Vampire Sites

Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book, The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.

Paranormal

Posted on Wed Oct 29, 2003



Comments

Posted by Rupert  on  Wed Feb 09, 2011  at  02:35 PM
"Anonymous,
Magister Nemo has created an organization that generates good income for himself and a good time seems to be had by all that decide to pay him.
That sounds very Satanic to me!
What organization have you created?
What creative act have you done?

HS!
Supreme, Satanist
Posted by Supreme in Dallas,Texas on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 10:25 PM "

Hey Powder.....Go reboot your Servers, don't you have an appointment for Glamour Shots?
Posted by Rupert  on  Wed Feb 09, 2011  at  02:53 PM
I noticed the mentioning of Douglas Harding's the Headless Way and of Advaita on previous pages. I am also aware that one of Amit Goswami's books, The Conscious Universe, is on the ToV suggested reading list.
Can someone elaborate on the relationship between the Advaita (nonduality) worldview and the ToV?

Is Advaita compatible with Satanism?

Count, perhaps you have something to offer regarding this?

Cheers.
Fredrick
Posted by Fredrick  on  Wed Feb 09, 2011  at  02:54 PM
Magister Lang words are great gems of undefiled wisdom. All who are intelligent should pay attention closely to him. Few here are worthy of even being able to read one of his writings, much less be in his presence.
Rupert, you are a pseudo-Satanist. A True Satanist does not slander any member of the Priesthood of Mendes. Satanic Ritual is real. Be careful where you tread. Do not start something you will be unable to finish.
HS
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Count, do you recognize me from downstairs? If so, send me a PM.
Posted by Odin  on  Wed Feb 09, 2011  at  05:16 PM
All of you are evil and twisted!
Satanism is bad!
Vampirism if done in a good way that is not bad, is not evil.
Cryonics is good.
Jesus is the ULTIMATE VAMPIRE MASTER.
He and Diabolous Rex are the HIGHEST of the HIGH.

Count, do you need to Saved?

HJ
Messugah
Posted by Messugah  on  Wed Feb 09, 2011  at  06:53 PM
Count,

I am your #1 fan! 😊
I just wanted to get that out there!
Posted by Count Fan #1  on  Wed Feb 09, 2011  at  07:00 PM
Crazies aside, if that is really Priest Lang posting here, why does neglect to note that he is a Vampire Adept in his signature?
How do Near Death Experiences fit into the philosophy of Anton LaVey?
Tell me how floating around in an astral body leeching off people who have recently died (while frozen, of course)is Satanic?
Recently, the CoS publicly removed one Devil Worshiper. Why do others get to stay?
Time for all these shysters to be shown the door!
Here, I will say no more.
Posted by Judd  on  Thu Feb 10, 2011  at  07:25 PM
Unlike the founders of other religions, who claimed exalted
Posted by Satanas  on  Fri Feb 11, 2011  at  12:52 AM
"Rupert, you are a pseudo-Satanist."

You are one to talk about Slander with this statement....You could only hope & wish that it was as easy as dismissing me as a "pseudo".

"A True Satanist does not slander any member of the Priesthood of Mendes."

Where did I slander Magister Lang? I offer only obvious questions and reiterate that fact that aside from his association with the ToV I have much respect and admiration for him.

Again I don't believe his association with the ToV to be one in which he believes or fully comprehended what he was endorsing rather he blindly offered up his reputation to somebody he considered a friend.

"Satanic Ritual is real. Be careful where you tread. Do not start something you will be unable to finish."

Please, you are a newbie....I have been downstairs longer than you can imagine, I have seen the likes of you come and go a hundred-fold.

This is a Surgical Strike, with purpose and intent....

Away with you now....go on now get!

LttD Sycophantics are Useless here!



Church of Satan

Card Carrying Member/ Warlock/ Priest/ Magister

"Lord of the Flies"
Posted by Rupert  on  Fri Feb 11, 2011  at  02:24 PM
"PLEASE make the Wolf's Hook ring (AKA awesomest ring in the universe) available again!"


No.

Hail Satan!
Magister Robert A. Lang
Church of Satan
Order of Fenris
Posted by Robert Lang  on  Fri Feb 11, 2011  at  07:52 PM
Magister Lang (perhaps),

Many people have started organizations that benefit themselves financially and give others a sense of well-being for having paid into those organizations.

We Church of Satan members and hierarchy that are opposed to the ToV do not fault the ToV for being a success for the Setian known as Nemo. On the contrary many of us don't fault the ToV at all.

The truth is that our problem is with the Church of Satan.

What we fault is the Church of Satan for endorsing, associating with and defending a scam organization that has blatantly pseudo-Satanic teachings. For what? The benefit of one man P&P happen to be friends with.

I don't care if Vampires are content with being rubes. That is unSatanic. Infiltrating the only currently legitimate Satanic organization with spirituality and scams is not "Satanic," just clever.

Read the above paragraph a number of times until it finally sinks in.

"Vampires" are more than welcome to continue on as insane and immature cretins, just not in Satanism as we see it. As Satanists we can have peace of mind knowing that others don't and never will "get it."

I trust if you are in fact Magister Lang you are more than capable of grasping all the reasons why someone who supports Anton LaVey's philosophy to-the-letter would find so many flaws in the ToV and especially in a CoS-ToV alliance.

The following paragraphs pose the challenge to you and your authority here, Magister Lang. If you want a sincere response from a long time Church of Satan supporter and member then look no further.

If the Vampire religion were instead the Demonic religion, if the "Undead Gods" were called the "Old Gods," if it were the Temple of Satan, it would be a magnitude more clear to you and the central administration as to why we have an issue here.

The terminology that Nemo uses in his work obscures the issue.

He is putting a spiritual spin on Satanism. If it weren't "Vampires" and instead "Astral Satanists" or what have you, you'd be up in arms calling it "Pseudo-Satanism."

Well sir, what say you?

Tell me how undead spirits, occultnik behavior, pyramid scams and theistic beliefs can be publicly associated with the Church of Satan when the Church of Satan routinely disregards every single other organization with such ideas and beliefs?

I challenge you to make a public statement on a site where we can verify that it is in fact you. If you can adequately discuss all of our concerns in a clear fashion, without just using snarky one liners and hollow dismissals, I think most of us will shut our mouths.

It is time the Church of Satan administration make a formal statement on these issues. You can, obviously, continue to practice the routine of denial, denial, denial while clear rifts form along the rank and file.

But I think you don't want problems in the Church of Satan. So take up my challenge.
Posted by Anon 1  on  Fri Feb 11, 2011  at  09:10 PM
Indeed to all of the above by Anon!

For C/S to continue to ignore our questions is cowardice and clear nepotism. C/S is an organization for the advancement of Satanism not an outlet of protectionist behavior for George Smith.

Make a statement C/S and resolve the issue. We have real concerns about the fact that Theists may be infiltrating our organization so it should be clear what must be done.

You must clearly and adequately deny or confirm our suspicions.

If you don't then expect a schism, soon, one the likes of which you haven't experienced before. You do have to answer to your constituency. You are not immune to questions and we are not beneath answers.

Hail Satan!
Magister (Blank)
Posted by Plag  on  Fri Feb 11, 2011  at  09:18 PM
Gee can I be a Magister online too?
Posted by The Count  on  Sat Feb 12, 2011  at  02:10 AM
"Posted by Anon 1 on Fri Feb 11, 2011 at 08:10 PM "
"
Magister (Blank)
Posted by Plag on Fri Feb 11, 2011 at 08:18 PM "

Yet another Rupert/Sand/Anonymous sock puppet. Your tactics have become as tiresome as they are ineffective.
No one has bothered to post one shred of evidence that there is any CoS/ToV conflict. (Other than some anemic lone "registered" member who simply paid $200.00 for a Red Card.)
The CoS/ToV conflict is a hoax that exists only on this website.
I challenge anyone to post any evidence of such a conflict on this list. As usual, there will be no takers. This of course is not surprising.
Oh Nexus, I happen to own one of Magister Lang's creations. Yes, it really is amazing. True magical items, such as that Rune ring, are available for a limited time, and only find their way to the Right people. You are not one of them.
Such is the way of sorcery.
HS
Odin
Posted by Odin  on  Sat Feb 12, 2011  at  01:44 PM
Magister ......Lang.
Is Lana your cousin or something? How do you feel about Michael Rosembaum's return to Smallville?
Will Lana be returning too?
Posted by Sock Puppet 1138  on  Sat Feb 12, 2011  at  02:57 PM
Quote: "Yet another Rupert/Sand/Anonymous sock puppet. Your tactics have become as tiresome as they are ineffective."

Yes, it would be nice and convenient for you TOV ASSCLOWNS if we were only one person. But this is quite far from the truth. We are many, actually, and we despise your pathetic organization and it's insistence on being a parasite feeding on the Church of Satan. You are NOTHING without the COS, and you know it.

Quote from the Temple of the Vampire website: "The Temple of the Vampire offers the hope for physical immortality through science, future technology, and secrets considered to be magic to enable the member to become healthy, wealthy and strong."

Predictably, they have changed their tune, once again. This doesn't absolve them of their past crimes, yet I find it very amusing.

In particular, I find amusing the usage of the word HOPE.

This is ALL you get for your time and money. HOPE, not unlike the christian HOPE for eternal life in heaven. Is this Satanic???? I think not. Don't feel bad though, you get a rented title to brag about to your friends. Oh nevermind, you aren't ALLOWED to talk about the temple with your friends.

Let's see... You spend hundreds of dollars to George "Cryonics" Smith for HOPE. He rents you a nifty title, giving you feeling of self-worth and accomplishment (which you apparently are lacking from the get-go). Then, you get bullied and brainwashed into spending a small fortune on HOPE via CRYONICS.

And, you're still going to die, just like everyone else, after these people rape you. You may call it HOPE. I call it stupidity, and in case you haven't herd, it's a Satanic Sin.

Bye-bye Losers! 😊
Posted by Anonymous  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  01:03 AM
By the way, what exactly is a sock puppet? It that the thing you TOV goons put on your hands and talk to as if it were an "undead god" from the astral plain?

TOV Member "Bow down before me!"
Sock Puppet "No, I will not!!!! I am an Undead God!!!!"
TOV Member "Sorry, my mistake! Please, please, please make me an immortal vampire!!!! Pleeeeeease!!!! Take me, take me, take me."
Sock Puppet "NOOOO!!!! First you must prove yourself by offering up your lifeforce to me, and also by purchasing a cryonics contract via Nemo's instructions!!!!"
TOV Member "I just wanna be a real vampire!!!"
Sock Puppet "You are inferior and weak!!!! Maybe one day you will join Our Ranks, but for now you must continue to kiss Nemo's ass and pay thousands of dollars for things you don't need!!!!!"
TOV Member "I don't know. I feel a bit overwhelmed..."
Sock Puppet "That is the plan, after all. We are Watching!!!!!!!"

*ends hyperventilation session in front of bedroom mirror*

*hides puppet in sock drawer so parents won't ask questions*
Posted by Anonymous  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  01:25 AM
Most Vampires are not C/S members therefore the word "hope" may apply. For the Satanist there is either certainty or uncertainty, hope is never a factor. Cryonics is a plausible certainty therefore applicable to the Satanist who desires more of a chance than otherwise. I'd rather spend the money and roll the dice than get buried in the ground or be incinerated in a furnace. Cryonics is a genuine heresy to most people as this thread shows.

HS
Posted by The Count  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  02:08 AM
A recent blog post by "Magister" George "Nemo" Smith on the Undercroft website:

BIO-ELECTRICAL ENERGY AND GREATER MAGIC
Posted by Magister Nemo September 5, 2010 - Filed in Magic - #magic #energy - 116 views

IN THIS ENTRY I WANTED TO BRIEFLY OUTLINE SOME THE DETAILS THIS CONCEPT IMPLIES.

One of these has to do with the connection with the cross-cultural, worldwide use of this same "energy" by shamans, fakirs, and sorcerers throughout history and the one "trick" all have used regardless of tradition.

Mana, Prana, and Ch'i.

In many Polynesian cultures, this force is referred to as mana. In India entire disciplines of yoga are focussed on the control of prana, called pranayama. In China for several thousand years the flow of ch'i through the body has been the foundation for an entire medical treatment approach using accupuncture and other related methods.

Interestingly enough there are clear etymological links between the ancient Sanskrit terms and words with reference to magic and Polynesian languages in particular. This points to a highly probably unique single source for most of the diverse systems of magic worldwide.

While the means to gather, compress, and release the "energy" of magic by sorcerers includes everything from asceticism to extreme sensual indulgences, one key that is shared by all cultures is the use of key audible sounds which are held to cause potent effects.

In the writings of Anton LaVey, the Doktor paid homage to the power of the descriptive words to elevate emotions and thereby focus and release the "energy" of magic. However, the power of the names of the old gods so commonly called upon in ritual touches upon the use of sound from the other traditions.

Interestingly, however, whereas in Satanic ritual the names are spoken once, the use of magical sounds is more commonly based upon the use of repetition.

Mantra and Chanting.

Probably the oldest written tradition for the use of repetitious magical sounds is found in the Vedas of ancient India. Often the specific names of gods and goddesses were invoked, over and over, for days, weeks, months, and even longer with the "reason" being offered that essentially you will gain the attention of the deity whose name is being repeated and thereby gain the favor of that deity to act on your behalf.

Mantra, which stems from the Sanskit words for "mind" and "freedom", has an oral tradition that may go back more than five thousand years. Mantra formulas for almost anything you can imagine have been promoted to produce results from everything from defeating enemies to earning afterlife brownie points for a better reincarnation next time.


Continues =>
Posted by The Devil His'self  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  03:55 AM
<= Continued.

When we look at other cultures we find the same chanting magical formulas from various native American tribes through to shamans in Siberia. However in all of these cases it is not a matter of merely speaking a sacred name of a god or demon once in the course of ritual, as we commonly do in classical Satanic practice. Instead, the chanting goes on commonly through the night and, in many cases, practiced on and on until the desired effect in reality has happened and the sorcerer is satisfied.

Sorcery as Hypnosis plus Telepathy

The application of magic to produce change in other people has a tradition that is at variance with the usual practice of Satanic Greater Magic. While in our relatively recent tradition we tend to throw out a one-time "blast" of emotion in ritual and then "let it go" emotionally, the more common use of curses and blessings by traditional sorcerers and shamans throughout history is a much longer term activity.

In the case of a curse, the sorcerer will commonly work his ritual while the intended victim sleeps. As the conscious mind with its normal judgments of what is real or not is fairly absent in dreams, the sorcerer tends to time his efforts to merge with when the intended victim is dreaming, which is usually late in the night toward morning.

In the Vedic traditions 3am is commonly called the Hour of Brahmanda and is held to be an especially potent time for performing ritual. This makes sense when you consider that in most societies prior to electrical light, people would tend to go to bed not long after sunset. By 3am most such people would be entering their longer REM dream periods.

Hypnosis to be truly effective requires that the words chosen "makes sense" to the more impoverished non-dominant cerebral cortex language centers. Psychiatrist Milton Erickson blazed a unique trail in identifying both language use that works best with communicating to the dreaming mind (the so-called unconscious") as well as the specific poetic rhythms that work best to enthrall the dreaming mind (what is now referred to as brain state entrainment).

So what do we see here? Regular, nightly efforts by the sorcerer when the intended victim is in early morning dreaming sleep combined with carefully chosen hypnotic suggestions and hypnotic rhythms. This requires a true dedicated intention on the part of the sorcerer and not a spur of the moment flash of anger. It is the cold dish of vengeance served up as poison for the intended victim of the curse.


Continues =>
Posted by The Devil His'self  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  03:56 AM
<= Continued.

Summary

While the staging of one-time, one-shot Greater Magic rituals may be emotionally satisfying from a purely cathartic intent, like psychodrama, if the sorcerer is serious about wishing to influence specific human targets in the real world, the magical traditions offer the following clues to follow:

1. The use of chanting with the correct rhythms to release the power of magic.
2. The use of the correct words and/or names to merge with the intent of the magic.
3. Timing - such as early morning hours of the night when the target is asleep.
4. Repetition - the personal commitment to following through until results are verified.


So old man George continues to feed people his mystical bullshit.
Posted by The Devil His'self  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  03:58 AM
Pretty deep by ole Nemo.....he might even be smarter than a Molecular Biologist from the University of Oregon!

Go Ducks!
Posted by Rupert  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  12:12 PM
Dear Temple Administration,

What happens if I read a copy of the Vampire Bible that I obtained online and attempt communion or energy draining?????????????

Answer, and I quote:

"It is unfortunate that you have in your possession an illegal copy of the basic Temple text.

This is true for several reasons.

First, there are tampered copies that fools have played with and these could waste your time at best. I have seen some of these fakes and there are some truly sick suggestions involved you would certainly not want to have anything to do with.

Second, this entire Temple effort has been actively guided by the Authors of The Vampire Bible.

I know because I have been there since its beginning.

Obtaining an authorized copy of The Vampire Bible is a show of good faith and honest intent to the very Vampires you intend to call to assist you!

Whether you realized it or not, you have accepted goods that were stolen from Them.

This is not dissimilar from trying to crash a formal dinner party with a stolen invitation.

In such cases you are lucky to only be shown the door.

To avoid such problems for individuals who might not know any better, the Temple has actively attempted to remove stolen or forged copies of The Vampire Bible as they pop up on the internet for years.

It is not really necessary for us to do so insofar as the Temple is concerned as only those who obtain an authorized copy from the Temple are permitted membership.

It is simply because we are trying to prevent innocents from doing what you were asking about - attempting Communion with a stolen invitation.

The Temple Mission is to find and assist those with the potential to claim their Heritage through the conscious instructions of the Temple.

In a sense this is a self-correcting problem.

Thieves get no real results from stolen copies. They have their reward: normal mortality.

Those who did not realize they were trafficking in stolen goods (and/or tampered goods) but do not even so much as do a simple Google search to find and read the Temple website, were obviously never serious enough to begin with.

Nevertheless we continue to try and root out such problems in the hope that it might prevent even just one other potential candidate from being disappointed or worse.

Of course, at this point you do not know what we know to be true. You do not know that the Undead are real.

However, lack of knowledge does not change anything.

At best, when someone steals from the Gods and then Calls to Them, then They will not answer.

At worst, They will."

Entertaining is it.....what did the "Supreme Satanist" write a few posts up?

Something about Nemo starting an organization that people are having fun with?
Posted by Rupert  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  12:25 PM
Quote "Those who did not realize they were trafficking in stolen goods (and/or tampered goods) but do not even so much as do a simple Google search to find and read the Temple website, were obviously never serious enough to begin with."

Sorry George (not really) but anyone doing a google search about the TOV is going to discover a lot more than you ever, ever bargained for. Also, what about your own crime of Theft By Deception? What about that? I HOPE the US Government revokes your "religion" and forces you to pay everyone back.

Quote "At best, when someone steals from the Gods and then Calls to Them, then They will not answer. At worst, They will."

So George, you admit you are a theist then? You admit you run a theist organization? How does the Church of Satan feel about that? Why is it that when you threaten people with your "scary" gods that nothing ever happens?

Quote "Thieves get no real results from stolen copies. They have their reward: normal mortality."

And the Temple of the Vampire member gets as a reward: A DEFLATED BANK ACCOUNT, HALLUCINATIONS, WASTED TIME THAT CANNOT BE REPLACED, NORMAL MORTALITY.. AND HOPE, AKA SPIRITUAL PIPE DREAMS.

Every Temple member is aging every day. Tell me George, when does this "physical immortality" actually kick in? You're a liar. I HOPE you have enjoyed my contributions here.
Posted by Anonymous  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  05:17 PM
Since it was deftly buried


Most Vampires are not C/S members therefore the word "hope" may apply. For the Satanist there is either certainty or uncertainty, hope is never a factor. Cryonics is a plausible certainty therefore applicable to the Satanist who desires more of a chance than otherwise. I'd rather spend the money and roll the dice than get buried in the ground or be incinerated in a furnace. Cryonics is a genuine heresy to most people as this thread shows.

HS
Posted by The Count  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  09:43 PM
"While the staging of one-time, one-shot Greater Magic rituals may be emotionally satisfying from a purely cathartic intent, like psychodrama, if the sorcerer is serious about wishing to influence specific human targets in the real world, the magical traditions offer the following clues to follow:

1. The use of chanting with the correct rhythms to release the power of magic.
2. The use of the correct words and/or names to merge with the intent of the magic.
3. Timing - such as early morning hours of the night when the target is asleep.
4. Repetition - the personal commitment to following through until results are verified."

I don't understand this. Did Magister Nemo truly write this?
He is strongly implying that a Satanist who views Greater Magic as psychodrama is *not* serious about what he is doing?
I thought that as Satanists, we did only view Greater Magic as psychodrama! I did not know that holding that understanding was seen as an inferior one by a Magister.
I'm very confused.
I'd ask elsewhere but don't want to be singled out as an enemy. I'm not.
Truly
Hail Satan!
Ana
Posted by Anastasia  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  10:24 PM
GM is just that. It can function as psychodrama but if one is talented in GM an effect can be had on the outside world. Almost all of my GM rituals have manifested results outside of my Ritual Chamber. Reread the literature all of this is explained. There is more going on in the world than your senses tell you. Use it as psychodrama if you want but don't be suprised if you actually manifest that which you desire using this method. Satanic magical praxis differs from the standard occultnik definition.
Posted by The Count  on  Sun Feb 13, 2011  at  11:00 PM
Hi Ana,

Yes, "Magister" George Smith wrote that.

Register an account in the Undercroft and look up his profile, then read his first blog post (if he hasn't taken it down already, that is).

People, remember to save these pages for posterity.

Over and out,

Eternally (!)

The Shit.
Posted by The Shit  on  Mon Feb 14, 2011  at  12:48 AM
What Nemo wrote is perfectly in line with Satanic magical theory. Note that there is no mention of assuming godforms or dealings with angels or demons. Just directed energy, telepathy and hypnosis. What's so "mystical" about this? Is it the chanting? If so I hope you're not a sports fan... ever wonder what the home field advantage is all about? Do you like modern music? Do you know what the call return thing that lead vocalists do during concerts is all about? Ever see a crowd of fans who do not know each other and have nothing to do with each other move in unison or sing in unison? What accounts for this phenomena?
Posted by The Count  on  Mon Feb 14, 2011  at  01:10 AM
"What accounts for this phenomena?"

Your mum? Did I guess right?

Fuck off, little vampire retard.
Posted by The Shit  on  Mon Feb 14, 2011  at  02:01 AM
Any specific points you'd like to refute?
Posted by The Count  on  Mon Feb 14, 2011  at  02:43 AM
"GM is just that. It can function as psychodrama but if one is talented in GM an effect can be had on the outside world."

From my understanding, 15+ years as a Satanist, GM is psychodrama. You seem to infer that GM can be a psychodrama but that a psychodrama is not all that GM is.
What was posted and attributed to Magister Nemo, infers that viewing GM as psychodrama, is a non-serious (inferior) perspective.

" Almost all of my GM rituals have manifested results outside of my Ritual Chamber."

Mine as well. But I ascribe the manifestations in the outside world to my personal actions in the world. GM helps me focus my energies to act in the world. You seem to imply that there is something to GM beyond the psychological. Am I misunderstanding your words?

" Reread the literature all of this is explained. There is more going on in the world than your senses tell you. Use it as psychodrama if you want but don't be suprised if you actually manifest that which you desire using this method."

You seem to say that GM is more than psychodrama. GM is understood as psychodrama as I understand it. I have read all of Dr.LaVeys books as well as Magistra Bartons and Magus Gilmore, many times over.

"Satanic magical praxis differs from the standard occultnik definition."

Satanic magic (GM) is psychodrama to release emotions. Do you have a different definition of it? Is this is the case, how is your alternate definition in line with the philosophy of Dr.LaVey?

Greater Magic is a psychological device. This is the only interpretation used by Satanists (as far as I know). If is more than psychodrama, then how do you propose it works? Is there a force or entity, that you propose is responsible for it working?


Hail Satan!
Ana
Posted by Anastasia  on  Mon Feb 14, 2011  at  10:25 AM
I get so sick of Nemo's hot-air filled articles!

Well....how about a word from the Undead Gods!

and I quote:

Occultnik: "I'm about 2/3 through Revelations. I'm reading about the act of Vamparism. I'll just state a simple question: Could any after-effects of this act be more along the lines of a Placebo Effect than any actual Lifeforce exchange/drawing taking place?"

Undead God: "Could it be? Yes.

Is it? That's for you to determine through experimentation and observation.

We mean it when We state: "Test everything, believe nothing.""

Occultnik: "How accurate can your validations be? You're familiar with the Placebo Effect, correct? It's an effect based on mental deception. Could your psychology be telling you it's real when the reality of things is not such? I'm careful of Self Deception. I plan on testing everything, but wanted some other people's opinions on the point I brought up."

Undead God: "Those opinions are reserved for discussions in the Graded Forums.

Meanwhile, keep working. The answer should arrive through your efforts, and not others opinions. After all, others opinions could be based on self deception. How would you know?

Apply what you find in The Vampire Bible. Not once, not twice, but continuously."


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Sounds like alot of fun....what a great orgainization!
Posted by Rupert  on  Mon Feb 14, 2011  at  04:04 PM
Oh, I forgot to add the last response to the above conversation!

Super Undead God: "I only wanted to add that you might benefit from also studying Revelations as it addresses the question of how to validate issues in a universe in which no single view of reality is adequate."

Note: this response was by "Super Undead God" not just Undead God.
Posted by Rupert  on  Mon Feb 14, 2011  at  04:11 PM
Oh here we go....Super Undead God with a Plastic-Fanged reprimand for a newbie Occultnik.

and I quote:

Super Undead God: "Occultnik Newbie*, you are very much confusing fact and fancy.

The Temple is real.

It is not a roleplaying game.

It is not a movie.

From the Dayside perspective, Vampires are members of the Vampire religion which is represented only through this Temple.

From the Nightside perspective as explained in The Vampire Bible, Vampires can draw the excess Lifeforce from humans to exchange with the more refined and imprinted Lifeforce of the more advanced members, the Undead Gods.

The completion of this Nightside circuit of Power is what transforms the Nightside Vampire. Nothing else does. Nowhere else can. This is the Source.

At this point no one here is expected to believe anything about the Nightside. That is for you to test and validate on your own or, if you enter Graded active membership, with other Graded active members.

So that you will not embarrass yourself here, please take all of the fiction you have been exposed to and leave it outside the Gate of this Temple.

Adults only."

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*I won't give out names, just replace them with Undead Gods or Occultnik Newbie.
Posted by Rupert  on  Mon Feb 14, 2011  at  04:23 PM
Does anyone here know how the ToV and Temple of Set differ? I've read through this entire thread before and don't recall seeing if anyone knew that.

I'm just curious why Nemo left ToS and decided to start his own thing.
Posted by Curious  on  Mon Feb 14, 2011  at  05:19 PM
"Does anyone here know how the ToV and Temple of Set differ? I've read through this entire thread before and don't recall seeing if anyone knew that.

I'm just curious why Nemo left ToS and decided to start his own thing."

I doubt you "read through this entire thread".
The whole story is on this thread..a couple of times over. Go back through the thread and find it for yourself!
The ToV is the only group with a bait and switch scam that coerces members into purchasing 30k+ cryonics contracts in order to advance to the "higher" levels of the group.
Notice how cryonics is NOT MENTIONED on their website. It is not because if it was, they'd get zero new members a month!
No other occult group does anything like this. So until the Temple of Set starts requiring their members to purchase cryonics contracts or invest their capital in something the founder finds of worth, I would not mention these two groups in the same breath!
The only "self improvement" group comparable to the Temple of the Vampire is Scientology.
Can the Count from Sesame Street defend the Bait and Switch? Why is cryonics hidden from prospective members until they are "ready" to know it is required for "advancement"?
Posted by Mysterio  on  Mon Feb 14, 2011  at  11:00 PM
"Any specific points you'd like to refute?"

Not really. They have all been refuted by the mere fact that your "vampirism" is a fucking scam.

Now, improve the earth and commit suicide.
Posted by The Shit  on  Mon Feb 14, 2011  at  11:42 PM
Looks like Mysterio nailed the Count's coffin shut! The Count can't refute the allegations, because they are true.
Posted by Sami  on  Wed Feb 16, 2011  at  08:00 PM
Or could it be that I have better things to do (like work, socializing etc) than hover over my keyboard with baited breathe waiting for the next post?

There is no scam you pay the money and the services (the books, access to the messageboard) are delivered.
I hope the Temple's lawyers are monitoring this thread becaue there is a lot of liable being thrown around.
Posted by The Count  on  Wed Feb 16, 2011  at  08:12 PM
I don't mean to defend organizations, of ANY kind, but I do mean to defend truth and soul, and that which is beyond man and which is the superman. because that which is beyond man is worth defending and fighting for and ever striving for. whereas that which is man or of man, is the chains and abominations, the good of which residing only in fact that they may ignite in us the passions needed to overcome our limitation and weaknesses. and so they do. if indeed it is our time. because to do things it is not our time to do, is simply not possible. no matter how the fools here or elsewhere may strive or go about it. it's amusing how the bigger the fool the louder his cry and plea for the hidden things and secrets. and like a child he screams and gets upset when they are denied to him.

that being said, everyone here who calls tov a scam or vampires in the sense in which tov presents them as unreal or fake, is simply the uninitiated zombie creature. how adequately termed as foodstock indeed, by such as the higher tov members.

there are countless things which cannot be explained and defy words. but which may well be felt inside our souls. the requirement for this is of course that one has the soul to begin with. without it is the very zombie state many today talk about, but few truly grasp. or go beyond it, for that matter.

embrace death. make her yuor beloved queen. love her with yuor whole heart and soul. if you do, she will surely make you her king. an immortal king at that! and then yuo will fear no more! not death and not life either! and to not fear death and life is to be human. becayuse within this flesh, you cannot become god among gods, but you can become god among humans. so to this and infinitely more too we drink tonite! the blood of life! amen!

Ars longa, vita brevis!
Posted by darius  on  Wed Feb 16, 2011  at  09:33 PM
+100 Internets for Darius
Posted by The Count  on  Wed Feb 16, 2011  at  10:01 PM
Yes. One division of Temple lawyers is looking through all the data right now and will soon begin contacting the offenders. It looks like many crimes have committed, so this thread is sure to die down quickly. Now they realize what a horrible mistake they made by speaking ill of the Temple. Too late! Notice how quiet they have all become now. Squirming like rats they are!
Posted by Priest Shadow  on  Thu Feb 17, 2011  at  05:56 PM
....darius, what an inspirational psalm-esq essay, from the land of make-believe....you may be a genius.

I can only say Thank You for making such points known about the Human Psyche, from the Vampire Perspective.

What you call Soul I call Conscience, one of these has been defined and verified by Science and the other held sacred by God-Fearing religions the world over.

The ToV framework is based on Deception, from begining to end, truely the work of a Sociopathic
Mastermind.

The ToV has "Divisions" of Lawyers....funny.

Well, I'm going to go back to my "Squirming" now...the reason for the brief lapse in posting by some of us is because we were celebrating after darius' fine piece of writing.

"Lord of the Flies"
Posted by Rupert  on  Thu Feb 17, 2011  at  09:07 PM
rupert... we go by many names.. genius.. crazy.. insane.. etc.. thank you for this title.. even though I know you've no concept of what it really means or the extent of it all and the potential..

let me elaborate a bit.. not for my sake but for yours.. I ate too much wisdom once you see, I was hungry you see, starving to death, your regular food just wasn't enough.. this stinky flesh is such a useless little thing.. abomination... so I was begging for it, for more.. and so they fed me... now no man can change me.. you should try begging too... just be pure at it.. let it all go.. and then you can get so much more than you give...

so here it comes then the wisdom I have for you: everything is based on deception in this world. your job is to make sure you create for yourself and live in a reality which corresponds to the finest, most refined, most wonderful, most amazing, most grandiose of all deceptions..or if you will, the one which feels right to the soul (or whichever word your little mind prefers to call it). of course, while remaining perfectly aware in so doing that this deep feeling inside your soul is too nothing more but a deception.

nearly complete insanity is basically the way to go.

don't you dare call tov a deception again. when your entire life, existence, and your whole being to its very core is nothing more than deception too. and a way less refined one at that.

I would say you should feel ashamed of yourself, and then this feeling could be your start in some better direction.. but do you have the necessary qualities for that... to feel ashamed.. good question... this is probably why you and your kind always was and always will be nothing more than food on someone else's plate.
Posted by darius  on  Fri Feb 18, 2011  at  12:32 AM
Behold everyone, Darius and Count, the perfect ToV members! See that shite? That nonsense up top? That's how ToV lackeys like Lang and his Vampy friends talk. Bloody brilliant 😁

And don't pass up Count telling us he doesn't waste his time on this thread only 12 minutes after the accusation. 😁

Count and Darius: If you think you represent your cult so well, tell us your names on Lifeforce. I'm certain you'll be rewarded by the Nemo family for showing us all how legitimate the Temple is!
Posted by Goldie  on  Fri Feb 18, 2011  at  01:18 AM
goldie.. communication between your kind and mine will always fail. always be incomplete. not because I say so or you say so (even though you don't really say so) but because of forces deeper and stronger than we can control. only they can bring you to a higher level. or leave you where you are now. I can see where you are. know your every thought. but you can't see where I am. to put it lightly and politely, you bore me to death. there is no fun in knowing more about you than yuo know about yourself. verily I tell you the quality of humans is on decline. but this is just sign that big change is at hand. mark my words, whatever you do, don't wait til the last moment. everything you now hold dear and dearest will one day mean less than nothing.
Posted by darius  on  Fri Feb 18, 2011  at  01:42 AM
"I can see where you are. know your every thought."

Then reveal me to the world, tell everyone who I am so they can ban me from Lifeforce and Letters to the Devil. The only possible reason you wouldn't is because:

You vampires are all full of shit! Nothing but old cult lies and threats!

You bit, now swallow.

And you type like rOr. Admit who you are and I'll give you a cookie.
Posted by Goldie  on  Fri Feb 18, 2011  at  01:51 AM
goldie... you seem female. this limits things even further for you. it's not your fault. it's just your nature. you cannot escape your nature. well.. technically you can.. it's just not easy... I'm just saying it's easier if you are male.

I won't talk much more to you.. because you love words too much. so this is my last talk to you... I want to say this is not about being this or that or vampire, you're stuck on words or titles. that's just wrong. if I were you I'd look beyond words and definitions.

I don't understand.. you have infinity and eternity awaiting you, all of you, and you settle for this mediocre state of being. you're here to evolve within your realm of the humanly possible, not to go backwards or stay in one place til death do you part.

get a life will ya. do something. come on! fast for a month.. stand on your head... take cold showers daily and in winter... burn your skin with a knife.. or cut it here and there... or don't masturbate for a year.. I mean come on.. just do something.. just try... so what if you fail.. this is about trying.. there are ways.. methods.. way older than you.. way wiser than you... just try something.. so your life gains meaning and I feel bit better and brighter from it too.
Posted by darius  on  Fri Feb 18, 2011  at  02:16 AM
it is ror he signs off lifeforce for 30 minutes every time a darius post appears here. what is terrible is that he says he is from montreal and named himself after a character from a vincent price movie to make it look like he is hellofallhells.

just like you said shite and named yourself after a word in rev stronbones signature to make it look like you are him. but then you said shit. you are both very poor deceivers and very terrible people.
Posted by .  on  Fri Feb 18, 2011  at  02:20 AM
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