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Princess Winddragon Moonstar... I lol'd

"There is nothing wrong with being interested in cryonics while having a fascination with vampires.
FYI, from an enlightened perspective, cryonics and vampirism are the SAME thing."

That is quite the revision of the definition of vampirism.

The big problem here is this:

"FYI, from an enlightened perspective"

Enlightened perspective is obviously only obtained through ToV teachings. That means any argument from an external source will be invalid from a member's perspectibe, effectively blocking a paradigm shift.

"Some just prefer one word over the other.
Eventually, the entire transhumanist movement will understand that the vampire is the archetype of all their specific dreams and desires."

The use of archetypes is understandable, though the vampire might not be an ideal choice. Originally the vampire was a rather repugnant creature in its many guises from all over the world. It is only recently it has become an icon of immortality, empowerment and sexuality, sparkling gaily in the sunlight.

If the vampire is chosen as an archetype for its recent manifestation, the temple's claim of constructing religions to mask its existence seem very unlikely, as the vampire as seen today is no older than Hollywood.

"There are those who have reported NDEs after being pronounced medically dead(by current medical standards) for just several minutes. Imagine the NDEs that are possible while being held in cryonic suspension (also dead by current medical standards which we do not believe correct). People awakening from twenty or fifty year suspensions could have incredible NDEs to tell us about. Where would they visit? What would they have discovered? This is the true beauty of the vampire."

And this is just daydreaming. Maybe you should read up on NDE. Non-ToV litterature, mind you.

""we are not Satanists. We do not kill babies or harm animals..."

- any wiccan authored book...

Crack one open and see for yourself."

I have several and none have your quote.

If you have been confronted with such a quote in a Wiccan context, then it only shows their desperate attempt to distance themselves from satanism.

Then we can ask "Why does satanism have an image like that, and is it an image the satanist wishes to maintain?".

Frankly, associating with "vampires" doesn't help.

"I recall a video of Bonewits involved in a Satanic ritual to cure his impotence... apparently it did not work. Now he's mad..."

Yes, Bonewitz was a satanist at one point. And he passed away recently. It seems you're yet again talking about things without posessing the proper knowledge. Impotence? Where do you hear dribble like that?

"Belanger is running an actual cult with her pal Don Henri. Enjoy your S&M coprofagia. So escapees have said..."

Source? I guess you have none.

PS transvestite football player much? Egad

Again, source?

PPS mad about ad hominems? Scant perusal of your posts here will find you very quick to make them Sand.

Actually, you and many other ToV members continue to prove my points. Keep posting.

"Sand, you have no dog in this fight. Why continue this?"

A courtesey to another poster. That and a reaction to the flood of spam, sockpuppetry and epeen swinging. Then the personal attacks start and I get malicious.

"The sole rational answer is that you are a troll, who thrills to a self created vision of Satanists fighting amongst themselves. It won't happen, so tough luck!"

This accusation again? It got old long time ago.

There's no reason for me to do so. I never brought satanism into the discussion in the first place. Someone from the CoS did.

I won't have access to my home computer for several weeks so I'm posting via iPhone. There are (serious) articles about Belanger and Henri on ED with relevant links.

Sure there are. Probably as serious as your statement saying:

"- any wiccan authored book..."

Which seem to be false.

You will have to do better than that.

Well why dont you see for yourself Sand? Maybe that statement might not be word for word but that is in general what is said in most introductions in these books. Now I know you are a Literalist ( you take things literally) so I suggest getting an adult to help you understand the ED articles since most of is what we call "satire". However there are links in these articles that lead to statements made by others too numerous to brush off that House Kheferu is a lil S&M cult.

Now Sand perhaps you'll explain to us what your stake in all this is and where you're coming from because I tire of this nonsense and will write you off as a netk00k if you don't.

Any other discussion on the ToV here or is this thread denigrating into just petty fighting over everything LHP (Left Hand Path)?

Also, it seems to be turning into a bash The Church of Satan and psychotic David Styles fatal obsession thread.

ToV, anyone???

"Well why dont you see for yourself Sand? Maybe that statement might not be word for word but that is in general what is said in most introductions in these books."

And again, I have several books about Wicca, and none accuse satanists of anything. Maybe you should give us a few titles?

"Now I know you are a Literalist ( you take things literally) so I suggest getting an adult to help you understand the ED articles since most of is what we call "satire". However there are links in these articles that lead to statements made by others too numerous to brush off that House Kheferu is a lil S&M cult."

Ah. So now your "serious" articles are called satire, and "any" becomes "most". It is remarkable how you backpedal once your claims are not taken for granted. Maybe it's because you are not in your controlled environment, where everyone has the same opinions.

I also noticed you were quick to attack both Belanger and Bonewitz. Belanger I can understand, since the ToV is constantly trying to discredit the other vampire communities. You probably have that reaction on your backbone by now. Your claim that Bonewitz was impotent is unfounded and oddly motivated, and accusing him of using a satanic ritual only shows your inability to think out of the box. I guess you're stuck following ToV dogma, and that suits me just fine.

You provide links and we'll see for sure what you take as the truth.

"Now Sand perhaps you'll explain to us what your stake in all this is and where you're coming from because I tire of this nonsense and will write you off as a netk00k if you don't."

Perhaps if you read a few posts higher you would notice I said:

"A courtesey to another poster. That and a reaction to the flood of spam, sockpuppetry and epeen swinging. Then the personal attacks start and I get malicious."

I guess you are the one with comprehension difficulties.

Right now I'm poking an ant to my amusement, and the more you act like an idiot, the more I'll poke.

Much earlier in this thread I also said, that I like to make people think and reflect. Those able to do that will realize the limits and faults of ToV teachings. Those unable to do so will keep Nemo fat and happy. I don't care if you write me off. That just increases the chance of you being the butt of the joke for years and years. Now I know how Master Therion felt.

And again, I have several books about Wicca, and none accuse satanists of anything. Maybe you should give us a few titles?

I have noticed that some judgmental, self-righteous, and holier-than-thou Wiccans and other occult types do like to say something along the lines of, "Hi, I am witch (or insert occult title here) and practice magic yet we DON'T worship the Devil and are NOT SATANISTS."

Some wimpy Wiccans have been known to say this to make themselves look like "good guys" to mainstream society while perpetuating (knowingly or ignorantly) the lies and stereotypes against Satanists by making Satanists look like "bad guys" by saying we are not ONE OF THEM.

There will always be some judgmental, self-righteous, and holier-than-thou individuals in any religion. They are often people seeking a purpose or identity, and they will also be the most vocal. That and the wish of the neo-pagan communities to gain general acceptance does result in the loud minority trying to distance themselves from the stereotypes. There is no use denying that and I apologize if I was unclear on this matter.

However, the case here is whether or not the distancing oneself from the stereotype is done at the cost of the satanic issue in wiccan litterature. As the case is, I have several such books where that is not the case. In fact, such slander is entirely absent in the books in my possession. Furthermore, the count first claims that "any" wiccan author is tarnishing the image of satanism to distance themselves from it. That was then changed to "most". Maybe a less verifiable amount, like "many" or "some" would have been more prudent to use.

Sand, why are U here?
According to your statements,
You are not and were never a ToV member.
You are not and were never a CoS member.
You are not even a Satanist.
Why do you want to instigate rifts between Satanists?
Why are you involving yourself in the business of Satanists?
You have had no personal involvement with any party discussed here. You have no experiences to draw upon to present an informed opinion here.
Why are you here?
I think you should GTFO or that all the anti-ToV CoS people should ignore you since your interests are not parallel to theirs.
You are a loser college age idiot IMO with no girlfriend or boyfriend and too much time on his hands.
CoS people, please remember that Sand is not your buddy. If he seems to be "on your side", it should be clear to you that he is not. He is a troll and is enjoying his attempts to stir things up. Do not feed the troll!

Sand is a fluffy bunny wiccan who is into michelle belangers garbage. He hates the CoS and is just badmouthing the ToV to affect the CoS. Ignore his goddess sucking butt!

The same questions again and again, despite I've already answered them and far-fetched conclusions. Name-calling, accusations, labeling, insults and ridicule. How typical.

I guess that shows quite well how you handle discussions where you can't bully opponents into submission.

It is most startling that people here are discussing certain people, who just happen proficient in the Dark Arts, behind their backs.
Regardless of your chosen identification with Wicca or Satanism, it is obvious to all that messing with people who are experts in casting spells is not a good idea. I am sure that many of those who have posted negative comments here have experienced unfortunate consequences which have left them dumbfounded. You may be one of them yourself. It is not a mystery to many in the know. To disrespectfully post unwarranted opinions about those who have mastered the Dark Arts is to incur their wraith. It is said that powerful magicians have astral defenses that have the capacity to reduce an insolent meddler's life to rubble. We have already seen this occur several times on this lengthy response thread. One person lost his relationship and his property vanished, and another had an emotional breakdown.
It is clear that there are countless others.
This is no surprise.
Do not be in such a haste to join their ranks.
It not a wise thing to do.

You are correct Odin. I read through the dozens of pages of response thread and read of these incidences. I guess many do not understand the dangers of Black Magic. Sometimes it is better to hold one's tongue. I am interested in being more successful in my life, achieving real financial freedom, and exploring the possibility that Lifeforce may be real. I will go examine http://www.vampiretemple.com with an open mind.

Odin: These people don't have any more special powers than a Catholic. You're being absolutely ridiculous and incredibly gullible.

These immature cretins that still call themselves "Vampire" well into their 40's can no more curse me than they can guess my legal name, e-mail and then contact me and say "You shall now be cursed."

Seriously, grow up.

There is no magic. There is psychodrama and then there is delusion.

For anyone saying that there isn't a rift between "Satanists" and "Vampires," believe you me there very much is.

As close as P&P are with NEMO they will eventually have to come to terms with the fact that he is undoing a lot of the work that HP Gilmore is doing.

We go through a lot of trouble insisting that we are Atheists with a very different take on things. ToV members tarnish that image.

I will remain unnamed for the time being but I am calling on all of you Church of Satan members who have sincere problems with this situation to begin to rise up and make yourselves heard. It is the only way this will ever change.

Ask other Satanists their opinions in private, begin to form networks, organize. Then when there are enough of you, formally state your grievances to the Church of Satan hierarchy.

If they do not rectify this obviously incorrect guilty-by-association situation then schism. Schism with everything you have. Don't do any of the things that let them say "Oh, well they're just pseudo-Satanists anyway!" No, come at Satanism harder than has been done since the 80s and lead by example.

If they are not willing to fix the problem then they are no longer fit to represent your religion on an official basis.

This religion is part of your Earthly legacy. Do not let it be hijacked. If you don't have a vested interest in the proper organization and representation of Satanism then you should have never joined the Church of Satan to begin with. Ditch your redcard because obviously it means nothing to you if you "couldn't care less."

Don't bullshit yourselves. You care. I know many of you are my friends and I know you're reading this because you talk to me about it.

Some of you know who I am. I know who some of you are by writing style alone, if not more. You already know what I would say to you. Start working on a solution or shut up and take it.

Time to stop talking are start doing.

Give 'em the boot.

"You are correct Odin. I read through the dozens of pages of response thread and read of these incidences. I guess many do not understand the dangers of Black Magic. Sometimes it is better to hold one's tongue. I am interested in being more successful in my life, achieving real financial freedom, and exploring the possibility that Lifeforce may be real. I will go examine http://www.vampiretemple.com with an open mind."

you sound like a bad 1980s PSA. 'gee your right its a bad idea to mess with them dark forces, oprah. i better not mess with these powerful wizards. ill go check out the real deal at their official website and report these drug dealers to the proper authorities.

how obvious can a plant get? odin are you really an antivampire mocking them? or just the same vampire who puppets all the same 'i like this thread i will now go study vampires becanse i am teroras' bullshit?

you people are pathetic! so friggin pathetic! every vamp post on this board reads like it was written by a mentally deranged pagan cult lackey.

BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE.

get out of the CoS where atheists and only atheists are welcome.

Vampires are athiests, in case you haven't been following along. Just not athiest materialists same with plenty of Satanists. The athiestic materialist Satanists need to check the Book of Belial, the Book of Leviathan and The Satanic Rituals.

That's not to say that non magic using Satanists aren't Satanists they just need to stfu and realize that magic use IS part of this Way.

Count, you have precisely worded that. There is the atheist and the atheist materialist. I personally find the atheist materialists to be rather dull. This would prove an interesting discussion for sure, elsewhere. As another pointed out, how can you disregard nearly half of the Satanic Bible and still say that you are Satanist?

As another pointed out, how can you disregard nearly half of the Satanic Bible and still say that you are Satanist?

And what makes you qualified to go around wagging your fat finger in other individualists (who are their own gods--not literal anthropomorphic) faces saying YOU ARE NOT A SATANIST? Of course we all know YOU ARE THE REAL DEAL. :roll: Lol!

So are you saying that one has to use magic a certain number times of a year to be a Satanist? Or what if they only used magic one time so does that make them not a Satanist? Furthermore, is it required that one reports their magic activities to the CoS or report to you to be a REAL SATANIST? Lol!

Anyway, I get so sick of people polishing their Satanic good guy badges by yelling the "YOU ARE NOT A SATANIST" bullshit, in order to make one's self look superior because of their own insecurity or to get brownie points with other CoS members, I have seen these foolish displays on some Satanic messageboards and other internet lairs and I want to throw a wild rabid raccoon in their faces. Seriously, these types need to GET OVER THEMSELVES. Lol!

However, in all fairness there are some out their who claim the title of Satanist and most definitely are not. E.g. inverse Christian types or devil worshippers. Its nothing personal, if one blatantly contradicts The Satanic Bible then it is only fair that you not adhere to a religion you find difference with. Go elsewhere and do your own thing yet don't expect The Satanic Bible or the CoS to redefine its perspective for YOU.

Obviously, people who have to sling this statement towards everyone during healthy discourse is more concerned about how they look in the eyes of others and their precious little TITLES.

This is like some Christian types who go around judging everyone and trying to find dirt on everyone by calling others sinners or telling people they are going to burn in hell so they can look all holier-than-thou or like Mister Super Christian.

Time to stop talking are start doing.

Give 'em the boot

Let everyone know what YOU are going to do about it.

For the record, I have already done my part.

Private, Satanism is not a "whatever I want it to be" type religion. Satanism is not "free for all."
The only definitive source for Satanism is the Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey. All other approaches only are glaring examples of dangerous pseudo-Satanism.
If you choose to ignore half of the Satanic Bible because it does not suit your tastes, then perhaps you will find greater satisfaction in a religion that is not Satanism.
Obtaining the Red Card does not a Satanist make.

What Odin said. One does not have to practice GM as given in TSB or TSR or even GM as given period since all Willed acts of creation qualify as Magic but one must practice indeed.

HS

If you choose to ignore half of the Satanic Bible because it does not suit your tastes, then perhaps you will find greater satisfaction in a religion that is not Satanism.

As if your condescending opinion matters; however, I have used Greater Magic from The Satanic Bible many times. You don't know me so don't jump to conclusions about someone you don't know.

Obviously, you still hold the opinion that those who don't use magic are not Satanists. I disagree and will leave it at that.

Obtaining the Red Card does not a Satanist make.

I agree 100% and most people don't get this. And those who don't get this don't need to affiliate with the CoS.

I have never thought receiving a red card would make one elite or a Satanist or that paying 200.00 dollars was going to make me a Satanist.

I also feel that most Satanists who have their red card feel the same way I do. However, feel free to make foolish judgments all you want because it seems nothing is stopping you here.

Hey Count, you have any thoughts of your own?

You're like a damn parrot. Always adding your squawk to someone else's pile of bird shit. THOUGHTLESS COWARD

Odin, I can tell from your posts, that the milk in my Lucky Charms is much more magical than you'll ever be. Call your insurance company or whoever you gotta call to get that fridge ready. I believe you're leaking lifeforce or something.(you're probably not tightening your anal sphincter hard enough as you stare at prey) Better squeeze harder or else you'll never survive the second death.

Interesting response by IBK. You ignore everything presented in my posts and just resort to childish name throwing. This just irrefutably demonstrates the weakness of your position and the minuteness of your intellect.

Using several aliases, I had posted negative comments about some individuals I clearly did not understand very well. Suddenly, my business declined without explanation and I had to close my store this past weekend. I also got into a car accident. Luckily, I was not hurt, but my car was totaled. My small dog has vanished under mysterious circumstances.
I am very concerned about my future.
I am now aware that magic is very powerful and that most who are spoken about here have active astral defenses that are always active.
I made the mistake of thinking magic was a joke and that I could say anything I wanted.
Now I know better. I hope that I can turn my luck around by compensating those I have wrongly attacked in this thread. Is it true that providing donations to those wrongly attacked will break the negative spell?
Thank you Odin for giving the wisest advice I have seen in a long time.

Jaimie,

Your words demonstrate a great clarity of thought.

Yes, you are correct. By compensating those you have wronged, you may be able to balance out your most unfortunate situation. I suggest visiting the website(s) of the organization(s) that those you have wronged are affiliated with, and providing compensation via a donation. This can be done through the purchase of an offering.

You should find satisfaction in the fact that you have recognized the folly of your actions and have decided to take steps to correct them.
Such actions do not go unnoticed.

You have taken the first step in changing the direction your life has taken.

"Posted by Jaimie in Florida on Mon Feb 07, 2011 at 09:04 AM "


"Posted by Odin on Mon Feb 07, 2011 at 09:19 AM"


Sockpuppetry at it's best...I suppose that one of the hidden "teachings" of the Vampire Adept level is the "Art" of being a good Sockpuppet!



Card Carrying Member-Warlock-Priest-Magister

Church of Satan

"Lord of the Flies"

All this talk about Greater Magic makes me chuckle!

Wait until your parents leave, go into your room and pull out that Nintendo Wii box that so cleverly disguises your Ritual Tools, set it all up.....the worst you might be able to do with that all so powerful "Web-Will" is wish a little ill-fate on this oh so dangerous Forum....

Even that may be giving you a little too much credit.

For the sake of Greater Magic, stop pretending, stop with the threats of using it, it sounds so F***ing Lame!

Just do it....if you know what it's all about, DO IT!

If you have the ammunition then pull the trigger!

Have you thought about the principles of the ammunition.....we have!

For "Undead Gods" sake....Adepts, get these Prima dona's out of here! If this is the best you got Phineas, I would say I'm pretty damn disappointed!

Common Doctor(s), don't bring a knife to a gunfight!


Card Carrying Member-Warlock-Priest-Magister

"Lord of the Flies"

Behold,
The Word of the Aeon is Chaos.

Hail Magus Diabolus Rex

http://www.cultofcthulhu.net/2011/02/nyarlathotep-diabolus-rex/comment-page-1/

Jaimie, I fear that you're right!

As soon as I posted my previous comment, my goldfish died, I stubbed my toe, & my penis fell off... into Odin's anus. As I tried to pull away, he tensed up even more. Standing there naked, in the dark, I tried doing communion(screaming at the top of my lungs with my arms outstretched) to ward off the evil to no avail. My arms tensed & I got lightheaded, but alas, I fear my penis will be in Odin for eternity. Sorry Norseman.


Jaimie/Odin, you are a bootlicker extraordinaire.

BOOTLICKER!!


'For the sake of Greater Magic, stop pretending, stop with the threats of using it, it sounds so F***ing Lame!'

But Rupert, if they stopped pretending & posturing, what more would they have?

There you go again IBK and Rappert!
You are unable to rationally compose any coherent statement and resort to kindergarten inspired name calling. Your hissy fits impress no one.
Real Satanists laugh at your inferior downtrodden sickly selves.

Odin, I apolgize for the unmanly behavior shown by the mediocre idiots who visit this site. Thank you for providing your wisdom to us. It is not often that someone in the know comes here and is helpful.

Odin, Your puppeted sanctimonious responses just serve to humiliate the organization you represent on this thread...

seems like the fake satanists are trying to create confusion. You aint fooling anyone! Rupert is not a satanist. If he is, he can prove it! What is your name, post your membership certificate! Post your card! All of you are liars!
The COS is undivided and strong! you haters are scum! probably you are unable to fork over two hundred bucks to become members. You are liberal parasites! I'm sure you both like Obama!

HS!
Superior

Well, little vamps, you've been duped. 😉

I've summoned enough courage to speak. I was an early poster on this message board and said things I did'nt mean. My wife left me and took the children and I was laid off. My few remaining friends say they sense a dark force around me. A local psychic told me there was a vampire type force shadowing me and causing my hardships.
I then purchased an authorized copy of the Vampire Bible with my last twenty five dollars. Suddenly, it is as if a curse has been lifted! I just received an incredible job offer and I met an eighteen year old fox who wants to move in with me.
I am glad I took the steps to do the Right thing.
In Lifeforce,
Brad(not my real name to keep anonymus)

Brad = sockpuppet trying to discredit the Vampire Temple

as opposed to your sock puppets saying the same shit to bolster the tov

if i put my you know what in a sock and draw a face can that be my umm sock puppet to but minus the s and make that a c?

Interesting is it?

You jump to conclusions and your facts are inaccurate as well so I will not bother addressing anymore of your stories which you already BELIEVE to be fact. There is nothing I could say or do to change your mind, nor do I care.

Here are the facts about The Order of Fenris. The Order was the first and only order within the Church of Satan approved of by Anton LaVey. The order was started by Peter H. Gilmore in the 1980's. What it's all about is not your business.

Now, please continue on living your life through the exploits of others because nobody really gives a damn about your opinion or your obsessive disorder regarding the soap opera you profess to know so much about. Fact is, I know and knew almost all the people you speak of here. You on the other hand only read about them.

Goodbye and enjoy your life when you get one.
Hail Satan!
Magister Robert A. Lang
Church of Satan
Order of Fenris

Mr. Lang, I notice you do not support the Temple of the Vampire in your signature here. Are you still an "adept" in that religion? Why is it I never once saw a single posting from you on the Lifeforce message board when I was involved with those scam artists? Were you paid money to promote the ToV? Are you aware of their illegal tactics of theft by deception that they practiced for several years? They offered physical immortality on their website in exchange for money. Did you know that by promoting ToV you make yourself an accomplice to this crime? Why does the CoS promote scam artists who deliberately break the law? Since you're so interested in this blog, why don't you answer these few simple questions?

Also, Mr. Lang, what do you think about the Temple of the Vampire being a covert recruiting center for the cryonics movement? Were you aware, when you were made an adept, that it was all a complete fabrication? Did you know that the "Undead Gods" that you testified were "real" and signed an oath to are actually just a work of fiction? Are you personally signed up for cryonics as well? And, if so, do you think that a funeral practice really equates with physical immortality?

Anonymous,
Magister Nemo has created an organization that generates good income for himself and a good time seems to be had by all that decide to pay him.
That sounds very Satanic to me!
What organization have you created?
What creative act have you done?

HS!
Supreme, Satanist

Hailz to MG Lang! Keep making that limited edition jewelry. Would love to see more done with the Brimestone sigil.
*sigh* well I guess back to managing the escort agency I manage I Northern AB. Keep the thread going losers I'm lolling my ass off.

PS the real Church of Satan is offline!

PPS I'm filling out my active membership application thanks to this thread. Seems I have a better grasp of Satanism than a few "Warlocks" I've seen posting.

"This town deserves a better class of criminal" - The Joker

Magister Robert A. Lang,

PLEASE make the Wolf's Hook ring (AKA awesomest ring in the universe) available again!
I missed out on it.
There are many people interested in it!
PLEASE!
Make more!