Most people think the musician Jim Morrison, lead singer for the Doors, died in Paris on July 3, 1971. But Gerald Pitts says that he "discovered Jim Morrison Living on a Ranch in the Pacific Northwest in the summer of 1998." According to him, Morrison is living a quiet life as an American cowboy "away from the Hollywood scene." Even though Morrison evidently engineered an elaborate death hoax to escape publicity, he agreed to appear on film for Pitts. You can buy a copy of this film for only $24.95 (shipping is extra). Pitts' site includes a video comparing the features of Jim Morrison the fifty-something cowboy to Jim Morrison the twenty-something singer. However, no matter how many times I watch the video, I just don't see any similarity.
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Nothing about a Morrison dig-up.
May I inquire where you have herd this.
thank you.
As I've stated several times, I still believe Cowboy Jim is likely a scam, as striking as some of the pictures are, but I think your above statement is incredibly naive. If it is true that he faked his death and escaped (still a big IF for me), then you cannot expect he would have the same type of life as before. He was probably tired of being the mystical famous poet rock star. I think quietly living on a ranch somewhere raising horses is absolutely within the realm of possibility for him at this point.
And his relationship with Pam was so on-again off-again, from what I've read... we can't presume to know what the state of that really was... that was entirely personal between them. I'm sure, if he did escape, it was an extremely difficult decision, and leaving Pam behind was one of the things he would have had to accept.
The thing is, people sometimes change in a big way... My life is almost drastically different than it was about 12 years ago (I'm a recovering addict), and at that time when I got clean I had to make some big changes and essentially stop hanging out with certain people who had previously been a big part of my life and who I still love very much. But there's a point when self-preservation has to trump everything else. Jim was clearly sick and in danger of death (whether that actually happened or not) with all of his coughing up blood (which has been witnessed to by those who were with him in Paris), so he may have come to a point where he said that it's now or never as far as making a decision to duck out of being "Jim Morrison" and become "Bill Loyer" (or whoever). I would presume he checked immediately into some kind of rehab hospital for quite a while to get in better shape, and then who knows...
But in essence, you're still seeing or wanting to see the Jim Morrison of 1967, not the one who may have been up against a life or death wall in 1971 and definitely not the one who would have lived thereafter (if that's true). There's actually something that rings true for me about Jim raising horses on a ranch out in the woods that seems to fit what might be expected of him if he really did escape his former life.
-DC
DC you could be right.Anything is possible. No autopsy, no one knows where he was was being kept during the days before he was buried.
I do not believe Ronays story how it all came about.I do not believe he is in that grave.The french will never exhume that grave.Only his family have that ability to make such a decision.
If he died we all have a right to know where and how.If he chose to fake his death then his privacy is his right.I cannot say if that photograph is Jim as there are some striking resemblences.
Question! if Jim did live would he not receive money from The Doors royalties today.Could not that have been set up by his attorney or thru a third party?
Who started that rumour that Jim was going to be dug up on the 24th here?? I knew that was not true.
July 3 is near and this board will see action again Im sure.
Has anyone checked out "Mystery man" on YouTube?..I wont say his name but "blue suede shoes" should give you a clue...If this guy isn't the real thing, then I'm JM's Mum!
Have a look anyway..I guaranee its more convincing than this scrawney dildo who proffeses to be Jim Morrison...at least this guy denies being the man in question!
Cheers
Andrew
How would I have a clue what was going to happen in Pere Lachaise? I only saw a brief report on France 24 a while ago...did it happen? I dont know, nor do I care much!
It seems to me that you cant post on this site without the forensic scrutiny of the half informed...anyone called anon should just belt up!..what possible contribution can they make to a forum that is already tainted.
I can express a view or opinion if I want to! and I've never lied in my comments, on any subject..so I'm damned if I'll be lectured to by an Anon Switz..a silly superflous Country if there ever was one. At least have the courage to let me know your name, and recognise that your foul country harbours Nazis and bankrolls criminals!..The Swiss are a non-race of folk anyway..their opinions are as void as their species.
I have lived in Switz. and am a USA resident by birth. If you ever came to Switzerland you would find the people friendly. Im not so crazy about their government. Im concerned about how our government may turn to socialism.
So there you have it, my name is Steve!
And I want to give my respects this day of
July 3rd to Jim Morrison wherever he may or not not be.
May he never be forgotten.
I really didnt have a beef with you at all..my only problem is folk who post as annon..you're not annon now...you're Swiss Steve..it sounds way better than Switz anything.
I apolgise for my rude remarks to you a while back, but the truth is I still dont know if Jims grave has been cleaned up...theres a spooky silence in this respect.
My problem is that all this mystery perpetuates JLizzards comments,,I dont have a problem with JLizzard;I think that he is an extraordinarily eloquent guy.
I'd rather suspect that he's Jim Morrison, rather than that cowboy. I'm not sayin that he is!! as I believe Jim Morrison is dead in his grave..but if anyone was Jim I guess it'd be JLizzard..There I've said it..Are you Jim Lizzard?
Great if you were..Nighty night
Andrew
We all become very passionate about Jim on this board. I am familiarising myself with the posts here a little at a time. I have read a few from JLizard and am very intrigued by what he says.
I looked at the youtube of the comparison between the cowboy Jim and young Jim. Everything lines up, even the jaw.
I thought about Jim today and celebrated his music, despite the loss and sadness at the sudden loss of Michael Jackson.
And to all the folks on here, I wish you a Happy 4th of July!! USA--the greatest country in the world.
Steve K.
review
by Ken Wasky (Thunder Bay, Canada)
To me this book fully explained why Jim might have faked his death. The constant harrassment from the authorities made his life unbearable as it would any of us. His life became split into two realities. The one which the media made him out to be and his own: deep, creative, exploring. Two Jims, two personalities, intertwined yet separate. One very happy and one very very sad. Reading this book made me understand that he had to disappear. But, is Jim dead or not? Well, we do know there is much mystery about it. This book put my spirit at ease with any of the many possibilities. Mind expanding so to speak! I highly recommend you get this book for it may be the best you ever read.
I dont want to say anything negative about your last post, as I haven't read it yet ..I will a.s.a.p
Now I want to say something without you going off on one ok? I'm not trying to patronise you..nor am I trying to pick you up on anything. Despite your sometimes outlandish remarks; I believe that you have a peerless knowledge knowledge about Jim Morrison.
Here's my problem.
Like many of us on this site, I went back to post one..with the many to's and fro's of some patently disturbed folk who contributed. If not disturbed; then manipulating and decietful. Some were blatant liars..and some (like me) reported snippets of things they heard, as I believe any forum should do.
JLizard, you baldly stated much earlier, that you walked with Jim in Pere lachaise during his so called last days, and swapped poetry and insights with him. All of this is possible of course..but do you remember Chris King who was in Paris at the same time as you say that you were there?, who knew Jim fairly well at the Alliance de Francaise?
I know that Jlizzard is a "nom de plume" but I now think that you should come clean.
This debate has moved on from the days of Keri and you beasting eachother...why not debate what we read and see here and there...if its outlandish?..lets argue, but dont let us get weird. I believe Jims dead. Thats my position..I'd love it if he were alive..thats my other statement!
I'll still yell LA Woman when I'm drunk, whether he's dead or alive..and I dont regret the days and hours hunting down Doors records all over England when it was hard to do it.
Peace guys!!..the old hippy maxim which is lacking on this site...peace to you all
Andrew
It was during a drunk stuper and I was just trying to be literary. Keri asked me to tell Jim that she greatly admired him and while speaking to his wife I did. I emailed Keri of this great favor I did for her and months later still haven't heard from her. I didn't know Jim before... he faked his death when I was only 4.
The fact is that Chris King is a very old friend of mine; I've kown him since 1982 and I've been holding him back as a kind of trump card. he was in Paris and lived about four blocks from Jim at the time he died..not only that, he was in the movie production company that Jim was in within the UCLA complex.
Now, this is a fact..Chris doesn't know for sure that Jim is dead..and this is what annoys me..he saw that horrible coyboy Jim clip and said it could possibly be him. He said to me this evening that he sounded very similar to how Jim sounded "off scene"
What do I know anymore?..I give up!..My trump card says that cowboy Jim could be...well Jim..I guess I'll go and shoot myself now..
Bye...BANG!!
oops I missed
Andrew
I didn't write with more than one guise, just good ol' jlizard. If I should be impressed that you know Chris King, than I am : ). This week I had the honor of speaking with Bill Loyer aka Jim Morrison's best friend David Logan. David is working on a website highmountainrogue which is to include more pictures of Bill and in time a video.
Thanks for your reply..actually I was worried abot you as you hadn't posted for a while.
I grant you that you are the JLizard that we've all come to love on this site; but allow me some kind of allowance about comments under different guises or names here.
JLizard I think it would be one of the most awesome events in my life if I knew that Morrison was still alive..I dont expect him to jump on the stage and say "Hi!..kidded you twits for three decades"..I believe that everyone would respect his wish for obscurity.
Well I wait to be convinced; but in the meantime; you take care of youself,,eat more and drink less. I'm not a psycic particularly but I have a sense about you.
Cheers
Andrew
A good response, one that I agree with and most elegently put. I also think that Jim is dead and to be trueful, I'd hate for him to be alive in the Cowboy Jim guise.
I've been listening to his material recently, and there is absolutely no way that Cowboy Jim is the same guy as Jim on the soundstage recordingds. I know that years and years have passed, but I still think that mystery Man is more likely to be Elvis alive than that Jim guy.
Jim..an enigma wrapped in a mystery etc..well it keeps this site going doesn't it?
Farewell truth seekers
Andrew
Long time eh? first off on that rougue site, i think pitts is now just passing the buck onto someone else, (jmo), and yes jliz will still be the cheerleader, but the only thread that keeps me going is the voice, if you listen to past interviews the speech pattern is the same, just a older voice. Again who knows. Its like beating a dead horse, nothing new, just same old 360. but its a shame he is not brought back to LA
It seems to me - and this is the opinion of one - well, no, I shouldn't say that - the truth would be many - that the schemes that the ex-brother-in-law of James Morrison actually does, is in every way he can, ALWAYS trying to make money off of Jim Morrison and the estate. But that's not all. He goes on to make money off of many dead rock n' roll stars, including actors, and has no regards for anyone but himself. He's the kind of person that wouldn't care if another person's baby was drowning in a river...but if there was money to be made, he would surely run for his life to save that child. Pretty quick to pull that trigger, aren't you, Alan Graham?
;p
Now enough talking about people who haven't no better things to do than talk crap - and I mean PURE CRAP! about people that don't deserve anything but award for good deed which has nothing to do with the music or the concerts. But for what he does, for the many people Cliff Morrison meets, greets, and befriends with pure and honest intentions; only to build friendships worldwide and connect as many souls of the planet together - before, which Cliff thinks, the world's end. So if Cliff is guilty of anything, it's what he gets arrested for which is mostly drugs (and he does need help, unless he already helped himself).
Let me tell you about the man who claims to be the son of Jim Morrison of the rock band The Doors: Cliff Morrison.
But before I do that, let me tell you what I used to be. For one, I used to be a very rude and judgmental person. And it was very hard for anyone to convince me of anything supernatural, or anything or anybody related, without proof - including anything controversial - unless there was solid proof to be pulled and shown to me and put before me for me to investigate, myself. Let's just say that I was a blind man with perfect sight, that a certain young gentleman opened my eyes and took the clouds away so I can finally see.
And for any reason that any of the living family has anything to do with Graham, is only to keep tabs and make sure that he keeps from doing more stupid stuff to embarrass the family any further.
As a journalist, ruthless I was. And there was hardly no one on this earth - rock stars, actors, or high profile people...involved in court cases, or scandalous acts, bank robberies, etc. that I couldn't make cry after one of my articles released through any newspapers, magazines, etc. And how many times all the people I wrote about threatened to take ME to court and sue me for everything I own including the shirt on my back for the articles I wrote on them... which they were never able to accomplish that task cause a good writer always knows how to cover his ass. So I never really took threats seriously. But there was only one man I did take seriously who offered no threats at all. And that would be the man that the world loves to hate, (that I thought I hated as well!) Cliff Morrison.
First Encounter
The first time I heard the name Cliff Morrison was on the Howard Stern show, 1996. The second time I heard the name Cliff Morrison I was sitting at a dinner in Hell's Kitchen, New York. And the third time I heard the name Cliff Morrison, was at a business meeting at Rolling Stone magazine. And I said yes, I'll take that story. And it was the only story I never finished.
The first time I talked to Cliff Morrison on the phone, I didn't really know what to say to Cliff - except maybe the same thing Howard Stern wanted to say to him: What's your story, man??? Or maybe, Who the hell do you think you are? Well, I chose number two. And boy oh boy was that indeed the wrong approach! So I tried number one. And he told me a little bit of his story. And then I went back to number two. And I found again, it was still the wrong approach. And no matter how hard I tried, I found one person in my whole career as a journalist, that I could not break - and I mean NOT break! I got more mean and more vicious with Cliff Morrison than I have ever been with anyone that I have interviewed that I just didn't like. Then something dawned on me while I was being so mean to Cliff: Why the hell am I being so mean to Cliff? Then all of a sudden I think Cliff finally broke. Actually I think it was me that broke. I went from "Hell no I don't want to go to your show - this ain't no music interview" to "I think going to your show would be very nice".
So here I was a week later on a flight from New York to California, flying in to LAX. It was much easier to fly back then because 9/11 hadn't happened yet. Which I am so glad that I didn't have to go through that much stress considering that I was so stressed out waiting nearly 24 hours in a hotel room, waiting for Cliff's show to come. And wondering how this interview is going to take place. As a matter of fact, I couldn't even think at all. It was the most nerve-wracking anticipating interview that I have ever done. I found myself standing at the mirror in my hotel room practicing how I was going to talk to Cliff; and practicing the questions that I was going to ask Cliff, and wondering, Why the hell am I practicing?!! Because I had never done that before. Ever. In my entire life, except maybe my very first interview with a big artist, in 1973 - which was Elvis Presley. With Elvis, I was nervous, but I wasn't freaked like I was from the night before Cliff's show, all the way to the night of Cliff's show.
I arrive at Cliff's show three hours before showtime. There are people all over the parking lot smoking marijuana, smoking heroin, smoking speed, smoking coke, and I think they were also smoking sugar cause some of that stuff smelt pretty damned bad. Drinking beer, drinking hard alcohol, drinking GHB which is a man-made amino acid that rumor says gets ya high as a kite. Huffing gasoline, huffing freon straight out of the automotive a/c...Let's just put it this way: These people waiting for the show were just trying to get high on anything they could get their hands on. And that day I found out that it doesn't cost nothing at all to get high, for some people, if you really put your mind to it. If you have a mind left, that is. But maybe they are just nervous to see Cliff too. Who knows? Cause I definitely ain't no stoner but I was almost willing to try something to slow my damn brain down after the conversation on the phone with Cliff a week before the show night...
But anyways. Considering that I got to the show early, I noticed that there were a lot of people already there waiting for the door to open. And there were also people hanging out in the back of the venue where the equipment gets loaded in from the trucks onto the stage. And in the midst of looking around, I heard a man say
How on earth can you say in almost your penultimate paragraph (after about 100), "to make this long story short?"...Man its going to take me a week to get through your stuff..interesting that it might be!
You're obviously a Cliff Morrison fan, and I like his music too!..Also I think that if Jim had a son then Cliff would be a likely candidate. It all boils down to proof doesn't it? In this day and age, a simple blood test would end all doubt to all of these mysteries. I suspect that most folk; including myself, don't really want this connundrum answered as it'd spoil the fun!
God bless all..sleep tight!
Andrew
Thank you for honoring all readers of this thread by providing us with insightfully prolific outtake on the amazing Cliff Morrison. Cliff gave me quick blip about the bomb thing but your writing converts a stick figure drawing into the elaborate impressionest painting that the event really was. Cliff later told me he hoped to meet with the woman after she served her sentence and got the mental help she needed.
Cliff asks me to stay away from managers and people causing him trouble so as not to confuse the pending litigation. A litigation which I concur with you is tragically inhibiting the talents of a great artist personally and professionally.
I think that it would be easiest if a big name rocker introduces Bill Loyer as Jim Morrison because people listen to them. But maybe even the biggest names are too tightly bound to contracts so they won't. It might take a journalist!
As I have said for a long time, the Cliff Morrison story is great in itself, but it also holds the key to unraveling the Jim story as I'm sure you will see. So, please be patient and open minded if you really are here to discover the truth.
I sort of agree with both of you...I can see Dennis' point of view that this site should be wholly dedicated to the question of the blog title; yet on the other hand I can see the mystique of seeing a real live son.
Several years ago a commemorative stone was laid by the decendants of Oscar Wilde and Bosie Douglas..bith of whom were under fourteen. I know there is no comparison between the Jim/Cliff connection...my point being that there is a facination over siblings etc.
I reserve judgement, and will wait and be patient as JLizard suggests. I hope that this doesn't mean that this site closes down, as i think its fun...I'm still trying to get through that vast inclusion, but keep falling asleep!
Night all!
Andrew
"To be completely honest, I don't care at all about Cliff Morrison and anything about him is completely off-topic for this thread. Please post information about him somewhere else. The subject of this thread is "Is Jim Morrison Alive?" "
okay Dennis. it's time to get real. to say that you don't care at all about Cliff Morrison is saying that take one half of his blood and burn it, vaporize it, flush it to the sewer. take his soul and cast it away to nothingness. wondering if Jim is alive? is all you worry about... what about Jim living on in Cliff? oh yeah. you don't give a fuck. how would Jim feel about you taking a shit on his son? Cliff Morrison is being slandered at this time by two of the greediest people in the world, that care about nothing but themselves (and $money$). you're just one step away from being the exact same as them. if Jim was alive, the real Jim was alive, as he would be today, a lot older than 26-27 and a lot more responsible as a parent...and if he found out what you said about his son, about not caring at all as you say - he would kick your teeth out, buddy. so think twice about finding a man that would kick your teeth out when you find him!!! i'm sure there would be plenty of people happy to let him know what you said on here.
i'm just a person who knows Cliff very well and what you said here pissed me off so bad that i would like to do a lot more than kick your teeth out. remember back in the days of Vegas, the holes in the desert... think about it! reconsider your words and thoughts. cause when it comes to Jim Morrison, we are the true and honest people that love the man - whom you seem merely interested in trivia and gossip about, and profiting from the same. i hate it when people claim to be so interested in and love Jim Morrison, but completely disrespect the legacy of his bloodline. think twice about the anonymity of the internet because some people are truly committed to Jim's memory for real.
Some of you guys crack me up.
Honestly!! I despair at folk who threaten physical abuse online..its about as effective as being struck with a wet sock whilst wearing a crash helmet.
Shadowboxer; noone here would doubt your passion over Cliff Morrison (and no I'm not calling you a poofter before you think it), but all this tooth kicking is a bit silly dont you think?
Write sensibly..state your case without violence and maybe everyone here might take you seriously. Right now your comments sound like you were pissed off after a pub brawl and just wanted to let rip into someone.
Chill out Brother!
Andrew
Reading shadowboxers earlier makes me realise that there is obviously some kind of "messianic" cult going on with the Jim thing and his supposed offspring.
Like I said before..my mind is way open over this issue and if I had proof it'd be as kewl a day as if a benign Alien space ship parked itself over Big Ben (maybe I shouldn't have said that as we'll be discussing ET's next!)
Shadowboxer..Jim was no Saint; a genius maybe or even a moderately talented guy with a pleasant voice. Complexed and enigmatic,sure; but neither he nor his "son" should be worshiped as Dieties...for sure Jim would have laughed at the absurdity of that notion!
Andrew