Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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Do you really want to join an organization that requires you to purchase a Life Insurance policy to go up into the higher levels?
I wonder who else gets $$$$ when you "expire."
Think it over. FYI that is the primary reason I left the ToV.
If it was not a scam at one point, it is now.
There are other more respectable venues for those who seek True Initiation.
To those who seek SERIOUS answers you know where to go. http://www.vampiretemple.com
To those who wish to play games you know where to go.
Good riddance!
But the point is that science has NOT proven "that such technology paves the way for a longer life."
You are asking your members to commit themselves financially and mentally to something that is unproven.
Face it, cryonics is Nightside and NOT at all a Dayside approach to immortality.
Cryonics is a pipe dream.
I wonder how many "Predators" are in a state of cognitive dissonance in which they are impelled to either accept cryonics to continue or remain barred from the Higher Teachings.
You even have a "testimony" on your website in which one of the current crop describes this inner conflict.
I feel for the silent ones within the Temple who are against the whole cryonics development yet remain.
The whole cryonics deal is doing nothing wreaking havoc.
I advise anyone seeking information about the Temple to google the term 'cognitive dissonance' and become familiar with it.
The fees are not a real issue.
The Undead Gods are those of the Priesthood of UR and not some spirits lurking around.
The Vampire Bibles contain infinite wisdom.
But enforced enrollment in Cryonics as a criteria for elevation?
That is the straw that broke this camels back.
I see, you are not the only one who noticed this, and they don't tell you that UNTIL you get access to the messageboards.
Also, they will threaten your membership and insult you and say you don't want to live forever if you don't have the financial resources to join as I saw them do others.
Hmmm... I wonder why they don't say anything about cryonics, UPFRONT, on their website that this is a "membership requirement"? *smirk*
I would think this would weed out all of those who truly don't want to live forever a lot quicker rather than wasting time debating with new members who can't afford it or think living forever is boring, so go figure...
Anyway, I am sure if they would put this on their website UPFRONT then they would loose a lot of money with sales of the Vampire Bible, wouldn't they... 😉 Lol!
I was about to buy a membership package and the slim ring. But all this stuff about cryonics just threw me off bad! Since no one is refuting the cryonics thing, I guess it must be true.
It is not hard for me to imagine that the ToV head honchos may be making money off those that buy into the cryonics thing.
I don't mind paying $200.00 a year or even $500.00 to access a group witth those interested in what I like. But to get me to buy a life insurance plan to get to the priesthood, WTF?
I'm a lil upset right about now because I still think the jewelry they sell is cool!
Temple representative, tell me how can you make memebers pay for something that requires faith? I think it is because you make money off of it.
I really wanted to join but this is BS!
Shit, next thing you know they want you to buy real estate on Mars the moment some dipshit starts selling it online to become an Adept.
If im wrong, some TOV person PLEASE correct me! I want to join badly and want someone to say the cryonics thing is just bullshit or at best optional.
What are the real costs of cryonics preservation?
This is a serious query.
The cryonics stipulation will not last much longer as it is not very popular with those in the First and Second Circle as well as some long time Adepts.
Have patience and soon you will have that which you desire.
We Are Watching.
What are you watching? What do you mean by saying this?
Is this like saying Angels in Heaven are watching over one?
BTW, have YOU ever watched anyone in the way you are thinking? Come now, be honest with yourself... or do you just repeat that line because it sounds "cool".
By the way, who are you to know this and why are you sharing Temple politics online in a anti-ToV forum?
Are you not breaking Temple law by speaking for and about the ToV?
How do you know this will not last or is this just your own "assumption"?
I AM WATCHING.
You are better off in the real world.
There is no cryonics requirement to be a Vampire Predator or Vampire Sorcerer.
The Lifeforce messageboards contain volumes upon volumes of information in Health and Wealth Building that I am grateful I can read and print out. The Dayside forums will bring you wealth, success, and health.
Do not miss out on this One Chance.
Do not spread lies.
This will not help you.
Is their any requirement for Cryonics for any member at any Grade level or has this been abolished altogether? I do recall this being a requirement for Adepts and I think Sorcerers.
I also think there was a time when the ToV was going to weed out (kick out) members if they didn't achieve a certain level of mastery over their Dayside in a certain period of time, right? Unless, things have changed recently....
I am sure potential members would like to know before purchasing ToV "merchandise".
I agree that there is some useful information in the forums yet I also think that your claim that the forums will bring one wealth, success, and health is a VERY "exaggerated" claim.
WE ARE WATCHING.
In particular his latest scam: http://www.eucrio.eu/
Please e-mail me here at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
If you have any more information about this Scammer from the Vampire ToV side of things, Particulary if you felt ripped off or pressured into cryonics - IT WILL BE POSTED on my site as a warning to others.
100% Anomyity can be kept if you prefer
It seems i am a bit behind the times
My primary concern with the ToV is that I do not like being force fed the 'cryonics' belief.
The website demonstrates it is a business.
Oh bullocks Nemo!
Why can't it all return to how we had it before?
Some of us want to reach you directly but we know your reaction to this particular advise to get us more than a good kick in the arse. We get buggered for being truthful. I don't need anyone mouthing off to me.
We are no plebs either.
Whatever.
Hail Tiamat!
how MANY active members does the Temple of the Vampire have?
Just give a rough estimate if you can.
how many members does the ToV have?
My e-mail adress was posted wrong before its
.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
I would love to hear from Lu Yang or anyone else who was scammed by ToV or had a part in exposing them.
Beware!
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To be abandoned by the Undead Gods is a far worse fate than being just human. Do not risk this. It is not worth it.
HK
I cannot say what it is now, but when I was a member, several years back, cryonics was an absolute requirement to get into the priesthood (3rd circle).
It was also a requirement to take the following oath (before the "undead gods"), sign it, and send it in to the temple:
"Priesthood of Ur Oath of Fealty: I swear by my lifeforce and the breath that sustains it my loyalty and obedience to Hekal Tiamat. I shall live by the force of fang and claw. I shall forever respect the one true law. I pledge my blood, my will, my power. I commit myself totally from this very hour. I am of and for the body of the blood. I now only serve the great dragon god. If this oath be ever broken by me, may I be denied immortality."
I refused to take the oath and left the organization. What a joke! It should read "If this oath be ever broken by me, may I be forever free of your vampire herd conformity!" Hope that helps!
I see this question continuing remains unanswered although someone who frequents this board must know the answer.
By not telling us, you give the impression that the Temple is an impressive sized organization. I'm sure Lu Yang or anonymous can give us an estimate.
I'm not asking about lifetime members since anyone who buys a bible gets added to the roll. I'm asking about subscribing active members.
Is it closer to 300 or 3000?
Since you never see more than a few online at the same time, it's safe to assume the organization is very small.
See link below.
http://www.vampiretemple.com/lifeforce/ubbthreads.php/forum_summary.html
I cannot say what it is now, but when I was a member, several years back, cryonics was an absolute requirement to get into the priesthood (3rd circle)."
Thus you have the majority of members remaining in the first and second circles indefinitely. You can remain a 2nd circle forever( many are) as long as you continue paying your monthly subscription fee. Therefore you can take all the time you need to generate the required income(through applying the Dayside teachings) to purchase a cryonics contract. Through purchasing a cryonics service, you have proven that
a) you have successfully mastered the Dayside because you are able to afford cyronics.
b) you are making a Dayside commitment to physical immortality. This proves you are completely serious about physical immortality as opposed to others who approach immortality only through Nightside techniques.
c) Purchasing the cryonics contract is proof that you are 'walking the walk' instead of just talking.
d) Most importantly, by purchasing the cryonics contract you have demonstrated you are ready for the Higher Teachings.
I have been a second circle member for many years. I enjoy the Dayside forums and interacting with other members (some I have met face to face). There are many good people within the Temple who are not dolts and are applying the teachings to achieve their own goals and purposes. If we have to pay ten dollars a month to have access to this splendid service that permits us to interact as we do, then so be it!
I will remain in the second circle until the cryonics requirement is gone. This is my first and last post here. If I were to post further, my writing technique and grammar identifiers may be unveiled and my identity made known.
HT!
I speak of ToV members, of course.
Think about it from an Insurance Salesman perspective. Insurance Salesmen make enormous profit from selling policies.
How do the Adepts make money from the ToV, they certainly don't profit from the basic income of the membership fees I'm sure. It might make sense that if an Adept (with a Cryonics Policy) mentors or plays a part in a members decision to buy into a Cryonics Policy, who's to say that they wouldn't be subject to some kind of finders fee?
Is this wrong? I don't necessarily think so but I do think that it's Multilevel Marketing at it's
best, disguised as a Religion.
It all revolves around Cryonics and making money selling Cryonics Policies to it's members. Think about the cost of Cryonics to the policy holder, whether it be a monthly payment or a lump-sum payment.....It's expensive, like selling a car!
Those ToV members who sell the most policies indeed are making a lot of money.
There is only so much "life guidance" that these people can offer up in there forums, that's why eventually (if you don't Cryonics-Up) you will be driven out.
Im a vampire predator too. Its been a while since i have been one.I feel the same way. I still love the tov and what i have gained as a subscriber. I will not throw the baby out with the batthwater. maybe we could talk, post your email, a secret virtual clutch with the purpose of ridding our group of cryonics pseudo schience can be started. Once we get our objective, we disband. a covert clutch working through the nightside and dayside to bring back the tov we all cherish and remember fondly.
put ur email here.
HT!
JANUS
To be abandoned by the Undead Gods is a far worse fate than being just human. Do not risk this. It is not worth it.
HK
What do you mean by these statements?
Why is being abandoned a far worse fate than being human?
Why is it not worth it?
Are you saying that the Bogey man will get you if you leave the ToV or deny your Oath because you thought the ToV is a scam? So what is up with your fear mongering here?
Please explain... Thank You.
Are you saying ex-members will burn in Hell if they leave?
"It costs no less than US$28,000 and rarely more than US$200,000, depending on the cryonics organization, the type of cryopreservation (neuro/whole body and the procedures used), whether a standby team is used, the country of residence of the patient, and the amount of notice given to the cryonics organization. (Cases not arranged well in advance of legal death may be subject to surcharge.) "-Ben Best
So here you see an example of what it costs to sign up for Cryonics.
You can't tell me that with prices like that, somebody in the ToV isn't being rewarded for finding customers for thier favourite Cryonics Organization(s).
Dayside/Nightside mastery getting you to be financially set, so you may one day be able to afford that Cryonics Contract (instead of maybe that new car or new house).
As stated in the quote above, at it's max of maybe $200,000 if one were to be rewared even 2% commission on selling or referring a Cryonics contract, one would be paid dearly!
For those in the CoS who are contemplating giving your Money to Nemo and the ToV in hopes for receiving some sort of Metaphysical Secret Enlightenment....Be aware that their end-goal is only to sell you a high priced pipe-dream....they will receive a commission and your journey will end.
There is one thing that we Satanist know for sure, you live and you die....That's all we can count on, the rest is fantasy!
Indulge your existence, the one reality you can count on!
So what is the total extended cost to the customer until death (estimated)?
What is the total coverage amount (in Dollars) of the Life Insurance policy?
What is the total estimated cost of preservation to be insured?
The quote that included the amount of $200,000 and $28,000 was from Ben Best, if you know anything about Cryonics and weren't just a Sycophant you wouldn't have made the statement you did.
Why don't you take the advice of one of your Masters ( Magnus Rex Dietus Nacht) and leave the conversation to those worthy of it.
By the way, your threats are so stupid and that of a movie-script...Give it up!
Go back through this entire blog and find Nemo, believe me he has been here and has contributed the most respectfully in the discussion/argument.
Believe me you are not a good representation of the ToV and should not be posting here.
Even we who dispise you still respect and appreciate a good argument/conversation!
Why are you always here reading and posting?
You have no life. You are a loser. You are jelous of those who are far sighted and the predators of mankind. You are what you are. We *know* you. You will *never* be welcomed into the Priesthood of Satan. No matter what Forver condemed to be an outsider mistaking shadows and illusions for actual reality.
Go find a hobby. Go fishing to try to do something in the. REAL WORLD. Go from the computer. You frequent this board because you know you do not measure up to those who look down upon you.
I apologize for Velvetdark. She is headstrong but well meaning. All she wants to do is protect her pack. She will refrain from posting further. As a Gentleman, I request that you do not respond to her posts. I also respect civility and discourse.
Marius
Cryonics isn't a scam. It would be a scam if the people running cryonics facilities were trying to sell a service they don't believe in for the sake of getting money for personal gain. That's not what's true. Cryonicists are doing the best they know to use modern technology to save lives from medical failures that might not be permanent deaths in the future. Yup, it's unproven. Yup, it might not work. But that's not relevant when you ask whether it's a scam. That just means it makes sense to ask whether cryonics really is any better than other burial practices.
So feel free to disagree with it, but you look like dumbasses calling cryonics a scam.
It also isn't so expensive. I have a $50,000 policy that I could send to cryonics if I wanted that costs less than $20 a month. I know people who do this on a college student's budget.
It sounds like TOV really buys into cryonics. That means it probably isn't a scam. Know why? 'cuz if they're not being paid to point people to cryonics but making people sign up makes people turn away from TOV, then they're losing money on it. Why would they do that if they're in it for the money? 'cuz they're not. Ergo, not a scam.
Sure, TOV might be stupid. It sounds really dumb to me. I mean, I think they're saying that either this discussion isn't having any effect or everyone here would be getting their asses kicked by ghosts. But that doesn't mean it's a scam. Again, for it to be a scam, they'd have to be taking money for personal gain by pretending to providing a service they actually either don't believe in or don't intend to deliver on. But if they're not in it for the money, it can't be a scam. QED. Sounds to me like they actually might believe this vampire stuff. Maybe even this Nemo does. If so, they don't sound too bright. But hey, even brilliant people believe some of the weirdest stuff.
But point is, you're all raving about how TOV is scamming everyone and rolling in the dough, but that really doesn't add up.
I think the word you're looking for is "cult" not "scam." Sounds like all you ex-members here are just bitching about your own gullibility in getting sucked into a cult. So you're thinking that if you take down the cult you won't have to be so embarrassed anymore? I mean, there are nastier cults out there that do a lot more damage to a lot more people, so you can't be doing this just out of the kindness of your hearts. Smart people have shown that obsessing over vengeance means even if you get to act on vengeance you don't deal with the underlying feelings of shame. So overall you're just practicing how to feel like dumbshits over past mistakes.
*shrug* You seem to be having fun so have at it. Just don't go BSing stuff you don't know jack about and don't think that "winning" this rant is going to do anything for you in the long run.
I don't believe for a second that persons referring new clients and acquiring new contracts for the Cryonics Institute do not receive any compensation for their referral.
Insurance policies do not sell just sell themselves, they require agents(salesmen) who promote the service to potential clients.
To assume that those in the ToV who convince junior members to sign up for cryonics do not get compensated for doing so, is just plain stupid.
"They're almost all atheists. Oh, and Cryonics Institute elects its governing group by general vote and details its finances to its members every quarter, so if it funnels money to TOV then most cryonicists in Cryonics Institute would have to be in on it"
No one is suggesting that there is money being funneled to the ToV organization. Nor has anyone suggested the Cryonics Institute would have to "be in on it."
You are purposely applying the art of misdirection here to serve your own transparent agenda( that the ToV promotes cryonics for ethical purposes which has been refuted again and again on this site).
Individual salesmen are being compensated financially for selling policies/services to new clients. This is not unusual. I work in the insurance industry and am an independent agent and make a living selling a variety of life insurance products. This is capitalism at work.
"But if they're not in it for the money, it can't be a scam. QED. Sounds to me like they actually might believe this vampire stuff. Maybe even this Nemo does. If so, they don't sound too bright. But hey, even brilliant people believe some of the weirdest stuff."
But they are in it for the money. Again, you are asking the reader to ignore the facts and look elsewhere. The Temple of the Vampire is not some charitable faith based organization advising cryonics to it's members in a gesture of goodwill. From the moment you go to vampiretemple.com, you are bombarded with "testimonies" to sell you a variety of bibles, jewelry, and memberships. The Temple insists it's members seek new recruits (the "Temple Mission".) One of the purposes(if not the primary) of the Temple is to generate money.
From the moment you join, ToV members are constantly informed that the "powers" they are seeking are found in the "Higher Teachings" at the higher levels, to which participation is closed to lower ranking members.
For the True Believer, after a certain period of time of being told that they need to get to the Priesthood or Adept level to get to the "truth" and "immortality", they will do whatever possible to acquire that promotion. They will buy a cryonics contract just to get to the "next level."
"It sounds like TOV really buys into cryonics. That means it probably isn't a scam. Know why? 'cuz if they're not being paid to point people to cryonics but making people sign up makes people turn away from TOV, then they're losing money on it. Why would they do that if they're in it for the money? "
Again, you are misdirecting the reader to accept false premises.
They are obviously making more money off those who purchase the cryonics service as opposed to those who just pay the tiny monthly subscription fee of ten dollars.
It is a scam plain and simple.
What I don't understand is how Peter Gilmore can permit his seemingly respectable organization to associate with the Temple of the Vampire scam.
The important point on this message board is that potential ToV members be aware of the cryonics aspect of the organization before they consider seeking affiliation.
The fact that anyone doing a Google search on 'The Temple of the Vampire' will find this messageboard on the first page of the search, listed right under vampiretemple.com, means that most people seeking the ToV will find their way unto this site.
I hope they take the time to read the facts and make an informed decision.
- Bob
If all this talk about Nemo and cryonics is true then why the fuck are they being advertised on the main COS site?
I mean look at the Bunco sheet,
"2. Look out for jargon and secrets to which only the
In regards to Satanism and cryonics, I suggest you go to the600club.com and click on the ten minute concise and compact video on the main page. This video is an excellent representation of Satanism and will clear away any misconceptions you may have on the subject due to erroneous media reports or other sources.
After watching the video, you will realize that the Temple of the Vampire is not a Satanic group. What they are doing is associating themselves with a Satanic organization(the Church of Satan) in order to achieve a pretension of legitimacy in the eyes of Satanists.
The likely reason that these vampires are tolerated in the Church may be a financial one. Lifetime membership in the Church of Satan is a one time $200.00 fee. While it is true that some become aware of and join the Temple through learning about it from the Church of Satan, there is also a return flow of Temple of the Vampire members joining the Church of Satan. The new Temple member is informed that the Church of Satan is in agreement with the Temple's philosophy of the mastery of day to day life( dayside) and that many high ranking Temple members hold dual membership.
In other words, it is made obvious to the Temple of the Vampire member that it is beneficial to obtain membership in the Church of Satan. Each new "Satanist" mails her $200.00 to the Church and the door is opened to them. Once inside the Church, the Temple of the Vampire "Satanist" tends to advertise her affiliation with the Temple of the Vampire in several ways and then the marketing cycle begins again( this is part of the "Temple Mission" to gain new members.)
Suppose just fifty new "vampires" decide to seek affiliation with the Church of Satan in one year, that's 10,000.00. I don't imagine the Church of Satan would refuse that kind of money based on principle.
Now why would a Satanist have any interest in cryonics?
Satanism is a religion of putting the self, the individual above everything else. To the Satanist, she is the most important person in the universe. Each Satanist sees herself as the center of her own universe. Cryonics offers a hope to "live forever" so it is only natural that those who identify with a religion of enlightened self interest would find it of interest.
The problem with cryonics is that it is not based on science or logic. It is based on hope and fantasy. It is what the founder of the Church of Satan termed a "pipe dream." The only guarantee you receive upon purchasing a cryonics service or policy, is that someone else will profit from your faith based decision.
-Bob