Catholic Church as The Matrix

image A Matrix-style poster depicting a Catholic priest as Neo isn't a spoof. The Catholic Church really is distributing these things. It's part of their new recruitment campaign:

The poster's creator, the Rev. Jonathan Meyer, 28, associate director of youth ministries for the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, says pop culture is the key to attracting young men to an occupation that has gotten bad press.
"If we can get high-school youth to hang a picture of a priest in their room, that's huge in helping young men to answer the call to the priesthood," the cleric said. "Anyone who is a 'Matrix' guru looks at the picture and automatically gets it."
Crucifix in hand, Father Meyer posed for the poster, rated R for "restricted to those radically in love with Jesus Christ." Running time is "all eternity," and its title reads, "The Catholic priesthood: The answer is out there ... and it's calling you."


I'm wondering how far the Neo as Catholic priest analogy can be extended. In the second Matrix movie, Neo has sex with Trinity. So how are we supposed to interpret that? In one sense it seems appropriate (priests are dedicating themselves to God, or the Holy Trinity), but in another way it doesn't seem to be the message the Church intended. (via Notes From the Lounge)

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Posted on Mon Aug 22, 2005



Comments

That's interesting stuff, William. Don't get upset if I don't respond in depth for a day or two; I'm in the middle of a couple of things that I have to deal with right now. Nothing bad, just time-sensitive stuff.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Tue Mar 18, 2008  at  12:51 AM
No problem Media Guy. Looking forward to hearing from you sometime in the near future.
Posted by William  on  Tue Mar 18, 2008  at  05:36 PM
What a Laf! Crtanky is getting you all fluxed about statistic's and shit just to get you all off the subject of what the Vatican's real Business in the World really is! He's using classic Munchausen shit to manouver your questioning to number's instead of the actual crime's with which the Vatican's public persona of a Pure Virgin is maintained, when all the while the Vatican is involved in the Biggest Peadophile ring on the planet, which they believe is the portrail of the Whore of Babylon persona. so as far as i'm concerned, the Vatican is full of half brained Schitzophrenic's, using a reversed Welsh Gaelic Thesaurus as a Scapegoat for their abuse's on other's, especially children, as this is how the Freemason's use children to hurt their mother's, the Oedipus in reverse Syndrome, where their right hemiphere Bosse has no conscious connective coherence with their left hemisphere Munchausen Super Id's, and the Vatican's emphasis on Youth, is clearly a program designed to extinquish children's consciousness with themselve's... talk about Zombieism and Hitler's Scientist's that invented Cesarian Birth's!
There's no point in going on about statistic's, because your just following a Munchausen's ability to divert your questioning from the crime to a bunch of argumentative number fact's, and that's a classic Schitzo's manouver to get off the supect of what they know they are guilty of, and that's a fact!
So, let's ask you then Cranky, why are you deliberately diverting everyone's attention's to crap statistic's on number's like a clasic half brained Munchausen By Proxy for, when you havnt answered the simple question of 'What the fuck is the Vatican involved in so much Global peadophility on a regular basis for generation's for!', and you still think the Bible is going to give you a Scapegoat if you keep avoiding the question's! so answer the fucking question Wanky Cranky, it's fucking simple enough! What's the Vatican's excuse from the Bible with which they use to justify their sexual abuse's of children and keep themselve's out of the Public Criminal List's! Answer the fucking question you pathetic, immature, Lakovski (lack of sky, ie; right hemisphere conscious coherence!), Vatican peadophile!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Fri Mar 21, 2008  at  08:28 AM
The Vatican has proven only one thing on this planet, that they are full of half brained Schitzo's fucking about with kid's in their nappies and running a lucre/lucrative business out of their envy of the Mother, and thats Oedupus Syndrome, so what the fuck else would a man want to wear a dress all day for? I bet you all wear stockings and suspenders under those robes, and it's wouldnt surpize me to find your dirty peado piccies inside your Bibles!
As far as the foundations of the Vatican are concerned, even the stones of the Vatican themselves are less than 200 year's old, human bone's don't last more than 100 year's in british soil before they turn to dust, and the National Geographic Society is very closely in legue with the British Legion Reenactment Societys to dig up all their play act sites where they've performed pagan sacrifices since 1956, just to make history older than it really is, and this has been done in every country around the Globe since 1984, when Cine/Sine film was first invented, and a picture tells a thousand words! Its easy to work out the Vatican has faked its history, just get yourselves a Gensenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon To The Old Testament, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, and Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon To The New Testament, and then you might see how Welsh Gealic got turned into Hebrew-Chaldee not very long ago, and the whole foundation of the Vatican is based on an experiment run by the Nazi's reversing languedge's to hide behind, and only someone with a particular Psyche would know the Vatican's history is fake, just like the British Battle of the Somme/Sleep, is the British Establishment's Secret Society's rhetoric for a Morphine obsessed Nation, and that's all this war in Iraq and Afghanistan is all about, the World Healt Organisation's hold on the Global Theatre that include's the religious aspect in the guise of the Vatican, a man made religion which is no religion at all, which is the Freemason, AKA Shull n' Bone's Dog-ma! So come on Cranky, what's the Big Deal the Vatican made with the Freemason's, 'The Condemnation of Jeannette', a term used for dual hemisphered female's, ie; Tomboy's, (Revelation 22; The Spirit and the Bride in one body of flesh!), which involved abdicated King Edward in 1936, and half brained Hitler and his Cesarian/Cesaryan Scientist's, because I know it has more to do with, 'Don't let the right hand (of the brain), know what the left hand (of the brain), is doing!', to disconnect from the conscious coherence Bosse in the right hemisphere of the brain is what the Vatican has been using for decade's, because I know if they had any connection with the Real God of this Universe, they'ed be quite capable of Bowing their 33 bones in their spinal chords around the Roslyn Apprentice Pillar on any Lay Line, ie; '$', (as used in symbolism for the World Health Org), on this Planet!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Fri Mar 21, 2008  at  09:16 AM
I just can't wait for the Vatican to expose their Dog-ma man made religion which they base their foundation's on the Prophet Mohammed's marriage to a 6 year old girl, of which the Vatican believe's to be 'Peadophility', when the fact of the marriage is the process of 'Metempsychosis', of which there are over 600 year's between the man and the child if you were to read Mohammet's ('t' is correct spelling!), Text's in their correct context, and the Vatican has no concept of what Metempsychosis is! The Vatican is going to be Globally Shamed for what they have been doing to this planet for generation's, and instead of making people 'Constant-in-poles', ie; dual hemispherered to keep a conscious coherent Bosse in their brain's, they've corrupted the psychology of a book with a man called 'Constantinople', that never existed in the flesh of a man at all! Reed the book's i've mentioned, the Vatican is full of trickey to sent your brain's into turmoil and out of it's Pole's that are magnetically connecterd to Earth, the rhetoric they use is pathetic once you've evolved the code's in the Bible, and the easiest way is to translate all the name's used in the text's back into their original Welsh Gaelic, and you will easily see what the Vatican is really all about! Translate all the name's in Genesis 36; and you'll know that the Simple Truth isn't a Simpleton!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Fri Mar 21, 2008  at  09:28 AM
So Cranky, your now saying the Vatican is an abnormal Organisation to justify your obsessive cruitly and abuse's to children in the name of the Bible! We all fucking know you are Schitzo's, it's just the facxt that you wont admit it to yourselve's!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Fri Mar 21, 2008  at  09:37 AM
"Here's how normal, non-corrupt organizations punish someone: they report them to the police (as the law requires in the case of child abuse) and let the justice system handle things."
Posted by Cranky Media Guy on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:11 PM.

See! Cranky, your stating the obvious that the Vatican is an Abnormal Corrupted Organisation that dose not report the systematic abuse's of children by their Priest's, and you've admitted it on a Public Internet! So you stating then that the Vatican has no Public Law with which to answer to the crime's they commit, and what make's you think this? Is it because your a fucking Pavlov with no conscious coherence of your right hemisphere Bosse with your left hemisphere Super Id Munchausen Schitzophrenic Dog shit for brain!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Fri Mar 21, 2008  at  09:44 AM
What a laf, the Vatican has banned me from Napels in Second Life because I posted an original picture from the Boiok of Abraham of the Apprentice Pillar being used by the Ancient Egyptian's, which prove's the Vatican has no concept of the Bible whatsoever! Oh, if anyone want's to see the Original Apprentice Pillar used by Abraham that dosn't involve a man's dick up his backside, drop me an email; .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), and i'll throw you a copy of the Simple Truth!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Fri Mar 21, 2008  at  09:51 AM
Hey kAOS/KANUTS- What's going on man? I wanted to send you a message but forgot to. Here it goes:How could Nazis have invented CATHOLICISM if Nazis came into existence about 1900 years after the Catholic Church was founded? Thanks for your time!
Posted by William  on  Fri Mar 21, 2008  at  12:31 PM
Also Cranky Media Guy has told everyone on this site time and time again that he does NOT believe that the Bible is true so obviously he is not a Christian,thus Kaos/Kanuts you don't have to attack him for being Christian because he isn't.
Posted by William  on  Fri Mar 21, 2008  at  01:31 PM
I ain't going to say sorry, because there's more than one peadophile in here that think's the W(h)ayko on the back of their heado for a bleached head society is going to save them from facing the consequencies of their abuse's, think again!
If you cannot work out the simplicity of translation from 'Hebrew' to "one from the other side", then your the one's that need labotamising permainately, because there is no other power in man made religion other than to fuck about in the public record's, and change the history to condition nation's, and that's what this planet will judge on man, the real LORE, which no man, Nasa or Nazi, can stop! Shake a leg, heheheh!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Sat Mar 22, 2008  at  10:47 AM
Kaos did you tell me on an email that your own husband is a Catholic? Why would you insult your husbands beliefs if you supposedly love him? I'm not trying to be rude or even confrontational but I was just curious.Thanks.
Posted by William  on  Sat Mar 22, 2008  at  02:55 PM
Dear, didn't you read my email correctly? I married my ENEMY, lol! Well, beside's that, i had to get my name back despite the UK Police and Social Service's taking m,y kid's and giving them to their peadophile father in the American Civil Fake All War's For The Money Association, AKA Shull N' Bone's, AKA Freemason's, AKA The British Army and Morphine Obesessed British Establishment, AKA the WHOLE flippin Country is run by half brained Nazi's that the Vatican is running via the World Health Organisation! The deal was done in 1936 between abdicated King Ed and Freemason Hitler to run his Jew/Bright Kid's on Ketamine Camp's within the NHS system, and I already got several Member's of the British Parliament shitting themselves, like MP Lynn Jones for Selly Oak, Birmingham, and Richard Burden for Northfield, Birmingham, and I also got the shit on EX PM Tony Blair involved in obtaining gun licences for registered peadophile offender's that are Freemason member's, and that's a fact!
It dosn't matter to me what man made religion you state you are attained to, or what colour your skin is on the outside, your all black as the Ace of Spade's on the inside, and if you don't know where in your pathetic little half brain's the concept of Evil and the Devil derive's from what part of your own plebomeba psyche, then thank fuck this planet you're walking on has no more Aroura Borialis for any one of you to get a Second Chance with! Because all the Dark Power you, or any Secret Society has on this planet is to get someone to fuck about in the public paperwork to hide their shit in, and that aint no Dark Power whatsoever!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Sun Mar 23, 2008  at  07:07 PM
The Catholic Church is full of Schitzophrenic's that can't face the truth about themselve's, that's why they use a Welsh Gealic psychjology book in reverse to use as a Scapegoat, and so does all other man made religion's on this planet, and to tell you the truth, man has no right to worship man made religion as their God unless you've got two side's of a brain working all your life, not just to the age of 8 when you got your Daddie's dick's up your backside's! Is this what you call The Cock Of The Dawn, because that's what all man made religion's have done to their children all over the Globe, and the Vatican is the major abuser's, and you know that's a fact!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Sun Mar 23, 2008  at  07:16 PM
Kaos it seems to me,and I'm no psychiatrist mind you,that you are taking all of your anger out against your husband because he has your kids and thus you feel hatred for Catholicism because you are scared and mad at this faith only because your husband belongs to it. My opinion, is that you need to resolve your situation with your ex-husband, talk to him about your angry feelings and just try and understand that the Catholic Church has no place in this argument of yours. The Church has not harmed you in any way, but a member has and like I said I think you should talk to him about it. Also , and again this is just my opinion, but it looks to me like you might want to see a psychiatrist, tell them about your feeling and have them help you deal with them correctly, but going on this particular site and spreading incoherent nonsense on here is not the right way to vent your anger at your husband.I hope this has helped kaos and please do not be offended.Talk to you soon.
Posted by William  on  Sun Mar 23, 2008  at  07:17 PM
Devil's Night (The Bitch of a Witch, ie; The Condemnation of Jeannette deal with the Freemason's to shut her gob up and call her Mute, instead of their own Dead Nerve between their right hemisphere conscious coherence Bosse and their left hemisphere Super Id Schitzophrenic Munchausen Pavlov half brain! ), is upon us once again. Let's thow a party, start a few fire's, and rob the Public Purse, as the Truth has Dawned on the World, and we're all gona die!

Now go and find that Truth in the Bible, because you don't even know what the name 'Neah' mean's!

Amen = 'ti's done', and that's my name!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Sun Mar 23, 2008  at  07:27 PM
Youth, your obsessed with what you've lost a long time ago, and that's the Syneasthesis Magnetic Polarity Code's that you gave away to your D.A.D. along with your Dual magnetic Pineal and Pitruitry Gland's, and you call yourselve's Intelligent! Your a fucking laughing stock to me, infact, i'ed say this forum has been better than paying to see all the fucked up brain's half brain's behind the glass in White Cell's in Bedlam, which was all the fashion in the 18th Century when Women wore beard's, ran every country, and men were the fucking work horses, and shot for telling themselve's a fucking lie!
What happened? Some half brained peado called Alistair Little Prick Crowely changed the word 'Sine', the Dutch word for 'Jean' to 'Sin' when he got the name of Mrs Nothing from the Hermetic Text's that the Vatican gave him!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Sun Mar 23, 2008  at  07:37 PM
What's really hillarious, is the Freemason's York Rite, bashing eachother on the head with a cattle batton whilst standing in coffin's with a skull and bone's painted in the bottom of it, because adult's get too big to Brain Shock in the Font's like little babies, and it's the only way the Vatican know's how to keep half brain's like you interested in utter bollocks by Bleaching your conscious coherence with yourselve's, and you think you've got the 'Big Secret' of the Holy Grail, ie; a Greek Urn Called a Huntress, ie; Psyche, that's going to save your Soul when the planet your living on is Halting herself! I think you better get on your 33 bone's in your Apprentice Pillar Spinal Rod, and see if you can Bow your back like a Winding Serpent on the nearest Lay Line Hot DOT you can find, and see if you can get your Coloniah to catch up with your deliberate ignorance! Paganism is for children, after the physical age of 5 year's old, you should know the difference between right and wrong, and any 5 year old in any country can read a Bible if you keep your penise's off them, half brain's like you just act as if you can read it, and that's a fact, because if you did, you wouldn't be calling Prince William The Beaux, when in Old English it mean's a 'Tomboy', and I can't wait to see prince William in a White Wedding Gown!!! That's how much you know how to read the Prophetic Bible!
Posted by KaNut/ka~Os  on  Sun Mar 23, 2008  at  07:55 PM
Here's an article I read some time back and just re-found:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/22/placa/
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sat Mar 29, 2008  at  03:08 AM
Good to hear from you again Cranky. I actually remember hearing about this on the news when he was still running for president and I remember Fox was talking about whether or not it was okay to have an accused sex abuser help him in his campaign.To be homest that was a pretty stupid move on Guiliani's part.(if that's how you spell his name) I have a question for you though Cranky. Do you still know if the accused sexual abuser is still working as a clergyman or is he no longer working as a a clergyman? Thanks.
Posted by William  on  Sat Mar 29, 2008  at  12:14 PM
Wow- it's pretty quiet in here, something's wrong...It's too quiet...
Posted by William  on  Wed Apr 02, 2008  at  03:44 PM
Found this by the way :The U.S. Catholic Church has responded to its national abuse scandal with a systemic solution. Each diocese must have a molestation policy that requires an investigation by a lay-dominated review panel, care for the victims, defrocking of abusive priests, and protection of the rights of the accused and accusers.

It's from http://www.biblicalrecorder.org/content/news/2007/06_25_2007/ne250607the.shtml
Posted by William  on  Wed Apr 02, 2008  at  03:54 PM
That's certainly a step in the right direction on the part of the Church, William. It would have been nice if they had instituted it BEFORE dozens of lawsuits were filed and several dioceses went into bankruptcy. It is certainly needed.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Apr 03, 2008  at  12:56 AM
Yeah it is, seems like things are finally coming together for the Catholic Church and its sex abuse complaints are finally being handled in a way that seems to please most people.
Posted by William  on  Thu Apr 03, 2008  at  04:53 PM
It seems like Joshua was right all along about the Catholic Church and their solution with how to go about dealing with pedophiliac priests, even if he was a delusional psychopath with no proof to back up his arguments. I believe that's called irony.Peace.
Posted by Ian Richardson  on  Thu Apr 10, 2008  at  02:18 PM
Here's an article from today's Denver Post:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_8884062
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Fri Apr 11, 2008  at  02:13 PM
That's interesting and all but at the end it mentioned how that priest whom was accused of groping the man was defrocked as was another priest in Denver who died in 2003.
Posted by Ian Richardson  on  Fri Apr 11, 2008  at  04:16 PM
Even the Pope admits that the Catholic Church handled the child abuse cases extremely badly:

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20080416/D9038HR00.html

"That's interesting and all but at the end it mentioned how that priest whom was accused of groping the man was defrocked as was another priest in Denver who died in 2003."

Oooh, their wrists must really sting from that slapping. Child molesters need to be put into JAIL, not just kicked out of their little club.

Yes, it looks as if the Church is FINALLY taking the problem seriously, but it shouldn't have taken hundreds or thousands of complaints and two billion dollars in payments to victims.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Wed Apr 16, 2008  at  05:25 PM
Well, it WAS nice to think that the Pope was sincere about wanting "transparency" in the child abuse scandal. That was until I saw this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/apr/24/children.childprotection
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Apr 17, 2008  at  01:14 AM
Cranky first off the priest mentioned in that article of yours did eventually go to jail, and this excerpt from an article provided by Will saying "The U.S. Catholic Church has responded to its national abuse scandal with a systemic solution. Each diocese must have a molestation policy that requires an investigation by a lay-dominated review panel, care for the victims, defrocking of abusive priests, and protection of the rights of the accused and accusers." is from 2008 wheras your article is from 2005. That was three years ago and as Will has laready proven the Pope is handling the situation all right now.
Posted by Ian Richardson  on  Sun Apr 20, 2008  at  04:35 PM
P.S.- Also You might want to check the dates on the articles you use as "proof" before posting them on here, as all they do is cause confusion and feature inaccurate data on CURRENT situations.
Posted by Ian Richardson  on  Sun Apr 20, 2008  at  04:37 PM
Ian Richardson said:

"'The U.S. Catholic Church has responded to its national abuse scandal with a systemic solution. Each diocese must have a molestation policy that requires an investigation by a lay-dominated review panel, care for the victims, defrocking of abusive priests, and protection of the rights of the accused and accusers'. is from 2008 wheras your article is from 2005."

I never said that the article WASN'T from 2005.

Yes, I'm aware of what the Church is currently saying. Only time will determine whether it's just words, however.

"That was three years ago and as Will has laready proven the Pope is handling the situation all right now."

Yes, the Church is SAYING it is handling the situation. We'll see.

Can anyone produce proof that the Catholic Church has turned even one child molesting priest over to law enforcement or even merely excommunicated one? The Bishops were quick to say that politicians who support abortion rights were automatically excommunicated, but I can't recall any official Church statements on the same thing concerning priests who anally raped children.

Over the past weekend, the Pope administered Communion to Rudy Giuliani, the ex-mayor of New York City, who at least used to support abortion rights and who married at least once outside of the Church, which SHOULD exclude him from Communion. This kind of hypocrisy is the reason I'm less than 100% confident that the Church will follow through on its nice words about protecting children.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sun Apr 20, 2008  at  05:16 PM
Look Cranky I'm not trying to start a fight, I was just pointing something out. But just so you know molestation and raping/getting divorced are not some of the reasons one gets excommunicated. You get excommunicated for heresy, pro-abortion people in the government-you get the idea. But the Church does teach you are forgiven of sins, if you are truly sorry for them, during the Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession) Guiliani has gone to confession to confess his sins thus he CAN recieve communion, and he probably talked about what he could do to recieve communion again- you don't know as you do not have a personal relationship with Guliani so don't go assuming things like that.And the same thing goes for the molestors.It's not hypocrisy it's a little thing called "RECONCILIATION" and as everyone has made mistakes God forgives them if they are truly sorry and thus so does his Church.
Posted by Ian Richardson  on  Tue Apr 22, 2008  at  05:50 PM
Ian Richardson said:

"But just so you know molestation and raping/getting divorced are not some of the reasons one gets excommunicated. You get excommunicated for heresy, pro-abortion people in the government-you get the idea."

Let's see...the Catholic Church says it is the One True Faith. The Pope, according to the Church, is God's emissary on Earth. The Church's rules come through the Pope from God (after all, where else would they come from?)

If we accept that, we're left with the conclusion that God takes "heresy" and being pro-choice MUCH more seriously than He takes anal raping young children.

Wow. I know He works in mysterious ways and all that, but...wow.

Oh, by the way, Rudy Giuliani was very vocally pro-choice when he was mayor of New York, but apparently that only matters to the Church if you're a Democrat (as witnessed by the fact that Bishops announced they would not administer Holy Communion to John Kerry because he was pro-choice, although they had no problem with Rudy receiving it).
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Apr 24, 2008  at  01:29 AM
Believe what you want Cranky, I have no desire to get inot a theological/moral debate with you. Have a great life.
Posted by Ian Richardson  on  Thu Apr 24, 2008  at  03:25 PM
I think what I said is logical and factual, Ian. I guess if you could defend the actions of the Church, you would.

I wish you a good life, as well.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Apr 24, 2008  at  04:36 PM
Cranky I don't think it's a matter of whether or not Ian wanted to answer your questions, the question is really whether or not he wanted to deal with YOU.
Posted by G.N.R. FAN  on  Thu Apr 24, 2008  at  05:58 PM
G.N.R. Fan said:

"Cranky I don't think it's a matter of whether or not Ian wanted to answer your questions, the question is really whether or not he wanted to deal with YOU."

I guess that's one way to rationalize not being able to explain the irrational behavior of your church. I think it's called "blame the messenger."

Honestly, does it make sense that the Church will excommunicate you for being pro-choice or for being married outside of it but NOT for anally raping young children? Remember, *I* say that, Ian did. I just pointed out the absurdity of it.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Fri Apr 25, 2008  at  12:52 AM
Don't you people have better things to do than pick on the Catholic Church? I don't remember them ever talking sh*t about you so why do you feel the need to talk sh*t about them? I know as Americans (and British people for KAOS) we have freedom of speech but we do have hate crime laws too. The fact is Kaos you have issues, I don't have to say anything else your comments speak for themselves, and Cranky you have this thing that whenever someone tries to protect a Church that has never hurt you in any way to get all pissed off and start ranting. Even when William provides you with CURRENT AND VERY RECENT news articles saying that this current Pope is making sure sexual abuse cases drastically decrease in the next couple of years you simply call it "lies" make an unnecessary comment about priest's raping boys and provide us with out-dated articles from before our current Pope was even elected to be the next successor of St. Peter. Great, I am NOT going to disagree with you that THER WERE problems with priest's sexually abusing children, and I am NOT going to disagree when you say that there WAS a problem with the Vatican not knowing how to deal with these problems and then consequestely covering them up. But the fact is NOW, RIGHT NOW in the present times the Pope has promised to change all that and make sure problems with sexual abuse of children does not occur anymore and that the priests will be quickly de-frocked and punished by the full extent of the law in whatever state they live in.
Posted by J.R.  on  Sat Apr 26, 2008  at  10:45 PM
J.R. said:

"Cranky you have this thing that whenever someone tries to protect a Church that has never hurt you in any way to get all pissed off and start ranting."

Since I never said that the Catholic Church hurt *me,* bringing that up is a red herring. The fact is that people in the Catholic Church DID hurt young children and other people in the Church took steps to cover those crimes up. THAT'S what I'm mad at the Church for. Besides, how would you know whether I have ever been hurt by the Catholic Church? You're going to hurt yourself jumping to conclusions like that.

Do you remember the part of the Bible where Jesus says that you will be judged by how you treat the least among us? If you believe that, then you have to think that the child molesting priests will not be judged well upon their death.

"Even when William provides you with CURRENT AND VERY RECENT news articles saying that this current Pope is making sure sexual abuse cases drastically decrease in the next couple of years you simply call it "lies" make an unnecessary comment about priest's raping boys and provide us with out-dated articles from before our current Pope was even elected to be the next successor of St. Peter."

Please show me where I said the Pope was lying. What I DID say was that I was less than convinced that the Church will follow through on those lovely-sounding words.

My skepticism would be based, at least in part, on something called the Ratzinger Report. I've referred to this before; it's a report written by the current Pope back in the 80's which recommendd that the Church sit on the information about children who were molested by priests until ten years after their 18th birthday. In other words, information about a child who was molested at ten years old would be sealed for EIGHTEEN YEARS. Looks like a cover-up to me.

The Pope is saying nice things now. Unfortunately, his actions in the past contradict the notion that he is for transparency and openness.

People, including the Pope, should be judged by their actions rather than their words.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sun Apr 27, 2008  at  01:00 AM
The problem Cranky is, that in the 80's, when this the current Pope, Pope Benedict,came up with this "cover-up" idea he was not a Pope. He was simply another clergyman.Now yes, I have already said that the Catholic Church DID cover-up these sexual abuse cases and I agree with you, and I am Catholic. I have no problem admitting that, as a Catholic, my Church did NOT handle this situation very well at all.And I CAN see what you mean when you said that his actions in the past are leading you to doubt whether or not what he is saying is trustworthy.But I feel I must point out that in the Bible it says that Christ's Church will suffer from human frailities. Thus events do occur where the best option is not always taken and that is unfortunate but inevitable at the same time. The ONLY time the Catholic Church claims to be infallible is when the Pope guided by the Holy Spirit announces a new doctrine. ALL OTHER TIMES when the Pope says things they are not infallible. He simply tries to decide what is the best action to take in a certain scenario, as well as his clergy. I understand it is hard to know in your case, as well as many other peoples cases if Pope Benedict is telling the truth but come on. Give the man a chance, will ya?
Posted by J.R.  on  Sun Apr 27, 2008  at  07:02 AM
KAOS YOU ARE CRAZY.PLEASE LEAVE THIS SITE AND NEVER COME BACK.PLEASE.
Posted by J.R.  on  Sun Apr 27, 2008  at  07:04 AM
Holy Canola Oil, Dude... can I have some of what your'e smoking? Great stamina, persistant fervor, and whole-hearted twistedness... I'm jealous, please share
Posted by Hairy Houdini  on  Sun Apr 27, 2008  at  09:28 AM
Oh, and you left the N out of MuNchausen. Sorry, OCD sucks, and I'm obsessed with getting rid of it.
Posted by Hairy Houdini  on  Sun Apr 27, 2008  at  09:32 AM
Cranky by chance have you ever googled "cranky media guy?" Do you own a website? Sorry random question. Talk to you soon.
Posted by J.R.  on  Sun Apr 27, 2008  at  01:58 PM
Why do you ask, J.R.?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sun Apr 27, 2008  at  05:14 PM
I saw an internet site entitled "Cranky Media Guy" and I noticed he wrote articles with the same type of writing style, I guess you could say, that I noticed you wrote with. That's all- but is that your site?
Posted by J.R.  on  Mon Apr 28, 2008  at  12:05 PM
FOUND THIS "I've arranged for a guest blogger while Flora and I are gone. It's someone quite familiar to many people here -- none other than Cranky Media Guy (aka Bob Pagani). He has perfect credentials for the position. He's a media hoaxer, radio personality, warden of the Abu Ghraib Fantasy Prison Camp, and winner of the $365M Powerball Lottery. He'll be blogging from up north in Oregon." I'm Italian too Cranky I guess we have one thing in common.My dad was vice-president of Chrysler for 26 years but he didn't make 365 million dollars- he made like somewhere around 60 million dollars total so you have A LOT more money than I do but we're both rich so that's two things in common. We both live up north, that's three.I don't like the radio talk-shows though, and I don't know what the hell an "Abu Ghraib Fantasy Prison Camp" is- doesn't sound to fun though. Sorry I'm bored and didn't know what to talk about. Can't talk to KAOS 'cause she's (yeah KAOS is a girl)INSANE and I don't know what she's even talking about. Just you ,Cranky, you're the only sane person in here, and you're opinionated so now I guess we have 4 things in common. So I think I answered my own question those are about you on the internet. Talk to you soon.
Posted by J.R.  on  Mon Apr 28, 2008  at  12:14 PM
SCRATCH THAT PEOPLE- Mr.Pagani Never won the lottery. WE only have three things in common now...liar.
Posted by J.R.  on  Mon Apr 28, 2008  at  12:18 PM
I've got to tell you Mr. Pagani it's not that hatrd to find out stuff about you. You're all over the internet.You got fired for the "Headless Herald" incident, faked winning the lottery supposedly for publicity reasons, have been in the radio peronality business, are "not intimidated by bullies" and seem to be very confident when it comes to standing up for yourself. Impressive.
Posted by J.R.  on  Mon Apr 28, 2008  at  12:29 PM
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