MOH Forum: Prove God Exists and Get $1,000,000

Prove God Exists and Get $1,000,000

Posted By:
Lord Lucan
in somewhere strange
Jan 12, 2005

<a href="http://www.thinkandreason.com/" title="Think and Reason">Think and Reason</a> is offering $1,000,000 if you can<b> prove</b> that God exists. There are conditions attached. But they do say: <i>"All you have to do is prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that God exists. It is really that easy!"</i>

Is there really this money sitting waiting?

Supposing I said I was God - and prove I exist (should be easy) - is the money mine?

Category: Money, Religion; Replies: 1406

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spooner	Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 \| 09:21 PM Is there PROOF that God exists?Is there PROOF that God exists? ... How can we know God exists if we can't even see Him? ... Broken Neck Story \| Proof of God? ... http://www.halozone.com/appologetics.shtml - 16k That's off google. Type in Proof God Exists. Fourth Page First one(at the top) When you enter it, it will say "Does the Big Bang prove the existence of God?" It is very interesting. I would go into Google instead of clicking the site at the top, then follow my directions (don't click on the site because it might not take you where I went. Click on the Title. Sorry about the other website. I forgot that one didn't work. :red: Again, It's not proof. I really don't know where I stand on this, but I think it's something to think about.
spooner	Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 \| 11:45 AM So what does everyone think about it? It makes you think doesn't it? It is really pulling me to the existence of God.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 \| 02:56 PM spooner, So that's it? Some college flunky decides that since he can't figure out how the universe began then no one else can either. He must think very highly of himself. His employment prospects will be very grim if he tries to get through life with that attitude. Don't fall into the same trap. Perhaps this guy should take his brain out of neutral and look at how far we have come. At one time, things like rainbows, tornadoes, comets, etc. were thought to be the work of gods. As science progressed, people learned how nature worked and the more we learned the more often it was realized a "god" was not part of the equation. The origin of the universe must be a very complex thing. To just say "god did it" is a lazy way of thinking. How many times in the past has the "god" explanation been proven incorrect? The earth centered solar system is the biggest blunder that comes to mind. Science is continually filling in the gaps of knowledge. Someday we may learn the truth about the origin of the universe. However, it may be the answer is so complex humans are incapable of understanding it any more than an ant crossing a freeway is capable of understanding the cars speeding by.
spooner	Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 \| 09:36 PM Well I find it to be very interesting. People are the ones to suggest that Rainbow, tornadoes and etc.. were works of God. So because us humans only use 10% of our brain it is only human to make that assumption. But although we know how rainbows, and tornadoes are started we can only fathom why, or what made it so. What made it possible for these electrons and protons and such to make these things just a coincidence? I mean to me God made such things possible. There is just so much to think about that it could hurt ones head. But I find it hard to look through such a narrow hole. I prefer a wide enough hole so that I can see everything in front of me. I can't dismiss things like I have in the past. No one knows the truth. There may or may not be a god. But no one can really make that decision just by looking at what we have around us. I still am having a battle with myself as to whether or not There is a God. But I guess it's in your heart, and that's how people make their decisions. I feel it in my heart. I know that's not proof, but it's proof that us humans feel something great. It makes us feel good. It helps us laugh and smile through the toughest of times. I am still leaning to the existence of God.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 \| 10:52 PM "I feel it in my heart. I know that's not proof, but it's proof that us humans feel something great. It makes us feel good. It helps us laugh and smile through the toughest of times. Tell that to all the starving people in Africa and the 250,000 that died in last year's tsunami. If there is a god, it sure as hell isn't doing them any good. Don't you feel just a little bit guilty sitting in your comfortable home, surrounded by luxuries, pondering a beautiful god-filled world when millions of people are suffering? By the way, the idea that humans only use <a href="http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm">10% of their brains</a> is a myth. Please do more research before making absurd statements.
lindsay	Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 \| 11:38 PM its still going... im tired but i dont want to sleep and every logged off aim so ill talk on here 😜 i like to talk al, youre making yourself look like you dont know what youre talking about. if you cannot interperate the bible correctly, then dont talk about it. simple. the belief that God loves us and such can be found in the bible, so basically youre trying to say that the bible isnt correct in real life situations. if youre going to say that, then you must be using the correct ideas from the bible. God gave earth to adam, adam sinned. basically that gave the earth to the devil. the devil sucks wants to kill us. also, there is now sin in the world. sin as ive said too many times = death. God, gave us free will. he wont force himself into the earth and change things. someone must invite him. otherwise, he would contridict himself. a perfect God prolly wouldnt do that. thus the importance of prayer. if ppl tell God to go away, he wont barge into their lives. when christians die, they go to a perfect place, therefore, death is not the curse you see it to be. if ppl allow it, God will help them cope with the death of loved ones. death is a natural part of life. so is suffering. though it sucks. all of that is due the accumulated sins of man...blah...blah woo the basics in basic language. a child could understand that, i trust that you could as well. ive explained alot of this many times. im not really gonna be posting on here, but still, dont give other ppl a hard time like that. its just annoying. i highly doubt that you are that ignorant anyway. sucky theory get over it. my my ahh my teeth hurt lol sry if that didnt make much sense. i just got spacers in today :down: btw, dont expect me to be posting on here. im justing my mind off of things..and wasting time lol.
lindsay	Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 \| 11:38 PM i meant everyone..
lindsay	Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 \| 11:45 PM "The grand design of the universe with its intricate balance of billions of galaxies statistically happens one time in 1099. this is virtually impossible" ok im sry lol i guess that this just made me chuckle. i dont get why it is so easy to believe that something so unlikely, so "virtually impossible" makes more sense than god...i really dont. i mean there is a long line of history of ppl claiming to expiernce God, or supernatural occurances its not proof. its rationalization. so dont throw that back at my face...its quite annoying. think of those odds...thats crazy. just as crazy as little voices in my head :lol: im sry i love that rule cranky, if youre still on here. i hope that inspired some of those rules haha. i can be a great part of mass annoyance
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 09:25 AM lindsay said" "woo the basics in basic language. a child could understand that, i trust that you could as well." Your basic language skills could use some divine help. If your reading ability is as bad as your writing, how can we rely on your interpretation of this "bible"? That's a moot point anyway because the explanations about god, sins, satan, free will and suffering are just pure speculation. There is no reason for a person to believe any of it unless of course they are extremely gullible. This "bible" of yours was written centuries ago by ignorant peasants who knew nothing about the real world. Now that we are in the 21st century, have split the atom, put men on the moon, sent space probes out of the solar system, it's long past the time to believe in fairy tales. Life existed on this planet long before your "god" was invented and it will exist long after your "god" in forgotten. Grow up.
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 09:58 AM Lindsay just can't get enough, it seems. And while we're quashing the 10% myth, I feel compelled to point out that 'can't prove a negative' is also a myth. Just for the record.
Carter S	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 11:32 AM Captain Al, "have split the atom, put men on the moon..." That gives me an even bigger reason to believe in God. But anyway, that website that spooner gave was alright but It really could be a bunch of jibberish. I don't know enough about that stuff to know if any of that is true. charybdis: "And while we're quashing the 10% myth, I feel compelled to point out that 'can't prove a negative' is also a myth. Just for the record" Yeah that 10% is really just a guess, a hypothesis, but I'm sure it's much lower. lol. Anyway, so since I was right about the 'you can't prove a negative' thing I guess I'll say this, Prove that God doesn't exist. There you go.
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 12:11 PM Weren't you leaving like, two months ago Carter? You're another one who can't get enough of us. 😊 Even though the negative thing is false, that doesn't mean that the onus of proof is on me. You're the one with an unsupported belief. You have to convince me.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 12:30 PM "That gives me an even bigger reason to believe in God. But anyway, that website that spooner gave was alright but It really could be a bunch of jibberish. I don't know enough about that stuff to know if any of that is true." That's okay Carter. You just sit back with your "godditit" explanations and let the smart kids invent the next generation of cell phones, TVs, satellites, space probes, medicines etc. Don't feel totally left out though. Even in the 21st century we still need people to flip burgers and clean toilets.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 12:35 PM Carter and Lindsay, Here's a nice little animated web page for you: <a href="http://www.the-wolf.org/pics/occams_razor.gif">Occam's Razor explains religion</a>
lindsay	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 03:53 PM "If your reading ability is as bad as your writing, how can we rely on your interpretation of this "bible"?" you suck. period. you know actually, im looking to go into writing fiction novels as a career so id appreciate it if you didnt insult my writing/reading skills that you dont even know about. and actually my interpretation of the bible is pretty good. my youth leader and alot of other adults have commented on that. i understand the ideas of it pretty well. Gods helped me to realize alot lately. dont rely on my interpretation anyway, but dont rely on yours either. its even worse than mine. and even if mine is good for my age, its not great. i still have alot to learn. and actually al i am growing up. lol. thats what kids generally do. they grow. maybe you should grow up as well. i mean you should already be grown up but it looks to me that you arent. wata shame wow. you should be jealous. at least i think that i have a purpose in life. you...well you dont even believe that you have a purpose. and dont say thats not true, because if you were created by a mere accident or coincidense, and there is nothing but the life that you see...then your life is pointless. i believe that my God is real, but even if hes not, at least ive lived a life that didnt suck. and actually i can get enough of this place. the only reason i came yesterday and today is because i have alot on my mind that i dont need to think about right now. thinking about this crap is better, even if it only wastes my time. i dont think that ill use this place to get my mind off of things anymore though. your attitudes are generally condiscending and i dont feel the need to put up with it. sooo screw it occams razor is really starting to get annoying, my latin teacher always talks about it.
lindsay	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 03:57 PM so then Charybdis you believe that your belief is supported? there is no reason as i see it to not believe in God. the whole mere coincidense thing is more far fetched in my opinion than a creator. but then humans are kinda arrogant and have the nature to believe that if they cant do it, it cant happen. or, if they cant imagine it, its not real. wow. were not that mighty. im sure that there are alot of things that we cant understand or prove that are real. but then...i cant say that. cuz humans are arrogant... ok now im done lol
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 04:13 PM Lindsay, I know nothing of your reading skills. I know nothing of your interpretation skills. I <i>can</i> speak about your writing skills, which are sub-par. I will debate Carter S because he is a seemingly intelligent and coherent poster. I won't debate you until you learn how to write and express yourself intelligibly.
lindsay	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 04:57 PM Charybdis- ok well i wrote something but it was mean. writting is one of my greatest passions and this week, ive been working my self esteem. ive been trying to allow myself to acknowedlge what i am good at. that pretty much didnt make me feel good. its hard for me to compliment myself so at first that actually did bother me. but then i realized, that it doesnt matter what you think. i think that God gave me an ability to write novels, and i have not used that skill on here so you cant speak of it. all i did on here was debate. that requires communication and logic.... you should watch what you say, the smallest things can mean the biggest things to other ppl. maybe you think its stupid, but it could hit a soft spot. i feel like my mommy is coming to fight for me teehee. its not that big of a deal. i just have terrible self esteem, and small things like that can hurt my feelings but i care about what God thinks not you i think that i can express myself just fine. i have a long time to reach the level of an adult. i am only 14. i think that my writting, communication, and logic skills are at least average for my age. i dont believe that you can insult those. haha danae feels the need to comment on what you said...watch out shes comming...haha remind me not to mention things..she gets defensive or her friends danae- chill kid its fine...not that big of a deal. thanks though hahaha
lindsay	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 04:59 PM i meant over ive got some typos in that..
Danae	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 04:59 PM All right, Charybdis, you can say anything you want about things you know, but DO NOT insult my friend's abilities when you have NO right to say she can't write. You have never seen her write. Here is something where you know, maybe she doesn't write her best on here, but BIG WHOOP! You can insult me all you want and you know what? I DON'T CARE! It only matters to me what God thinks. And you know what else? Just because you may not believe in God doesn't mean you have to put down people who do, because lindsay is a GREAT writer. So you can get over yourself and quit kicking people in the gut because you think you're always right about stuff.
lindsay	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 05:01 PM hahahaha wow thanks danae. youre a good friend thats what we call an over reaction ppl. me and my friends are quite good at that. plz forgive the outburst. still, you have no right to insult other ppl especially on things that you dont know...
Carter S	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 06:41 PM Charybdis, "Weren't you leaving like, two months ago Carter? You're another one who can't get enough of us." Yeah, but like lindsay I am wasting time. I am tutoring some students, but they left, so I just thought I'd check in on some good comments. But your right I can't get enough of you guys. Especially you charybdis.lol. "Even though the negative thing is false, that doesn't mean that the onus of proof is on me. You're the one with an unsupported belief. You have to convince me." I'm working on it. Even I admit that there is no proof of God. But I still have my reasons to believe. But, now I know that CMG, and Captain al can't use that against me. But the question is....to what extent do people consider proof? To some it could be the earth, and others it would be seeing and talking to God. But the earth would have to be a start right? Captain Al said: "That's okay Carter. You just sit back with your "godditit" explanations and let the smart kids invent the next generation of cell phones, TVs, satellites, space probes, medicines etc. Don't feel totally left out though. Even in the 21st century we still need people to flip burgers and clean toilets." Are you suggesting that I am stupid? Well if you consider a 3.90 GPA in college is stupid and flipping burgers is an ideal job for a person on the deans list, then I don't know what to tell ya buddy. So I guess because I am not sure that the guy who wrote that website is just bullshiting everything that means I am stupid? What I meant was that I don't know if the stars or that the gases in the universe are really like that. I never studied astrology nor have I wanted to. So how would I know if he is right. I understand and can comprehend what he is saying, I just don't know if any of it is an actual fact. One more thing "godditit". What the hell does that mean? Are you trying to say God did it? Perhaps flipping the burgers would be in your range of jobs. Unless you prefer cleaning toilets. Lindsay, Hey don't worry about what other people say. I know you don't care what others think, just God, but just let it roll off your back. I think you are well above your years. You can think more logically then any 14 year old I know, or have ever known. At least you're ready to step up and are ready to defend your beliefs. Don't worry, you should be able to lift your feelings about your self in no time. You have friends and family that care about you. GOD especially. If they care about you then there is obviously something special about you. Everyone goes through a weird stage, but it always seems to lift. Look at everyday like it's going to be the best day. It may be hard but it will soon lift your spirits high. I think everyone goes through self-esteem problems. Try to cope with them by doing something that you love with the people that you love. It will take your mind off of things. I did it by scoring touchdowns in my high school games. It made me feel better about life. That I could accomplish something especially when people are trying to prevent it from happening. You can do it I promise. Your Friend, Carter S.
Danae	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 07:05 PM Thank you, Carter S. To you all who don't believe, you know, there is no proof that we can really give you to show that God is real except our experiences with His presence and what we know God made. So according to what you have told us doesn't count as proof, we can't prove it. But we know what is real, and God is real. It's that simple. Now, I have not read this whole forum, so I might be repeating someone, but it's just that. We can't make you believe in God without using experiences from our lives, and from others' lives. It's practically impossible. Charybdis, I know that God is real, and one day, you will too. And no matter what any of you say, no one can change that. But what I want to know is why you seem to detest God so readily? You know, people ask why God lets bad things happen to the US, like the hurricanes, if He's really there. It's simple, honestly. The nation has told God, "Back off and leave us alone." So what does He do? Being the perfect gentleman He is, he backs off and lets us handle it. Then we cry out asking why He didn't help us. Well, I wonder.... Could be because we told Him to leave us alone.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 07:15 PM ""So I guess because I am not sure that the guy who wrote that website is just bullshiting everything that means I am stupid? What I meant was that I don't know if the stars or that the gases in the universe are really like that. I never studied astrology nor have I wanted to. So how would I know if he is right." If you would like to know if that guy is right you might try studying astronomy, not astrology.
Carter S	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 08:50 PM OOPS, Yup I meant Astronomy. For some reason I always do that. Damn it! I called it that in my chemisry class. My teacher was like "ok?". Anyway yeah, I never studied astronomy nor have I ever wanted to. (actually I wanted to when I was in 6th grade). But I don't now. So I guess nor have I ever wanted to is incorrect. That's better. No prob Danae. You seem like a really good friend to lindsay. She seems like she really needs you now. Take care, ok? Carter S.
lindsay	Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 \| 10:35 PM carter- lol thanks. yeah ive got good friends. my self esteem prob is mostly something that i naturally deal with. there have been a few things in my life to lower it, but i think its something in my personality that God is going to have to help me get over. and yes, danae is definetly my best friend. gummy too...but she moved lol. thanks carter those were kind words. its encouraging. danae- dude ive said that sooo much. they dont listen, it goes in one ear and out the other... oh skuf isnt playing tomorrow :long: yeah, it makes me sad too. but allison is playing along with so long forgotten and shotgun wedding. it should be fun. ok im going though, the site is still pointless and i shouldnt have come here to get my mind off of stuff. lol it only earned me insults.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 01:25 AM Danae said: "To you all who don't believe, you know, there is no proof that we can really give you to show that God is real except our experiences with His presence and what we know God made. "So according to what you have told us doesn't count as proof, we can't prove it. But we know what is real, and God is real. It's that simple." Danae, I refer you to my Rule Number Two: "The sincerity of your belief in God is NOT proof of the existence of God." Danae also said, "Now, I have not read this whole forum, so I might be repeating someone, but it's just that." To which I respond with Rule Number Sixteen: "Repeating the same non-proof(s) over and over again is NOT proof of the existence of God." Danae ALSO said: "You know, people ask why God lets bad things happen to the US, like the hurricanes, if He's really there. It's simple, honestly. The nation has told God, "Back off and leave us alone." So what does He do? Being the perfect gentleman He is, he backs off and lets us handle it. Then we cry out asking why He didn't help us. Well, I wonder.... "Could be because we told Him to leave us alone." So, God's our bitch? Cool.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 01:40 AM lindsay said: "occams razor is really starting to get annoying, my latin teacher always talks about it." Actually, I'd say it's a pretty good principle to employ when you're trying to decide between two possible reasons for something. Got a better way to decide a thing like that? While it isn't always true that with age comes wisdom (I've certainly met more than a few stupid old people), you might consider that your Latin teacher may have learned a thing or two about life as he grew older.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 09:49 AM Danae said: "The nation has told God, "Back off and leave us alone." When did this happen? Did everyone vote on it? Typical religious centrism. Everything in your fantasy world is okay, so you think it's okay everwhere else. I wonder, would some of the poor and now homeless in New Orleans prefer some divine help in place of the incompetence shown by the "faith based government"? What gives you the right to speak for them?
Danae	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 11:11 AM Captain Al, no one votes on stuff like that because the government would have a fit. No, people are always saying that God isn't really there and that if he is, he's ruining our lives. And so they proceed to tell him to back off. Cranky Media Guy, no, God is not "our bitch" as you'd like to call him. But he's willing to let us handle things on our own that he knows we can't handle just to prove we need him more.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 11:45 AM Danae said: "Captain Al, no one votes on stuff like that because the government would have a fit." What? Are you saying the American government would punish people for asking God for help? "But he's willing to let us handle things on our own that he knows we can't handle just to prove we need him more." How do you know this? Do you have a direct line to God or something? Or is it just another one of your speculative fantasies?
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 11:58 AM I'm sure all those good, devout people that have died over the ages due to an 'Act of God' were pretty damned surprised by it. It still comes down to the same thing - if God actually exists he's a right bastard and is underserving of my love and worship. When he proves his love to me and everyone else he'll get mine in return. Danae, I have every right to say that Lindsay is unable to communicate intelligibly. She has yet to prove otherwise. Please remember that your opinion of the matter is meaningless to me.
Danae	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 12:38 PM In a way, yes, I DO have a direct line to God.
Danae	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 12:40 PM Actually, Charybdis, you have no right to say she can't communicate. Because you've never actually even spoken to her. You can't know how good a writer she is by coming on here reading what she's put and saying she sucks. That is poor judgement on your part. And first of all, he DIED for you. That's why you should worship him. You call him a "right bastard", but he's not. He died so you could live, and there is proof that he did live, so don't start saying there wasn't proof Jesus lived.
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 12:48 PM Lindsay writes and posts here. Her writing skill for her posts is bad. If she can do better, she has yet to prove it. We can only go by what she provides us, and that's been crap so far. I won't argue whether or not Jesus lived. However, why should I believe he was the Son of God? Miracles? Bullshit, plenty of people could perform magic tricks. That doesn't prove anything. There is no proof that Jesus was God. Not the Bible, and not... well, that's about it, isn't it? Nothing else corroborates his divinity, does it? Jesus didn't die for me. I'm not that old. If I automatically had acquired sin 2000 years before I was even conceived, then again, God's a bastard.
Danae	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 01:32 PM Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! I'm laughing so hard that I won't debate with you. I don't write my best on here. So why should she? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Ok, 'magic tricks'? Jesus gave a blind man sight. I don't think anyone has done that before, but whatever. I'm leaving, and you know what, I'll wait until you're ready to actually debate reasonably.
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 01:35 PM Prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jesus performed a miracle. Any miracle. Faith (as in, 'I know it's true') isn't proof.
lindsay	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 01:44 PM Charybdis well then will you please give me an example of my poor communication skills so that i may improve them if it is the explanation i gave about the basic idea of how God works on the earth, then of course it wasnt good writting. it was terrible. and it was meant to be terrible. ive said that too many times, and people on here seem to not be able to understand such a basic idea. so i guess that i decided to talk to them like little kids...w/e. :lol: ok...well...im talking to danae on the phone and she was laughing. it just so happens that she was laughing at you guys(sawy). so i had to post on here again...hahahaha...im sry ok, cranky what you said about the whole Jesus dying on the cross thing, just shows your lack of understanding for the content of the bible. seriously, i cannot respond to crap like that. its just not worth it. when you have a better interpratation of the bible then you may debate about it. until then, youre making yourself look like an idiot to anyone, even kids, who actually understand the ideas of the bible. so plz, do us all a favor, and dont talk about things that you dont understand. i feel bad when i chuckle or laugh at people. and believe me, you dont have a good concept of it. paper cuts dont feel good...
Danae	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 01:47 PM In history books at schools they say that Jesus performed miracles. Now, you're not saying that historians are idiots, are you?
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 01:53 PM Danae, If historians write unsubstantiated facts, they are not very good historians. There have been plenty of those throughout history. It's you two that are being laughed at. Someone points out a basic flaw in your reasoning and all you can do is run away. Don't you have anything to say that would change our minds?
Danae	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 01:55 PM Okay, say what you want, but we're not running away. We're simply being smart. If we point out a flaw in your reasoning, you either ignore it, or twist it to your advantage. We don't.
Lindsay	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:00 PM when have i run away from this? whenever i saw that i was wrong i admitted it... its you guys that ignore any sort of point that we make. seriously, anything logical was over looked. dont give me that crap. have more respect than that...dang... i dont care if you laugh at me. im glad, i dont want to be a part of this world. this world sucks and breaks Jesus's heart. i want to be a part of heaven. you cant understand that, but respect it enough not to mock it. its a belief. you dont have to agree, but if you want to be an adult, then you should respect others beliefs still, i am encouraged that im laughed at by the world. that means that im not a part of that. it makes me quite happy. go ahead and laugh because im the one who will be in heaven living in paradise and if im wrong, then i guess that ill cease to exist...who cares if someone laughs. if there is no God, there is no purpose on life. right? cuz it was just an accident that we were created. actually, i dont believe that anything exist without a purpose, another reason why i believe that there is a god. but that is just a thought... anyway im sry...its hard not to post on here anymore. its interesting to read the things that you say weve got something in common!! we like to laugh at each other !! woo and hoo..
lindsay	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:03 PM "If historians write unsubstantiated facts, they are not very good historians. There have been plenty of those throughout history" youre talkin outta your butt al. you have nothing support that. you make us back up what we say. so dont just make a comment and act like it is proves us wrong, or defends your beliefs. it goes both ways. i know that weve said things with nothing to back them up, i admit it, but you have too. maybe we should make a list of rules for you guys eh?
lindsay	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:04 PM :lol: teehee i said eh
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:19 PM Danae said: "In history books at schools they say that Jesus performed miracles. Now, you're not saying that historians are idiots, are you?" What non-religious "history" book says such a thing? Please give us the name of such a book. I'm referring to books NOT published by a religious publisher; in other words, a secular history book. You may possibly find a book which refers to the fact that Christians BELIEVE that Jesus performed miracles, but I seriously doubt you'll find a history book which reports that as a FACT. Please don't make things up to support your position.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:23 PM lindsay said: "ok, cranky what you said about the whole Jesus dying on the cross thing, just shows your lack of understanding for the content of the bible. seriously, i cannot respond to crap like that. its just not worth it. when you have a better interpratation of the bible then you may debate about it. until then, youre making yourself look like an idiot to anyone, even kids, who actually understand the ideas of the bible. so plz, do us all a favor, and dont talk about things that you dont understand. i feel bad when i chuckle or laugh at people. "and believe me, you dont have a good concept of it." Honestly, I don't remember saying anything specifically about Jesus dying on the cross. Can you remind me? As for my "not knowing about the Bible," uh, after 12 years of Catholic school, I suspect I have at least as much training in it as you do, if not more. I think I have the basics of the story down pretty well. Using the old "I'm not going to dignify that with a response" answer is pretty cheesy.
lindsay	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:24 PM its MY history book that my PUBLIC school distributes to us. our SECULAR one. idk the name of it...i dont memorize the facts about my text books... yeah that was fun making those caps. i dont have the book with me. but maybe ill remember and find the line. and danae said that slightly wrong. the book says that Jesus performed what his discciples, and others of the day, called miracles. what they mean by that is something that youll have to determine.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:30 PM lindsay said: "i dont have the book with me. but maybe ill remember and find the line. and danae said that slightly wrong. the book says that Jesus performed what his discciples, and others of the day, called miracles. what they mean by that is something that youll have to determine." So, it's exactly what I said it might be: that Christians BELIEVE Jesus performed miracles. That is completely different from the book saying that they WERE miracles. You DO see the difference, right? The book is NOT vouching for the miraculous nature of Jesus' actions. It's basically the same as saying that some people believe there is a monster in Loch Ness. I do not believe you will find a secular history book in a public school in America that states as a fact that Jesus performed miracles. Nor should you be able to find one.
Danae	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:33 PM Cranky, I've got a couple questions for you really quick. Did you ever believe in Jesus in the first place? And second, if you did, why did you stop believing?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:33 PM Danae said: "Ok, 'magic tricks'? Jesus gave a blind man sight. I don't think anyone has done that before, but whatever." Can you PROVE that Jesus cured a blind man? No, telling us that the Bible says so is NOT proof. That would be circular reasoning. If that is the best you can do, why should we accept it unquestioningly?
lindsay	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:36 PM just cuz you read a book, or have ppl tell you things about the book, doesnt mean that your whole personal understand of the book is good. understanding the concepts and tying them in with life...that doesnt depend on how much youve read it or heard someone talk about it... but anyway haha aww im sry, i was totally talking about Charybdis...wow...im a space face... seriously, im sry. im blonde at heart lol. i cant help it... "Jesus didn't die for me. I'm not that old. If I automatically had acquired sin 2000 years before I was even conceived, then again, God's a bastard." i was talking about that...somehow...with my messed up mind, i said it about cranky. sry. but anyway, i guess that i mean that for you then Charybdis. ok...nvm, i got myself very much confused. i need sleep lol... Charybdis im not going to debate with you because your logic and rationalization skills are clearly poor. that very sentence shows this thoroughly. im sorry. i guess that we now have a mutual understanding. were both to stupid to debate each other haha no ur not stupid...ok...ill just shut up now i love Jesus ahh feels nice to say lol
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:39 PM Danae said: "And first of all, he DIED for you. That's why you should worship him." Prove it! That is your belief which has NO facts to back it up. Why are you surprised or offended that someone refuses to believe nonsense with nothing to prove it? "You call him a "right bastard", but he's not. He died so you could live, and there is proof that he did live, so don't start saying there wasn't proof Jesus lived." Assuming that Jesus actually lived, that in no way proves that he was the "son of God." Do you see sense in worshipping an ordinary man? You don't get it. The simple fact is that you don't have ANY evidence to back up your beliefs and we skeptics simply are NEVER going to accept what you say merely because you say it, no matter how many times you repeat it. I'm sure your response will be to repeat your assertions because that's what I've seen over and over again from believers. It hasn't worked in the past and it won't work this time either. Frankly, I'd be thrilled to see something else come from a believer, but I'm not holding my breath.
lindsay	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:39 PM cranky- you have a point. we cannot just say things and expect them to be believed, well work on it. but the same goes for you guys...ive noticed that happening a few times...
Danae	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:42 PM You're right, but first, before I even respond to other stuff, answer my questions.
lindsay	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:43 PM cranky- you have it a little off. you were speaking of Jesus being a "bastard". which would be implying that he exist. even if it is just hypathetical. though danae believes that Jesus exists, you could say that she is speaking hypathetically as well. if you can call him it, we may defend it. dang things on here get sooo hypacritical plz understand that, you guys have done it many times. its annoying. stick by your own freakin rules
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:45 PM Danae said: "In a way, yes, I DO have a direct line to God." Is that one of those Verizon things? How much do they charge per month?
Danae	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:47 PM Cranky- I can pray, and from my personal experience (which, might I add, doesn't count) he has answered, but that's off topic. Answer my questions.
lindsay	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:48 PM "Is that one of those Verizon things? How much do they charge per month?" yeah nuthin much just the blood of God, you know his life and such.
Onesimus P.	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:49 PM Just wondering, what WOULD you consider "proof" of God or a god? (More to come...)
lindsay	Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 \| 02:57 PM there is no proof ppl can only rationalize and trust their experinces. the only proof is Gods creation. but his creation doesnt even know where they are from. how sad. ok lol i just started rambling ...why did i start debating on here again? haha wow. i guess it was jsut funny for a while..maybe i should stop..ill get sucked back into the debate once again.
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