand the results,, come-on charybdis put your money where your mouth is!!! http://www.life-xtreme.com
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 01:46 PM You want me to use a device that registers my aura to evaluate a device that enhances my aura? Where does the chicken blood and shaman rattle come in?
Pat	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 02:37 PM Cranky Media Guy wrote "Pat, what institution gave you your degrees? Is it a real "bricks and mortar" place or mail-order? Also, do you have any financial interest in the LifeWave patches? That, of course, includes selling them." Yes, I have legitimate degrees (you can't be an RD with a bogus one - the American Dietetics Association is very strict & very conservative.) I'm with Dan "Don't knock them until you've tried them" I can't believe these things work either - but they do! I found the greatest effect was after 3 sets of patches, not just the first set - so many poeople who just tried tham once may not have experienced the full effect. I tell you - it is simply mind-blowing! Doing more reps may well be a placebo effect, but no fatigue & soreness after an incredible workout cannot be. Alas! My mind is not that strong! Actually,the general public will probably be better off with someone like you NOT being on the patches. It could be dangerous! I have no financial interest in this at all. By the way, CMG, can you explain to me how a TV or a computer works? Just because we can't understand something or explain it, doesn't mean it's a hoax 😛
Pat	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 02:41 PM (Darn - I wish they had patches to help me type & spell better!)
hcmomof4	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 03:13 PM Well Pat, just because I can't explain how a computer or TV works doesn't mean NOBODY can. (I sure hope a triple negative doesn't make for a screwed up sentence...)
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 06:59 PM Lifextreme said: "I just have to say the product works, don't ask me how i use the product i sell them, anyone that i have shared them with have had positive results." I refer you to the aforementioned "placebo effect." Have you ever bothered to try any double-blind testing on these devices? "I have also had the opportunity to view a demonstration with a spectra vision machine with the patches on and off, there was a definite increase in energy when the patches were placed on the people, maybe do some research on a spectravison and get your hands on one and see for your self, the results!! Then you will see the impact this amazing product has on the human body!!" What is a "spectra vision machine?" Are you claiming that it allows a person to SEE ENERGY?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 07:13 PM Pat said: "I'm with Dan "Don't knock them until you've tried them" I can't believe these things work either - but they do!" What does "work" mean in this case? Have you done any double-blind testing to eliminate the placebo effect? "I found the greatest effect was after 3 sets of patches, not just the first set - so many poeople who just tried tham once may not have experienced the full effect. I tell you - it is simply mind-blowing! Doing more reps may well be a placebo effect, but no fatigue & soreness after an incredible workout cannot be. Alas! My mind is not that strong!" Of course fatigue and soreness can be subject to the placebo effect. They are subjective and therefore are difficult to measure objectively. "Actually,the general public will probably be better off with someone like you NOT being on the patches. It could be dangerous!" What is this ad hominem attack on me supposed to mean? "I have no financial interest in this at all." Thank you for clearing that up. So, you are just an enthusiastic supporter of the patches who has NONE of his income derived from the patches? "By the way, CMG, can you explain to me how a TV or a computer works? Just because we can't understand something or explain it, doesn't mean it's a hoax" Whether or not I can explain them is irrelevant. The fact is that their operation is well understood by science. You are correct that it is possible for something not yet understood by science to be functional. In a case like that, however, it would be possible to eliminate possible reasons for their operation by testing. I ask again, have you bothered to try any double-blind testing on the patches to eliminate things like the placebo effect? I don't have enough information to determine whether the patches are the result of misunderstanding science or deliberate fraud. When I see someone selling something that defies the known laws of physics, however, I DO suspect fraud, I admit. In any case, the burden of proof is on the person who promotes a product which violates the known laws of physics to demonstrate that their device works. Ball's in your court, I'm afraid.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 07:14 PM When people begin their comments with their academic qualifications, we tend to think the reason is they feel those qualifications are relevent to the subject and proves they have the knowledge to make a judgement about that subject. Then of course, we ask them how LifeWave patches work and they say they don't have any idea. So then what makes you think we care what you took in university?
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 07:21 PM I have a Cruising Instructor Certificate (expired) from the Canadian Yachting Association and a Private Pilot license and I think LifeWave Energy Patches are baloney (in a polymer shell).
curious	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 08:47 PM boy, i just wanted to get an opinion on these patches i've been hearing about. i didn't expect to see such a seething, critical dialog, with insults & name calling. geez, you guys. get a life! i must say though, the testimonials are compelling, don't you think? do you think these things cause a cosmic placebo effect? maybe the inventor is from another galaxy & it's really the 1st test of major mind control of the human race. maybe we are all doomed!
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 10:03 PM Or, more likely, lifewave has been sending it's employees to this forum in order to vouch for the effectiveness of lifewave energy patches. They pass themselves off as just regular people with no financial connections, yet look how many random people who have never posted at MOH before have come on and posted here. Usually we only get a huge plethora of new members posting in the same forum when there is a link to it from someplace else. Makes me more then a little suspicious of the people posting here to support lifewave...
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 \| 01:42 AM curious said: "boy, i just wanted to get an opinion on these patches i've been hearing about. i didn't expect to see such a seething, critical dialog, with insults & name calling. geez, you guys. get a life!" Well, that just might be because at least some of these people derive income from selling this quackery and don't appreciate seeing it criticized. Have you noticed that none of them seem to be able to explain how the things "work?" Doesn't that strike you as just a wee bit curious, curious? Ask yourself how such a revolutionary thing, which violates the known laws of physics, was discovered in the first place. I mean, it CAN'T have been by applying some principle of science since they don't conform to any, right? So, I guess they were just a random discovery. Wow, that's a hell of a thing, huh? "i must say though, the testimonials are compelling, don't you think?" No, I do not think they are "compelling." After all, many people vouch for feng shui, astrology, Uri Geller, the magical powers of crystals, etc. Are the testimonials in favor of all those things "proof" that they work? If not, why not? Think of any "magical" thing you happen to think is hooey. Now go Google for it and see if you can't find equallly "compelling" testimonials in favor of it. "do you think these things cause a cosmic placebo effect?" That, of course, is a red herring. It doesn't require a "cosmic" placebo effect to get some suckers to believe in the amazing power of patches. I was married to a hospital pharmacy director for eleven years and I can tell you for a fact that hospital pharmacies stock placebos in various forms for doctors to prescribe for patients who demand medicine when it isn't warranted. Is there a "cosmic" placebo effect in action there or is there merely one on the part of the individual patients? "maybe the inventor is from another galaxy & it's really the 1st test of major mind control of the human race." Or, more likely, it's merely the most recent manifestation of a phenomenon that has existed since the dawn of civilization: quack medicine. Ever heard of Lydia Pinkham's Tonic or "magnetic tractors" (to name just two of the quack medical items from early America)? Ain't nothing new about quackery.
Waver	Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 \| 12:53 PM Wow, two whole days without being called a quack.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 \| 02:14 PM Quack.
Waver	Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 \| 02:46 PM Thank you Al, I feel better now.
Mark-N-Isa in Midwest USA Member	Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 \| 06:54 PM If they're paid to promote it they are a "schill" If they promote it for free... they are a "tool." Either way... they're definately "full of shit." 😉
Spenblu	Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 \| 07:59 PM I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN A SINGLE PERSON ON THIS SITE THAT HAS TRIED THE PATCH AND SAID IT DOES NOT WORK. Those fo you who have used it and liked it are waiting your time talking to these guys who point fingers because they have nothing better to do. No one is asking for anyones life savings, if you're curious, try it once and if you don't like move one, or you can come back here and get a group hug from the finger pointers. If it does work, don't waste your time coming back to say so, because they will always find something to complain about. PLACEBO EFFECT!!!
Boo in The Land of the Haggii... Member	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 03:01 AM PLACEBO EFFECT!!! Indeed.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 03:41 AM Splenblu said: "I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN A SINGLE PERSON ON THIS SITE THAT HAS TRIED THE PATCH AND SAID IT DOES NOT WORK. Those fo you who have used it and liked it are waiting your time talking to these guys who point fingers because they have nothing better to do. No one is asking for anyones life savings, if you're curious, try it once and if you don't like move one, or you can come back here and get a group hug from the finger pointers. If it does work, don't waste your time coming back to say so, because they will always find something to complain about. PLACEBO EFFECT!!!" That's right--everyone should waste money on this crap and make the quacks who sell it rich. Gee, what could be fairer than that? Hey, I have an idea for you: why don't you tell your patch-making friends to apply for the JREF Million Dollar Prize (randi.org)? If those phony things work, they'd be a MILLION DOLLARS richer. Then you wouldn't have to try to amass a fortune by nickle-and-diming the gullible. By the way, I haven't seen anyone on this site say that they rubbed manure on their head and found that it DIDN'T cure headaches, either. I guess that PROVES that it does, huh? Your "logic" fascinates me.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 08:50 AM Do these things come with a money back guarantee? And if they do, how can I trust an anonymous source who only sells on the web, in the event I find they don't work?
Waver	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 02:48 PM Yes, the company offers a 30 money back guarantee. You have to call the company's customer service # to get a return authorization. I am almost tempted to offer a couple of the skeptics a free trial pack, but I'm sure it would be a waste of my time and effort.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 03:50 PM Waver, You are probably right about the free trial pack. There's no way it would work for a skeptic since they don't believe in it. One thing I'm wondering about is, if the patches wear out after a couple of days of being worn, then every time you physically handle the package, they must loose some of their effectiveness. And if someone in a warehouse sits beside a crate of them to have lunch everyday, he could wear out an entire shipment, could he not? And what about the guy driving the delivery truck? He must be able to drive for days without sleep. (As well as be able to unload the truck without a forklift.) Oh, I almost forgot! Quack.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 06:42 PM Waver said: "I am almost tempted to offer a couple of the skeptics a free trial pack, but I'm sure it would be a waste of my time and effort." Well, you'd be wrong about that, Waver, at least with reference to me. By all means, send me some free patches (assuming, of course, that they are TRULY free, which means I spend NO money to get them). To what email address would you like me to send my snail mail info?
Waver	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 06:51 PM .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), of course.
Spenblu	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 05:35 PM Cranky Media Guy Said Hey, I have an idea for you: why don't you tell your patch-making friends to apply for the JREF Million Dollar Prize (randi.org)? If those phony things work, they'd be a MILLION DOLLARS richer. Dude you think so much of this randi guy that it almost seems his your boyfriend. I loked at his site and I think he's full of shit, he interprets the rules diferently each time to make sure he doesn't pay. While many of the people that take the challenge are probably full of crap, I think randi is too. Further more, in regards to your coment about how everyone should waste their money, it is my understanding that they have a money back guarantee. So, Media Guy put your money where your mouth is and prove them wrong, you have nothing to loose, this way I can find out if this things really work before I buy! Some friendly advice, get a life! you focus to much on the negative and therefore live surrounded by negativity, learn to see the goof in things every once in a while. Later! You can respond if you want, but I'm not coming back.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 07:28 PM Splenblu said: "Dude you think so much of this randi guy that it almost seems his your boyfriend. I loked at his site and I think he's full of shit, he interprets the rules diferently each time to make sure he doesn't pay. While many of the people that take the challenge are probably full of crap, I think randi is too." Your ad hominem attack says WAY more about you than it does about me. If you actually bothered to read Randi's FAQ about the challenge, you'd find that he addresses the issue of why there can be no set, unchanging, protocol for the testing. If you gave it a moment's thought, you'd realize that that it is simply impossible to create one, as everyone who applies for the JREF Prize claims different abilities. You can't test a dowser using the same protocols you would use for a tarot card reader, can you? What single protocol would apply to both your stupid patches AND someone who claims telekinesis powers? If you think you can invent a single, unchanging set of protocols that would apply to every claimant of powers or abilities that defy the known laws of physics, why don't you contact Randi and tell him about it? You would be doing us all a great service, assuming they worked. "Further more, in regards to your coment about how everyone should waste their money, it is my understanding that they have a money back guarantee. So, Media Guy put your money where your mouth is and prove them wrong, you have nothing to loose, this way I can find out if this things really work before I buy!" Sure, why don't I just mail in my money to people who are selling something the functioning of which they admit they can't explain? After all, there's NO chance that they will suddenly go out of business and just keep the money. Frauds NEVER do anything like THAT! Why don't YOU just prove that your nonsense has any power other than that of the placebo? You're the one making claims here, not me. "Some friendly advice, get a life! you focus to much on the negative and therefore live surrounded by negativity, learn to see the goof in things every once in a while." Right, why worry about frauds who take money from people who might require real medical assistance? Why not laugh off FAKES and FRAUDS who steal money by capitalizing on people's trust and naivete? I guess YOU find it funny to rip people off? Sorry, I don't share your sense of "humor." If you call that "negativity," I think you're misusing the word. "Later! You can respond if you want, but I'm not coming back." Sure, run away. I'd say that it was curious that you refuse to submit your nonsense to testing, even for a million dollars, but I think we both know the reason for that. Sorry you can't take the heat of legitimate criticism. Run, little man, run.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 09:40 PM I doubt Spenblu even read the whole Paranormal Challenge page. Because if he had, he would know that, in every case, the test protocol is agreed to by both parties beforehand. Therefore, the only conclusion that can be reached if they fail, is they do not have the supernatural ability they claim. Tight controls are essential in serious scientific research. This is to be absolutely certain there is no other explanation for an observed phenomenon. Without it, science books would have chapters on wacko things like ESP and astrology. But then, Spenblu must believe in things like ESP and astrology since he is such a positive person.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 \| 04:05 AM Captain Al said: "Tight controls are essential in serious scientific research. This is to be absolutely certain there is no other explanation for an observed phenomenon. Without it, science books would have chapters on wacko things like ESP and astrology. But then, Spenblu must believe in things like ESP and astrology since he is such a positive person." Oh my, yes! To question ANYTHING, no matter how pseudo-scientific, is to mark yourself as a "negative person." We wouldn't want THAT, now would we? I better not agree with you too much, Al, or Splenblu will accuse us of being boyfriends. Oops, I forgot--he's never coming here again. Now kiss me, you fool!
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 \| 09:42 AM Well, you are kinda cute.
Waver	Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 \| 01:17 PM Get a room guys! LOL
crankymediaguy	Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 \| 02:09 PM Waver said: "Get a room guys! LOL" You just don't understand man-on-LifeWave love!
Waver	Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 \| 09:49 PM I have noticed that I don't need Viagra anymore since I started wearing the patches.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 \| 10:25 PM Yeah. I can just imagine an Olympic sprinter, wearing LifeWave energy patches, running the 100 meters with a hard on. The only advantage might be at the finish line.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 \| 02:33 AM Captain Al said: "Yeah. I can just imagine an Olympic sprinter, wearing LifeWave energy patches, running the 100 meters with a hard on. The only advantage might be at the finish line." Sportscaster: "He wins the 100-yard dash by, uh, a head."
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 \| 07:08 PM I am now in possession of three sets of LifeWave patches, courtesy of Waver. They are very flexible adhesive discs (about the size of a fifty-cent piece) with a small compartment in the center. Some have a light brown or tan liquid in them, some have a white liquid. You are supposed to put the white one on your right side and the tan one on your left side. My wife actually did this, following the directions exactly. She reports no discernable effect at all, either good or bad. Correction: I just this moment held the patches up to the light. They don't seem to have any liquid in them at all. It appears that the plastic covering the small compartment is what gives them the white or tan color. The compartments puff out a little bit, apparantly due to some air inside them. Oh, by the way, James Randi talks extensively about LifeWave on his site this week: randi.org . Click on "this week's commentary" for the story.
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 \| 07:45 AM ...Enhancing your energy to perform sports isn't really sporting is it? I take offense with anything that claims to enhance your natural ability to do something. Because, if you were SUPPOSED to be able to run faster or longer, you would be able to do it naturally. Since you can't...you're pushing the design plans. It's like a car's engine. You COULD run it with no oil...but how long will it take before it blows up?? Just leave well enough alone.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 \| 08:08 AM Maegan, Let me play devil's advocate for a minute. Doesn't rigorous training also "enhance your natural ability"? For that matter, what about eating whole wheat bread or drinking skim milk or taking a vitamin pill? How far do should athletes be allow to go before it's not called sport anymore? CMG, You say there is just air inside them? Perhaps they are made with homeopathic diluted solutions. I guess I was wrong, LifeWave patches do use known technology!
crankymediaguy	Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 \| 02:09 PM Captain Al said: "CMG, You say there is just air inside them? Perhaps they are made with homeopathic diluted solutions. I guess I was wrong, LifeWave patches do use known technology!" Yeah, known-to-be-bullshit technology! I just held them up to the light again and as near as I can tell, there is NO liquid inside them, just colored plastic or something in the puffy part which gives them the white or tan color. Hey, maybe it's homeopathically-diluted air that's inside them! That would be what? A vacuum?
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 \| 08:57 PM Fascinating stuff WWSN1. I hadn't heard that LifeWave had backed out of the JREF Paranormal Challenge. I suspected that might happen if they were running a diliberate scam. They no doubt have some excuse like, "we don't have time, we are too busy developing our revolutionary product". At least one person on this thread has posted thoughts about what harm could there be if it made a person think they were getting some benefit from the product. Well as your site shows, some of the distributors are claiming cures for things like cancer. That's getting into really serious stuff. If someone were to rely on LifeWave instead of proven therapy, it could do a lot of harm. And if real medical science can't do something for your cancer, then these people are just taking advantage of those who are desparate. I consider them the lowest form of life in existence.
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