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Heath
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 | 03:10 PM
A person of Religion I know once said that the Bible was so knowing and profound, that no human of the time (i.e primitive of thought) could have written it. Well they had wheels then, with spokes! The Romans were pretty advanced, and the Chinese, and let's not forget the Greeks. I have read parts of the bible, and quite frankly most of it is primitive and not at all profound. In fact, almost as though it had been based on myth & superstition, imagine that! And it would seem that no matter how advanced we are, there is an attraction to myths, etc. The leaders of the early Christian church tapped in to this, and converted people who were already practising 'old' religions. This gave them more power, and that is what it all boils down to. Religion = power over the masses.
Now I'm not going to rubbish the bible 'cause there are things of value in there, and if we are to believe the teachings of Jesus are real, he seemed quite a nice bloke. But people who live their lives by it are very scary. Case in point, George W Bush, the scariest man on the planet. And most people who do live their life by it, tend to pick and choose thhe bits they like.
I don't think I'd mind if there was a god, but there ain't no god in no heaven. 6000 years old, pah! |
Teryn
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 | 02:57 AM
hehe my spanish teacher's name was jesus!
except you say it a bit different....... |
LuKas
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 | 06:01 PM
Do i get the money if i prove god doesnt exist? |
Captain Al
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 | 06:26 PM
So the pope is dead. He proved he is just as mortal as the other 6 billion people on the planet. Now the Vatican Mafia will assemble to vote for who will be the next 'God's chosen representative on earth'. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 12:45 AM
Captain Al said:
"So the pope is dead. He proved he is just as mortal as the other 6 billion people on the planet. Now the Vatican Mafia will assemble to vote for who will be the next 'God's chosen representative on earth'."
The part I love is how each Pope has different policies for the Church to follow but they're all just doing what God wants. Apparantly, God has a real hard time making up His mind what he wants. |
Rod
in the land of smarties.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 12:53 AM
THE POPE IS DEAD???
Oh, sorry, I thought said the Bishop. THAT would be scary.
Carry on, then. |
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 09:44 AM
...He died and he still kept the television stations busy all night!! |
Captain Al
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 09:54 AM
CMG, go easy on poor old God! Imagine having to juggle all those different religions that claim him for their very own. At the same time, he has a full-time job as editor of all those different versions of the bible and then finds time to help all those football players score touchdowns. No wonder he gets confused. So confused, in fact, he misses a tsunami that kills 250,000 people. Oh well, I guess football is more important. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 10:09 AM
Barnacle Billy informs me that he was transfixed by coverage of The Pope by an Irish newscaster, who kept referring to the The Pope as The "Poop", his accent offering to "oo" sound instead of the long O. "When will the Poop be buried? It's unknown at this time, but many will pass the poop of peace in the next few days, while paying their respects"... Pass your own poop, Boy-O |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 10:26 AM
I got to hang out with JP2 when he visited NYC in '79. It was at an after-party at CBGB's, after the whole multitudes thing. I went for the many-ed libations, while he pretty well stuck to the vino. He seemed to have a good time- even got up and danced a bit, although I don't think punk music was his thang. He seemed more like a Funk-loving fellow... He asked a lot about Delaware for some reason... I think he knew some hottie that lived there. I'm not suggesting he wanted to make a booty call, just reliving old times... Arrivederce, Johnny P |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 04:54 PM
Captain Al said:
"CMG, go easy on poor old God! Imagine having to juggle all those different religions that claim him for their very own. At the same time, he has a full-time job as editor of all those different versions of the bible and then finds time to help all those football players score touchdowns. No wonder he gets confused. So confused, in fact, he misses a tsunami that kills 250,000 people. Oh well, I guess football is more important."
And not to mention that, since Bush took office, His hours have been cut back! I understand Heaven has had to outsource to India lately. |
Sharruma
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 | 02:54 AM
I can't help wondering what name the next pope will take for himself.
The last two have both been John Paul
I'd like to suggest George Ringo for the next one. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 | 08:47 AM
How about, Alterboy Sex Abuser XXXVIII ? |
Rod
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 | 11:35 AM
Anything, as long as they don't try and get away naming him "Innocent" again.
How about "Head Elf I"?
I mean, he's the top guy on the planet for his imaginary friend, right?
😕 |
Cardinal Francis Arinze
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 | 01:19 PM
DEAR FREINDS
AS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ON THE NEWS RECENTLY MY SPIRITUAL FATHER HAS RECENTLY DIED
HE LEFT BEHIND A LOT OF FAITH WHICH I AM HAVING TROUBLE GETTING MY HANDS ON DUE TO LEGAL DIFFICULTIES (AND THE POSSIBILITY THEY MIGHT SELECT SOMEONE ELSE TO GET IT)
I NEED HELP TO COVER THESE SMALL PROBLEMS, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO GIVE ME A LITTLE FAITH SO I CAN DEAL WITH THESE LITTLE DETAILS. WHEN I FINALLY GET ACCESS TO THE MAIN SOURCE I WILL BE WILLING TO GIVE YOU 40% OF IT FOR YOUR TROUBLE. |
Citizen Premier
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 | 03:57 PM
I have a good deal of faith to share; but first, to ensure that you are absolutely legit, I'll need a picture of you balancing a bowling ball on your head while eating two bananas at once. The bowling ball and the banana are the symbols of my church, you see. |
Paul in Prague
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 | 11:58 PM
"Cardinal Francis Arinze"
heheheheheh! brilliant! |
Smerk
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 | 12:06 AM
I find it very hard to have faith in anyone with poor typing skills (she says as she corrects her errors for the 10th time). |
Sharruma
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 | 12:17 AM
Are you sure it's not two bowling balls and 1 banana 8) |
Senor Pete
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 | 10:50 AM
Finally, (and i realize this is a bit of a late message, but forgive me ive just now found this site) some people out there with common sense! Im glad to have found people who can question religion with a bit of intelligence. These jesus freaks have been annoying me as of late with their mindless dribble about how you are supposed to just have faith. |
X
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 | 11:17 AM
Alot of us on here question the truth on religion and usually agree. |
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 | 11:27 AM
Please! When was the last time that we all agreed to anything other than "evildream sucks"? |
X
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 | 11:28 AM
You see, We never dissagree!!! |
X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 | 11:30 AM
BoB hates you!!
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/swalden_28/Bob.jpg |
Senor Pete
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 | 06:30 PM
well whatever its called, im glad to have found evildream sucks 😉 |
Maegan
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 09:52 AM
::sigh:: |
j burdett
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 | 03:08 PM
The answer is mathematical. God exhists. Everyone is entitled to know him and they had the change and maybe still do. He is pretty cool and has more of a personality than anyone I have ever known. Proof is in the pudding. He does respond but not as most assume. He saved me and showed me many things and now I live with my family. We are not allowed to try and control others and we all have our own choices to make. As long as we remember to treat others as we would wish to be treated by being possitive, you can only climb. The mountian top is peaceful |
Charybdis
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 | 03:51 PM
Your understanding of "mathematical" must be different from mine.
😕 |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 | 06:42 PM
"Everyone is entitled to know him and they had the change and maybe till do."
They had the change J Burdett? Change from what? Do you mean they had change left after your greedy institution guilted them out of their hard-earned, much-needed earnings by CHANCE???
I swear, if there are any intelligent, semi-rational people left who are still religous they must be SO embarrased to have their viewpoint represented by the likes of you...
I'm also betting that there's a whole lot more than just proof in your pudding... I'm thinking probably LSD. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 | 12:57 AM
j burdett said:
"[T]he answer is mathematical. God exhists. Everyone is entitled to know him and they had the change and maybe still do. He is pretty cool and has more of a personality than anyone I have ever known."
Whoo, tell me about it, Bro! God and I were roommates back in college. Talk about personality! Damn, that guy could pick up chicks like nothing I've ever seen before. He just had the MOJO!
OK, like this one time we sent Him out on a beer run (it was like an "I'll buy, you fly" deal) and--I don't know how He did it--but he comes back with like a case of Buds and He's all like, "Uh, here's your money back, Dude." He managed to get the beer for free, see?
So, I'm all like, "Uh, how'd You DO that, Dude?" And he said something about working in mysterious ways or something. Oh, man, that God was something else!
We promised to keep in touch after graduation, but you know how that goes. I wonder what ever happened to Him? |
Sharruma
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 | 02:25 AM
Are you sure that was god?
I thought god was in the year above you! |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 | 03:19 AM
Sharruma said:
"Are you sure that was god?
I thought god was in the year above you!"
Well, He stated out pre-med but He changed majors and took an extra year to graduate. I think He ended up in Communications, which is a total joke of a major.
Now that I've said that, I'll probably find out that He's like running a network or something, right? Hey, maybe He's running PAX! Maybe THAT'S how I got on that Lie Detector show! If so, well, God Dude, I owe you a solid. |
Sharruma
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 | 12:38 PM
OTG A German Pope :{ |
Citizen Premier
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 | 06:03 PM
This new Pope is pretty ugly. Why can't we ever get a pope in his prime? |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 | 06:08 PM
If I remember what I heard correctly, this pope is as far from that as possible Citizen as he's the "oldest" pope ever elected. |
Citizen Premier
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 | 06:11 PM
Sheesh, in another half decade we'll have to go though this all over again. |
Steevil
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 | 03:56 AM
1. God is, by definition, a perfect being
2. Existence is a perfection (ie, something wouldn't be perfect if it didn't exist)
Therefore
3. God exists
Hooray, I'm rich.
Spot the deliberate mistake. 😊 |
Citizen Premier
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 | 05:49 PM
I like oats. Therefore, I must be a horse! |
Khalil Branch
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 | 11:38 PM
🐛 I just found this forum earlier today and decided not to comment until I had read it from beginning to end and that is what I did. Talk about an eye opener. |
Khalil Branch
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 | 11:43 PM
Ok
Timmo said:
"A--------- Simple: The idea in your head of something un-stop*-pable must actually be unstoppable, otherwise it defies the original definition. (the * denotes any arguments, or ?ۏstops?۬ you give).
B--------- Everything stoppable requires something else; something it can't control (that's what makes it stoppable). Therefore to have the whole of stoppable existence requires something unstoppable.
C--------- It follows on from what I said earlier in A that not just
"something un-stop*-pable"
must be there but that an extended idea of
"everything un-stop*-able"
must be there.
Therefore this unstoppable thing is uniting everything to itself somehow."
I don't know about you CMG, but I did understand that. Not saying I agree with it but it does make sense. Can you tell me what it was that you did not understand about it??? |
Khalil
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 | 11:47 PM
I am also reading a bunch of mumbo jumbo about infinity. look you were right, if time was infinite then we would'nt be where we are today. But since we are that has to mean that time did start at a certain point and continued to stretch to infinity from there. |
Khalil
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 | 11:50 PM
What I don't know is 😕 how that point came to be. |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 | 07:25 PM
Time doesn't exist...
No beginning...
No end...
It's ALL made up, time doesn't exist as a physical thing. It's a mental point of reference and nothing more...
:blank: |
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 | 08:14 AM
Then why do we orbit the sun? |
Rod
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 | 03:34 PM
Habit?
😊 |
Citizen Premier
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 | 03:56 PM
If time is just a reference, then so are all the other dimensions we use, aren't they?
You can go around saying that everything doesn't exist; but it doesn't accomplish anything. |
Sharruma
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 | 06:25 PM
You are all just a figment of my imagination
I am so sick :down: |
Citizen Premier
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 | 10:02 PM
Your imagination is pretty boring, then.
Can you imagine a girlfriend for me? And a 4.0 GPA? |
Sharruma
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 | 10:11 PM
You got it
She has Black hair down to her naval
Weight 283lbs
a small cute little wart on her nose and
her name is deirdre.
Have fun 😊 |
Sharruma
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 | 10:11 PM
Whats a 4.O GPA? |
Timmo
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 | 06:43 AM
Sorry, B was poorly put. I should have said that something stoppable or haltable requires something it cannot control. In fact, we may define it as such. Now that means that the whole of existence must be partly unstoppable as there is nothing outside it which it can't control. |
Maegan
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 | 07:03 AM
Grade Point Average. |
Timmo
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 | 07:11 AM
Besides all the debating, I should like to suggest something.
If all this stuff is true, and the death of a flawless person by some formula wipes out the flaws and imperfections of all other actions, then you have gained something (infinity, in fact) if you ask God (and His formula Jesus, who at the same time IS God) to help with your decision and come into your life. That is, if you THINK that to Him, He knows, cos He knows the position of every sigle impulse in your brain; He knows you better than you do!
If it isn't true, you've lost a few seconds of otherwise enjoyable time by thinking it.
It doesn't take a genius to see that "infinity times p" is greater that "a finite number times (1-p)", where p is the formula that it is true. |
Timmo
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 | 07:13 AM
Sorry, I meant to say: "where p is the PROBABILITY that it is true" |
Raoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 | 07:36 AM
Charo. That is the proof of God. A beautiful woman who cries "Coochie,coochie,coochie" and plays the flamenco guitar is a very persuasive argument. It is too late to ask Xavier Cougat, but he passed with a smile, I am sure. Rrrraoul |
apoet
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 | 08:14 PM
The universe has a cause.
That cause has to be God.
Therefore, there has to be a God.
The problem with the above statement is that it is not an analytical proposition. As a syllogism, the second premise and the conclusion are asserting the same thing. This commits the "petitio principii" or rather the fallacy of "begging the question" because the second premise contains the conclusion. It is affirming the consequent. However, the argument best put forth by believers of God as the creator of the universe (The Causal Form of the Cosmological Argument) is probably best stated as:
1.) Everything has a cause.
2.) The universe is a thing and therefore has a cause.
3.) Causal theories can not extend into the past infinitely.
4.) There must be a first cause. (an uncaused cause)
5.) The universe was therefore created by God.
This is also best summed up by Father Copleston in his debate with Bertrand Russel:
"Every object has a phenomenal cause, if you insist on the infinity of the series. But the series of phenomenal causes is an insufficient explanation of the series. Therefore, the series has no a phenomenal cause but a transcendent cause . . . " (The Cosmological Argument, by Paul Edwards)
Supporters of this line of reasoning are asking for a reason for the whole of the series of systems that encompasses the evolution of life, relativity, chemical reaction, the composition of atomic particles, and other phenomena that can be explained as to their causes through scientific experimentation and theory. These are all series of natural phenomena that make up the universe, but to believers they are only secondary causes. They point to God as the first cause (whose essence and existence are identical, making God a necessary being in an incomprehensible way) of any of this series.
However, if each individual case can be explained, there is nothing additional left to be explained. Science has showed that the most probable scenario for the creation of the universe is the "Big Bang". It states that all the matter and energy of the universe was held in a compressed unified form called a singularity. This singularity exploded and became the expanding universe. According to the laws of physics the universe will stop expanding and begin to compress and form into a singularity once again and repeat the process. This rules out God as the first cause for the universe because as stated all the matter and energy within the universe existed prior to the formation of the universe in a singularity and this might have been a phenomenal series that has occurred naturally an infinite number of times.
I hope to have shown that although I am not disproving the existence of God, I have been able to take away His 'first causiness'. The knowledge of whether or not there is a God lies outside the realm of man's understanding. And as Bertrand Russel replied to Father Copleston:
"Well, I don't know. I mean, the explanation of one thing is another thing which makes the other thing dependent on yet another, and have to grasp this sorry scheme of things entire to do what you want, and that we can't do." (The Cosmological Argument, by Paul Edwards) Peter V. Dugan
--to be continued-- |
apoet
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 | 08:16 PM
State and discuss the view that biological holes like the eye or the brain requires an intelligent super-natural cause.
The above question deals with the Teleological Argument for the existence of God. This view is best stated as:
The world (or universe) exhibits teleological order (design, and adaptation). Therefore, it was produced by an intelligent designer.
Or even better:
1.)The world (or universe) is a unified system of adaptations.
2.)We can give an intelligible explanation of this fact only by supposing that the world was created by an intelligent being according to some plan.
3.)Therefore, it is reasonable to suppose that the world was created by an intelligent being.
Biological structures like eyes, ears, and brain are parts of a teleological system that work together in performance and resemble artifacts made by man, such as watches and machines. Some modern theologian say that God was the creator of the world and set up the teleological systems that is the universe. This God is a being of pure mind, a spirit as it were, that does not interfere in the world. Even in Hume's Dialogues it is stated:
1)The world is like a machine.
2)Machines are made by human beings, in accordance with plans.
3)Like effects have like causes.
4)Therefore, the world probably owes its existence to something like a human being, who operates in accordance with a plan.
Hume as intelligent as he was, did not have the knowledge that we in the Twentieth Century possess. Again, natural phenomena can be explained scientifically and it shows that order and design occur within the order of nature. It can also be said that a God who is only of pure mind or a spirit does not possess the physical attributes, such as arms or hands needed the aid in the construction of this universal teleological system. It is best stated by Paul Edwards:
We do observe human architects, engineers, and their helpers, assembling such teleological systems as airplanes, motorcars, computers, and of course simple objects like watches, but no craftsman of any kind has ever been observed to arrange eyes ears or any of the other parts of animals and plants.
Peter V. Dugan |
Charybdis
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 | 08:30 PM
Without going into too much detail...
1.) Everything has a cause.
It is unknown if this is true or false.
2.) The universe is a thing and therefore has a cause.
See 1.)
3.) Causal theories can not extend into the past infinitely.
Why not?
4.) There must be a first cause. (an uncaused cause)
Why must there?
5.) The universe was therefore created by God.
Or a fluffy bunny named Steve. Equally valid.
Any attempt to build an argument on these points will fail because of these problems. Of course, that never stopped anybody, particularly on point #5. |
Smerk
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 | 08:47 PM
And don't forget that the meaning of life, the universe and everything is 42. |
Timmy
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 | 11:32 PM
There's a strange presence in the atmosphere of late. It seems God's around and we didn't realize it. Take a careful look around you; you'll realize there's something in the atmosphere that's different!! I believe God is around!!! |
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