Prove God Exists and Get $1,000,000
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Posted By:
Lord Lucan
in somewhere strange
Jan 12, 2005
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<a href="http://www.thinkandreason.com/" title="Think and Reason">Think and Reason</a> is offering $1,000,000 if you can<b> prove</b> that God exists. There are conditions attached. But they do say: <i>"All you have to do is prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that God exists. It is really that easy!"</i>
Is there really this money sitting waiting?
Supposing I said I was God - and prove I exist (should be easy) - is the money mine?
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Hazel
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 | 07:13 AM
Ah, you have to be able to perform supernatural acts. That would have been great otherwise. |
Lord Lucan
in somewhere strange
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 | 07:23 AM
I created the universe - isn't that good enough? - I won't do it again, though - one universe is enough. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 | 12:26 PM
Ever see that 60's Hammer film "One Million BC", with Raquel Welch in the animal-skin bikini? THAT is definite proof of the existence of God. No doubt about it. Can I have the million now? |
Nick
in Merrie Olde Englande
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 | 12:48 PM
thats a pretty mean thing to offer seeing as god is pretend |
Terry Austin
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 | 12:49 PM
James Randi made that offer years ago. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 | 03:08 PM
Randi must not have seen that movie. HubbaHubba |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 | 04:42 PM
Where would we be without God? We'd have floods, famine, wars, disease, cruelty, greed, raped women, abused children. Hey wait a minute, that's what we have now! |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 | 04:50 PM
Tell it to Raquel. She's all the proof I need. |
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 | 04:51 PM
Ah, but without God we wouldn't have Crusades, Jihads, Pat Robertson, much of the intolerance in the world, Shrub, the Pope, Moonies, tithing, and the [despised foreign national of your choice].
So there. |
Myst
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 | 12:10 AM
God appeared on "To Tell the Truth" in 1958.
Transcript of the show here |
Nick
in Merrie Olde Englande
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 | 11:25 AM
...the hell? |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 | 03:48 PM
Perhaps God didn't create Raquel. Maybe Mother Nature isn't a bitch after all. |
Myst
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 | 04:33 PM
God has his own homepage:
It is a joke site, but I thought it was funny. |
tavernier
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 | 04:58 PM
The famous mathematical Kurt G̦dell, the same of the "theorem of the incomplete" it produced another theorem for which said to demonstrate mathematical and logically the existence of God. You can look for this in some biography of G̦dell (I don't have present the title) written by his friend and his colleague.
In essence the existence of God is demonstrated (it is what I reach to understand) with the same theorem of the "incomplete" applied : THE REASON (THE SCIENCE) it is IMCOMPLETE AND INCOHERENT (as they are it the mathematics and the logic).
I hope this automatic translation from Spanish to English has some coherent meaning.
Sorry ...
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Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 02:49 PM
On the eighth day God made Raquel Welch in a animal-skin bikini, mixed her up with Ray Harryhausen special effects, and gave us "One Million Years, B.C.", the greatest artwork known to man. Michealangelo's David pales in comparison, Da Vinci's Mona Lisa whinces, and Winky-Dink shudders. HubbaHubba |
Unwilling Texan
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 | 12:59 AM
If what's-his-name could prove in a US court that Ed Wynn was Santa Claus with a few truckloads of mail, and US courts can throw down injunctions on international companies that force them to dance, it seems to me that someone is missing a golden opportunity to prove that the all-powerful bipolar being of her/his choice is real. All you have to do is go to court in the US and the whole world will believe it. Right?
Although most of that $1,000,000 would probably get eaten up in legal fees and court costs.
Or just stick to the Raquel Welch thing. |
crankymediaguy
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 06:24 AM
"If what's-his-name could prove in a US court that Ed Wynn was Santa Claus with a few truckloads of mail..."
Wonderful reasoning except that it wasn't Ed Wynn. I believe the actor's name was Edmund Gwenn (sp?) or something like that. Other than that, your logic was eminently worthy of the Bush administration. |
sadara
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 10:59 AM
For a second, I thought this was going to be a link to James Randi's challenge. But then again, his challenge is to prove the supernatural and not God. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 11:34 AM
How much is it worth to prove that God does NOT exist? Just a thought, God, in case you read this. |
Timmo
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 | 04:02 PM
Nothing simpler!
Proof A is that God is there.
Proof B is that He created everything.
Proof C is that Heaven is there
A--------- Simple: The idea in your head of something un-stop*-pable must actually be unstoppable, otherwise it defies the original definition. (the * denotes any arguments, or ���stops��, you give).
B--------- Everything stoppable requires something else; something it can't control (that's what makes it stoppable). Therefore to have the whole of stoppable existence requires something unstoppable.
C--------- It follows on from what I said earlier in A that not just
"something un-stop*-pable"
must be there but that an extended idea of
"everything un-stop*-able"
must be there.
Therefore this unstoppable thing is uniting everything to itself somehow.
I cannot anything else, I can't prove (yet). But the 300 prophecies (nazarene, carpenter, ruptured heart, pierced hands + feet,etc.) before crucifixions were invented and biological accuracy of the new testament (water in the liver after suffocation,etc) plus the fact that 1/3 of the human spieces kneel to Him just 2000 years after he walked the earth and democracy suddenly occurred after his Word spread are enough for me to follow Jesus, God in ape-form.
I love you and ask Jesus to give you guidance in your decision but it's your decision. Ask him for help in case He's there. If He's not you've lost nothing by asking. Please email me if you have any questions.
PS: If A is satisfactory, please give the $1,000,000 to charity. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 | 04:24 PM
I have a question: How many angels can dance on a pinhead? That's bothered me for years. By the way, if you get the million, I'll change my name to Charity. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 | 04:26 PM
I'm sorry. I hope I haven't offended any pinheads named Charity. Mistakes were made. Blame Canada. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 | 04:28 PM
I'm sorry. If I offended any Canadian pinheads named Charity, well, sorrry aboot that, eh? |
Nick
in Merrie Olde Englande
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 | 08:19 AM
Nah. Its not even a real country anyway. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 | 11:33 AM
I'm sorry. If Nick offended any Canadians, well, mistakes were made. I'm only two and a half hours away from the Canadian border, and Nick is across the pond, as they say. So if any Canadians want to beat me up, eh, well, like punch me with their Canuknuckles or or kick me abOOt with their bOOts, or Kick My A, eh, well, I'm soory. Eh. |
Nick
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 | 03:39 PM
Canada knows im only kidding. what are big brothers for? |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 | 04:07 PM
Is that a rhetorical question, or do you really want me to answer that? My answer would involve a referal to the above-mentioned punching and kicking. That also proves the existence of God, in that God probably stayed my hand from strangling my big brother when I was a kid. There's still time, though, God help him. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 | 06:54 AM
Open letter to Timmo:
Two quick questions, Timmo:
1: What the hell are you talking about?
2: What does it have to do with proving the existance of God?
Quoting the only part of your screed that I could understand:
"...plus the fact that 1/3 of the human spieces kneel to Him just 2000 years after he walked the earth and democracy suddenly occurred after his Word spread are enough for me to follow Jesus, God in ape-form."
What "democracy" are you referring to and how would its appearance soon (whatever that means) after Jesus' death prove that he was divine?
Also, if as you say one-third of the world's population worships Jesus, that would mean that TWO-thirds doesn't. Again, how does THAT prove the divinity of Jesus? |
Frankus
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 | 04:05 AM
You are here. There's proof.
Ok, so let's say the therie (i KNOW it's spelled wrong) of eveloution is real, then who do you think put those monkeys there?
Ok, so let's say that the eveloution of cells is true, who put the cell there? no matter how far we go back you can keep asking those christians.
And, as in all religion posts, i must remind all of you about the second coming of Christ.
He is coming and he will punish the non belivers, just wait and see |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 | 05:14 AM
Frankus said:
"Ok, so let's say the therie (i KNOW it's spelled wrong) of eveloution is real, then who do you think put those monkeys there?
"Ok, so let's say that the eveloution of cells is true, who put the cell there? no matter how far we go back you can keep asking those christians."
Yeah, let's keep asking those "christians," shall we? Sheesh.
So, Frankus, are you attacking or defending the notion of evolution?
Let's take your suggestion about going back and asking questions about who put things where they are or were. Who put God where He is? No one, you say? Ah, so there CAN be something that wasn't put in place by someone or something. Interesting.
Oh, just because I'm curious, why would a "loving God" want to punish people just because they ask questions that might imply that they don't believe in Him? Shouldn't "He" provide better information about "His" existance so that there can be no question about it? "He" gave us free will but when we use it, "He" punishes us? This makes sense to you?
By the way, don't you think that God wants us to be smart? Given that, shouldn't you make an effort not to spell so badly? |
Jesus Freak
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 04:40 AM
read the damn bible!!!
It tells everything
Some things you HAVE to put into faith.
And god isn't the really, really loving one thats Jesus. |
Glamcat
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 06:32 AM
Why do you HAVE to put some things into faith? Who says I have to? I prefer to use my mind, question and investigate theories and come to my own conclusions on things. I'm not saying that there is no God, I'm saying that there is no way for any of us to know anything for sure! Not 100% sure. It's all conjecture and faith. I for one, an not willing to put my entire belief system into something that may or may not be true. But that's my business. If you want to base your life on faith, go right ahead.
I totally agree with Cranky Media Guy. If God did give us free will, he would not punish us for using it. I think God does want us to question, use our intelligence and come to our own conclusions on things. It doesn't mean anything if thing are just taken on faith, out of fear. If you're going to believe something, do it because you've questioned, done research, searched the depths of your soul and then come to a realization for yourself. I don't think God, or Jesus, for that matter, would want anyone to just blindly take things on faith purely out of the fear of what could happen from not believing.
The need most Christians have for everyone to believe as they do is disturbing to me. Don't worry about me. Do your own thing any live & let live. Don't pray for me, don't try to "save" me. Whatever conclusions I come to are MY business. Let me worry about my own immortal soul.
Thank you. |
Mark-N-Jen
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 12:02 PM
Dear Jesus Freak, Aren't God and Jesus one in the same in addition to The Holy Spirit??? These are things that are said in your bible? So why all the contradiction? God goes from being violent and vengeful in the old testament to loving and all forgiving in the new testaments. It's just another thing about the bible that speaks volumes about it's reality which religious zealots refuse to address... go ahead with your raving now. But I bet you still don't address the actual question here... |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 | 04:54 AM
Jesus Freak said:
"read the damn bible!!!
"It tells everything
"Some things you HAVE to put into faith.
"And god isn't the really, really loving one thats Jesus."
So God is a mean-spirited SOB but his kid's kind of cool? Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Seriously, though, WHY do I "have" to put some things into faith? Why can't I question and try to find out what's true and what isn't? Since I have free will (supposedly given to me by God), why can't I use it? |
Glamcat
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 | 07:40 AM
Amen, brother!!! Can I get a hallelujah! 😝 |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 | 05:52 AM
Paul said:
"Yeah well...a maniac like frankus/jesus freak/don't mess with this would never agree with you CMG. He will only see his way where god, jesus, and the bible are true. Anything else just won't do. We may want to look at it in another way, but he will never allow that."
Fortunately, he doesn't have the ability to keep us from thinking logically. The Bush administration seems to be trying to figure out a way to prevent people from doing that, but they haven't gotten there just yet.
As far as I'm concerned, the Bible is a book of fairy tales. It should not be taken literally. I can't see any logical argument against the Golden Rule, but other than that, it's just a bunch of silliness. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 | 02:53 PM
I think Jesus Freak and Frankus should be thankful they are living in the modern age with central heating and supermarkets and not 50,000 years ago. Otherwise natural selection would have wiped them out. Instead of learning how to make fire or look for food they would be faithfully waiting for it to appear before them. |
tc399
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 | 04:07 PM
Of course God exists. He talks to me. He tells me to invest in online MLM businesses. He even has a website. http://www.landoverbaptist.org. |
tc399
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 | 04:28 PM
Of course God exists. He talks to me. He tells me to go to the Think and Reason website and sign up for online MLM marketing 'opportunities'. And he tells me to visit Landover Baptist for salvation. |
Sharruma
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 | 07:14 PM
What would god need with so little money? |
Sharruma
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 | 07:26 PM
The Proof:
1. God is perfect and all powerful
2. God created man
Therefore
3. Man must be perfect
erm - ok
By the way, as the result of being created by a supreme being any screw ups I make in my life must be the fault of the designer (God).
I refuse to take the blame for another's errors |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 | 03:33 AM
Captain Al said:
"I think Jesus Freak and Frankus should be thankful they are living in the modern age with central heating and supermarkets and not 50,000 years ago. Otherwise natural selection would have wiped them out. Instead of learning how to make fire or look for food they would be faithfully waiting for it to appear before them."
Except that they probably don't believe that the Earth has existed for more than 6,000 years. |
X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 | 11:19 AM
The only way you could win that money is if it was just one man doing the contest, then manage to convince him of some invisible suprem being that never speaks to you, and if you don't do what supposedly he had people write down, you will be thrown into a pit of fire forever and ever. But he still loves you. Then he would believe God is real, and he will have to give up the money. You know if any parent raised a child like GOD raises us, they would be locked up. |
Sharruma
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 | 11:49 AM
But god does speak to me!
aaaah the voices, the voices!!!! |
Jim
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 07:43 AM
kjv Job 9:8 states that God alone takes credit for the heavens expanding.
The space hubble confirms that space is expanding.
The space hubble scientists are saying that galaxies are not moving into space but is spreading, or some force is spreading the galaxies apart at speeds greater than the speed of light.
God himself stated in his Word that he alone spreadeth the heavens. You have proof that God exists, in the visible world. God is able to spread the galaxies apart at speeds greater than the speed of light, all galaxies at the same time are spreading apart in agreement with his Word.
What an awesome God we have, that is not bound by lights speed, and this has been confirmed by the hubble people that the galaxies are spreading at speeds greater than the speed of light.
We know that God is not bound by time, as he already knows the future. This is interesting in that God is in the present, still present in the past, and already present in the future. The devil is bound by the speed of light, but God is not bound, by speed, time, cause he is already all places at all times.
The bible says he is the same yesterday, today and forever. What an awesome God, that has made visible supernatural evidences that the heavens (galaxies) are spreading and saying that he alone is responsible.
kjv Job 9:8 in part says: Which alone spreadeth out the heavens. |
Maegan
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 08:13 AM
Hm. I never read about the hubble thing. I'll have to look that up. |
X
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 10:49 AM
Thanks for the bible lesson Jim. |
Mark-N-Jen
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 11:13 AM
His whole bible lesson, and everything he believes about it, are all still second hand information. Which means little to the educated, and even less when seeking PROOF. Do we know the meaning of that word Jim? I also claim to be responsible for the expansion of the universe. Does that make it so? How do you know God said this? Were you there to hear him say it? Or did He just tell you himself that he said that? OR are you just believing what you've been told to believe... written down by someone else (NOT GOD) over 3,000 years ago??? The gullibility of people will NEVER cease to be entertaining! 😊 |
X
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 11:20 AM
uhhhhh, YEAH!; What Mark-N-Jen said. |
Red
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 12:34 PM
Well, what about those who came before Jesus? Before any Christian, or Baptist, or any of the other religions? Are the early homosapiens all burning in eternal damnation, all because they didn't know about "God"? |
Mark-N-Jen
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 12:50 PM
Dear Red,
Although your intentions are in the right place, and we get your point, they will gain NO insight from it. You shouldn't forget that according to the bible thumpers the earth and man are no more than 6,000 years old. Meaning they believe that God has always had a presence and therefore no one would be "left-behind" so to speak in the way you ask about. Man, according to them and their belief, started out "intelligent and civilized" and didn't go through these major time periods of evolution whether social or biological. Therefore your point is moot to them and their argument... |
X
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 02:04 PM
Apparantly, if you are ignorant of Jesus, you can still go to heaven, but once you are told about him, you all of a sudden have this wonderful choice, Choose Jesus or choose HELL!!!!!!!
Depends on what Denomination you are I guess. Sounds like the ignorant have the easy way out. I use to have issues with that because no one gave me a clear answer and I haven't studied that part of the bible yet in detail. I need to read up on that so I can have some defense in that area incase I have someone try and convert me again. |
The Curator
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 02:18 PM
Actually, I'm not sure that the biblical literalists would say that those who are ignorant of Jesus can go to Heaven. I think that those who are ignorant of Jesus aren't considered to have souls. They're not fully human, so to speak. Same with animals. They don't go to heaven either.
I remember this point came up back when I was taking religion class in elementary school and I was trying to figure out how Adam and Eve could have populated the entire earth without a whole lot of inbreeding and incest occurring. My teacher told me that the answer was that Adam and Eve were the first humans with souls, but that there were other humans already living ouside of the Garden of Eden with whom Cain and Abel were able to breed.
When I heard this explanation was coincidentally around the time I started to have doubts about the whole religion thing. |
X
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 02:32 PM
You just gave me something else to look into Alex. I recall hearing something about that. But I was forced to go to a Penticostal Holiness church growing up. They never mentioned that. I repeated what I was told. Thats why I gave up religion when I was 18 and decided just to study the book myself. I discover more and more things I was taught to be, well, inaccurate. I was kinda pissed about that. |
all-seeing eye dog
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 02:38 PM
Alex--surely you're not suggesting that a religious authority <b>just made some answer up on the spot</b> and claimed it was a divine truth that had to be taken on faith? I happen to know for a fact that everything taught in a religious context--in fact, every word that ever has been or ever will be uttered by a person in a position of religious authority--is carefully vetted by God's on-site staff of expert Quality Assurance specialists. God doesn't have a whole lot of patience for people who misquote Him... Although to be fair, I hear He's been outsourcing a lot of His work lately... |
Glamcat
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 02:53 PM
Alex, I always wondered about that whole Adam & Eve populating the Earth thing. And who were the people that were supposed to see the "mark of Cain"? I guess they were these "soul-less" people on the other side of town. I kinda picture them like the infected people in the movie "28 Days Later". Those poor soul-less slobs. Now, is the idea that because they mated with the "highly-souled" Cain & Able, they somehow, magically developed souls, or did just their offspring have souls?
My mistake, I've always thought that the "soul" was the core being of a person, not something you owned. I've always thought of it that you are soul and you have a body, not the other way around. But, what do I know. I'm just a heathen.
😛 |
X
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 03:25 PM
YOUR ALL HEATHENS!!!!! Glamcat admits it. Evil Evil, this post must now be cleansed of all your impure incoharent (whatever the spelling is) ramblings, and...duh, oh yeah, REPENT!!! or something like that. And eat your veggies and stuff. |
Sharruma
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 05:13 PM
Alex, Adam and Eve were (supposedly) both well over 1000 years old when they eventually died.
How many children could you have in a thousand years? Yet only three are mentioned in the bible.
I was told they had many many more children that weren't mentioned and it was one of these that they took as wife.
True, Adam and Eve's children must've indulged in a lot of incest, but they were under direct orders from the big G who effectively told them to 'F' off (go forth and multiply (sounds like 'F' off to me))
On the other hand if you look at the evolution theory it's exactly the same, all life kind would have come from the same original amoeba (the original life) - perhaps that amoeba is really both Adam and Eve?
Likewise the original true human must have mated with close relatives (sons/daughters/brothers/sisters) otherwise you'd have another hybrid. So I guess incest is involved whichever way you look. |
Myst
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 05:27 PM
That is one of the things that bothers me about the Adam and Eve story. Incest does not make for good species survival. |
Mark-N-Jen
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 | 05:32 PM
Just a little biology information to add to your discussion Sharruma. Humans, specifically females, are born with a set number of eggs. These are formed during gestation and once they're born they have a finite number of eggs which at puberty will start becoming available for them to use. So, what I'm trying to tell you is that whether you live 100 years or 10,000 years you're only going to be able to have so many kids. Yes I know, that number would still be extremely high as females on average go through 2 per month for around 45 to 50 years??? (Maybe 2,000 total but certainly no more than 4,000?) But since each ovary produces one egg per month than odds are that opportunity is cut in half because USUALLY only 1 at a time takes. Than each taking requires 9 months, on average, gestation you see that the total number of children a woman can produce although great isn't like 750 or soemthing. And considering what my dear wife went through with her four pregnancies... I'd say eventually the body would get worn out with that business... like say after a really high number like 100 maybe??? Just guessing and generalizing here for sake of the discussion... but the number of eggs contained in a female is fixed and determined before birth. |
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