Catholic Church as The Matrix

image A Matrix-style poster depicting a Catholic priest as Neo isn't a spoof. The Catholic Church really is distributing these things. It's part of their new recruitment campaign:

The poster's creator, the Rev. Jonathan Meyer, 28, associate director of youth ministries for the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, says pop culture is the key to attracting young men to an occupation that has gotten bad press.
"If we can get high-school youth to hang a picture of a priest in their room, that's huge in helping young men to answer the call to the priesthood," the cleric said. "Anyone who is a 'Matrix' guru looks at the picture and automatically gets it."
Crucifix in hand, Father Meyer posed for the poster, rated R for "restricted to those radically in love with Jesus Christ." Running time is "all eternity," and its title reads, "The Catholic priesthood: The answer is out there ... and it's calling you."


I'm wondering how far the Neo as Catholic priest analogy can be extended. In the second Matrix movie, Neo has sex with Trinity. So how are we supposed to interpret that? In one sense it seems appropriate (priests are dedicating themselves to God, or the Holy Trinity), but in another way it doesn't seem to be the message the Church intended. (via Notes From the Lounge)

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Posted on Mon Aug 22, 2005



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Hey Mike thanks but I feel it is important to note you are probably getting Cranky a little angry by shoving my words in his face again after I did, but thanks for the kind words and God Bless you too.
Posted by GOD  on  Thu Jan 24, 2008  at  12:45 PM
Ah, so I was "dominated" by him refuting a point I never made! Fascinating.

For what I hope is the last time, I'll tell you AGAIN what I've been saying all along. The Catholic Church covered up the CRIME committed by priests who sexually molested children.

"God" claimed that that wasn't true. To "prove" his claim, he linked to articles which clearly said it WAS true. Sorry, but that's more than a little silly.

I NEVER SAID that the Church didn't "forgive" the molesting priests. OK, it did. So what?

What I said (which is 100% accurate) was that Cardinal Law and others in the Catholic Church hierarchy knew about the molestations and DID NOT report them to law enforcement or the families of the victims. As "God's" own links prove, that DID HAPPEN, which was the point of contention between us.

Now that he has been shown to be wrong on that point, "God" wants to change the discusion to whether or not the Church forgave the priests.

It doesn't matter if the Church forgave the priests. THE LAW says that if you have knowledge of a CRIME like sexual molestation, you are supposed to report it. Cardinal Law and others broke the law by NOT reporting the crimes. That is "obstruction of justice." There is no law that says if you "forgive" the molester, you don't have to report his crimes.

You know, I'm starting to feel like I'm watching a movie I've seen before.

Some time back, a person using a different name appeared on this thread. He followed the exact same pattern as "God." He, too, linked to articles which completely contradicted the point he was trying to make, which was identical to "God's."

When I pointed that out, his tone changed, his spelling got worse and he seemed to "lose it." Eventually, he was banned from the forum after lashing out incoherently and calling me names.

I'm sure you can guess what I'm thinking here.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Jan 24, 2008  at  01:50 PM
Dear Cranky, I find it quite unfortunate you have to resort to name calling at this point however subtle it may be. However I have no intention of lashing out at you like "Joshua" did- that is whom you are talking of is it not? Blatantly though you still do not get my point. Your point is "that Cardinal Law and others in the Catholic Church hierarchy knew about the molestations MY POINT IS THIS :"What the sites DID say was that a Cardinal gave a priest a second chance. Christianity IS about second chances. These sites of mine only go on to say that "the diocese has released the names of 80 other priests accused of sexual abuse.: \ The Church has given over the priests to the authorities. This is also what my sites from PBS,Japan today, and sandiego news say started this whole "scandal" idea. When they realeased the news that Dioceses were now giving away names of the criminals and handing them over to the authorities the press had a field day. They made a mountain out of a molehill. I'm not saying the priests weren't wrong in molesting innocent children. they were wrong, but the Church gave away those priests to the authorities. The Church did nothing wrong. They gave the priests a second chance and when they failed that 2nd chance the Church handed them over to the authorities. The problem here though is you feel this is a cover up. My sites only say that after giving the priests a second chance the Church then apologized for its error and not only handed them over to the authorities but payed a large sum of money to the victims. Before I go any further I would like to state something regarding what you said "It doesn't matter if the Church forgave the priests. THE LAW says that if you have knowledge of a CRIME like sexual molestation, you are supposed to report it. Cardinal Law and others broke the law by NOT reporting the crimes. That is "obstruction of justice." There is no law that says if you "forgive" the molester, you don't have to report his crimes." I know for a fact that is not really a true statement. My sisiter was molested by my grandfather at age 4, who is an atheist by the way. My mother talked to a lawyer that told us if we WANTED to we could press charges, but by no meand did we have to. We have not spoken to him or any of our other family members is many years due to the fact when we told everyone else they didn not belive us. But we do this out of safety, not bitterness. We have forgiven him because we know that in a moment of pure human weakness, and against better judgement he still molested my sister. But we forgave him. That's all that the church did with those priests. And it may seem like a bad decision to some but under extremem amounts of pressure think of all the times you've screwed up on a good judgement call. And to be completely fair to the Catholic Church all they did was what they thought was right, and you can never fully please everyone no matter how much they feel you need to.
Posted by GOD  on  Thu Jan 24, 2008  at  06:09 PM
After much thought I feel that it is time I stopped commenting on this site. This is both due to the fact it is intefering with my work and we are getting nowhere. To Mike- thanks for the kind words even though I didn't really get what you were trying to say. To Kaos- I feel you need to seek mediaction as it is apparent you are suffering from bot ADHD and anxiety- but whom am I to decide that? Have a good life Kaos. And Finally to Mr. Cranky Media Guy- I know we have not seen eye to eye over the past week or so but I would like to thank you for replying to my comments and replying very fast also. I pray that in your search for the truth that you find it. I pray that also when you do find it that you appreciate it for what it is, and you find peace and warmth in it. I pray that no matter what you stick to your beliefs and do what you truly feel is the right thing to do because no one can truly change anyone's beliefs, we are who we are. Finally Cranky I pray that when you do find the truth you are seeking you never let go of it because that is truly a gift to remember and keep with you forever. God Bless all of you on this site. And may God Bless The One True Holy Catholic Church. Amen -"GOD"
Posted by GOD  on  Thu Jan 24, 2008  at  07:06 PM
Well, I've been watching you both go at it now since the beginning and I've got to say I'm impressed with both of you. Cranky Media Guy is stubborn yet surprisingly intelligent. It just seems you are a little narrow-minded Cranky Media Guy-with all due respect of course. Also I've go to ask- what was that Joshua person like? You guys seem to talk about him all the time yet I have no idea what the hell is going on whenever you mention him. "God" well "God"what can I say about you? I saw what you point was but it really wasn't apparent what your opinion was exactly until your last couple of comments on this page. It was almost like both of you were so passionate about your own beliefs you ignored what each person was trying to say was their point. In fact I still don't get how you did not understand "God's" position on this. He said it all in his last 2 paragraphs befor his last comment. And "God" how did you not see you were using sites that evidently contradicted your points. But I have to give it to both of you- good debate. Oh and "God" that was a pretty cool thing you did in your last comment thanking everyone like that. Nice! My standing on this whole sitiuation? While the Catholic Church (I'm evangelical by the way) did not do what was best the did give the priests second chaces and as "God" said Christianity is about giving second chances to people who don't deserve it. Anyway I'm not here to debate, just read everyones thoughts and comments. So? Commence fighting AGAIN!!!!!!
Posted by Ethan  on  Thu Jan 24, 2008  at  11:21 PM
Wow.Wow. Cranky you are possibly the most arrogant human to ever walk the face of this earth. Sorry to get off topic a little Charybodis or whatever your name is but WOW. Cranky I've read all your stuff. From page 2 you've insulted EVERYONE who disagrees with you, ignored the facts and are the most sarcastic person I've ever met, and I've never even met you. And you know what? I can already see you sending ME a sarcastic comment after I post this. I bet you are a skinny, nerdy, little, white guy in his 40's that has nothing better to do than post stuff on here every day for the past 3 years or so. I'm sorry all of us normal people don't get what you are trying to say but you are a MORON. I think that you should look up this :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance. It might help you. Oh and I'm an atheist by the way so what now??????? My standing on this situation? I'm with "God"
Posted by Ethan  on  Thu Jan 24, 2008  at  11:47 PM
Sorry I had to. And yes I know I said I was a evangelical but know what? I'm not anymore after hearing what everyone here has written in "the name of God" Quite frankly I'm disgusted.
Posted by Ethan  on  Thu Jan 24, 2008  at  11:48 PM
"God" said:

"What the sites DID say was that a Cardinal gave a priest a second chance. Christianity IS about second chances."

Is Christianity also about breaking the law? As I've said repeatedly already, so what if the Church "forgave" the child molesting priests? Cardinal Law and others in the church's hierarchy BROKE THE LAW by NOT reporting their crimes to the police. "Forgiving" them is just a way to avoid doing what the law REQUIRED them to do. It added to the pain of the victims and created the possibility of causing MORE children to be sexually molested.

If that's acceptable to Catholics and the Catholic Church, I'm glad I'm no longer a member.

Ethan said:

"I still don't get how you did not understand "God's" position on this."

Oh, I understood it perfectly well. It was just irrelevant to what he was trying to argue with me about. I said that higher-ups in the Catholic Church had covered up the crimes of the priests who sexually molested children (and I was correct about that). "God" said I was wrong and then, to "prove" his point, gave us links to articles that showed me to be correct. Interestingly enough, Joshua did the exact same thing months ago.

"I bet you are a skinny, nerdy, little, white guy in his 40's that has nothing better to do than post stuff on here every day for the past 3 years or so."

Incorrect in every respect.

"Oh and I'm an atheist by the way so what now??????? My standing on this situation? I'm with 'God'"

"Sorry I had to. And yes I know I said I was a evangelical but know what? I'm not anymore after hearing what everyone here has written in "the name of God" Quite frankly I'm disgusted."

And I'M the one who should look up "cognitive dissonance?"
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Fri Jan 25, 2008  at  01:17 AM
Okay here we go Media Guy
1."Judge lest not ye be judged"
2. "Let he whom has not sinned cast the first stone"
3."...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
...Or for you non-Catholics-
1. Don't judge people because of their faults etc... or you too will be judged just as if not more harshly than you judged.
2. Who are you to criticize one persons faults or errors for you to have made mistakes and not always done the right thing.
3. No one is perfect so why do you insist on judging people whom have made errors at a moment in their past, for you have too, and if you truly want to judge these priests please Cranky- tell me your most horrible sins/errors in judgement.
In conclusion either get a life or quit judging people for errors they have made in their past.
Posted by Nick  on  Sun Jan 27, 2008  at  09:47 PM
Yeah, I'll try to remember all that Biblical stuff the next time a priest sodomizes my child.

OK, for what I hope will be the last time, I'll explain this. I don't care if the Church "forgave" the child molesting priests. Under the law, those in the Church hierarchy had a REQUIREMENT to report what they knew to the police.

The fact that Cardinal Law and others "forgave" them for this sins in no way changes the fact that they broke the law by not reporting those crimes. Spritual forgiveness does NOT relieve you of your responsibility under the law.

Besides, don't you find it disgusting that Law and others allowed the priests to continue to be in contact with children AFTER THEY KNEW (by Law's own admission) that boys had been sexually abused?

You don't need to quote the Bible to me, thank you very much. I'm aware of that scripture; it isn't relevant to the legal situation.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Mon Jan 28, 2008  at  12:00 AM
WOW- THANK YOU- APPARENTLY YOU ARE TOO IMMATURE TO HEAR THE TRUTH. end of discussion.
Posted by Nick  on  Mon Jan 28, 2008  at  05:58 PM
Hey Cranky Media Guy- like my name? Oh and when you said "Yeah, I'll try to remember all that Biblical stuff the next time a priest sodomizes my child." Do you even have kids and if so why would you lie to us about them being molested? That's not cool man. You are more narrow-minded than those people who think the Beatles are actually good singers- but then again you probably do like that band. Anway to get back on topic... In the Bible and Qoran (If that is how you spell it) and Torah, or whatever etc...- All of them mention at LEAST once that God is above the law. And Jesus (whether or not you are Catholic or religious at all is irrelevant) formed what is known as the Catholic Church today starting with St. Peter and working its way up in history to our current Pope Benedict, through a long line of apostolic succession. In those books it mentions how God and his appointed Church leaders are the FINAL AUTHORITY- Not the Law and Government created by man through NO apostolic succession whatsoever. So in other words the Church did what it felt was right and did what was the Biblically correct thing to do- they made the Church the final authority and when they deemed it necessary for those priests to got to jail- after giving them a second chance as "God" says best "...a Cardinal gave a priest a second chance. sorry for all of you non-christains out there but Jesus told us to give second chances and to forgive one another. His apostles even preached in Acts that Jesus was the Messiah and gave them second- chances to become Christians. Christianity IS about second chances." In conclusion Crany Media Guy- Open up your head to the possibility you are wrong about this particular situation. I'm sure it's not the first time you have been wrong about something. Peace and May Christ Bless the Catholic Church.
Posted by I'm not Cranky Media Guy  on  Mon Jan 28, 2008  at  07:46 PM
When I get into these little debates, I try to remind myself that the people I'm arguing with are not unintelligent, that we simply disagree about the subject at hand. I'll make an exception in your case, though, I'm Not.

"Do you even have kids and if so why would you lie to us about them being molested? That's not cool man."

Yes, I have two grown children. What exactly is it you imagine I "lied" about?

"You are more narrow-minded than those people who think the Beatles are actually good singers- but then again you probably do like that band."

And the irrelevancies begin.

"Anway to get back on topic... In the Bible and Qoran (If that is how you spell it) and Torah, or whatever etc...- All of them mention at LEAST once that God is above the law."

Uh huh. So what? This may come as a surprise to you, but America is NOT a theocracy, nor is it a "Christian nation." Priests and other clergy can be and have been arrested on more than one occasion. NOTHING in America says that a member of the clergy is above the law.

"So in other words the Church did what it felt was right and did what was the Biblically correct thing to do- they made the Church the final authority and when they deemed it necessary for those priests to got to jail- after giving them a second chance as "God" says best "...a Cardinal gave a priest a second chance."

Again, completely irrelevant to the law of the United States.

Apparently, in your fantasy world, a priest could murder someone and it would perfectly OK for the higher-ups in the Catholic Church to have knowledge of that and withhold it from the authorities. Fascinating. Also completely wrong.

"sorry for all of you non-christains out there but Jesus told us to give second chances and to forgive one another."

Uh, yeah, he did, but Jesus was speaking about SPIRITUAL forgiveness, not protection from civil penalties.

It's very sad that you think that a priest should be able to sexually molest many children and receive NO punishment for those disgusting acts.

I don't think that's "Christian." I think it's deranged.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Tue Jan 29, 2008  at  01:29 AM
Nick said:

"WOW- THANK YOU- APPARENTLY YOU ARE TOO IMMATURE TO HEAR THE TRUTH. end of discussion."

Well, you sure told me! (You WERE talking to me, right?)

I'm surprised you didn't go with, "I'm rubber, you're glue."

Some of you guys make me feel like a Major Leaguer playing Tee Ball at the Special Olympics.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Tue Jan 29, 2008  at  01:34 AM
Okay here we go-
1. For you information Cranky, America was FOUNDED by CHRISTIANS. This country was founded and based on Christian priciples and if you don't believe so you need more of that medication you're taking - whatever it is.
2."Yes, I have two grown children. What exactly is it you imagine I "lied" about?" Let me restate the question so you can understand me. Were your children ever molested and is this how you have this twisted view on this priest pedohilia situation?
3.You also said "NOTHING in America says that a member of the clergy is above the law." No that's true it does not but it also doesn't say people can't be in cults like the KKK, Or for example the Scientologist faith, and other cults most featuring suicide as a means to salvation. Just because American Laws have not covered EVERYHTING in the world regarding religions etc... does not mean that they are AGAINST their beliefs or in some cases FOR their beliefs (Like for instance the KKK's hanging and harassing of Jews, Catholics and Blacks.)
4. You also said "Apparently, in your fantasy world, a priest could murder someone and it would perfectly OK for the higher-ups in the Catholic Church to have knowledge of that and withhold it from the authorities. Fascinating. Also completely wrong." No not wrong. Completely Right actually. For as I stated before the Churches in countless religions believe that The Church is the final authority. And once again this Nation WAS founded on Christian principles so it is not wrong, they are not withholding it from the authorities they are simply dealing with it on their own, having no need to ask the authorities for help (except for when they desire it), because The Catholic Church founded by Christ himself believes that the Holy Spirit will guide the Church into the direction HE wants it to go. Thus the Church working under the guidance of The Holy Spirit does what they HE feels is best and so that is why they gave the priest's second chances. Because "Christianity is about getting second chances."
5."You said : "Uh, yeah, he did, but Jesus was speaking about SPIRITUAL forgiveness, not protection from civil penalties." I'm not talking about civil penalties. As molestation is a sin the Church "spiritually forgave" the piests, not with the intention of breaking the law or "protecting them from civil penalties" but with the intention of trying to be like Christ in every single aspect of life and once again hopefully for the last time they did this because Christiantiy IS about getting second chances.
Posted by I'm not Cranky Media Guy  on  Tue Jan 29, 2008  at  06:59 PM
I'm Not said:

"For you information Cranky, America was FOUNDED by CHRISTIANS. This country was founded and based on Christian priciples and if you don't believe so you need more of that medication you're taking - whatever it is."

Ah, personal insults: the last refuge of those who don't know what they're talking about.

No, sorry to break it to you, but American was NOT "founded and based on Christian principles."

If it was, wouldn't the Ten Commandments be the law of the land? You may not be aware of this, but it isn't illegal to NOT honor your father and mother. It is NOT illegal to "put another God before" the Christian God. Nor is it illegal to "covet another's wife" or "covet another's goods."

Yes, SOME (not all) of the Founding Fathers were Christians. They spent a very hot summer in Philadelphia working on the Constitution, arguing over every detail. Interestingly, they didn't include a single references to Jesus. Don't you think they would have if they really intended this to be a "Christian nation"?

The only official document of the U.S. government to my knowledge which actually addresses the notion of America being a "Christian nation" is the Treaty of Tripoli. The Treaty says that the "United States is in no way founded on the Christian religion."

By the way, just for laughs, you should do a little research on what some of the Founding Fathers had to say about religion in general and Christianity specifically. Some of the quotes are VERY amusing. Hint: they aren't what you'd like to believe they would be.

I realize that FACTS are of no interest to you in this case since they would disprove your no doubt deeply-held beliefs, but for many of the rest of us (especially those of us who don't like superstitious nonsense), they're pretty important. The facts don't support your opinions.

Let's see if I can predict what will happen next. You will either bring up the "In God We Trust" thing and the Pledge of Allegiance thing OR you will call me some names, say you're going to pray for me and stomp off.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Wed Jan 30, 2008  at  01:07 AM
Because I'm such a nice guy, I'm Not, I thought I'd do that distasteful "looking for facts" thing for you.

Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli reads:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

See, that's one of those "fact" things that you dislike so much. OK, what document of the United States government can you come up with which contradicts that quote?

Remember, it has to be an official document of the U.S. government which says that America is a "Christian nation" or words to that effect. No, personal opinions, no matter whose they may be, do NOT count.

Good luck chasing that chimera.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Wed Jan 30, 2008  at  02:03 AM
James 4:11-12 "Do not speak evil against one another,brothers and sisters.Whoever speaks evil against another or judges another, speaks evil against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save and destroy. So who, then, are you to judge your neighbor" Regarding why Cranky questions the Catholic Church's authority given by God to make decisions i.e.- giving a priest a "second chance"
Posted by Catholic  on  Thu Jan 31, 2008  at  05:33 AM
Catholic, like I'm Not, quotes from the Bible when it's not relevant to the discussion.

What I've been saying from the beginning of this discussion is that the LAW requires a person who has knowledge of child abuse to report such to the police. I never said anything at all about the Bible.

The fact is that what the Bible says is completely irrelevant to the laws of the United States. Priests can be, and have been, arrested. If what the Bible says was relevant, then one could get away with any crime, including murder according to I'm Not, by simply quoting it in one's own defense.

Saying "I'm not guilty because God has forgiven me" ain't gonna work in a court of law. Feel free to test your theory if you ever get into trouble.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Jan 31, 2008  at  01:40 PM
Don't you have anything better to do than reply to people for the last two years spreading hate, lies and decieving everyone whom has seen this site. I urge all you Catholic out there to heed this warning- Don't waste your time trying to reason with a man. St. Stephen couldn't reason with the Jewish leaders, Jesus with 99% of the world, God with the pagans, the Pope with the Protestants and God with Satan. It is pointless to try and reason with this man as he clearly will not accept truth, sense an even Perfectly Logical Statements that many a Catholic has made in Defense of the Catholic Church( not the child molesting priests but THE CHURCH) So don't waste your time- It's too late to save him- he already has d been drowned in lies and no lifejacket in the world could save him now. May God have Mercy on YOUR SOUL.
Posted by Cranky makes no sense  on  Thu Jan 31, 2008  at  04:44 PM
Instead of "trying to reason with a man" I meant trying to reason with this man a.k.a. cranky media guy. and instead of "sense an even Perfectly" I meant to say sense AND even...
May God help you all who do know know the truth- It's been staring at you in your face all these years just go to "www.protestanterrors.com" or google "catholic treasure chest" if you want to seek out more info on the catholic faith also see "newadvent" on-line and "ask-a-franciscan" if you have any questions regarding anything Catholic. They are very kind people and respond quickly!
Posted by Cranky makes no sense  on  Thu Jan 31, 2008  at  04:48 PM
Cranky makes no sense said:

"Don't you have anything better to do than reply to people for the last two years spreading hate, lies and decieving everyone whom has seen this site."

Yup, look at me "spreading hate and lies" by saying that priests--trusted authority figures--who stuck their penises into the anuses of underage boys for their own sexual pleasure should be prosecuted for those crimes. I must be INSANE to even suggest such a thing!

Clearly, they should be protected from punishment by the upper levels of the Church so that they can repeat their molestation of young children with impunity. After all, they were "forgiven" by the Church and that should supercede the law.

Here's a couple of thoughts. Perhaps the Catholic Church should make anal rape a sacrament. Then the Church could claim protection under the First Amendment right to worship as one sees fit whenever a priest gets into trouble for rape of a child.

Also, the Church should acquire a list of sex offenders to start a recruitment drive for the priesthood. After all, I keep hearing that the Church is having trouble getting men to become priests. Clearly, the Church is overlooking a treasure trove of likely candidates.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Fri Feb 01, 2008  at  01:16 AM
"Don't you have anything better to do than reply to people for the last two years spreading hate, lies and decieving everyone whom has seen this site."

Accusing me of those things is bearing false witness against your neighbor as I have done none of them. That accusation violates one of the Ten Commandments. You will, of course, confess that sin as soon as possible.

Would you please do us the favor of letting us know what penance you receive for that sin? Thank you.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Fri Feb 01, 2008  at  02:07 AM
When I was a child my Dad brought me home two penants from a Mets game. One said: "Mets", the other: "New York Mets". Then when I got older and heard that the priest in the confession handed out penants I was all for it. So when I got thru the whole First Holy Communion thing, I was real disappointed, not having received a new Mets penant, but instruction from the priest to recite 18,000 Hail Marys while standing on my head. I was a sinful child, but it was worth it. Still want those penants, tho
Posted by Hairy Houdini  on  Fri Feb 01, 2008  at  02:24 PM
Another Catholic child molester for Joshua/I'm Not/whatever name he's using this week to claim should be above punishment by the law:

http://www.wisn.com/news/15193608/detail.html

In a surprising twist, this one's a FEMALE!
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sun Feb 03, 2008  at  03:38 AM
Proof of my awesome power over the Catholic clergy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7227629.stm
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Tue Feb 05, 2008  at  01:20 AM
Well- how did this conversation go from a priest dressed up as neo- to preist molestation stories?
Posted by James Andreson  on  Thu Feb 07, 2008  at  02:24 PM
WOW.this is weird-you all are INSANE. Get a life-
Posted by James Andreson  on  Thu Feb 07, 2008  at  02:25 PM
By the way your BBC thing is about a 10% decline in clerg yet about how the church membership has reached 1.1. billion-nothing about molestation. Were you raped by your mother as a child because you are seriously one screwed up person- and I'm not even Catholic.
Posted by James Andreson  on  Thu Feb 07, 2008  at  08:27 PM
I'm perfectly well aware of what the BBC article is about, James. I was having a little fun tweaking the defenders of those who covered up for priests who sexually molested children.

"Were you raped by your mother as a child because you are seriously one screwed up person- and I'm not even Catholic."

You aren't Catholic and you aren't rational, either. So, your "logic" is that because I pointed out, factually, that higher-ups in the Catholic Church covered up for priests who sexually molested young kids, I must have been raped by my mother? Wow, just wow.

What's the color of the sky on your planet?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Fri Feb 08, 2008  at  12:59 AM
I don't know what the color is on my "planet"- are you a scientologist becuase that would explain how you are so screwed up.- Are you Tom Cruise? I hate your movies man, sorry I'm a little drunk. ALso (SORRY webpage manager person, please forgive me this is the last comment I will make that insults Cranky) Since you weren't raped by your mother I have another question for you - Did it hurt when your boyfriend ate your penis and then swallowed your balls and crapped them out and made you eat them?
Posted by James Andreson  on  Wed Feb 13, 2008  at  06:13 PM
I guess when you can't respond intelligently using facts to what someone else says, you are forced to resort to juvenile insults.

Just curious, James, is that how a Christian should act?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Feb 14, 2008  at  12:56 AM
I knew you were going to say that but I have a question for you? When did I ever say I was a christian, you dumb sh*t? And you don't have facts they are just made up crap from bullsh*t websites- that's fine if you want to bash someone elses faith (it's your life, man)but at least have legitimate sites- and don't tell me your sites are legitimate, I don't want to be lied to by a 50 year old retarded person.
Posted by James Andreson  on  Fri Feb 15, 2008  at  02:14 PM
Let's see, so far you have accused me of being a Scientologist and a 50-year-old retarded person. But I'M the one who's making assumptions? Fascinating.

So, ARE you a Christian? Remember, if you are, it's a sin to lie. Jesus said there would be people who would deny knowing him.

So, James, you think my sources are all making up the news stories about priests who have sexually molested young children and the higher-ups in the Catholic Church who covered that up? Don't you wonder why the priests accused of such a horrible crime and the Church haven't sued for libel and slander? I certainly would if I was incorrectly accused of such a thing.

Sorry, James, those things DID happen, even though you desperately want to believe they didn't.

If you have any actual EVIDENCE that they didn't, you need to contact the police and/or the FBI as soon as possible.

Please stop covering up for sexual predators. There's been enough of that already.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sat Feb 16, 2008  at  12:42 AM
I think I will contact the FBI and tell them a moron is on this site by the name of "cranky mediaguy" spreading hate, trying to make himself look like a God figure and everyone else as bad and subordinate to him, and the most arrogant gay queer out there. Oh and I didn't deny that the molestation/sex abuse cases never happened I just wanted to tell you that I really appreciated how you always show us the biased gay a*s reprts made by ifiots like yourself. GET A JOB AND GET OFF THE COMPUTER. Just because no one likes you doesn't mean it will be any different on the internet (we hate you here too)
Posted by James Andreson  on  Sun Feb 17, 2008  at  05:15 PM
James, I guess you think that if you try to disguise it by using a lot of hyperbole, we won't realize that you have NO argument against what I've said at all.

I've told the truth and backed it up with actual EVIDENCE. YOU have things you want desperately to believe and since you can't support them with FACTS, you have to resort to personal attacks.

"I didn't deny that the molestation/sex abuse cases never happened I just wanted to tell you that I really appreciated how you always show us the biased gay a*s reprts made by ifiots like yourself."

I guess you're referring to the NEWS "reprts" in reputable outlets like the Boston Globe. Yeah, it's just TERRIBLE that they tell the truth about how trusted authority figures like Catholic priests molested young boys. Why can't they just pretend they don't know about that?

OK, sarcasm off. If you're aware of any bias in the reporting of those crimes, why don't you tell us what it is, instead of making unsubstantiated accusations? What do you claim to know that the press didn't?

Has it occurred to you that, if you have actual information that might exonerate some of those priests, by not saying something, you're preventing justice from being done?

Of course, that would only be true IF you weren't just bitching for no reason.

Here's a shocking reality: not every news story you don't like is "biased."
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Mon Feb 18, 2008  at  01:03 AM
GO KILL YOURSELF- GOODBYE DICKHEAD.
Posted by James Andreson  on  Mon Feb 18, 2008  at  03:12 PM
Gee, and I thought you had nothing cogent to say.

Seriously, James, you have NO facts to back up the non-argument you have.

If you were intelligent (a BIG "if"), you would realize that and re-examine your position on child-molesting priests.

You aren't so you won't, though.

For the record, while you may THINK you're a good Christian, you aren't.

In all sincerity, I hope you never have children who find themselves in the sad position of being molested by an authority figure. It would be terrible for them to realize that, on top of having been abused, their parent made excuses for the person or persons who did it to them.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Mon Feb 18, 2008  at  05:44 PM
In all the years that I've slunk about the hallowed halls of MOH, I've never observed another poster say: "Go kill yourself, dickhead (sic)". That IS a cogent argument, tho, if you think about it... allow me to elucidate: If one thought that one was indeed within a "Matrix" of fabricated reality, wouldn't the shortest distance between two points be to end the virtual existance thru the quickest means, to progress, return, or default, if you will, to the true reality, devoid of artifice? One must assume, therefore, that Cranky Media Guy believes himself trapped with a Matrixical Mockup of Melodramatic Malaise, and is so distraught as to be willing to violently ascend to Enlightenment. I don't get that sense, and as for the Dickhead portion of Jovial James's Jumping Jesus Joust, well, a real Dickhead is rare, and one shouldn't jump to conclusions that one is a Dickhead, unless one is prone to claiming that being a Dickhead is integral to the process of Sepuku, or any other form of ritual suicide. I'm glad I was able to clear that up for you guys, carry on. _Ding Ding
Posted by Hairy Houdini  on  Mon Feb 18, 2008  at  07:06 PM
WTF! What is the Vatican on? What persecution have you had when your Fama Fraturnitatis deal with the Freemason's is to get rid of any witnesses against you, because the Freemason's are all in the Police Force's in every country, and your real origine is from a Nazi global peadophile industry! And what is Your 'CONDEMNATION OF JEANNETTE', if it aint all about hiding the fact that the Catholic Church is really a half brain Nazi peadophile ring, using the Bible, like a Schitzo using a fake identity to cover up your child abuse's, and that's all you are! You have no Scapegoat to run to anymore, we'll just use an MRI scanner on every priest to know in less than 15 second's if your lying or not, because we all know how you squeeze your butt cheek's together when your on a lie detector, because your alway's fucking eachother up the arse 24/7, that's why you wear a skirt like a protitute, just a quick lift and bend over anywhere! How would you like to know the real Whore of Babylon Fuck's up your soul's when your asleep, just as much as you fuck our kid's, and that's JUSTICE!
Posted by Ka~Os  on  Mon Feb 18, 2008  at  09:12 PM
Listen, I don't give a shit how many time's you refer to Jesus giving second chance's to catholic Priest's that persistently sexually abuse children, all the Catholic Chursh is a law onto themselve's, and running a peadophile industry to give every man a chance to fuck a kid and then claim a second chance out of a Hebrew Book that is reverse psychology Gealic Welsh! Well the fact is, the Bible is Not represented by any man made church on this Planet, no matter what you call it, and no matter what fake Nazi history you put behind it, your fake, and we all know you have no connection with any conscious god, other than your half brained super id!
Posted by Ka~Os  on  Mon Feb 18, 2008  at  09:22 PM
Hey cranky I was just curious- Are you aware that the Catholic Church actually has LESS cases of pedophilia,sex abuse scandals,and molestation cases than any other religious organization in the world? You can check out the stats on CNN, FOX and BBC news sites on the web. And please don't tell me that is irrevelant to the discussion as this page is supposed to be devoted to "catholic church as the matrix" not an ant-catholic site.
Posted by Mafia  on  Sat Feb 23, 2008  at  01:15 AM
I'm sure that's a HUGE comfort to the children who were molested by priests, Mafia.

Assuming that what you say is true, to me it's just one more argument against organized religion in general.

Hey, maybe the Vatican could use that as a slogan:

"27% fewer child molestations than any other major religion."

Actually, since you say these "stats" are on CNN, Fox and BBC, why don't you give us some links to them so we don't have to hunt all over?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sat Feb 23, 2008  at  04:51 AM
Didn't you read what I wrote you shit for brain's priest! The whole planet isnt oblivious to the fact and infalible evidance of the Vatican's connection's with the Mafia, Freemason's in the Police, and covering up your peadophile taxtict's in all the Public Record's to hide your Nazi Peadophile Industry, and even the BBC are involved in the underground medai that YOU Run!
It's obvious by your pathetic excuse at using Hebrew/Chaldea reverse Welsh Gaelic Bible Scripture's to cover your '2nd Chance for Nazi Peado Industry, that you are using this as a mean's of excuse for your ritual child abuse, just because of a Scripture regarding The Fire Of Chemosh, and putting your children throught he fire, ie; your Bohemian Grove play act that's suposed to be the art of Metempsychosis and killing off your stupid, pathetic immature childish selve's, you fucking bunch of wanking idiot half brained Pavlov's, becaus ethere's no where in the entire Bible does it state, 'Fuck your kid's is the Fire Of Chemosh', you fucking half brain, and that's because you onlyu have the capacity to use half a fucking brain, you incoherent dick fuck priest!!!! You have no concept of any form of Metempsychosi mentioned in the entire Bible, and I can't wait for you to claim publically to the whole public planet that you use the Prophet Mohammed's Text's as a Scapegoat for your underground Nazi Peado Industry, that You headed an International Ketamine Experiment via the Military Defence System's involved in Freemasonry in every country on this planet, and YOU think the whole planet dosn't know it!!! Here's the latest new's that you should tell your pathetic half brained Ratzinger, that Bedlam's in their own praverbial shit pit with Belldame, and you cartainly wont get an Orange out of me!
Posted by ka~Nut  on  Sat Feb 23, 2008  at  11:03 AM
I'm a parishoner of a church where Fr. Meyer resided for a few years and I want to weigh in on some of the conversation here with my own experiences.

#1) Father Meyer is a man that loves the Lord

#2) His purpose in making this poster was to take advantage of a popular icon in our culture and to establish interest in the youth to consider whether or not they are being called to a priestly vocation.

#3) He is a man who was deeply influenced by the teachings and example of John Paul II, who in my opinion is one of the most influential humanitarians of the modern era.

#4) I sense that many on this post have some pent-up angst against the Church. I don't know they are using the Church as a whipping post for their more general hatred of "organized religion" due to its membership totals (1 Billion worldwide) or if it's some other reason.

However many of you seem to be unwilling to be rational about your criticism by conflating the priestly sex abuse scandal with a parish priests attempt to do his vocation, which is to call all of God's people to fulfill their vocation (be it marriage or religious).
Posted by Matt  on  Sun Feb 24, 2008  at  07:34 PM
Cranky, I was wondering, so correct me if I am wrong: So you were a Catholic and then decided to leave the faith due to sex abuse scandals, then had kids and vowed to never go near a priest, clearly paraniod every priest in the world is a child molestor, basically stereotyping 1.3 billion people, then communicating with other paranoid people via the internet,along the way getting really arrogant and believing that everything YOU believe is right and 1.3 billion Catholics are wrong because some priests decided to fall from God's grace and molest a couple boys, then decided to be naive and think only Catholics had this problem, and now you are contaminating websites like this with your poisionous rumors(and yes I do think that there has been a problem w/priests molesting boys, but let's not forget there ARE other religious organizations with this exact same problem)thus creating INSANE people like KAOS, and along the way possibly becoming the most sarcastic (again correct me if I am wrong) atheist the world has ever seen. That about right Cranky?
Posted by Mike  on  Thu Feb 28, 2008  at  08:17 PM
No, Mike, that is NOT about right. Thanks for playing, though. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

Next time, try responding to what I've actually said instead of making up a bunch of nonsense about me. I've never said any of the things you're trying to put in my mouth.

Here's the funny thing: mischaracterizing my position will NOT change the fact that there HAVE been a number of priests who DID molest young boys and whose crimes were covered up by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. You can't make that go away by distorting what I've said. Why don't you spend your time more productively by actually helping the victims? I think that's called "Christian charity."
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Fri Feb 29, 2008  at  12:56 AM
You said "Here's the funny thing: mischaracterizing my position will NOT change the fact that there HAVE been a number of priests who DID molest young boys and whose crimes were covered up by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. : I said "yes I do think that there has been a problem w/priests molesting boys, but let's not forget there ARE other religious organizations with this exact same problem)" I'm not talking about MY "position" on this issue I'm simply stating that You "along the way getting really arrogant and believing that everything YOU believe is right and 1.3 billion Catholics are wrong because some priests decided to fall from God's grace and molest a couple boys, then decided to be naive and think only Catholics had this problem", is wrong.And thanks by the way for validating my claim that: "you were a Catholic and then decided to leave the faith due to sex abuse scandals, then had kids and vowed to never go near a priest, clearly paraniod every priest in the world is a child molestor, basically stereotyping 1.3 billion people, then communicating with other paranoid people via the internet,along the way getting really arrogant and believing that everything YOU believe is right" and, "along the way possibly becoming the most sarcastic (again correct me if I am wrong) atheist the world has ever seen." So yeah I'm pretty sure I WAS right.
Posted by Mike  on  Fri Feb 29, 2008  at  05:42 PM
Mike said:

"So yeah I'm pretty sure I WAS right."

Oh, I'm certain you think you're right. Funny thing, though, you're NOT. Don't let that get in the way of your belief, though.

"I'm simply stating that You "along the way getting really arrogant and believing that everything YOU believe is right and 1.3 billion Catholics are wrong because some priests decided to fall from God's grace and molest a couple boys, then decided to be naive and think only Catholics had this problem", is wrong."

Please show me where I've ever said anything like that. OR you can apologize for attempting to put such ridiculous words in my mouth. I won't hold my breath waiting for THAT to happen, of course.

You can't disprove the things I've said so you mischaracterize them by wildly exaggerating them and then attacking the things I've never said.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sat Mar 01, 2008  at  12:26 AM
Here's a link to an article about molesting priests and discussion about them:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20080221.html

Here's a paragraph from the middle of the article:

"And here is the result of this fabulous example of self-policing: If we're talking about protecting the Church from scandal, defrocking was good for the Church, generating some positive publicity and making the Church appear to be taking action. However, it was disastrous for everyone else's children, as no one seems to know where Sicoli is now. Because the Church never turned him into the authorities, he's not in jail, he's not on any Megan's Law list, and he's free to continue his predatory ways."

Since the defenders of the Catholic Church hierarchy which continues to cover up for priests who force themselves sexually on young boys have NO way to respond to this with FACTS, I predict that I am about to be attacked irrationally. Let the personal attacks begin!
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sat Mar 01, 2008  at  01:43 AM
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