Well, that's what happeneds when men read a reverse psychology book for a woman called The Bible!

Hey everyme. I know this is a Priest mosetation site and all but Cranky Media Guy what religion are you? Are you Christian?If so what denomination. I know these are odd ?ins but thank you for you time and God Bless.
May St. Michael the Archangel Protect the One true Church.
Michael Vitale

Sorry, I don't believe in man made religion, but to get back to the point of this thread, there's no point in thinking in term's that the Roman Catholic Church has only a few thousand peadophile offence's on the lenghth of their long skirt's, when the whole planet know's the Vatican has it's diseased finger's in practically every underground criminal's hole you can invent on a global scale, includihng Freemasonry and Skull and Bone's, beside's rather large Vatican investment's in the field of man made Nazi science and experimentation! You are only skimming the surface of the Fake Vatican Virginal Roman Catholic Religion, acting out itself as the Whore Of Babylon whilst publically percieving to be the Virgin of Christ.... What an organisation of Schitzophrenic's in long skirt's, just as funny as paying to watch all the mentally deranged in Bedlam's Psychotic and Psychiatric Ward! Better give them Mary Jane, and get them off the Poppy Morphine to wake them all up from the curse of Nazist Hollywood!

I noticed how media guy and kaos both have countless times made fun of priests and persecuted the Church for having some corrupt clergyman belonging in it. If I own a wine vineyard and some grapes are rotting does that mean I should destroy all my crops and just ASSUME that they all are worthless, crappy grapes? No, I can not assume what is not granted to me and If I check all the grapes out I will see that this is not the case and not all the grapes are destroyed. So it is the same way with the catholic church. Can you really say since some priests have molested boys the entire chuch with 1.1 billion members and counting is COMPLETELY wrong? No and by the way Cranky and you KAOS have stated hat this is a site devoted to why priests molest boys and how that is wrong when people try to bring up how other religions have molesters/pedophiles in it when the title of this page is "Catholic Church as The Matrix
A Matrix-style poster depicting a Catholic priest as Neo isn't a spoof. The Catholic Church really is distributing these things. It's part of their new recruitment campaign" And also KAOS please do not use the Bible as evidence as it is blatant you are no theologian and twist scripture with you foolish atheist ways because all you want to do is avoid the truth at all costs.I.E. NOT meant as an insult. Just the hard facts comspiracy theory boy. Look a U.F.O.! PEACE.

No one, I've never said (nor thought) that all Catholic priests are child molesters. My objection with the "management" of the Catholic Church is based on the fact that it deliberately hid the offending priests from the police and the victims by moving them around to other parishes. That's called "obstruction of justice" and if the Church wasn't so well-connected, you would see bishops and cardinals being frog-marched into cop cars because of it.

Please don't claim that this never happened as it has been well established in several of the criminal cases against the molesting priests. If you look back a ways in this thread, you'll see where I provided links to news stories about this.

In fact, the priest suspected of molesting the greatest number of boys was moved to the Vatican, putting him out of the reach of American prosecutors. This is grossly immoral and unconscionable.

'I noticed how media guy and kaos both have countless times made fun of priests and persecuted the Church for having some corrupt clergyman belonging in it. If I own a wine vineyard and some grapes are rotting does that mean I should destroy all my crops and just ASSUME that they all are worthless, crappy grapes?'

YES! If you were a real vitner, you'ed do just that and burn out the entire field, as you know, infection and diseases left in the corner of a field, will eventually reinfect the crop time and time again until there's no goodness left in any grape at all! And as far as making fun of you is concerned, what the fuck are you on, Morphine! I certainly don't think that systematic organised child abuse is something to make joke's about! You're blatently making paedophile pathetic excuse's, which are classic divertive tactict's in the Ministery Of Defence Dog-Ma, and believe me, i broke my S.A.S. dad to bit's and piece's just looking in his eye, even though he went to malaya in 1942 for Wayko Burma Style training, and you and you're reverse psychology Freemason dogma shit is the fucking joke! So where have i written the joke???? where's the punchline???? Unless you're talking about you're Vatican's Condemnation of Jeanntte's, the Spannish type '$', that are known as May Polis, and you're Freemason Fama Fraturnitatis deal with the Europe and U.S. Military's Punch and Judy is the Football for the A.D.H.D, Assult Dad's Home Dromedary 'Ass' of a Wife Beating Club, so that DAD can fuck all the kid's for a Dollar, and make the daughter's their Scapegoat's in the all the Public Record's system's in Europe! A man made church has no God, only the left hemisphere Super Id, ie; Munchasen Syndrome, for short! And here's one for you to work out; who'se daddy would name their son a 'Nanny goat's Pleasure'? Answer: 'Zeigmond Freude' in German, got it yet? still jealous of a female shaking her Kundalini, then!

Nyx is upon us once again,
Let's throw a party,
Light a few fire's,
And make some profit,
Because the truth Dawn'd on everyone again!

Talk about prist's being frog marched to the prison's, what about the recent report only yesterday on BBC 24, that Athen's was in uproar over the claim's of a paedophile ring hidden under the Magistrate's Court's for decade's, and the Civil Service's doing a runner at the same time as a tool to put the public under forced opression, just like the SS did to the Jew's! And it's funny how only the 'Brightest' kid's are Tagged as Jew's in the Public Record's System in Europe to keep a fake religion in Da Vinci Indigo's, E-Nit!
So come on, WHY does the Vatican hide their paedophile Priest's around the globe then?? THERE'S NO LOGICAL EXCUSE WHATSOEVER, you just can't admit you're just an organised paedophile ring, dealing in drug's, money laundering, and beside's prostitution racket's RUN UNDER THE VERY NOSE'S OF THE JUDICAIL SYSTEM'S, is the BIGGEST ART SCAM via the German SS Freemason/Skull and Bone's Society's ketamine Experiment on Children that began in 1919! Talk about Global Warming, it's not the planet that's coming to the boiling point, it's YOUR FEAR of the imminant explosive bomshell that's going to explode into the Public Pavement about the your real Vatican's Rat-Singing War Tactict's, and underground Global paedophille ring's with the Military's protection! Now that ain't no joke, is it!

Ain't it funny, i've got the same evidance that Birmignham Magistrates Court's in the UK, also has a whore house and paedophile ring that's been running under the nose's of the so called Ass Backward's Judicail System for decade's too! Apparently, I don't exist in the Birmingham Soicial Service's record's, even though they've taken all of my children, and given them to a man I never married, and solicitor's won't give me the time of day because of the name 'Jeannette Thomas' on my birth certificate, the Vatican's excuse for their Scapegoat! Well, this is one Jeanntte Thomas that isn't Dead to the Lore of this planet, even though YOU ARE you half brained Alien!!! Jump on this '$' Rosslynn Winding Pillar with you're 33 bone's in your spine and see if you can dig up you're Ass out of you're back passage then, it's called the Apprentice Pillar, so get Shaving yourself on the INSIDE of you're pathetic face! and if you don't know the origine of this '$' Dolah, then you won't get no mercy for what you are! Pride come's before a fall into an endless pit! You're a FAKE Church of reversed psychology as a defence that in my Roll of a Book '$', will never hold Moab, and only children can plead innocent ignorance, you're just deliberately ignorant!

'Priest Mosetation'; funny how it's half brained German for 'Mo(l, as in Molly's)('es' x 'se', as in SEx + $)tation Priest Site, E-Nit!

Persecution! Where??? What the fuck are you talking about when you're Fama Fraturnis deal with the Skull and Bone's Freemason 'Let's fake history' Society, is still an ongoing Witch Hammer Program in the Military's Punch and Judy Show for your Nazi psychotic Hollywood Publisher's stealing from the Public Record's in the nazi Dutch World health Organisation's G.P.s Office scam. How to make it Bigger than any other man made religion in the movie's, as in neo poster's, and German Nazi Scientist's running the same paranoid tactict's in the media as they did in the 1950's pre run of New World Order, and we all know the Vatican's already put into place a satalite global sky show to sent the planet paranoid as soon as the global Warming myth is floundering in the public, and we all know whjat the BBC had to do with the SS since 1884, when television was first invented, and the vatican never existed!

You're a real laugh, The Vatican's been paying the Koestler Institute in Endinbourgh, Scotland for year's to come up with the magnetic equivilant as the May Polis '$', of which you call a Witch, because it disintigrate's you're entire Church right back to it's root's in Constant-in-Pole's, ie; a 4 square Magnetic Poler on the Lay Line grid of the Earth, and even the Vatican's invested million's into the Switzerland Kern Research Institute's mega underground magnetic drum, situated within the Lay Line grid itself to fuck up the Earth's Lay Line's Pole's causing Tzunami's and earthquake's resulting in major flooding and weather disturbance's, and employ's only Freemason Member's that deal directly with YOU! So what are you after? forgiveness? mercy? do you want us to go to sleep so that you wont have to face the truth about yourselve's and you're fucked up psychotic half brained obsessional belief's in fucking children up their backside's to get a perfect pitch like scream out of them like little angels so you can feel like you've felt the touch of Heaven! We know what you're guilty finger's have been into for decade's, you're entire Church Organisation has become the laughing stock of all Conscious Humanity, proving itself just another glorified Wayko outfit with Military Freemasonry S.C.A.P.E. rout's right through every paedophile Magistrate's Court system in europe! And only you're Work At Home Nazi Civil Servant police and Social Service's fucking about with witnesses record's to cover you're guilty arse's with for year's, and that's ALL you're pathetic religion is!

I personally know Fr.Meyer. He has worked with both my sons and is a true inspiration. Why don't the rest of you malcontents shut up and leave him alone, as well as the Catholic Faith.

It is a POSTER, that's all. Can you handle that? Or are too small brained to comprehend that?

Mr. K, uh, may I humbly suggest that the best way to make your point is NOT to make gratuitous insults about people, especially the first (?) time you post something?

By the way, you don't happen to live in the Lehigh Valley area of Pennsylvania, do you?

kAOS, MEDIA gUY- GET A LIFE. By the way you and all others who agree with you kaos & Media Guy- I think you should join Westboro Baptist Church.You all will fit in with them their in Topeka Kansas, away from us SANE people. Catholicism is RIGHT, in the Bible it says the true church will face persecution so thank you for just affirming Catholicism is the one true faith. Peace!

"God," your logic is irrational. Apparantly since I rightly condemn the hierarchy of the Catholic Church for covering for pedophile priests, I should join the Westboro Baptist Church (the "God hates fags" people). Huh?

"Catholicism is RIGHT, in the Bible it says the true church will face persecution so thank you for just affirming Catholicism is the one true faith."

Even IF we accept the Bible as the "word of God" (a HUGE if), it has apparantly escaped your attention that the Catholic Church is far from the only church which has experienced persecution over the centuries.

I'm puzzling over how you see people rightly criticizing the Catholic Church for COVERING up pedophilia (a crime) as "persecution."

If YOUR child was molested by a priest, would you refrain from reporting that crime to the police on the grounds that it would be "persecuting" the church to do so? Yes or no.

If my child was molested I would report it. It would not be persecution on the CHURCH it would be punishing someone who deserves to be. When you persecute the Church though you UNKNOWINGLY say "all priests molest boys" this bible is lies, etc... persecuting the church, which is what I was talking about, not a priest who got what he deserved

Also unless you literally have seen these "cover ups etc..." then you have no authority on this consiparcy theory topic personally you are assuming what is not granted an illogical error.

"God" said:

"When you persecute the Church though you UNKNOWINGLY say "all priests molest boys" this bible is lies, etc... persecuting the church, which is what I was talking about, not a priest who got what he deserved"

Please show where I've ever said that ALL priests molest boys.

Clue: I never said any such thing.

"Also unless you literally have seen these "cover ups etc..." then you have no authority on this consiparcy theory topic personally you are assuming what is not granted an illogical error."

Please take a moment out of your undoubtedly busy schedule to look at some of my earlier postings in this thread. You'll see where I give my sources for the information that members of the Catholic Church's hierarchy covered up for some of the molester priests.

The fact that YOU are unaware of this evidence does NOT prove that it doesn't exist.

By the way, your notion that if a person hasn't personally seen something, then it can't possibly exist is highly irrational. Have you been to India? No? Then how can you be sure there really is such a place? Get the point?

Cranky said "The fact that YOU are unaware of this evidence does NOT prove that it doesn't exist. Have you been to India? No? Then how can you be sure there really is such a place?"You, , do not get what I am trying to say. India, is a well known place, there are numerous amounts of photographic evidence proving this theory- while you have some websites that are written by God knows who, and have evidence probably made up by a yellow journalist. (You might need to look that expression up-) The fact that you believe The Vatican has covered up these incidents is irrevelant. What is relevant is who you got that particular information from. Hitler said Jews were liars, killers, and evil and had been trying to cover it up for years. Hitler said that the Jews had cover ups and some of the people working under him personally confirmed his insane theories by saying the had seen this all happen over their lifetime. Does that make what he said true? Certainly not.The same thing happened with regular, blue collar women getting wrongly accused of witchcraft. Were they witches, no they were not. Now I'm not saying some priests have molested boys. Atheist, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist etc... At least one person from every single belief system have molested a child, and as much as it may hurt to hear this it is the truth. You can not blame the Catholic Church for having some priests sin. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" And even if you don't believe in the Bible you must still admit ALL of us make errors of judgment, but no one has the right to criticize another for just as the man he makes fun of has been irrational in his judgments so has the judger been of his actions at some time in their past. Now on to your theory that the Vatican has had cover ups of this- First define "cover-ups" for me. If you mean the Catholic Church gave some priests second chances after they attended confessional etc... that is not true. While they (the priests) may have resided in their respected Churches at a particular moment in time about 6 months to a year ago the Church not only fired them telling them they were not allowed to ever be a priest deacon etc... but had the authorities arrest them and had them face criminal prosecution. While some cases may be pending due to lawyers extending the cases etc... this does not mean these aformentioned priests will not be punished.
Fianlly to this comment that Cranky said "Please show where I've ever said that ALL priests molest boys.Clue: I never said any such thing." Try not to take everyhting so literal. There is no need to try and read between the lines. I'm not using codes so when I generalize a statement like that I am simply trying to make a point in the short amount of time I have alloted to myself to type to you on this website. Hope you have a great day! Peace and many Blessings from God, and may The Blessed Virgin protect her sons Church during all its troubled time. "God"

"God," you didn't even look at the links I provided to the articles about the child molesting priests and the efforts the Catholic Church management went to to cover up their crimes, did you?

Uh, yes, I know EXACTLY what "yellow journalism" means and I didn't link to the National Enquirer or anything like that. You would have known that if you actually looked.

"While they (the priests) may have resided in their respected Churches at a particular moment in time about 6 months to a year ago the Church not only fired them telling them they were not allowed to ever be a priest deacon etc... but had the authorities arrest them and had them face criminal prosecution."

Not true. I'm not aware of any case where Church officials themselves reported child molestation on the part of priests to the authorities. If you know of such, please give us links to reliable press reports about it. If you look at the links I gave you, you'd see where the priest who seems to have been the worst violator was relocated to the Vatican so as to take him away from U.S. police. That is indefensible.

As I see it, you have your conclusion already drawn and NO facts will change your mind. That's unfortunate; the Catholic Church DID cover up for the actions of some priests. Pretending it didn't happen won't change reality or help the victims get past what happened to them. Your concern should be for THEM, not for making excuses for the Church.

Dear Cranky, I will be happy to get those links for you- I'm going to be possibly gone most of this weekend so look for a message from me this weekend but I will get those links for you at the latest- Monday.

Sorry Cranky I just got back from a business trip around 7:30 E.S.T. so I regretfully must tell you I will most likely give you those links tomorrow, but I will try and make time tonight. Thank you for your time- "God"

Okay here it goes. First off here are five, count 'em, five websites proving MY theory on how The Catholic Church has allowed the law to prosecute these criminals in their churches. (If you want even more just tell me to, I've got about four more that I found "
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week525/cover.html

http://caribbeanhindu.net/Catholic_Priests.htm

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/207489

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0203/14/i_ins.01.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/2007/09/sd_diocese_settles_sexual_abus.html -

Now lets talk about YOUR websites.
1.Skeptic Forums is not a legitimate source to site MR. Media Guy. With all due respect to him, these people are like KAOS if he did heroine and smoked crack 50 times a day, excuse the harsh kind-of anagolgy.
2.You nalso cited a source "harpers" I believe it is. But on that same site it says Pope John Paul the 2nd (this was an old internet site from before he left this planet)said the priests in these scandals are in fact sinners and "regretted the dark shadow of supsicion" this has caused to be put directly over the Catholic Church. It also mentions how The Catholic Church has paid money saying that "While this is a regrettable thing to happen and we know money can not stop the hurt from these families we hope that it will help, even if it's just a little"
3.In your other cited sources the dates are circa 2003 and I'm sorry to say there isa thing called "time" that actually passes and well to be quite honest as is shown by just my five (out of nine) sources that a lot HAS changed since 2003.
Hope to hear back from you! "GOD"

By the way before you say it, because I know you will, no,I do not think money can make things better or make bad things disappear but it really is the only thing that the Catholic Church can do at this time (Besides prosecute the priests- which they are doing right now.) So while it was regrettable for theose priest to choose to sin in that way or sina at all for that matter the Church is trying to resolve that unfortunate issue, and really what more could you ask from IT.
"GOD"

GOOD POINTS GOD WAY TO GO. I'M A EX- PROTESTANT TURNED CATHOLIC AND I'VE GOT TO SAY I'M INPRESSED WITH HOW YOU DOMINATED CRANKY WITH THOSE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF YOURS!WOW.

Thanks man I've been online all day and I've been waiting for someone to reply to my comments so thanks for the feedback. Though I've got to say I'm a bit disappointed. When I got my new mail notification I thought Cranky had finally replied to my paragraphs. Looking forward to hear from you Cranky. "GOD"

OK, "God," let's take a look at this, shall we?

In the article your first link goes to, there's NOTHING that says that the Church took any measures to inform law enforcement about the molesting priests. Yes, it says the Church apologized to victims AFTER IT WAS SUED AND SETTLED WITH THEM. Big whoop. In case you don't know, an apology is often specified as part of the settlement in a lawsuit.

From your second link:

"Since January, Cardinal Law, the nation's senior Catholic leader, has apologized twice for allowing Father Geoghan to be placed in a parish in 1984 when the cardinal knew of his pedophile past."

Hmm, so an upper-level Church person (the Cardinal) covered up for a molesting priest TWICE, by his own admission. In case this is lost on you, this proves MY point, not yours.

Your third link is an article about the Pope condemning abuse of children by priests but says NOTHING about the Church having cooperated with law enforcement to bring those priests to justice prior to the law suits brought by the victims.

From your fourth link:

"Boston's Cardinal Bernard Law is the most senior U.S. prelate. He and other church leaders knew about Geoghan's pattern of sexual abuse, but kept it secret, hoping to solve it, and moved him from parish to parish for years."

The fifth link starts off with:

"The Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego has reached a $198.125 million settlement with 144 people who were sexually abused by Catholic priests and church workers."

Since you seem to have missed it, my point (which I thought was very clear) was that the Catholic Church had knowledge of priests molesting boys and DID NOT inform law enforcement about those crimes. One of your own links says precisely that.

Here was the sequence of events.

1: SOME priests molest boys, sometimes many boys and sometimes over a period of many years. Church officials, including Cardinal Law, knew about this but did NOTHING to stop it or turn the priests into the police.

2: Some of the victims, now grown-up, file lawsuits against the Church.

3: The Church says it will fight the lawsuits, which it claims are baseless.

4: The victims do not give in and continue to pursue the suits.

5: In the fact of the evidence, the Church settles the cases for millions of dollars.

5: Then and only then does the Church apologize to the victims (which it had previously claimed were lying) to save face with the public.

You seem to think that the Catholic Church deserves to be praised for apologizing to people who were hurt and exploited by priests after years of calling them liars. I don't.

To turn to "Mikey" for a moment, how exactly was I "dominated"?

Dear Cranky thank you for replying to my comment.
I am talking about the right now in my comments though while you seem to be stuck in the past. Here is an excerpt from PBS: "Cardinal BERNARD LAW: I made a mistake in assigning John Geoghan. I regret that assignment.

SEVERSON: There were other mistakes. Within the last few weeks, the diocese has released the names of 80 other priests accused of sexual abuse. What was once a closely kept secret within the Church has now become an explosive issue -- one that threatens the tenure of Cardinal Law, a senior leader in the Church and a friend of the pope.

Cardinal LAW: My apology to them and to their family and particularly those who were abused in assignments, which I made, comes from a grieving heart.


3: The Church says it will fight the lawsuits, which it claims are baseless.

4: The victims do not give in and continue to pursue the suits.

5: Then and only then does the Church apologize to the victims (which it had previously claimed were lying) to save face with the public."
How exactly does that disprove your theory? WELL, it never said once that I remember that the Church fought the lawsuits. Where, from what LEGITIMATE site did you get that info? It never said in any yours or my sites that the Church said ANYONE was lying about being molested. What the sites DID say was that a Cardinal gave a priest a second chance. sorry for all of you non-christains out there but Jesus told us to give second chances and to forgive on another. His apostles even preached in Acts that Jesus was the Messiah and gave them second- chances to become Christians. Christianity IS about second chances. These sites of mine only go on to say that "the diocese has released the names of 80 other priests accused of sexual abuse.: Right there, right there it says that The Church has given over the priests to the authorities. This is also what my sites from PBS,Japan today, and sandiego news say started this whole "scandal" idea. When they realeased the news that Dioceses were now giving away names of the criminals and handing them over to the authorities the press had a field day. And as all press does, to make money they blew everyhting out of proprption. They made a mountain out of a molehill. I'm not saying the priests weren't wrong in molesting innocent children. they were wrong, but the Church gave away those priests to the authorities. The Church did nothing wrong. They only did what they thought was best for the Church. They gave the priests a second chance and when they failed that 2nd chance the Church handed them over to the authorities. THE cHURCH DID NOTHING WRONG AND NO I DON'T THINK THAT "the Catholic Church deserves to be praised for apologizing to people who were hurt by priests ." I JUST FEEL THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU need to calm dalm down for a second and rationally think things over. The Church did NOTHING wrong. The PRIEST DID. Not the Church.

To the Reader:Please excuse my sloppy spelling in the above paragraph

How were you dominated? SEE ""GOD'S" Last paragraph to you made a 3:28 a.m. It truly shows that all the Catholic Church was doing was giving those priests a second chance, a clean state. And as "GOD" SAYS "sorry for all of you non-christains out there but Jesus told us to give second chances and to forgive on another. His apostles even preached in Acts that Jesus was the Messiah and gave them second- chances to become Christians. Christianity IS about second chances. These sites of mine only go on to say that "the diocese has released the names of 80 other priests accused of sexual abuse.: Right there, right there it says that The Church has given over the priests to the authorities. AND HE GOES ON TO SAY "When they realeased the news that Dioceses were now giving away names of the criminals and handing them over to the authorities the press had a field day. And as all press does, to make money they blew everyhting out of proprption. They made a mountain out of a molehill. I'm not saying the priests weren't wrong in molesting innocent children. they were wrong, but the Church gave away those priests to the authorities. The Church did nothing wrong. They only did what they thought was best for the Church. They gave the priests a second chance and when they failed that 2nd chance the Church handed them over to the authorities. THE cHURCH DID NOTHING WRONG AND NO I DON'T THINK THAT "the Catholic Church deserves to be praised for apologizing to people who were hurt by priests ." I JUST FEEL THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU need to calm dalm down for a second and rationally think things over. The Church did NOTHING wrong. The PRIEST DID. Not the Church." God bless you "GOD" WHOMEVER YOU MAY BE.

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