Someone asked what "unitive" meant so I told them. And if you don't want to be talked down to don't come into a conversation asking stupid questions.

If you would have used my logic and applied it to the cat and human thing you would have ended up with this result. The action of having a face, feet, and a name is shared by both cats and humans. It would be nice if someone else had taken logic courses so I could just write it out in symbolic logic.

If they're having sex with a condemn or contraception I think it is wrong. If they have natural sex and don't have a kid that's okay. But, they cannot intentional put some unnatural barrier between the two egg and sperm.

One person said a good reason to not be christian was due to the fact that sex without the possibilty of children is wrong.

Catholic priests that sexually abuse children have hurt the image of priests that are not child molesters. I don

Less than 2% of clergy have been accused of sexual abuse. The same numbers could be found in any other job. But nobody cares if a plumber, painter, banker, general manager does it because they are not tied to Catholics. People who are not Catholics generally have a distaste for Catholics and I don't know why that is. Someone who lives by the Catholic faith should be nothing but a pleasant person to enconuter and yet society hates us. Why is that?

How did your homosexual neighbor have kids? Just curious not gay-bashing or anything as I was accused of earlier.

I don't hate Catholics but my wife and I have a big problem with adults that molest kids. We both believe that a molester should be in prison to keep a community safe. We are not concerned if a molester is Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, Buddhist, male/female, or his/her occupation. Neither are we concerned about the % of molesters in any faith. My wife is afraid because she doesn't want anybody to harm the kids. I think that the world is more dangerous now than when I was growing up, so we are mindful where the kids go and who they hang out with. They reallly keep us on our toes but they are lots of fun to raise.

Our neighbor was married to a woman at one time but I don't know the details of their divorce. He has custody and his former wife visits regularly and they appear to be good friends. I think that she may be a recovering alcoholic? They both clearly care for and participate in having a good relationship with their kids. The kids look like both parents so I can only assume that they engaged in sex when they were married and the births followed. The thing about a goat is too much for me to handle. We really care about our neighbor and his kids and he has invited us to attend his church. He is Episcopalian. I attended a Catholic HS but I am not Catholic. Sometimes I attend the Greek Orthodox Church.

The reason I focused on Catholic priests is because I thought that this conversation was about a poster and the Catholic Church. Arni

Adam said:

"Less than 2% of clergy have been accused of sexual abuse. The same numbers could be found in any other job."

Where did you get that "statistic" from, or did you just make it up? It may or may not be true, but I would like to know where it came from.

But nobody cares if a plumber, painter, banker, general manager does it because they are not tied to Catholics."

Oh? Again, where are you getting this from? I see stories all the time on my local Fox TV affiliate's news about child molestation (they're a wee bit obsessed with that kind of thing). Yes, they've talked about child molesting priests, but they've also talked about non-priests. Are you just making up your "facts?"

"People who are not Catholics generally have a distaste for Catholics and I don't know why that is. Someone who lives by the Catholic faith should be nothing but a pleasant person to enconuter and yet society hates us. Why is that?"

For the third time, where are you getting this "fact" from? What makes you think that society in general hates Catholics (other than the Vatican-protected child molesting priests, that is)? What evidence do you have for your contention(s)? Unfortunately for you, this debate is not "faith-based." Put up or shut up, please.

Adam said:

"Someone asked what "unitive" meant so I told them. And if you don't want to be talked down to don't come into a conversation asking stupid questions."

I was that person, as you'd know if you were paying attention. I'll repeat what I said: For all I knew, the word "unitive" has some special meaning in your belief system. That, as I have already explained to you, was what I was asking about.

"If you would have used my logic and applied it to the cat and human thing you would have ended up with this result. The action of having a face, feet, and a name is shared by both cats and humans. It would be nice if someone else had taken logic courses so I could just write it out in symbolic logic."

It would be even nicer if you had paid attention during those classes. Yes, you made an comparison between homosexuals and animals. You then drew a ridiculous CONCLUSION based on that comparison. I was showing you how silly that was by "demonstrating" that cats and humans have similar features and are therefore equal. That is exactly what you did. You are unable to see that, I believe, because of your religious tenets. You have drawn a conclusion that you will not challenge, no matter what.

"If they're having sex with a condemn or contraception I think it is wrong. If they have natural sex and don't have a kid that's okay. But, they cannot intentional put some unnatural barrier between the two egg and sperm."

First off, I see two mistakes in spelling in that single paragraph. You may wish to be a little less critical of others (especially when they ask what YOU mean by a word) when you have such trouble with the language.

Secondly, you are, of course, entirely within your rights to have whatever bizarre beliefs you want to; you should, I believe, be a little less hasty to criticize others who don't share your fringe beliefs. I'm willing to bet that the majority of Americans do NOT believe that it is "wrong" for a married man to wear a condom when having intercourse with his wife.

"One person said a good reason to not be christian was due to the fact that sex without the possibilty of children is wrong."

A good reason to be a Christian is that it keeps you from having to think for yourself.

You can only talk to idiots for so long. Before you just have to lose hope in the ignorant ones. Well, see you later.

Here are some facts gathered by USA today. Be sure to scroll to the priests section and read the facts. Then go to were it says ministers and read the disturbing facts about protestan ministers. Now tell me who should be in the news. Then go on to the rest and read the conclusion. Then you can apologize if you feel the need to.

http://www.catholicleague.org/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm

Please the pictures of the following sexuallly abused children respectfully:

http://www.survivorsfirst.org/gallery/index.html

STATE BY STATE PRIEST DATABASE:

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/

BAD PRIEST, NO DONUT!

Humpty Dumpty Priests!

CATHOLIC NUNS SCREWING AROUND TO!!!

http://www2.xlibris.com/bookstore/bookdisplay.asp?bookid=1201

BAD NUN, NO DONUT!

HUMPTY DUMPTY NUNS...PLEASE SPLAIN!

PHOTOS OF PEDOPHILE PRIESTS FOR YOUR VIEWING:

http://www.enquirer.com/priests/

GET A GOOD LOOK AT A FEW THE ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST OFFENDERS. HOW CAN ANYBODY TRULY ESPLAIN THIS ROMAN CATHOLIC SCANDAL?

LADIES & GENTS, PHOTOS OF DEVILS! SENT THE PICS ALL OVER THE WORLD OF SCUMBAG CATHOLIC MOLESTERS:

http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/extras/removed_list.htm

THEY CAN RUN BUT THEY CANNOT HIDE!

HUMPTY DUMPTY BOYS! BUSTED! HOORAY!

To: Mr. Adam

Why are you so mean? It look like you want to be appreciate but then you call people name. You may be smart but when you try to prove that everybody molest the children and not just Catholic, you seem like you try to conquer anybody that disagree with you and make it look like they are stupid. Whats about the prayer for them? I don

Hello,
Thank you for your criticism. But it gets very difficult when people everywhere bash me for being Catholic because the media blows the scandals out of proportion. It is not just priests in fact Catholic priests are doing the best at it out of anyone. But that storyline doesn't sell. So people are making money out of shaming my Church. And I don't think that is fair at all. Why can't people be nice to us? And in China the Catholic Church is being persecuted. The government kills Catholics all the time. But that doesn't make the news. The world is full of injustice I would just like it to balance to justice and close the mass media because they turn everyone on everyone.

Hello to Mr. Mark:

The Chinese government hate everybody, not just Catholic. The soldiers kill many innocent people such as student, political dissident, ntellectual and many mental ill people. Many Tibetan Buddhist have been kill. Government want to give appearance of acepting diversity in the population but that is propaganda for outsider world. Believe it, the government look down upon everybody and not trusting any citizen.
There is more freedom for faith in Shanghai and Hong Kong. Hong Kong is international city, and the government must be very careful to avoid protest. Government not wish to scare away tourist money because many tourist are Christian and go to church in Hong Kong when they visit for holiday. Still, even the tourist is watch by police and other people. You don

Funny? Sad? Sick? Perverted? Hypocrites? You tell me!

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/08/again-father-again.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/cgi-bin/bi/dallas/2002/priests.cgi

Protect Children, Not Pedophiles!

.2% -.7% of priests are pedarasts... practically nothing

Well, well, well, it appears that Rabbi's & Cantors are nasty to: http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/clergyabuse.html

I was shocked to read about JEWISH pedophiles? It's not just Catholic priests. What next? BUDDHISTS, HINDUS, WHAT ELSE? ARE ANY CHILDREN SAFE?

The truth shall set you free. Cut the crap folks, Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Prostestants, Buddhists, Hindus and others molest children. In a lifetime, the average molester is said to abuse up to 125 children. That is alot of children per molester. Forget the particular religion, if they molest children, what do think should happen to them?
Treatment is not supposed to help but I don't know, maybe it does? What the hell is the treatment? What's the fuss about a poster when children are still being molested? A recruitment poster is one thing, but fucking over children is an entirely different matter. I must agree that it is curious that there are not too many stories about Rabbi's & Imams screwing over children, at least not as many stories as there are about Priests? How come?

Adam said:

".2% -.7% of priests are pedarasts... practically nothing"

Where are you getting this alleged statistic from?

Even if there's any accuracy to it, it's probably MORE accurate to say that .2-.7% of priests are pederasts who GOT CAUGHT. There's no actual way to determine how many haven't been caught.

Besides, if YOUR child was molested by a priest, would that number give you any comfort?

I suspect that much of the anger at the Catholic Church is because they systematically tried to cover up the crimes committed by priests. Are you saying that you can't understand why people would be outraged by that?

Cranky...I can't believe that Adam is a father of children. I don't even think that he is married unless it's to Jesus. He is wrapped up in wishful thinking with regard to priests. He also like to cry about Catholic hating? He defends the church and gives the impression of being more concerned with protecting his church and not children. I'm not sure? What t his argument does is shift the focus away from Father Jonathan and his spooky poster. Since I can find no accusations against Fr. Jonathan, I will assume that he is a decent guy. I doubt that he intended to invite so much controvery but he did. Cranky, lay off Adam, I think that he is really hurting about something and it's not about you. I don't think that he hates Gay people but I think that he is afraid of Gay people. Hard to tell? What do you think Cranky? Maybe some Adam and Steve going on here that he's not aware of yet? Go Cranky, tell it like it is. Adam is not going away but he at least is not hiding his own opinions and like that about him.

Jenna, why don't you go find yourself a nice moist rock and crawl under. What kind of creep are you anyway? Or, maybe go back to the streets with the rest of the ho's...just kidding!

Jesus is dead anyway so what's the fuss? Nooky is alive and the clergy know where to find it. What's new?

Well, you've got to look into the Catholic's interpretation of the word 'Loverboy' to find out why they have the same system of belief as Oliver Crowely when it come's to their real ritual's of initiation of children into the church. Their interpretation of Revelation's 22; the spirit and the Bride, is logically what it say's, a Tomboy! But the religion the Vatican has followed for centuries is a reversed process of interpretation of the scripture's, under the public masquerade of a virginal Church of God, or rather, their Satanic rite's! They believe in the same interpretation's of the text's as the Freemasons, where they act out every satanic abuse they can think of in the belief that they have overcome the devil! But what they didn't get from the original text's that's is quite simple that even a child can do it, and that's simply, that witnessing evil with aversion, is more powerful than acting it out like a reprobate monkey with a stick!

Interesting. The Matrix is about Gnosticism...

Perhaps the inner core of the catholic church is more accepting of the Gospels of Thomas than they have let on.

Ka-Os: Do you have a simpler version of what you're saying so that I can understand you? Oliver Crowely, Loverboy, Tomboy, Freemasons? I found a lot about Freemasons but the other stuff you're talking about I don't understand. Unless of course, this is all about Satanic rituals and the sexual torture of children by Catholic clergy, 666, the beast, etc.? Ta-Ta....02% Where do the homos fit in like Adam suggests? Opinion please...

No such thing. The Gospels of Thomas = heresy.
Adam is Ukixxoc - cock!

The Gospel of Thomas relate's to the Old Testament Edom, and the duel meaning is the name mean's "twin's", and refer's to the body and the soul being identical in the process of metempsychosis as portraid in Genesis 32:32, where Jacob meet's God "face to face", known as the King's Mirror in Celtic Mythology. So logically, Adam does not refer to a man's cock, unless you're being fed a reverse psychology system of lack of conscious awarness of the self, and have been Pavloved with the hard core flesh video bombardment treatment to kill off you're aversion's to shagging anything! I have a whole 5 year's worth of my Freemason husband's diary of the same system of Pavlov Dog's visual conditioning treatment, by his Freemason brother who was also in the British Army, and he was going to be a Catholic Priest! So don't knock the fact that the Nature V's Nurture Freemason debate is still going on within the UK system, when for the past 500 year's the English languedge was sabotarged by the Swiss/Garman's half brained education, resulting in a reversed social order education system in the UK and US. I have factual evidance that Cambridge University have been educating student's with Germanised reversed condition information to stop them spotting child abuse victim's in the GP's surgary's for year's hidding the Freemasonry abuse's in the family's, and this is where the Vatican get's their sheet's laundered within the health service system's in the UK and US, it's fact! The Vatican has had deal's with the Freemasons, Illuminati, Rothschild's, the Mafia, etc; which has been going on for hundred's of year's, and the whole system was designed to house the world's most corrupted satanic abuse system right under the nose's of the rest of us that wont join in with their lack of adult self controle! As Jesus spoke in the New Testament, "All is spiritual", so where the hell does everyone get physical sex from unless you're brain damaged already?

Well now, Adam can go lick a spoon. Shush....Ka-Os, he may be listening.

What is this business about Ka-Os, when Adam says that 000002%-00007% is a mere nothing? I think that Adam is clergy that wants to maintain the corrupt Catholic structure and share power with the peons that are the church. That's a nooky bird for you. Do you suspect that he may be a pedi
and wants to keep his activities secret? YUP...since we haven't heard from him, maybe he's helping out in New Orleans, rescuing children...

You guys have no right to talk so badly about the Roman Catholic Church. The Church has produced hundreds, if not thousands, of saints and just because some of her members screw up doesn't mean that the Church isn't a wonderful gift from God, the only way to heaven (yes, I believe that it is the one true church). That's pretty arrogant of you, Ka~Os, to say that you're more moralistic than Holy Mother Church, especially with all the swear words in your post. If you want to talk about man-made religions, talk about Luther's man-made religion or Wesley's or Calvin's or King Henry VIII. Jesus Christ made the Catholic Church. May He have mercy on you - you need it!

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