A Matrix-style poster depicting a Catholic priest as Neo isn't a spoof. The Catholic Church really is distributing these things. It's part of their new recruitment campaign
The poster's creator, the Rev. Jonathan Meyer, 28, associate director of youth ministries for the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, says pop culture is the key to attracting young men to an occupation that has gotten bad press.
"If we can get high-school youth to hang a picture of a priest in their room, that's huge in helping young men to answer the call to the priesthood," the cleric said. "Anyone who is a 'Matrix' guru looks at the picture and automatically gets it."
Crucifix in hand, Father Meyer posed for the poster, rated R for "restricted to those radically in love with Jesus Christ." Running time is "all eternity," and its title reads, "The Catholic priesthood: The answer is out there ... and it's calling you."
I'm wondering how far the Neo as Catholic priest analogy can be extended. In the second Matrix movie, Neo has sex with Trinity. So how are we supposed to interpret that? In one sense it seems appropriate (priests are dedicating themselves to God, or the Holy Trinity), but in another way it doesn't seem to be the message the Church intended. (via Notes From the Lounge
To assume one has to have a beginning while the other doesn't is an illogical assumption not based on any facts or evidence. It's simply a blind spot people who feel compelled to present this argument suffer from and refuse to acknowledge.
Besides, we come back to the same old problem: matter can't come from nowhere but an infinite, all-knowing, all-powerful being CAN?
1.The dilemma is that even if, as you say Cranky,ENERGY-not matter was the 1st thing to come into existence in our universe it had to of been created by something else other than energy because it simply just can not possible create itself and/or pop into existence unless all of our scientific laws are invalid-which they obviously aren't.
2.You argument against God is "matter can't come from nowhere but an infinite, all-knowing, all-powerful being CAN?" But the critical thing you have to realize is that God does not operate by our laws.By this I simply mean that God does not die,he was not born,he can not sin,nor can he be subject to our same traits such as getting tired, sleeping, eating, etc...So the fact that everything in OUR world has a beginning does not make God invalid.God did not come into existence in our universe, he CREATED our universe, thus he is not subject to our laws such as having a beginning or dying.Yes, in our world eternal lfe is not at all possible but God does not live in OUR world he simply created it.God operates by his laws, and thus God was not born and did not have a beginning as he doesn't need to be since he doesn't exist in our universe.Thus the reason matter energy etc... all had a beginning is not at all like God's existence.He CREATED OUR UNIVERSE since we are not God and haven't always existed.Thus since we were created we had a beginning and will all die.But just because God created our beginning and we haven't lived forever does not mean God can't.God created us and thus we had a beginning,thus are laws are different than his.He is eternal since no one created him and thus that is how God is eternal and how he can be eternal but how our universe/energy/matter etc... can not be.
The fact that this doesn't really resolve the problem doesn't matter. It's all about BELIEF.
Why doesn't God operate by our laws? What proof do you have to support this?
If God doesn't operate by our laws then our logics and proofs of His existence cannot work on Him. If God doesn't operate by our laws then you cannot constrain Him by arguing that He must exist. Such logic and argument are, by your own definition, inapplicable and meaningless when trying to prove God. You've successfully managed to argue that you cannot prove God's existence using our logic.
Besides, it's a moot point. There is nothing to indicate that the universe and everything in it requires a beginning. That's just a bias you place on it without any real evidence to support it. If you say
"The universe (or matter, or energy, or whatever) has to have had a beginning!"
I will say
"bow the knee" is not bend over, it's curve! And a 'Dardah' is something you'll never catch in your eye, Carpe Diem!
Go read the Bible, because you proove you never read a word of it!
2. It's not my church. I'm not affiliated with any religion in any way.
3. No. Seriously, if you're going to be swearing a blue streak at anyone and everyone, and telling them that they're halfwits, then why should we respond?
I've sent an email to Alex, owner of the website, that he should review and possibly even close this thread down if things don't calm down.