Most people think the musician Jim Morrison, lead singer for the Doors, died in Paris on July 3, 1971. But Gerald Pitts says that he "discovered Jim Morrison Living on a Ranch in the Pacific Northwest in the summer of 1998." According to him, Morrison is living a quiet life as an American cowboy "away from the Hollywood scene." Even though Morrison evidently engineered an elaborate death hoax to escape publicity, he agreed to appear on film for Pitts. You can buy a copy of this film for only $24.95 (shipping is extra). Pitts' site includes a video comparing the features of Jim Morrison the fifty-something cowboy to Jim Morrison the twenty-something singer. However, no matter how many times I watch the video, I just don't see any similarity.
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Of course you will come to Paris one day..you are young and Paris is waiting for you (and flights get cheaper all of the day!)
You dont have to be a Queen or King to stay here for a while..it is (I think) the friendly City of the World. I am of the bias I guess cos I live here..but I dont want to go nowhere else. But I say to you that you will come here if you try.
God bless Adele and VIVRE L'AMERICA!! (Except that connard Lizzard! What an asshole!!)
LOVE
STEPHAN!!
Adieu Adele XX
Do you have a myspace? Would love to chat.
Maybe when young this fraudster looked a bit like Jim..but for sure not now...its not possible. I say before I dont know if Jim is alive or so on but that guy is funny to look at!..For my God sake why do these folk try to lie to people?..I read all the posts..people talk of Andreii but that Lizzard is worse cos he most obvious writes comments in different names!
Get a life huh?..enjoy the mucics
Stephan
God, put up or be quiet..most fans here accept that Jim Morrison is dead but the genius survives. Dont give us weird photos of a freaky looking guy who dont look nothing like Jim.
I notice that you insult everyone who dont agree with you..but I want to say that if you are hope'ing to make money of this scam..then you are crazy...a totally crazy man.
I'm a teen boy..and I dont like your type who makes a living out of lies...you should be ashamed and maybe get a real kind of job!!!
Stephan
(PS Hi Adele!!)
Lizzard jerk!!
My Bud Stephan first showed me this webpage. He hated being laughed at by a bunch of mountain type troglodytes.(my words).he spent two days in his bedroom after some asshole accused him of being a queer cos he had a Jim Morrison poster in his bedroom..so I hope you guys feel great about beating up on a kid in the first place.
Second The French are totally aware of the disdain that we Americans have for them (freedom fries, cheese eating surrender monkeys etc) Yet for some weird reason they still love us!
Asseholes like that money grubbing prick Lizzard doesn't have a single clue about the sensivity of a young French boy....Jim came to Paris cos he loved the place..he'd have loved Stephan too as I've never met a more spirit dude than him. He's in his room again refusing to go to school...He reads this site every night Lizzard.. so be nice for once and be objective and selective..AND TELL THE TRUTH!!!
I'm going now, I have a bottle of Bearne Rose in front of me..the Isle de Cite is lit up and Paris looks awesome..Stephan is safe in his bed and I hope he gets to school tomorrow.
Night Guys
Peter
I am sick to my stomach knowing that JLizard has upset you. He is a HICK who knows nothing. Please pay no attention to him--consider the source--he's just a moneygrabbing ass.
My sister is right. Have fun and don't worry about assholes like Lizard(or whatever his stupid name is).
Love,
Adele
I suggest to the webmaster of this site to enforce disclosure of email addy's prior to comment, otherwise you're going to have repeat comments from the same source time after time.
In my opinion the only two genuine contributers recently are Stephan and Peter, the rest of you dont ring true somehow.
Thanks for your very persuasive argument of the other day, I read it with huge interest but if you forgive me I still cant see what your point is.
I really dont want to sound elitist of faux on this site, and I most definately dont want to cause offence but I must maintain that the level of hysteria on this site is absurd!..Everyone trying to out-do each other..slagging eachother off etc.
Chris I'm sorry if I accused you wrongly..if I did then I will be the first to wring my hat in shame; but I confess that I dont believe that the cowbow is Jim Morrison...and I'll tell you why.
Firstly I want to give you my point of view that he died roughly as was reported..of a drug overdose as was suspected. I lived in NY CTY for about three years in the early 80's and lived with a good friend of Jims..I mean a REALLY good friend he was at University with him). He told me Pams side of things also.
I believe that Jim Morrison is dead and I also believe that the guy posted is a total fraud..all he needs to do is stand up in front of the "Doors" and sing his tits off, then maybe we'll believe it...btw I would insist on DNA proof as well.
Chris, could you put a few paragraphs in your next post? I liked what you wrote but it was hard to read.
Chris my name is Andrew Carpenter...why would I lie about such a mundane name?
Best Regards
Andrew
No offense taken, I was just wondering why you chose to pick me out of the crowd.
My "if that is your real name" comment was a joke responding to your hilarious suspicion of my authenticity and your implication that I am promoting this for somebody. I just think it's funny.
No need to be remorseful. This is a discussion things are expected to get a little heated.
You didn't tell me what you thought of the picture.
Thanks for your interest.
-Chris in San Diego
Andrew, you say you'll believe it if he stands up in front of the Doors and sings, but would that really prove anything if you're inclined not to believe it's him to begin with? If you can't look at the picture comparisons and at least say "well, maaaaaybe", then you're probably not likely to recognize the real Jim at this point even if he was right in front of you. Remember, it's been 38 years! Cowboy Jim's singing on the rodeoswest YouTube video is pretty darn convincing to me when I consider Jim Morrison + 38 years + lots of smoking and drinking (whether he continued to do that after his "death" or not).
Anyway, I would really like to be absolutely convinced, one way or the other, and I'm perfectly happy to accept that he is dead, for sure, if that can be verified. I don't care what the answer is... I mean, it would be a great story and great for Jim's sake if he has been alive this whole time... but you know, whatever the truth is, I'm interested in that.
Best,
DC
I've looked at both your comparisons and must say its a bit spooky. I also concede that if JM was still around, it'd be hard to recognise him.
If he did fake his death he did an awesome job of it as he completely fooled those who were closest to him...the friend of his and Pams that I know in NYC, is 100% convinced of it.
Personally I dont know what to think...it'd be great if it were true if only to wipe that smug grin off Ray Manzareks face.
Chris, I mistakenly picked you out from the crowd..I just looked back and realised that I meant to type in a different name...so once again...apologies.
Cheers!
Andrew
are you all dizzy yet ?
What really is there to prove?
He, The man (if alive) does not to prove anything to anyone, he is who he is.
Thats the funny part about all of this.
I can do it too "Vaunted haunts depleted the rights of Dion..Dyoneseus haunted the sage in shabby rags though he was declared King !the King! in all but name!
My point although I may sound critical, is that " Changeling" should publish his poetry and give us his real name, because I thought his short verse absolutely awesome!!
Changeling..you saw the crap that I wrote above..you on the other hand had amazing impact in a short space of time,,,well done you!!
Andrew
I have never been one to say that cowboy Jim looks like Jim Morrison but I have heard from an objective artist and a forensic scientist (from Museum of Hoaxes site) that there is striking resemblance between the two faces. When I first clicked on
I was really impressed with the similarity in the slanted nose. To me that gets a wow.
I am 100% certain that this is Jim, after some 3 years of research including talking to his wife, a retired medical doctor who has absolutely nothing to gain from all this. And also from Jim's neighbors in Oregon. People like David Logan who is working on his own tribute website to Jim. Gerald Pitts, who has put in 10 years time on this only for Manzarek to mock him. You know, when someone sincerely works on something for 10 frickin' years and asks for help and only keeps getting insulted I think the situation is downright inhumane.
Finally, I agree with Jim in not doing the DNA test. Why would he provide this information to appease the sado masochists demanding it? Just isn't right. Just isn't the way Jim Morrison does things.
I can think of several reasons why cowboy Jim should take a DNA test; the first being a way of stopping this debate in its tracks by saying that this guy is definately Jim Morrison, or not. If the DNA proves to be different to that of the Morrison family genome, then its the end of the debate.
Your endless support of this man is highly questionable..yes I can see the potential for a match up with Chris's photo comparrison..Yes his mole,nose shape etc etc does match...I suspect that they would match aspects of my face too.
A simple test would sort it all out for once and for all..if that guy is Jim Morrison then what has he got to fear? He could stop those horrible "Doors" concerts in their tracks...Ian Asterfuck could just piss off and stop being a Jim "lookey likey"
Jim could also do a tour and raise $100,000,OOO as easily as "kiss my hand"!...Of course he's not Jim Morrison!. we all want him to be!.if he were, then the whole World would be after him!
JLizard give us proof....not endless rhetoric and slander!..Give us something..you want us to believe you..give us something to believe in!...we are all ready for it. Enough of the negativity..prove it to us and we'll be in your debt forever.
Andrew
Has anybody read any of the stuff Adriana Rubio has released? Is her new book out yet? She apparently has been investigating the whole thing for a while now...
I'm driving right through that area of Oregon on my way to California this week. I wonder if I might bump into him at the gas station.
DC
Endless Harassment, Criticism, Judgements, etc. - the exact same reason he came to his demise?
Maybe at one point, he Thought he was ready, but then thought twice, in a way.
What would be gained ?
More money ? - doubt he needs it
Fame - he doesnt want it
Harrassment - he wanted to live without it
Its really a shame since the world didnt appreciate what was... and the oddity that WE now seek it out.
Justice would be gained. Jim would receive the rewards that were taken from him and he would be greatful. And everyone could use extra finances, especially when they are so deserving of them.
Jim couldn't come back as the rock star he was because he has changed so much in time and because music is not what it used to be. I think the many people would be fascinated by how Jim peceives reality, how he feels his work was publicized, the scope of his intellect and the care he has for his family and for his fellow man. Jim still writes and loves painting and this might be what is on the table if we are able to bring him out in a positive light.
I believe everyone wants Jim to receive the rewards that were taken from him, without a doubt. He was raped..And he was the Slave...Its so funny when you think about really How hipocrisy works.
Im sure its a situation where none of here has exprienced having to walk away from everything, or run in this case... Its not a "us" or "fans"win. I think everyone wants JIm to win and get was he wholeheartedly deserves. I have not seen any I hate jim morrison clubs lately, have you ? (j/k)
No one expecting Jim to come back as a rock star,, Personally i wouldnt care if he was bald, fat, toothless, hillbilly, or sang off tune... whatever......The people want him to come back as the artist he was and what he represented . A beautiful mind is a terrible thing to waste.
But I will agree to disagree with you on this.. If he wholeharted wanted to come out, he would...the man was not dumb, although a good legal team would be a big help in this case . You nor pitts have the means or powers that be to do it, and do it correctly, you cannot force what doesnt want to be, and if he does want to come out, im sure he would.
And i know i see your name listed everywhere taking flack for all of this, and at times I think you do deserve the flack you get , I do think it was handled poorly, and poorly represented as a circus act. And yes the famous singing at the table bit, at first i was skeptical , but i do believe it was/is him, but it sounds to me that it was not recorded with his concent like he was caught off guard, and please dont tell me to go buy a video to hear the whole thing, hey, maybe you can use the money from the video and donate it to charity or the "coming out fund" for his attorneys.
And Ironically this man that you both try to "break out" wanted to be taken seriously artistically and again according to your clips and pictures more looks like a circus act.
And yes you can come back and say i dont know jack shit, and thats fine, but again Im the Unsilent Majority and im sure most would agree what I had said.
On another note, I hear that the jimmorrison.com name was finally acquired for the Estate.......hmmm........will be intersting to see what is posted on the site when it does get going.
Actually this debate now seems to be heading the way I had always hoped that it would..subjective, concise and lucid.
For my part I have re-read ny prior comments and realise how agressive I have sounded. I'm sorry for this..its mainly cos i do my responses via my phone on the trot. I didnt mean to so I'm sorry.
JLizzard, I wish all your entries were as lucid and insightful as they have been recently. I think all of us here would agree that that you have a depth of knowledge and a passion for the subject that is inspiring (at your best).
Listen..if in the VERY unlikely event that Morrison was still with us..I echo what Dennis and Changeling have alluded to. He could just say hi!...fooled you all and like Greta Garbo, I want to be alone!..Sure he'd have to suffer a period of press attention, but after a time, they'd get bored and give up.Most hero worshipers mainly think of a young guy..not a guy in his sixties..their adoration would soon wane.
In short, he would ultimately be left alone to rear horses or whatever he wanted to do, and revert to the obscurity from which ths "cowboy Jim" thing has plucked him.
Goodnight
Andrew
JLizard, on the highmountainrogue site they have this quote: "A fingerprint match has happened through F.B.I agent D.W.Jones. Laser point measure between pupils says yes. Voice comparison is an affirmative. Photograph comparisons match. Congratulations everybody Jim Morrison is back."
Well, that sounds good, but means absolutely nothing until we see any of it. I'm skeptical, but I'm addressing you knowing that you fuly believe it to be true, so I'm taking it from that viewpoint... Do you think any of this stuff will be made public, to the point that everybody can be satisfied with the evidence?
Also: "Jim Morrison didn't fake his death. It really happened as we who know and were there, part of the true grapevine. Mr. Morrison simply took advantage of a bad situation. A little help, He's outa there. There was no conspiracy outside of the US."
He didn't fake his death?? Obviously, if this whole thing is true, then his death was faked, and I have a hard time not thinking he was complicit in that somehow. What does that mean, though? Did the French government offer some kind of witness protection thing? How did they fool Pam and others who say they saw his body, or expect them to keep the story straight? The witnesses, few though they were, who say they saw his body at death, make this whole thing suspect for me.
The DOORS seem to believe that at one time JM was an artist, and that they helped him get his art out to the world and that he got his share and that they are getting theirs.
JM was extremely difficult to work with. Unpredictable, unreliable, egotistic, and a druggie (and have any of you ever had to work with someone addicted to drugs- They're untidy, commanding, verbocious, they have friends who try to steal from you- it is torture). RRJ could only relate to JM's eccentric ways for so long, then it was nothing but nerve racking.
I think a lot of JM's angst was that he was trying to squeeze compassion out of RRJ but it was like trying to squeeze blood out of a rock. On several occasions he told them he was going to fake his own death- to me this seems like a cry for help- a longing to escape- but ultimately and ironically it was to escape FROM THEM.
I do not think that you can categorize JM's return to life like you would the wealthy lawyer who does the same to collect on insurance or to escape a fiesty wife. Jim Morrison had given to the world an art form it appreciated in his day and throughout history. . Jim's music still inspires the freedom seeking rebelious and instills fear into conventional fundamentalists.
Out of respect for Gerald Pitts' hard work, I tried to help him with his video and project but like everyone hear and even my closest personal friends say, "it just does not work". cowboy + rockstar + rodeos + Doors + Paris, France = le nausea or le bullshit, ha ha.
My way for the JM truth to come out if for a major rock and roll band to call Jim out on the stage or break it to the world that this is JM and he is their friend. But every rock and roll band out there, no matter how radical and independent they try to make themselves out to be, are bound by puppet strings as to how far they can go to express themselves. I have talked to Billy Idol's manager Carol personally (what drove Billy Idol to that crazy rendition of LA WOMAN I can only wonder), left messages for Alice Cooper, posted on Aerosmith's message board- no one wants to get booted off their record label. The "truth" has no place in their bread and butter sandwich. Or maybe they just don't respect Jim Morrison as a artist and that's up to them.
The Vacation Band out of Hollywood and Yakuza out of Chicago both traded me copies of their cds for Gerald's video, and I appreciate that. Cliff Morrison also called me to thank me for his copy.
Im sorry but Everyone realizes again I state JM was raped and was the slave..we get that..
We understand since he is not JM legally...the suits/estate get the money,royalties etc........we get that.
We get RRJ and others wont say anything due to the big money train may go to a hault......
But there is other ways!
Why keep blaming RRJ and anyone else for them not stepping up to acknowledge ?????
HE can put a stop to it... He dont need them or anyone else to acknowledge, he has himself for chrips sake ! ! !
Hes a big boy he can Tell the truth..there are more ways than just worrying about a Few key people acknowledging him, ..even write a tell all book and make $$$$$$ himself without the rest of the crew.
"My way for the JM truth to come out if for a major rock and roll band to call Jim out on the stage or break it to the world that this is JM and he is their friend " <----- that will never happen, if it did it would be with the Doors even with all that has went on.
Then here you go and start thowing Cliff Whomever's name around just to plug him in there, and that just killed it for me.... You seem to jump from one person or another dont think you would be doing any of this out of the goodness of your heart, you are doing this for $$$$$ yourself, also a hypocrite....
When you repost back , can you please, since you are the Authority on the subject so to speak,or pitt's puppeteer say something that you have not already said 1000X.
the same tune, over and over and over again,............ its like a broken needle on a record player........
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There are alot of cool people who post to this board, and i like to hear their rational options whether i agree or not,
.Im sorry but again but your on the wrong crusade then jlizard you seem to run to whichever truth is going to lead you to $.
Im sorry everyone i rattled on enough..but your intended twisted way ....twists me.
But..Dont forget his dad could of helped in all of this as well 😊
Im sure with careful planning it could of been accomplished no problem without a doubt.
Please focus on your points of view..somehow I yhink that we're getting close to the truth.
I say to all; please use paragraphs and punctuation..its not that I'm an English nerd, its just that it's really hard to read if you don't.
I suspect that some of these comments on this site are contributed by folk who have spent sme time in the "Pub" ..I would like rational discussion on this site for once; and as far as I can tell, Dennis is the guy to take this debate forward unless JLizzard has something fresh to contribute.
I almost take back my earlier praise of JLizzard; after his last rant.... but somehow I feel he's probably closer to the truth than any of us could ever get to.
I'm trying to look at this subjectively..I hope Morrison is alive..but I know in my heart that hee's dead. I dont give a damn about his lost fortune etc I hope the pathetic remaining Doors Fail as they deserve to
Cheers
Andrew
I was watching "France 24" news channel today where they mentioned that they were going to open Jims grave/coffin on 24th June..I wonder if anyone knows about this?!
It sounds very much like what that French kid Stephan was talking about a while back before various folk shut him up.
Is Jim in there? ..well we'll see!..at least we'll have some kind of conclusion. I heard that Andy Morrison will be at the exhumation.
I wonder what cowboy Jim will do if there is a legitimate skeleton..Oh well, we'll see
Cheers
Andrew
~Thanks!!
Mrs. Mojo Risin
From whan I can glean from the stuff that I've read, is that the only time this status changes is when the deceased become a National monument (ie Wilde,Piaf etc etc) at which time the authorities take over the care and preservation of the grave site.I dont know if Jims site has reached this status or not.
Personally I've visited Jims grave site many times..going back to 1976, and it truly is a toilet..graffiti, old syringes and half smoked reefers etc. I did hear that it has been cleaned up a bit..I hope so.
The only comment I can make is that the French are very different about the care of their dead than the Yanks or Brits...they think nothing of pulling them out..cleaning them up and shoving them back in again. I've seen this happen twice in Pere Lachaise..maybe this is whats going to happen later this month.
I guess this debate will continue whatever happens..and I'm glad of it..I love reading the comments and contributing to them..especially when I'm sober!
Cheers all
Andrew