MOH Forum: Prove God Exists and Get $1,000,000

Prove God Exists and Get $1,000,000

Posted By:
Lord Lucan
in somewhere strange
Jan 12, 2005

<a href="http://www.thinkandreason.com/" title="Think and Reason">Think and Reason</a> is offering $1,000,000 if you can<b> prove</b> that God exists. There are conditions attached. But they do say: <i>"All you have to do is prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that God exists. It is really that easy!"</i>

Is there really this money sitting waiting?

Supposing I said I was God - and prove I exist (should be easy) - is the money mine?

Category: Money, Religion; Replies: 1406

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Boo in The Land of the Haggii... Member	Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 \| 03:47 AM I think that's Rrrraoul....
apoet	Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 \| 07:50 AM Last night I approached this problem of proving the existence of God intellectually. In the end you can not prove nor disprove this concept scientifically or physically. Now I
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 \| 09:18 AM Who's got the key to the rubber room? I think we have a new inmate to check in.
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 \| 01:06 PM Wow, somebody took some LSD and forgot to let it wear off before he picked up a pen... :lol:
apoet	Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 \| 02:09 PM Just trying to deal with Yahweh, your way, my way, henweigh and anyway, it doesn't matter. peyote baby
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Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 \| 04:25 PM The existance of God cannot be proven, much as the existence of this purple hippo I'm sitting next to cannot be proven either. And as for the strange presence in the atmosphere; sorry, that was me. I probably should have left the forum first.
Kam	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 07:02 PM these are just my ramblings: it just hurts my head to know there are people out there who ACTUALLY believe in god. i mean its plainly obvious that god was a creation by man to explain the unexplained, and if you pick apart the books (or whatever you call them) of the new testament (which mr bush swears as gospel) you find that each new book, as opposed to being each persons eyewitness acount, is mereley an adaption of the previous persons view of jesus, and that in fact jesus never did exist. i also find it funny how that as science has been discovering things that dont quite fit in with religion, a percentage of christians will try and make it fit. "oh evolution! who created the monkeys then?" EXCUSE ME DUMBASS, you dont believe in evolution. If your gonna follow a religion, at least follow it correctly. if something cannot be proved, i feel no reason for us to believe in it. i can tell you right now that i have a giant rabbit friend who tells me the future. hes there. i cant prove it to you because only i can see him. but he is there. (i wonder if i can start another cult, maybe it might become as big as christianity!) frankly, anyone who believes an intelligent being created the universe, (i would state multiverse, but that would lead into a whole other argument as it is not quite proven yet), is an idiot. end of story. full stop. seriouslly. get a life, get a brain, and get a hobby. your wasting your life worrying about some pervert you say watches you 24 seven. yes i say pervert. he watches murders, he watches rape, he watches children get abused, raped, beaten, and some times cut up. he watches the vilest and sickest of things. he watches famine, he watches war. he watches all this and does nothing. Your absolutely full of shit and your religion is full of holes. even if there were a god, come judgement day i would spit on his face, shit on his doorstep and piss in his mouth. oh have i offended someone? i dont know how. ive said vile things about a being that doesnt exist. whats next, your gonna get upset cos i said santy clause is fake? oh well. im away to go enjoy my life that i have full control over, while you christians can continue with your paranoid lifestyles. "oh somebody is watching me! ooh noooo! better be good! better think good thoughts!! look at me im a mindless drone! a sheep! oh is this life?!? what joy!" BLEUGH. how much life has been wasted with people fighting all these wars over something as feeble as religion, what a waste of life, children, humanity, love, what a shameful waste, when you are all just idiots afraid of death....its such a sad sad story.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 08:51 PM Kam, Good comments, but I'm afraid you're making way too much sense for some people. Oh by the way, you forgot to mention that only the followers are mindless sheep worried about death. The leaders are mainly concerned with money, power and control. And they're laughing all the way to the bank.
vince	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 09:03 PM If i prove that god doesn't exist will i still get the 1,000,000 dollars? okok first off that galieo dude. he said that the earth revolves around the sun, but that went against the teachings of the church so they placed him under house arrest untill he died. GUESS WHAT?? the earth revolves around the sun! 2nd christianity says that god created every thing, but who created god? 3rd christianity says that you should love every body and treat them fairly...hmmm lets see weren't the nazis chritian? Also the crusaders who raped,killed, and looted from tones of people did it all in the name of "god." Slave drivers that were devoted chritians treated thier slaves like nothing. what a way to follow ur religion 4th the whole adam and eve thing. the bible states that god created adam and eve first, but fossil records clearly show that things where on the earth be for humans. 5th the virgin birth. right...just think about it and you will realize how stoopid that is. how can a virgin give birth?? that just goes against all science except the type of lizard that can clone itself. if you still belive in the virgin birth are you implying that mary was a lizard? 6th noahs arc 2 of every animal ehhh lets see...a boat that can hold 2 elephants, rhinos, giraffs, hippos, kimono dragons, apes, wolves, and etc. is just im possible. it would take a genious to design a boat able to do that and noah wasn't a genious. 7th again bout the noah story. god loves you right? well then how come he drowned everything on the planet except 2 of each animal? 8th the fluffy bunny steve owns all!! P.S. if you still belive in this "god" i got more than 15 more reasons why he doesn't exist. oh yea and where do i get my money?
vince	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 09:35 PM oh yea its me again another reason god isn't real Ahhh Noah. A few questions for you too then - where did he get the polar bears, penguins, etc from? Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. When the animals left the ark, what would they have eaten? There would have been no plants after the ground had been submerged for nearly a year. What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone extinct. And how did the New World primates or the Australian marsupials find there way back after the flood subsided? Noah kills the "clean beasts" and burns their dead bodies for God. According to the bible, this would have caused the extinction of all "clean" animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. How did they come back? As you can see....more unanswered questions than answers.
vince	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 10:12 PM 1 last thing :p "Love your enemies." Well, it's a nice thought. But it seems strange coming from someone who damns his enemies to hell.
Papazombie	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 10:33 PM Here's some cud to chew on folks... What if... ...There is no God, only LIFE. ...There is no sentient(sp?) supreme being and only an ambient(sp?), nonsentient creative force. This LIFE is in everything, like we are told God is, and is inifinate, like God. Instead of "I AM" try "IT IS" Religion is our way of giving answers to questions that we can not answer at this point, and to try to comprehend the inifinate. Everything we experience in Life is finate, having a beginning and an end. We can trace everything back to their beginnings. But then we question where did the Earth come from? Where did we come from? What started it all? As finite beings we have a difficult time understanding the infinate because experience tells us there must be a beginning and an end. We ask what created us? What created the infinately dense singularity that was the Big Bang? What was before the Big Bang? Most of us will say it was their God(s). But there is no God(s),just Life; and Life always was and always will be. And it is NOT sentient, just ambient. On a related note... An earlier posting mentioned God being in the past, present and future and yet believed in Free Will. If God is in the future that means the future is predeterminded, because you can apparently go there, and that means there is no Free Will. Can't have your cake and eat it too. BTY I believe in free will. As well I was born and raised (Read FORCED) a Roman Cathloic and went to Cathloic schools for most of my education and the only thing I follow from it is the 11th commandment. This was not an attack on those who believe in a God(s), it's just another point of view.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 11:27 PM The way Christians tend to explain the free-will-conundrum is that God knows what's going to happen, but doesn't influence it. The same way we watch a sports game we've already seen. Oh and Kam, there is no giant bunny. ONLY THE PURPLE HIPPO! Heathen.
vince	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 11:54 PM helloooo papa zombie did u read my 3 post right be 4 urs? no body can read them and still say that there is a god. they prove that god doesn't exist!
Papazombie	Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 \| 04:31 PM Hey Vince..... Read my comment again V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y. I stated that there is no God, only Life
Papazombie	Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 \| 05:42 PM Hey there Citizen Premier Dude, a conundrum it is, but if one can see the future then the future has been predetermined before you make your choices, so that would mean that there is no free will and its just an illusion. 😊 Good try with your example of the sports game but your talking about an event that has already happened and is being reviewed. 😉 BTY thanks for the response. 😊
Marcus	Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 \| 03:44 AM So I was whinking about that remark the believer made about the expanding heavens. Astronomers claim that the universe is indeed expanding (even Einstein had at first difficulties with this), and has been, since the big bang. Does the believer believe in the Big Bang theory then? If so, what happens to rest of the scientific theories (evolution etc)? What makes the believer equate 'heavens' with the universe? The bible mentiones nothing about the universe as we now see it. ... actually, got bored with argumenting with that imbeccil halfway through this text.
Ghoyst	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 09:25 PM God exists because you can't prove that he doesn't exist.
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 09:49 PM You can't prove God exists, therefore he doesn't. So there.
Ghoyst	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 \| 09:52 PM agreed.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 \| 01:51 AM Papazombie, you could ask a child, "Do you want to eat some vegetables or dessert?" And you can know that he'll say dessert. Based on Christian logic, it still makes sense.
Scott	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 05:23 AM You can't prove God exists, therefore he doesn't. So there. You can't prove God DOESN't exist, therefore he does So there. 😊 I think a lot of Atheists don't really know anything about God and the Religions they insult, And it gets worse when Christians who don't know much about Christianity try to prove God to an Athetist with stupid arguments, which just reinforces the Atheists belief that there is no God. And the Atheists are usually close minded and wouldn't believe in God if you gave them proof without a doubt. The chances of this universe existing, and everything working like it does, All the little things, For example, plants breathe in co2 and breathe out oxygen, humans breathe in Oxygen and breathe out co2, and everything else. If the Earth was a few degrees off on its axis, we wouldnt exist. The chance off us existing is 1 in 10 to the power of 1000. I find it hard to believe that there was no creator. Atheists would say, Well therse still that 1 there, which means it could happen, and did. But the chance is just so small, therefore its more likely that there is a God. And don't forget the historical accuracy of the Bible. Secular History agrees with the Bible on Jesus' crucifixion. They agree Jesus died on the cross, was put in a grave with a large stone rolled over it and guarded, And agree that 3 days later the large stone had rolled away and Jesus' body was gone. If you don't believe in God check out http://www.doesgodexist.org its a good site with scientific evidence that suggests a God.
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 07:38 AM Hm. Scott, either you didn't read all the posts (like the one JUST before mine) or you have no sense of humor. I'm not going to make a judgment right now. There is no scientific evidence that god exists. This does not prove that he doesn't, of course, but it boggle my mind how people take this to mean that he does. As for this universe existing perfectly for us, if it didn't we wouldn't be here to complain about it. What about all the universed where life as we know it can't exist? Does god not exist in them? (And I'm well aware that the existence of other universes is conjectural right now but since Scott is using fuzzy logic I thought I could get away with something slightly less fuzzy). As for historical accuracy in the Bible - ??? While there is undeniably some generally accepted historical facts in it the ones you site aren't among them. That someone very like Jesus, if not him in fact, existed is accepted. Nobody knows what he was crucified on. It may have been a modern cross, it may have been a big X. This is not historically known. Everything after that, I believe, is known only from the current Bible. Other apochryphal books list different occurences, both during his life, and after. And don't get started on how the Bible that exists now is the one god ordained. Every sect of Christianity believed the same thing about theirs too. Man, why do I get into these arguments? It's like beating your head against a wall.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 09:37 AM Athiests know more about religion than they care to. They just are not fooled by it like Scott is. If those points about oxygen and CO2 were not true, we may not have been here. Then again, maybe we would. Maybe there would be some other chemical relationship or none at all. How about the life around undersea thermal vents that do not depend on that cycle? And the thousands of religions never explain who created their Gods. Since there are at least 100 billion stars in our galaxy and humans have observed millions, if not billions of other galaxies, your estimate of probability of our existance (1 in 10 to the power of 1000) would still leave us with millions of intelligent species. I like those odds. Scientific evidence that God exists? I'm sure there is, some just like there is evidence Santa Clause exits. But in trying to prove Santa exists you can't just conveniently ignore the even stronger evidence that shows he does not exist. In the same way, the Creationists use selective reasoning to try and prove their case. For example, they simply ignore the fact that the earth is much older than they say it is. That fact alone renders their whole argument invalid. I think it is Scott who has the closed mind. Our opinions are based on observation and fact. His are based on superstition and historical myth. What would it take to convince an Athiest that God exists? Simple. Make God show himself. Make him stop all wars and disease and children with birth defects. That's all.
Scott	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 10:16 AM I didnt read all the posts. only the first few pages and last few posts. What about all the universed where life as we know it can't exist? Does god not exist in them? God exists outside of the universe. God wasn't created, He has always been. He isnt bound by the laws of this universe, therefore he doesn't require to have a beginning. I guess it is pointless for Atheists to argue against believers because we're never going to agree with you and vice versa. And I'm only 16, and definitely not smart enough to argue against you guys who probably finished high school and went to college. But I just cant understand how you dont believe in A god, maybe not the christian god or muslim god, but at least a creator of everything. Maybe this would convince you?......
Scott	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 10:19 AM Maybe this will convince you?..... http://discussions.godandscience.org/about474.html
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 10:39 AM I don't believe in a god because I've never found comfort in mythology. Fascination yes, but it's never ruled my life. If every religion has different beliefs, even belief in more than one god, how can you accept that all are equally valid. Obviously some have to be wrong. And there is no way to tell which, if any, are the correct ones. Such a mix of religious beliefs is yet more evidence that god doesn't exist, for if he did he would surely enforce similar ideologies and restrictions among all his people, particularly about worshipping other gods. Besides, my universe doesn't require a god.
Winona in USA Member	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 02:14 PM Chary, the way I see it is you pick a flavour, and follow it. As long as you are a decent person, you're a-ok with me.
Ghoyst	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 02:39 PM to qoute IRC "I like god, it's just his fanclub I hate."
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 03:37 PM Scott seems to think he can comprehend the immense size and age of the universe. I also like how he pulled the number "1 in 10 to the power of 1000" out of his ass.
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 03:40 PM Hm. I guess that means I like my life flavorless. Explains a lot actually, which is a shame because I really like cookies and cream.
Timmo Member	Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 \| 10:47 AM Proof A is that God exists Proof B is that He made everything Proof C is that Heaven exists A--------- Simple: The idea in your head of something un-halt-able must actually be un-halt-able, otherwise it has been halted. (the * denotes any arguments, or halts, you tell me). B--------- Everything halt-able has something it can't control (that's what makes it halt-able). Therefore to have the whole of halt-able existence requires something outside it which it can't control. If this is outside halt-able existence, it must be un-halt-able. (Or, for the whole of existence to exist and control itself, the whole (or some) of existence must be un-halt-able) C--------- It follows on from what I said earlier in A that not just something un-halt-able must exist but an extended idea of everything and anything un-halt-able must exist. Therefore this un-halt-able power is extending itself to everything (all possible extensions) somehow. I admit that the above "proofs" are dependent on mathematical laws which would be under God anyway, and the currents in your brain can't percieve anything beyond a 50-50 chance, so they are shaky arguments. What I advise is that you actually check out evidence of what Jesus did on this planet. If Jesus is there, then you have lost nothing by asking Him to help you. Asking will whaste about 60 seconds of your life if He isn't there but will gain you infinity if He is there. Trust me; I've asked Him. It is impossible for there to exist a situation where someone asks Jesus for help and He turns away. Or for a statement of truth not to have His voice in it. It is only by Him that life (TO THE FULL) can be experienced and not whasted. Remember, infinityp>60(1-p), no matter how small p is
X in McKinney, TX Member	Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 \| 12:22 PM Oooooook........ Try to make since of something when you post. There is a word for what u just said...It's "Rambling" The only time you will come near anykind of proof is when you die. Personally im not wasting any time on religious figures.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 \| 12:06 AM Tim is probably and idiot, but I think his arguement A is similar to the old claim that "God exists, because otherwise we wouldn't be able to imagine him." Sounds totally defeating of logic. Oh, and Tim, I asked. I heard nothing. Hence, no Jesus. Eric doesn't seem to agree, he insists that I did something wrong; but how is it wrong to ask? Crock o' shit, I tell you.
Timmo	Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 \| 08:58 AM You didn't do anything wrong if you were sincere in asking. Just wait.
David B. Member	Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 \| 05:01 AM Sorry Tim, but CP got it completely wrong! He should have started, "Lord Lucifer hear my plea..." The PATH to infinite POWER and KNOWLEDGE is SATAN! SUBJUGATE yourself to HIM and he will RAISE you above all OTHERS! SATAN! SATAN! SATAN! So you see the potential rewards are infinite, and the effort expended (X) is finite. As you yourself pointed out "infinity * p > X * (1 - p), no matter how small p is". :coolgrin:
G	Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 \| 06:13 AM ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II) (1) I can conceive of a perfect God. (2) One of the qualities of perfection is existence. (3) Therefore, God exists. MODAL ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (1) God is either necessary or unnecessary. (2) God is not unnecessary, therefore God must be necessary. (3) Therefore, God exists. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I) (1) Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex? (2) Only God could have made them so complex. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM BEAUTY, aka TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II) (1) Isn't that baby/sunset/flower/tree beautiful? (2) Only God could have made them so beautiful. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM MIRACLES (1) My aunt had cancer. (2) The doctors gave her all these horrible treatments. (3) My aunt prayed to God and now she doesn't have cancer. (4) Therefore, God exists. MORAL ARGUMENT (I) (1) Person X, a well-known Atheist, was morally inferior to the rest of us. (2) Therefore, God exists. MORAL ARGUMENT (II) (1) In my younger days I was a cursing, drinking, smoking, gambling, child-molesting, thieving, murdering, bed-wetting bastard. (2) That all changed once I became religious. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM CREATION (1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists. (2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM FEAR (1) If there is no God then we're all going to die. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE (1) [arbitrary passage from OT] (2) [arbitrary passage from NT] (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM INTELLIGENCE (1) Look, there's really no point in me trying to explain the whole thing to you stupid Atheists -- it's too complicated for you to understand. God exists whether you like it or not. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM UNINTELLIGENCE (1) Okay, I don't pretend to be as intelligent as you guys -- you're obviously very well read. But I read the Bible, and nothing you say can convince me that God does not exist. I feel him in my heart, and you can feel him too, if you'll just ask him into your life. "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth." John 3:16. (2) Therefore, God exists.
G	Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 \| 06:14 AM ARGUMENT FROM UNINTELLIGENCE (1) Okay, I don't pretend to be as intelligent as you guys -- you're obviously very well read. But I read the Bible, and nothing you say can convince me that God does not exist. I feel him in my heart, and you can feel him too, if you'll just ask him into your life. "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth." John 3:16. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM BELIEF (1) If God exists, then I should believe in Him. (2) I believe in God. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM INTIMIDATION (1) See this bonfire? (2) Therefore, God exists. PARENTAL ARGUMENT (1) My mommy and daddy told me that God exists. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM NUMBERS (1) Millions and millions of people believe in God. (2) They can't all be wrong, can they? (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM ABSURDITY (1) Maranathra! (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM ECONOMY (1) God exists, you bastards! (2) Therefore, God exists. BOATWRIGHT'S ARGUMENT (1) Ha ha ha. (2) Therefore, God exists. DORE'S ARGUMENT (1) I forgot to take my meds. (2) Therefore, I AM CHRIST!! (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM GUITAR MASTERY (1) Eric Clapton is God. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM INTERNET AUTHORITY (1) There is a website that successfully argues for the existence of God. (2) Here is the URL. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPREHENSIBILITY (1) Flabble glurk zoom boink blubba snurgleschnortz ping! (2) No one has ever refuted (1). (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN EVANGELISM (1) Telling people that God exists makes me filthy rich. (2) Therefore, God exists. MITCHELL'S ARGUMENT (1) The Christian God exists. (2) Therefore, all worldviews which don't assume the Christian God's existence are false and incomprehensible. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (I) (1) Atheists are spiritually blind. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (II) (1) God is love. (2) Love is blind. (3) Stevie Wonder is blind. (4) Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God. (5) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM FALLIBILITY (1) Human reasoning is inherently flawed. (2) Therefore, there is no reasonable way to challenge a proposition. (3) I propose that God exists. (4) Therefore, God exists.
G	Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 \| 06:15 AM ARGUMENT FROM SMUGNESS (1) God exists. (2) I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not; I have better things to do than to try to convince you morons. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM META-SMUGNESS (1) Fuck you. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM MANIFESTATIONS (1) If you turn your head sideways and squint a little, you can see an image of a bearded face in that tortilla. (2) Therefore, God exists. SLATHER'S ARGUMENT (1) My toaster is God. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPLETE DEVASTATION (1) A plane crashed killing 143 passengers and crew. (2) But one child survived with only third-degree burns. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM POSSIBLE WORLDS (1) If things had been different, then things would be different. (2) That would be bad. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM SHEER WILL (1) I DO believe in God! I DO believe in God! I do I do I do I DO believe in God! (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM NONBELIEF (1) The majority of the world's population are nonbelievers in Christianity. (2) This is just what Satan intended. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM POST-DEATH EXPERIENCE (1) Person X died an Atheist. (2) He now realizes his mistake. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL (1) God loves you. (2) How could you be so heartless to not believe in him? (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM SACRIFICIAL BLACKMAIL (1) Jesus died for your sins. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM INCOHERENT BABBLE (1) See that person spazzing on the church floor babbling incoherently? (2) That's how infinite wisdom reveals itself. (3) Therefore, God exists. OPRAH'S ARGUMENT (I) (1) The human spirit exists. (2) Therefore, God exists. OPRAH'S ARGUMENT (II) (1) Check out this video segment. (2) Now how can anyone watch that and NOT believe in God? (3) Therefore, God exists. CALVINISTIC ARGUMENT (1) If God exists, then he will let me watch you be tortured forever. (2) I rather like that idea. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM CROCKERY (1) Pots don't go around giving orders to the potter. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM MASS PRODUCTION (1) Barbie dolls were created. (2) If Barbie dolls were created, then so were trees. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM PAROCHIALISM (1) God is everywhere. (2) We haven't been everywhere to prove he's not there. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM UPPERCASE ASSERTION (1) GOD EXISTS! GET USED TO IT! (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM INFINITE REGRESS (1) Ask Atheists what caused the Big Bang. (2) Regardless of their answer, ask how they know this. (3) Continue process until the Atheist admits he doesn't know the answer to one of your questions. (4) You win! (5) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM INCREDULITY (1) How could God NOT exist, you bozo? (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM HISTORY (1) The Bible is true. (2) Therefore, the Bible is historical fact. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM RESURRECTION (1) Proof of God's existence will be available when you rise bodily from your grave. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM BIOGENESIS (1) Where did Adam come from, dummy? (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM STEADFAST FAITH (1) A lot of really cool people believed in God their entire lives. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM LONELINESS (1) Christians say that Jesus is their best friend. (2) I'm lonely, and I want a best friend. (3) Therefore, God exists.
Boo in The Land of the Haggii... Member	Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 \| 06:17 AM :lol: Priceless!
David B. Member	Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 \| 07:43 AM You missed: ARGUMENT FROM REFLECTION (1) You can't prove God doesn't exist. (2) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM MATHEMATICS (1) You can't prove God doesn't exist. (2) From (1), the probability of God > 0. (3) God is infinite, (4) infinity * p(God) > 0 (5) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM STATISTICS (1) The probability of X is very small. (2) I don't understand probability very well. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM PHYSICS [and I'm not making this up!] (1) The collapse of the Schrodinger wave function can be fomulated in such a manner as to postulate a trancendental observer. (2) That observer is God. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM BIOLOGY (I) (1) What good is half an eye? (2) Eyes must have been created. (3) Therefore, God exists. ARGUMENT FROM BIOLOGY (II), aka ARGUMENT FROM ZENO (1) If A evolved from B where is the intermediate form C? (2) [When C found] If A evolved from C where is the intermediate form D? (3) [When D found] If A evolved from D where is the intermediate form E? : (m) [When Z not found] There is no intermediate form, A must have been created. (n) Therefore, God exists.
X in McKinney, TX Member	Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 \| 07:47 AM Hmmmm....makes since.....
David B. Member	Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 \| 07:58 AM I actually went back and searched for 'A Hundred Proofs of God's Existence' on Google (where I read this once before). It's now 'Over Three-hundred Proofs[...]' :lol: http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm Mind you, some of my examples (Zeno, Physics, Reflection), don't seem to be there.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 \| 08:09 AM G, Who are you trying to convince? Us or yourself? I'll bet you own lots of ocean front property in Montana. "2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it" :lol: This guy is a first class, certifiable wacko!
David B. Member	Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 \| 03:37 PM Captain Al: I think G was just listing a jumbo load of crank 'proofs' in one go to save us having to listen to them all separately. Personally, if most theists (and atheists) would just go "God, blah, blah, blah!" and then shut up and let the intelligent people talk, it'd all be a lot more enjoyable (for us intelligent people anyway).
greg	Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 \| 11:13 AM Interesting thread, I read all 12 pages and I'm more agnostic than ever.. In my opinion Hindu is the way to go, you get a whole bunch of gods to pick from.. which is all really the same god.. GO KRISHNA ITS YOUR BIRTHDAY! (December 25th, sound familiar?) http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jckr1.htm
Nick in Merrie Olde Englande Member	Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 \| 03:11 PM I must first confess that i got to page ten and suffered terrible deja vu and couldnt finish this thread. this is a forum sin, forgive me for i am impure yadayada. anyway, here are some thoughts INFINTY is, according to the Kalam tradition, an imagined notion with no literal significance. something can only exist if it is actualised, if it is complete. eggs, flour, sugar etc may aspire to be a cake but are not a cake until moulded as such. the same is true of 'infinity'- it cannot exist until completed, and cannot be completed as it is infinite! THE ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT has appeared here in various forms, and i must confess on first reading it was presented so well that i almost believed it. the original form was presented by Anselm: God is the most perfect thing You have a notion of God An actual God, as the most perfect thing, is more perfect than your notional God, must exist However, this suggests that the notional and actual can be compared, meaning that they are different. Hence my notion of a perfect being is different to any actual 'perfect being' that might be. Descartes reformulated it, as i think ive seen on this forum: God is perfect God hence possesses all attributes perfectly Hence God possesses the attribute of existance perfectly Hence God must exist This again is fatally flawed- existance cannot be an attribute, it is a prerequisite to having attributes. TIME is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 \| 12:20 AM TIME is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. I think of TIME more as a magazine. Ask me about LIFE.
David B.	Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 \| 03:36 AM [continuing the quote theme...] Life? Don't talk to me about life!
Nick in Merrie Olde Englande Member	Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 \| 08:42 AM since we're on a douglas adams theme, his take on religion was that it was created because people saw the world around them as having been created to suit them. he likened this to a puddle seeing the dent in the ground as having been created to suit it.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 \| 12:09 PM Sorry to G if he was just joking about his 'proofs'. David B. was probably right about his trying to spare us from someone seriously trying to use them as arguments. And David I agree with your comments. People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who do!
David B.	Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 \| 01:01 PM I knew you were going to say that!
David B. Member	Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 \| 01:19 PM Nick, The ONTOLOGICAL argument proposed by Tim and others is not without philosophical problems (aside from the attribute of existence being a prerequisite to having attributes, good one!). Very basically the argument is, the concept of a perfect being, God, is only tenable if He exists. Not existing would be short of perfection, so the fact that you can imagine a perfect being is both proof and consequence of him existing. I.e. (1) I can conceive of a perfect God. (2) One of the qualities of perfection is existence. (3) Therefore, God exists. But if I can imagine a perfect being. Then I am holding the concept of that perfect being in my mind. An imperfect object cannot contain a perfect one, therefore my mind is also perfect. Therefore I am perfect. Therefore I am God. Or, (4) My mind contains a perfect concept (God). (5) My mind is perfect. (6) My self contains my mind. (7) I am perfect. (8) I am God. Personally, I call all of this ONANtology (if you don't know who Onan is, Wikipedia is a good source), I like my philosophy more grounded.
Nick	Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 \| 02:23 PM David, do me a favour- read carefully what i wrote. the tone of your message implies that im a fan of the ontological argument- far from it!
Chuva	Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 \| 04:05 PM Wow... I guess they'll never have a fear of losing that money. There is more proof that Bigfoot exists than your so called, "God".
stork in the absence of time	Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 \| 09:09 PM I hate to respond to something on page #3 of this thread, but it seems that Tim's comments have everyone all flustered. Consider this - I used to think that it would be unfair of God to have sent someone to hell 3,000, 4,000 or however many years ago, and then send someone else into perpetual torment today, for the same reasons. And of course, the easy answer to that is, "Who said God is fair?" Recently, I have learned thru this and other sites that there is a theorum proposed that actually denies the existence of measurable time, at all. It fits pretty well within super-string theory. Any Physics majors wwant to comment?
David B. Member	Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 \| 07:35 AM do me a favour- read carefully what i wrote. the tone of your message implies that im a fan of the ontological argument- far from it! Uh, actually I complimented you on your criticism of it ("existence being a prerequisite to having attributes, good one"). It's just as you were actually discussing the philosophy of it all, I addressed my remarks to you (as an attention getter). It is, perhaps, a modest indictment of this board that any directed comment should be assumed to be a criticism. In this case it wasn't though.
skepticality Member	Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 \| 01:06 PM I don't know if this has been answered... It was asked in the original posting if the money exists. The answer is yes. Even if 'Think and Reason' cannot pay you, if you have the undeniable proof that God exists. Then you can just get that million from the James Randi Educational Foundation. It is real, and in a trust holding, you can even get the proof and trust rules that the money is held under. Until the prize is won, the JREF just takes the interest off the top of the cash sitting in the trust. If you want some more information on the JREF prize, or how you can win the million if you have that proof, OR you want to hear it DIRECTLY from James Randi himself, we have him on our show next week explaining exactly what bank the money is in, and the legal requirements for the trust, and how you can verify that the cash is real and in the bank. That episode goes out for free download monday night: http://www.skepticality.com/ I just figured, since it is a common question people have on these 'contests' it would be a good thing to listen to. Derek C. host - skepticality
Nick	Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 \| 01:09 PM David, my apologies all i can say is i was tired. and i was utterly revulsed by the thought that someone was implying im that gullible!
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