Is Jim Morrison Alive?

Ray's not screaming HOAX! for the same reason the Doors and Admiral Morrison didn't sue Loyer's lying a**: he just ain't worth the time and trouble. He's small potatoes, and his claims are insulting and laughable at the same time to anyone who knew the real Jim Morrison--and to a majority of people who didn't.

And "David Logan," I don't believe for a minute that Loyer himself tried to get hold of Danny Sugerman OR Ray Manzarek. Was it you or JLizard who said it was MARSHA Loyer that Danny hung up on?

Personally, I doubt Loyer himself would have the stones to talk personally to someone who was close to the real Jim Morrison, even on the phone--let alone meet them face to face.

Unless he's insane.
Are you insane, Mr. <s>Loyer</s> "Logan?"

:lol: Salli hadn't posted yet when I started mine or I might not have bothered, but I will emphasize something that people might not have picked up on:

This silliness has been going on for over ten (10) years now. Ten long years, and still Loyer and his sychophants are pushing the same old nonsense, claiming that any time now he's going to go public with "the whole story" and the world will be stunned and amazed at the news that the Legend LIVES!

Except he already went public, back in 1999, and the world yawned, rolled its eyes, and said "Oh cripes, another nutcase..."

Of course Ray isn't screaming hoax. He's probably forgotten all about it. I know I had, until someone asked me a question about Chris Bangs and this site was the first thing that came up on Google. 😊

Loyer had a chance to talk to me on the phone back in 1999. When I asked why he hadn't called me, every excuse in the world was made by his agent as to why he hadn't.

That's the problem with Loyer. When he is actually given the chance to really talk to or meet with those of us who did know the real James Douglas Morrison of The Doors well, Loyer does everything to avoid us and tries to make it look like we're the ones who avoided him.

Loyer is afraid he can't pull off his con about being Jim. Any of us who did know Jim would be able to bust Loyer immediately for the fraud he is.

Didn't the Scrapbook turn out awesome.love it.

I remember a current affair episode where Ray Manzarek and a reporter went to Oregon and Bill Loyer would not speak to them. Wonder if David Logan or JLizard remember and what was the reason for Loyer not speaking to Manzarek?

I loved the scrapbook it was beautiful. The Forensic expert thinks it beautiful also.
In 99 Gerald was playing the big shot. I'm sorry you didn't get a chance to talk. I wish you could of. Your name was mentioned around the house there. 1999-2000 we were turning away from Rodeoswest.
Brett Hudson from A Current Affair, Fox, came in the driveway got out cameras rolling and started talking to his wife. I talked to Brett and showed him these pictures which were a take for them. Not knowing what was going on Jim stayed with the artillary. Brett never asked for an interview that day. The next day he was solo parked down the road. In the brush on a hillside is where Bill saw him. Investigative reporter. Mr. Manzerik was not there. I came up and tried to sick the dogs on em. They weren't to interested. Bill would have interviewed. We still didn't know what was going on.
You're absolutely right you would bust him immediately if you could prove to yourself he wasn't Jim (due respect) upon talking with him. Dear God Pray for us.
Right, wife called Danny. Jim called Ray in Grants Pass Or. 7 years later. He cancelled his concert that evening for whatever reason.
I have fumbled too. But guess what Salli most figured he was dead in 98. Now maybe close to half the people talked to have heard this. Nobody has matched up like this one. Eeaasy there Mzs Erwin.

March 6, 2006 is when the DOORSOFTHE21STCENTURY/RIDERSONTHESTORM/RAY&ROBBYSILLEGALATTEMPTTOMAKEMOREMONEYOFFTHEDOORS; were scheduled to play up in rural Oregon. The website simply said they cancelled the show.
Gerald sent me about a dozen legal sized flyers that I went around posting like Martin Luthor- at Sylvie's in Chicago, at Jimmy's in Hobart, included with VHS videos I was selling on ebay. Why would rock and rollers this world famous schedule at such a country music and small venue if it wasn't for something very peculiar going on.
I posted on Ray's website about the notion that Bill was Jim. Shortly afterward someone posted that I was lucky my post was still up- had this been Alan Graham's site I'd receive a thorough brow beating. (Please recall that Alan eventually did call Bill and posted on his own viscious w/s that it could be Jim). Within an hour Ray's collossal was down. Gone! I checked for hours that Sunday and it was gone.

A couple of days later a fragmented version of the site came up. It said that RAYMANZAREK.COM was undergoing construction.

Mr. Logan/Loyer, your excuses and rationalizations get feebler and more contradictory every time you post.

As Salli pointed out, unless your so-called "forensics expert" had x-rays, dental records etc. of the real Jim Morrison with which to compare Mr. Loyer's x-rays, his findings are meaningless--if in fact he ever made such findings in the first place.

Additionally, the Scrapbook was published in 2007. In an earlier post, you--or was it JLizard?--made it clear you'd lost touch with Dr. Hale or Hales some time ago, since he was now living in Texas. So your "The forensics expert thinks so too" doesn't quite cut it, ya know what I mean? I wonder what Dr. Hale/Hales himself would have to say about your claims if someone were to contact him?

And investigative reporter Brett Hudson from Fox News' "A Current Affair" came to the Loyer place with a camera crew (and Ray Manzarek?) and started talking to Marsha Loyer, but Bill didn't know what was going on so he stayed "inside with the artillery?"

Oh sure... so how come you and Marsha knew what was going on but Bill didn't? And what did he need guns for? Was he going to shoot Hudson if he tried to approach the house?

And the next day you tried to sic the dogs on Hudson although Bill "would have interviewed," but you still didn't know what was going on? Even though you'd already talked to Hudson the day before and given him photographs?

Do you have any idea how idiotic that sounds? Any idea at all?

JLizard, you don't know what you're talking about as usual.

I advise you to stay out of this. You don't know any of the people involved, you have no personal stake in this whatsoever. Does it make you feel important, does it give your life some kind of meaning, to pretend that you do?

They did play at some small venues,one which I attended.w/ashbury lead.jlizard you are reaching!Ray didn't want to be linked to the fraud,cancelling the show in Oregon. REQUESTED by the venue, booked by their agent,and decided not to play there for personal reasons which has nothing to do with believing in bill!.To link them together saying its peculiar seems pretty simplistic.Most of us understand why it makes sense just to why he amended the site.

Janet.exactly what I meant when I first met you ,when you thought I was talking to you.it does get a bit frustrating.

We reach.We fall.

Janet.exactly what I meant when I first met you ,when you thought I was talking to you.it does get a bit frustrating.

Frustrating indeed, when you don't quote the post or part of the post you're responding to... :lol:

Ok ok hold on,ill go back and find it,if I must..... Love love love give me some love 😉 I am sorry why my love, do you hate me so

I will try to be more careful.
Ray Manzerick was not along for the ride.
We realized that this was a news agency. The first to find us. Having no idea who they were or who had put them up to it. The first day and the second Bill would have interviewed had they been straight forward. Sneaking around in the brush for a candid photo did not make them more popular.
Brett interviewed Manzerick shortly after in L.A. for the segment. That is how Ray saw my photo comparisons. Asking if he had proof. Never shown on Current affair. Brett and I continued to talk by phone. He was always on a mission after that. The last one, somebody had seen Bigfoot in Canada. This was before the phone call to Ray in So.Oregon.
So read it clearly about Dr.Hales. Retired out of Dallas. Working in Southern Oregon. I support him fully. So leave him out of this chickencrap argument of bantering facts..of the past that leads up to this. But if you must. Dr. Hales is quite available. I talk to him periodically. He is excited and finds it quite fascinating. He also believes this is Jim. That's about all you will get out of him.

You sound like the lawyer for He's Dead. And not a real good one at that.
We already have more information that he is alive than you do dead. I'll second that.

You don't have to go back; I quoted the post I was responding to. That's all I'm asking you to do.

And I can also tell you why I got snotty with you a couple of days ago, Your first post followed immediately after one of mine, so of course I assumed you were talking to me.

And I don't hate you, I just get exasperated with (what I see as) hippy-dippy pseudospirituality, is all... 😉

It was pages and pages ago.my cut n paste is jammed.I was getting angry with an RK who makes claims to a video,and others who talk so matter of fact about jim. and the family.the negativity towards the family must be combated,and I'm an irish scrapper. So,I really do apologize for any misunderstanding I had with you,and anything I said before I knew who you were.

You insult me.My spirituality is Not immature whatsoever.bits and pieces I may give here(my choice),but that is not a total reflection of who I am.

I'm in a hurry so I'll make this quick:

Horsey, didja see the winking smiley after I said "hippy-dippy pseudospirituality?" Didja? If not, here it is again: 😉 Means I was just razzing you, okay?

And Logan, you said

We already have more information that he is alive than you do dead.

That's utter nonsense, and I expect you know it.

As for your alleged "forensics expert," you still haven't addressed the real question: What was he comparing Loyer's x-rays to?

...because unless he had dental records and/or x-rays of the real Jim Morrison for comparison purposes, his claims--if indeed they are his claims and not yours--are worthless.

Finally, a post I made to a well-meaning woman who had been roped in (temporarily) by the Loyer/Pitts circus, and who really believed, as she posted on 5/11/01 at 5:40 p.m., that:

July 3, 2001 is the date that has been set for Jim to come forward publicly. ...

At 6:56 p.m. on 5/11/01, I responded:

For the last time, you are being lied to. This is a scam.
BTW, the suggestion that the real Jim Morrison would deliberately put Pamela and the Morrison family and Ray and all of us who loved him through the kind of hell we went through after his death, is beyond hateful. I can't tell you how I despise this imposter, whoever he really is.

I remember fighting that fight when I first had my say.It is cruel to do this to his flesh and blood and the people who love him dearly.

Know it all, I wouldn't call it "cruel" because I don't think Jim's flesh and blood and those of us who knew him personally have ever had any doubts that the man himself is (physically) dead, and that Loyer is an imposter.

In other words, none of us got our hopes up when we heard about "Jim" supposedly being alive and living in Oregon; we all knew from the get-go that it was a scam or at best a delusion.

That's true :( miss janet.Horse, who are youuuuuuuuuuu?

That's true :( miss janet.Horse, who are youuuuuuuuuuu?

I've been wondering that myself, and I'm curious about you too. Do we know each other from the LL or somewhere else? (You can PM me over there if so...)

Well,I've went under a few alias here.but actually no,I've never had the opportunity to ever have the pleasure of talking with you.I post here because I get so absolutly INSANE about many of the things said here. I am extremly private,and won't dare tell these guys who I am because I would be pounded with questions.I am very happy to see you here with cold hard facts.most enjoyable.

I am my own biggest fan 😊

From the school of hard knocks. He had already been putting people through a sort of a hell by his illustrious behavior. I watched. Helpless.
Whether or not your Feelers are hurt, it comes with the territory.
When they stoned Stephen to death there was a young man there approving, happy to be a part. Persecution was severe for believers. Paul was converted.

I my friends,ride with the Sun.

I question how well some of you "knew Jim"
There appears to be no dental records or xrays of Morrison's mouth at maturity. If you find some you take it to Hales.

At the time of his death it was so hyper intense and out of sync. It was a tragedy. At the lowest point it was a tragic relief. The high point was the secrecy, the mis-information and information that no one had seen the boy. Dr. Vasille not commenting. This happened right out of the box. And of course the news statements made by Pam in following years that Jim was alive. I cheered him on. As well as did the hippie underground and some societal sorts. Bricks and sand in the coffin is not a new theory. As a matter of fact it was out before July was up. Distraught in Oregon July 1971.

What a shite place this has become..I'm
out of here..please don't mail me ever.. you fill my inbox full of shit..just fuck off all of you..Go and live a life for Christs sake. I'm only writing this because you're filling my inbox you bastards...fuck off and leave me alone you moronic, inbred twats..commonly known as US Citizens. Just bugger off please.

Omg.he didn't.wow.

"At the time of his death it was so hyper intense and out of sync. It was a tragedy. At the lowest point it was a tragic relief. The high point was the secrecy, the mis-information and information that no one had seen the boy. Dr. Vasille not commenting.Posted by David Logan in Helena, Mt. on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 01:49 PM "

You're wrong Logan. At the time of Jim's death Agnes Varda saw his body, Pamela saw his body, the Count saw his body. That's three people who saw that Jim was dead.

Thanks Salli. But was he? As the herion (china white) wore off and he began to warm up? Even the morgue is alot warmer than an ice bath.
Old Vasille knew something or perhaps he was just being respectful.
I can easily see how a somewhat rare circumstance like this could happen and so can you.

They found his passport, Paris in the airport. Nobody refuted that. Who threw that down?

Did Pam help him? I watched too. Very Closely.

Jim Morrison means alot to me too and I know clearly why.

Artist.

What an exit.

Either way. One good, one not so good.

And I do mean thanks SS

Amazing grace. You've got to ask yourself that one question...

Into the night my pretty one. My fair..

Andreii you phony.

Yes how much confusion did posters like Andreii and Keri do this website, vowing authenticity and then never to be heard from again. But again I say good riddance. Did Morrison actually fake his death and head to Africa, following in the footsteps of his hero Rimbaud, who became a slave trader and gun runner shortly after completing "A Season in Hell"?

What do you mean they found Jimbos passport at the airport. Never heard that one before. Ice bath? Would that mean Jimbo was certainly dead? Hmmm. Sounds confusing.

if you are talking to me,Iam not andrei or keri,who certainly, if I remember from way way way back,talk big, act like they knew important people,but were proven not to know squat.you are right jlizard, good f in riddance!!!! I'm sorry, for not displaying my identity.but I can assure you I'm not those two wannabes.

Can I speak now? You are Jamming me up.That girl Keri lied about her friendship with Cliff Morrison and was just looking for dna to prove you all in Oregon wrong or right.Cliff Morrison has and had Nothing to do with that sneak,liar, and gold digger.

Isn't that the chick who claimed she had pictures of jim or something like that?yeah, another bullshitter.

That is why I suppose they posted in the museum of hoaxes!hahahahahaha.... No. Seriously.So,I ask myself why do I give here.Answer:when enlightenment is achieved there is no need for food.

Could I request that you all please respect the bath.I mean come on,that's a Sacred subject.Hallowed Water.I believe there a time to draw the line.What hurts? Think about others affected by that outcome.

Big Tom.
Opiates slow your heart down. Enough will stop it. You must cool the body tissue down in short order or fever sets in. You try to match the heart rate. 1 or 2 beats a minute in extreme cases. Or maybe less. A young heart is a tremendous thing. The doctor could have easily mis-diagnosed someone who is ice cold and been wet for near 4 days. Heavy opiates take 4 days app. to clear your system under those conditions. This was the process used on Jim. They were familiar with it. A cold almost Stasis, capable of prolonging life.
This Jim told me he woke up in the morgue. A shave and a haircut,
and his story goes from there.
Hence the beginning of Bill Loyer.
Pronounced Loyea. William J. Hi Bill

Pamela didn't want attention. She was truly better than the Doctor.

The Doctor, God bless him, wouldn't necessarily want to admit 2 days later that he had pronouced the world's greatest rock star dead. Especially if..

I believe the Death Certificate was legitimate.

And for any of you low dogs that want to call my man a Mestiso, that's o.k., you can bite me. Mestisos'
Naw I've got a couple of dark pictures.

I'm going to show you that pretty smile here pretty quick.

Science fiction novelist Robert Heinlein wrote "The Door to Summer" and"Methuselah's Children" in the 50's.There is also Larry Niven's "A world out of Time".I'm sure you have read.A Hibernacuum?certainly not a virtrification.They didn't have HetaCool or Hextend in 71,which has only been used on animals and only just recently done with many scientists and doctors present to administrate.Frozen Embryos are only sucessful in a lab.Pamela was no expert scientist in cryogenics.A morgue is kept on the positive 4degrees c.and the negative down to minus 25 degrees c. With cold stasis, to go in temp must be precise at 4degrees c with no ice.the going in and coming out must be PRECISE!Consistant. Morgues are Not warm places.The thought of that happening is indead facinating!but that is quite a stretch.and that would be the only way to combat those that were there.The actuallity of being sucessful,given location, air temp,water temp,body mass,weather,is extremely impossible. And embalming has not been mentioned.

You are saying she kept him cold for 4 days?he was seen that day!and evening!ill look for the proof,let me check my sources and ill get back to you on that.Wait a minute!are you saying Pam kept him chilled for 4 days without freakin out! And that her timing was perfect???o.no.Certainly you've never had that kind of love that they shared.That is nuts!and if that was the case ,she would of done it with him, not for him.