The Museum of Hoaxes
DNA Perfection ??
Posted By:
Archana Padhye
Jun 28, 2004
 A site by Toby Alexander :
http://www.dnaperfection.com

claims about something like remote DNA Activation!! I searched web about the authenticity about the said things but could find nothing!

Can anybody throw light upon ?

Thanks.
Category: Scams; Replies: 394

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X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 | 02:35 PM
Anybody want me to close this down?????
The Curator
in San Diego
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 | 03:30 PM
No, we can't close this thread down.

Someone who once had some bad dealings with Toby Alexander and then found my site, actually donated money to me. It's the only time anyone HAS EVER sent me money out of the blue. They wanted to remain anonymous and didn't want anything in return. But for their sake I want to keep this thread open, no matter how weird it gets.

(it was around $100... just in case anyone is imagining that it was thousands of dollars).
X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 | 03:36 PM
WoW.......I did not know that!!!!! Your tha BOSS!!!!
antara
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 | 03:36 PM
don't close this down. It is toby needs to be shut down read mitch k last post ref azurite
Winona
in USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 | 09:29 AM
I think it is a valuable thread in a sense. If people are going to be or are getting ripped off, at least a basic search on yahoo will come up with some differing points of views.
EnAS aLa LeOn
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 | 11:32 PM
Russian DNA Discoveries
http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/russian_dna_discoveries.htm
http://www.rense.com/general62/expl.htm
http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/russian_dna.htm
http://www.worldnewsstand.net/05/sprpt/1-3.htm
http://www.turtlezen.com/russiandnadiscoveries.html
http://www.soulinvitation.com/superDNA/superDNA.html
http://www.joshuabooks.com/newsletter11.htm
http://academyofselfadvancement.netfirms.com/Richard Quataert.htm
http://www.fulldisklosure.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=11
http://www.red-ice.net/specialreports/paranormaldna.html
Bryan
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 | 12:04 AM
To all the people that have posted replys to the DNA Activation topic:
My name is Bryan and I have experienced Toby's work with all 4 sessions that took place may-june of last year.
I can understand why you are all skeptical about this 'new found reality' because I was too. but Toby is right that your minds frequency only regulates what it is bound to; meaning that the higher your frequency the more information you will allow to bring upon yourself.
I can safely say that after my DNA sessions took place that I did to consult Toby about obtaining a refund because I expected to be different straight away. However this is not the case as I have now discovered, like Toby says spirituality growth doesnt occur overnight. It takes event over your entire course of life.

I have come far from the aggrivations of everyday life and now include a renewed sense of awareness, telepathic abilities, lucid dreaming and manifestation abilities beyond my wildest dreams. I also have excellent cooking skills that have 'magically appeared' from at one stage only being able to cook 2 minute noodles. I also have a very logical mind in having the ability to communicate and read peoples minds & emotions with ease, thus meaning I can interpret the right answer to any situation whether it be me or any other person. I ideally can figure out the flaw to any relationship problem consisting of any nature.

I extend my greatest gratitude toward Toby for giving me this special gift for the world is not what it appears to be that of a leapord skin. It is by far the exact opposite by realising that the human mind is a diverse linkage to the universe, with allowed application and technique the world becomes your oyster.

With loving intent I stress the need for you all to become aware of DNA Activation for it is indeed REAL! All you need is an open mind and try it for yourself.
Rod
in the land of smarties.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 | 12:28 AM
"All those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand" - Emo Philips
john occipiculina
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 | 04:11 AM
Toby stop answering to yourself , please , you are finished .
EnAS aLa LeOn
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 | 12:10 PM
Dear John Occipiculina,it's NOT Toby who is answering,it's the PEOPLE who can see the BIG PICTURE and obviously YOU are not one of them yet.
But I'm sure YOU will BE one of them very soon.

EnAS aLa LeOn
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 | 12:27 PM
I have it when I get gum stuck in my energy field. I always have to cut it out...then wait for it to grow back...I can't do a think with it.
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 | 12:40 PM
Maegan, if you froze you energy field than you can chip it out with fork.
Myst
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 | 12:59 PM
Maegan, "you can't do a think with it"? 😊

Charybdis, I do love your new avatar.
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 | 02:28 PM
I assumed (right or wrong, I dunno) that Maegan made her typos on purpose in keeping with the ongoing theme which is why I copied it in my reply to her.

As to the avatar, it took me ages to find it but I finally did, all by myself. 😉

Really though, thanks for the picture. Since all my avatars are cool solar pictures I decided to add it to my rotation.
antanara
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 | 12:50 PM
En as al leon these sites are irrelevant
http://www.azuritepress.com is where toby gets his info and pass it on as it is his .
Brian since he gave you this gift why does not toby do something use ful with his talent and all his remote view abilites and stop the world distaster like parting the tsunami and letting the people walk through or how about going to sudan with one loaf of bread and one fish and multiply it and feed the starving people doesn't brian or toby could it be the same person claim he has 12 d activated man jesus is here we should all be living in peace by now
Rod
in the land of smarties.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 | 01:02 PM
yes and if we all constantly typed like this i mean with no periods or commas or question marks then we would all be total idiots but then there would also be peace on earth because nobody could understand what the fuck anyone else was talking about and then nobody would ever get offended because how would you know what the hell anyone was talking about so how would you know they insulted you beacause if they ever managed to finally understand what you wrote then you would never be able to understand what they wrote you back anyway jesus i freakin hate people who dont know how to use punctuation in any way shape or form i think they are all morons who should be shot and killed and thus improve the gene pool for the rest of us who have a higher brain function than a hydrocephalic kangaroo who spent his entire life living in a dark cave smoking crack and banging his head on the floor does anyone know what im talking about
Bryan
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 | 08:07 PM
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Myst
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 | 09:48 PM
you know rod it is incredibly difficult for me to type without using punctuation i automatically hit the keys and have to use backspace to correct this i honestly dont know how people can type like this it drives me nuts to try it i wont tell you how many times i had to hit backspace to remove the punctuation from this posting :cheese:
Myst
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 | 09:50 PM
I am glad you liked the picture, Charybdis. I figured you would since you like the solar theme. If I see any more good one's I will send them your way. 😊
Rod
in the land of smarties.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 | 10:42 PM
Yeah, it was damned hard for me, too. I spent a while removing capitals and punctuation from the preview version of that verbal diarrhea.

I'm surprised in managed to get through it without heavy medication. It seriously drives me nuts when people type like that all the time.

Somewhere in Texas, Stephen's fingers are burning, and he doesn't know why. He'll figure it out when he reads this post tomorrow and is thinking of replying in one long rambling blather, just 'cause I said I hate it when people do that...

:lol:
dude
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 | 06:10 PM
Now Toby is posting as Bryan.. whatever

This thread is hilarious... full of moronic nonsense like "mind's frequency is not tuned"... that crap just cracks me up. Sad that people actually fall for it though...
john occipiculina
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 | 02:42 AM
Its a common thread , using buzzwords like quantum, frequency, resonance, i'm an electhronics engeneer , and everytime i smile to all that people using this terms without knowing the meaning and the true use of such devices, resonance really is something that depends an a physical system forced with an external alternating force.
I would like to give an advice to all the Toby(s) out there, before using such words study a little bit of physics and correct your nonsense.
Toby you are a looser, boy, live with that , and give back the money you've stolen to depressed people, give back Toby, give back .
antara
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 | 03:00 AM
totally agree with you.
using big scientific words to impress people. misusing words playing with peoples minds and lives.
Jason
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 02:10 PM
After closely reviewing the stuff offered on the site I came to the conclusion that it is a cult.

First it targets those people who are vonerable, lonely, strange people who do not fit in anywhere and feel unsocial. Then it askes you for your money and tells you that you will become one of the elite groups of people that are destined to do something in the year 2012.
Doesn't this seem a little suspicios to anyone. I think I am the only person who is making this claim. It does sound very atractive, especialy for those "Indigo Children" who just cant fit in, but thats how these groups work.
This is a cult, it is that simple, and I advise everyone to stay far away from that webpage.
DCLife
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:32 PM
Hi,

Reading about all these fake healers... does anybody know any people who can successfully activate DNA? If so, could you please list their websites?
dont_worry_be_happy
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:50 PM
8-/ Hi. I am a high school science-major student and have recently begun to research the whole DNA activation thing after reading a very interesting and strikingly potent article about Indigo children. Now I do yoga and believe that every person has an aura and spirit to some extent and that there must be some form of higher life, however I am in fact a science student so whatever cannot be proven through careful research is false...now, DNA activation to me sounds like a good argument and can potentially be true and work (I particularly believe so because of my own personal outlook on life which I may include later). I am not sure whether DNA activation is true but a few things to think about regarding both sides of the matter:

-When one does not comprehend or grasp something, one will automatically reject the idea as rubbish. sometimes people will never ggrasp ceratin concepts. it does not mean they are wrong or nonexistant.

-if this 12 strand theory is true, why is it not in peer-reviewed journals? why is it laughed at by scientists?

-Is this not just some other placebo or hypnotysm/ optimism boost for the person who is emiled it?(oh and its not even done in person?!?)

-if a dna activation can be conducted FOR FREE first of all, and sincerely by an "activator" and it really does produce results, maybe I will advocate it then.

Please, anyone with information write about this topic....I am very interested and thinking of doing it someday...

😊
Tom Ponzi
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 | 03:14 AM
DNA activation sound very unlikely, there isn't anyone on the whole earth who can 'activate' your dna , and who claims he can do , its a Toby.
EnAS aLa LeOn
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 | 08:59 PM
Hello to all,

The Ancient Greeks used to say "if there is a smoke there is a fire"
Google Results 1 - 10 of about 3,950,000 for dna activation. (0.08 seconds)
This is a "BIG FIRE"
Google Results 1 - 10 of about 2,510,000 for indigo children. (0.14 seconds)
This is another "BIG FIRE"

Now.Why aren't all these in the media?
Because THEY control the media.
Google Results 1 - 10 of about 791,000 for Illuminati [definition]. (0.12 seconds)

Now, how can THEY cover up something so "BIG"??
The same way they cover up for 80 years the Royal Rife Technologies.
Google Results 1 - 10 of about 1,480,000 for Rife [definition]. (0.09 seconds)

Now.Why are all these information on the Internet?
Because NOBODY can control the Internet anymore!!

I'm reading about two years for all these and much much much more I can ensure you.
The frequency of the planet was 7.83 Hz(cycles) for thousands of years BUT in 1999 changed to 9.8 Hz and about 2012 it will be 13Hz(cycles).
Google Results 1 - 10 of about 585,000 for zero point field 13 Hz . (0.22 seconds)

Well.We are going direct nonstop to Zero point field or 4th Dimension and if one's body is not ready for the higher frequency that's going to be a problem....

Conclusion
How can I bring higher frequency's in My body??
DNA Activation!!
Do you know how many practitioner's do DNA Activation at this point of time?? Thousands!!!!
So,after all this reading My Conclusion was I have to do the DNA Activation NOW and guess what!!
Yes with Toby!! Because He is the best in the market!And guess what I have to wait 2.5 months!!
If you read thousands of pages as I did about dna
activation you will go with Him also.He is the most expensive but he is the most clear one of what he is doing to you and why.Also he has the best reference.So, I did a search on the Internet about Him and that was the reason of My landing to this Website.
Google Results 1 - 10 of about 653,000 for dna activation cost Price. (0.24 seconds)

We have the biggest power tool ever and this is the Internet.USE IT.
So, start reading nonstop before is to late
for you and your Families.
Good Luck to All

EnAS aLa LeOn Maybe I'm alone but I'm a Lion
john occipiculina
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 | 01:55 AM
Toby , nice try, but please don't come here every time with a new nickname trying to save what's left of your public image , DNA activation is a buzzword no more than 2012 , i strongly believe that DNA can't be activated , but exactly what is activated ? more strands ? , come on people, get real, when 2012 will arrive will be laughing at all the craps we've heared for all these years.
Internet can't be controlled and that's why is the least place to look for correct informations.
If you want real knowledge, get a degree.
EnAS aLa LeOn
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 | 08:20 AM
My dear friend john occipiculina I will tell you one more time and last that I'm not Toby Alexander..Maybe is time to start think
maybe there is a possibility that you are wrong.I'm
Greek and Toby is not.
Αγαπειτε φιλε θελω να πιστευω οτι θα ξυπνησεις ενα πρωι και θα καταλαβεις οτι δεν εισαι τοσο εξυπνος οσο νομιζεις.
Τοτε θα δεις ποσο μεγαλο λαθος εκανες. Θα δεις οτι πολλοι ανθρωποι προσπαθησαν να σε βοηθησουν ,
αλλα εσυ κοιμοσουν τον υπνο του δικαιου!
Ευχομε να μην ειναι πολυ αργα για σενα τοτε και για ολους τους αλλους.
Καλη Τυχη

Ενας Αλλα Λεων
dont_worry_be_happy
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 | 08:46 AM
I have been thinking a lot about this...now when people cannot understand something they automatically reject the idea...It is one thing to be gullible about these things but one should also not be closed minded.....this theory of dna activation may well be possible...now, in 2000, when the horrible catastrophes and armaggedon would come, there were whole cults of people who commited mass suicides beacuse they thought the world would end anyway...they were wrong...this theory has nothing to do with suicide, just with self-improvement so to speak...hey, you dont know what will happen later on, sdo if the concept in any way interests you you should definetely research it and look into it more, its worth it....
Winona
in USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 | 10:32 AM
Babelfish translates:
Agapejte friend I want to believe that you will wake up one morning and will occupy that you are not as intelligent as you believe. Then you will see sum big error it made. You will see that a lot of persons tried you they help, other you it slept the sleep of right! Eyhome they is not very late for sena then and for all the other. Good Chance A But Lewn
Matt
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 | 09:27 PM
Hi Anastasia, have you had the dna activations done since your last comment. I've just sent a money wire transfer for the Auric Clearing, was wondering how it's all going for you. P.S, thanks heaps for posting that link for us, I'll definitely have a look at it
Winona
in USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 | 10:32 PM
Wire transfer? Why is it that all the real scam artists use WT's? Oh yeah, so they can get away with ripping people off.
Ajay Solanki
Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 | 11:54 AM
All of this talk is linked to Indian culture what we call the vedas. The DNA Activation what the west has just come to understand the east has experimented implemented this for 3000 years.
The whole world revolves around the chakra the fore head between the eyes.

The chakra emits electo magnetic waves , A lot of the DNA activation is do with this.


http://www.learningmeditation.com/chakras.htm
Im not a guru on anything just a normal regular human being.

Rgds
Ajay
swp
Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 | 09:48 AM
Ajay, you twit, there is no such think as a "chakra" for 3000 years the indians have been playing with that voodoo because they didn't have a clue, so they made something up.

This DNA Activation bullshit is obvious garbage.. DNA is a template for building proteins. It is fairly well understood, and there is nothing to "activate" and no mechanism by which it could be intentionally modified by a bunch of quacks pretending to do something scientific by string together a few random scientific terms like "frequencies" and "electro-magnetic fields".

You really should have paid more attention at school and learned to think for yourself. Perhaps then you wouldn't be so gullible.
Marco Knight
Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 | 04:37 PM
hello everyone,
i was touched from the article of the dna activation and i think it is almost normal to think that magick can't be done by the only concentration because we have not the dna activated. you all think that the idea was of toby but i it not so... almost every actors of hollywood think we have dormamnt gods.Men that have a real value in the world know how to unlock it...ahah...yes it is so, many secret are covered and they wont uncover them for the public because the sovrappolation and the problems of resorces of our planet...

exemple...easy exemple...

u have a car...not common rail but normal diesel

say : go to fuck petrodiesel and i will use colza oil... for my car and my wallet...

u can full your car of vegetable oil (if your car is diesel supplied).

also... scientists knew from a long time how to avoid every cell damage...

it is the drug market that drive us and them so we die with pills, folk medics...it is alomost folk for public... u don't know what real huppend in the home of an important man of earth.
magick exist...we cannot develop nothing without the know of the real dna activation and all others REAL things...we shut up and buy ring tone...tell ourself BULLSHITS strong bulls...to stay in peace with ourself.
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 | 04:46 AM
I have no idea what you're trying to say. But I'll have a go.

hello everyone,
i was touched from the article of the dna activation and i think it is almost normal to think that magick can't be done by the only concentration because we have not the dna activated.

I found the article touching? Believeable?, and I think that it is normal to think that magic can't be done by only using concentration. And that it would be possible if our DNA was activated.


you all think that the idea was of toby but i it not so... almost every actors of hollywood think we have dormamnt gods

You all think that DNA activation was Toby's idea, but I disagree. Almost all the actors in Hollywood think that we have dormant gods.

Men that have a real value in the world know how to unlock it...

Presumably people who have 'real value' as Hollywood actors.

ahah...yes it is so, many secret are covered and they wont uncover them for the public because the sovrappolation and the problems of resorces of our planet...

Yes, it's true. Many secrets are, well, secret, and will not be exposed to the public due to the [possibly] overpopulation and the problems of resources on our planet. I wasn't aware that this DNA activation thing made people use more resourses.

exemple...easy exemple...
u have a car...not common rail but normal diesel
say : go to fuck petrodiesel and i will use colza oil... for my car and my wallet...
u can full your car of vegetable oil (if your car is diesel supplied).
also... scientists knew from a long time how to avoid every cell damage...

A simple example.
You have a car. Not common [rail. I have no idea], but normal diesel, say.
[I think] You can use petrodiesel, and I shall use colza oil [which is better] for my car and my wallet. You can use vegetable oil to run your car (if your car is a diesel).
Plus scientists have known for a long time how to avoid all cell damages.

it is the drug market that drive us and them so we die with pills, folk medics...it is alomost folk for public... u don't know what real huppend in the home of an important man of earth.

It is the drug market that drives us and the scientists, so we die with medication and folk remedies [?]
[I believe] Folk remedies for the public, but you don't know what happens in the home of an important man.

magick exist...we cannot develop nothing without the know of the real dna activation and all others REAL things...we shut up and buy ring tone...tell ourself BULLSHITS strong bulls...to stay in peace with ourself.

Magic exists. We cannot develop anything without the knowledge of the real DNA activation and all the other real things.
We shut up and buy ring tones, tell ourselves bullshits, strong bullshit, to stay at peace with ourselves.

I hope this translation is reasonably accurate.
Mort
in Just left of centre
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 | 06:49 AM
Oh my Lord. Can there still be people on this planet who believe in rubbish like this? The reason why we have redundant DNA is not that we evolved from "Psychic Super-men" but because we don't need gills, flippers etc, i.e the features that our evfolutionary predecessors USED TO USE. Neanderthal Man was not Psychic i'm sure otherwise he wouldn't have died out in the first place!!!!
mich
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 | 07:46 PM
For all the sceptics out there!
DNA activation is defineatly not about the money!!!! Over the last three years I have been on two seperate DNA wknd workshops. They have been life changing without a doubt!!!!& I hope that many more of us will be drawn to this. You can sit there at your computor & read all about it, then reply with negativity if you want, but where is that getting you? If you want to make change / follow your lifes path /journey, whatever you want to call it, attending a DNA workshop is a good start!If your worried about the money don't be (By the time you have had your 6 -12 strands reactivated, you wont have any money issues!I would recommend you did the course through someone reputable / word of mouth.This is serious shit! Not bullshit!It's more a life investment for your future life! Only this is not for the faint hearted.... Be prepared for some grunty changes in all aspects of your life. The only catch is... if you dont put what you have been gifted to use in your daily lives, then you will not be able to experience the changes at your full potential!!!!It's about remebering who you really are..It's not until after the DNA workshops, that you truely relise what you are capable of! It's absolutely amazing! But it's also about being responsible for your every thought(& be careful here).
You are more sensitive to energy on all levels now, but you have been prepared for this now. As the planet is going through change / it's cycles, we as humans are effected on all levels... Physically, mentally, emotionally & of course spiritually.
So with your souls highest good,you can manifest what you desire in life. IT'S JUST BRILLIANT!
MATT
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 | 08:43 PM
Hi Mich
I know some of the negative people who dont believe anything other than what thier 5 senses show them will probably look at this and maybe have some side comments about this (it's not your falut guys but you will release those barriers that you hold so close one day and realise that this thing you call reality is just your perception of it..
Mate, that's awesome !! I really envy where you are, do you pretty much understand the big picture and are most of the pieces of the puzzle put together ?? If you know what I mean. Can you travel to any dimensions when you want ??
Where did you do the workshops ?? I'm gonna go with Toby but would also like to do more research (obviously done heaps as it as as you do when you're on the journey) and explore my options.
Take care bud
Matt
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 | 08:49 PM
By the way, anyone who doesn't believe in this kind of thing should think about this, what if it is all real and you wasted a lot of opportunity not believing in it ?? I can guarantee that you will come to a point in time whenever that is for each of you on your particular path (maybe in this lifetime, maybe not) that you will realise that this IS in fact all real and the 3rd dimension that you percieve is only one of many and there are many more that are far more amazing than this one.
Ajay Solanki
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 02:10 AM
Swp

This is not war zone. But I have to tell you are absolutely dumb. I think you need to get your facts in place. Dont make claims about things which you dont even have an idea.

Igorance is not bliss in your case its dumb
mich
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 03:15 AM
Hey Matt.. You sound a little frustrated with the sceptics out there. She'll be right mate. Just keep doing what your doing.
In answer though to your Q's: Do I Understand the big picture? & are the peices of puzzle put together??? Well I'm sorry to tell you mate but if anyone already understood the big picture (FULLY) & if the peices of puzzle were already put together, you, I & the many others out there would not be having so much fun finding out where our true potential lies.It all takes time. Some of us have less busy lives & can spend more time working on ourselves than others (& I wish that were me right now, but my challenge in life is keeping me alot busier at the mo which is cool). It's amazing though how after the DNA activations how rapidly change begins, & the best part about it, whatever that change may be, you'll find you treat the circumstances with so much more ease & you just know that you are a different person,& in total control of your being in the way of understanding of yourself & others.Thoughts go through your mind & stuff comes out of your mouth that normally wouldn't have, & you think to yourself...Wicked!!! how did I know that? / where the heck did that come from? I don't remember learning that!
That guy a couple of pages back, Bryan i think his name was. He mentioned how he became this amazing cook after he'd done his DNA course & that he could only ever cook 2 minute noodles! Well a similar thing happened to me...I suddenly became this amazingly quick typist! I took typing when I was 13 for about 1 term, then dropped out because the teacher had this huge wooden ruler she'd SMACK on the desks! I'd love to go & Smack a ruler on her desk & tell her where I learnt to type!And that's not all I've learn't / should I say re-learnt! but I've already dribbled on enough.
I did my DNA here in New Zealand with 43 other people (Funny that! 44 of us!)at a wknd retreat with an amazing lady called Judy Humpries. She also had another amazingly beautiful person facilitating the workshop called Philip Gruber. He is from the USA & youll find him on the net under "The harmonic concordance" (An amazing man!)
Judy, however is currently holding workshops in the USA at the moment.Look Judy up http://www.seventhray.co.nz
I hope that answered your questions Matt. I looked up Toby on the web & from what I read I pretty much understood that I have done with Judy. He seems legit mate! Go with your gut! If it feels right then go hard!!! After your've done the course his 400 bucks will seem like nothing!Best of luck & keep us informed.
mich
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 03:31 AM
Hey Ajay... you know how you quoted
" ignorance is not bliss in your case it's dumb"
well.. think about what you've said, then.... eat your words buddy!
with love though, as this is not a war zone!
lina
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 06:01 AM
ok...there is so much arguing about this here, so much animosity! what i think is that if you do not believe in it, fine because it wouldn't help you in the first place and stop writing hate comments to the believers, spend time doing what you believe is right...for everyone else i wrote earlier about this im a high school student and have had strange "feelings" about life-- people tell me its purely an adolescent thing but i know for a fact that it is not...i feel as if i see another side to the world but cannot seem to control myself and need to learn how to becasue i feel i have the potential to do so...to me, life is fully a perception and that scares me but at the same time makes me wonder what comes next and what it really is...can anyone help me?---the way i see everything is that "life is but a dream"
Erebos
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 08:26 AM
Speaking as a Gamma-8, I can only say that you should save your money and wait for the real thing. These low-level courses only concern themselves with the glitter and sparkle of human awakening, and miss the grand vistas of human potential in the process. It is as if you had gone to swim through oceans, but only paddled on the seashore.

My own awakening was through a much more powerful process; one that is given freely, but at the moment is by invitation only. The effects are beyond remarkable and beyond description, they are the 11th dimension to your flatland minds. The shallowest effects I can convey are; complete mental control of every aspect of my physiology, perfect recall, 50/20 vision with UV and NIR sensitivity, and much, much more.

I am all I can be. And it is not enough.

My ascension is limited by the immutable resume of past abuses, and by the inherent degeneracy of my Y chromosome. Fortunately, I was in a position to sire a daughter (yes, I can control that too) with the full Gamma-9 potential. She spoke her first words at seven weeks, and now, at age three, is easily an equal to the average adult.

She and the other Gamma-9s will clear the way for an enlightened humanity to expand beyond nations, beyond our planet, perhaps even beyond our galaxy. The resources we need to achieve this are being made ready even as I type this. The first of the
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 08:31 AM
WHOA. Someone get a squirrel in here, b/c you ARE NUTS.
Erebos
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 09:06 AM
Uncomprehending, the ant makes tracks in the sand at my feet. Am I supposed to be threatened? Insulted? Should I even be interested?

Perhaps just a little. Perhaps enough to tell it what I can see beyond its limited horizons.

Little ant, the kettle is coming.
Citizen Premier
in spite of public outcry
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 09:16 AM
You sound like the Red Dragon:

I am the Dragon. / And you call me insane. / You are privy to a great becoming, but you recognize nothing. / You are an ant in the afterbirth. / It is your nature to do one thing correctly. / Before me, you rightly tremble. / But, fear is not what you owe me. / You owe me awe.
Erebos
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 09:41 AM
I'm sure anthropophagy is not a technique by which you ascend to hyperconciousness. 😊

Besides, isn't there a healthy, vegatarian substitute available nowadays?
MATT
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 03:51 PM
Hi Mich, thanks a lot for that mate, yep, you answered all my questions, are you in NZ ?? So am I, would be keen to catch up, I love surrounding myself with like minded people about all this and learing as much as I can. Let me know bud. And, sorry to anyone if I sounded frustrated, etc about the skeptics, I really didn't mean any anomosity or anything by that, what I said is all true tho, I was sincere when I said it wasnt people's faults that they dont believe it, etc. I wasnt being sarcastic or anything like that. Erebos, what you started talking about sounds very interesting to say the least. And, "hyper" concious, that truely sounds something to aspire to. How do I find out more about what you started to touch on ??
Erebos
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 04:27 PM
All the clues are there, perhaps even too many.

Research and insight will bring you to the attention of someone who can invite you on-board. Just follow the white rabbit, as the saying goes.

Oh, and remember to take the red pill! 😉
Citizen Premier
in spite of public outcry
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 04:40 PM
This forum sure does draw some interesting people.
Erebos
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 04:58 PM
Perhaps because we are living in 'interesting times'? See you after the primary phase...

Or maybe not.
:zip:
mich
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 09:09 PM
Most Excellent!!!
Exciting times indeed!!!
Matt, if you would like to speak with or find out where to socialise & meet like-minded people, I attend a few evenings here & there in Akl. & have some great ideas for you to be able to possibly find what you're looking for.
There is an "abundance" of people of like-minds in this awesome country of ours. You just need to do a bit more visualising mate... It's all there waiting, so get out there!
I'm not keen on leaving my email address here, but if your keen to leave yours / yr Ph No; then I can contact you.
MATT
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 | 11:10 PM
Hi Mich and Erebos
Thanks for that Erebos, I'm piecing the pieces of puzzle together, hopefully I'll get to where you're talking about at some stage.
Mich, that sounds awesome mate, I'm in Auckland too. Good to sense that patriotism in your text too, New Zealand's an awesome country alrite !! I'm not overly keen on leaving my email address and that on here either to be honest but I feel like it will definitely be worth it to get in contact with you so what I'll do is put my work number down, I work from 8:30 - 5, M - F and the number is <b>*edited*</b>, just ask for me when you call cos I don't have a direct line. Look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks to you both and take care.
lina
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 | 09:50 AM
Erebos, I am very interested in what you have to say. Maybe you will be able to help me out. I also have some strange coincidences to share which can be interpreted as one would like...The "indigo" children I have read have all had a similar "vision" of a waning of the world or a sort of catastrophe in about 5-6 years. I was a skeptic at first, but then I began to collect more information. According to astronomers, the grids of the universe or at least of our galaxy are said to shift in about 5-6 years. On a more local note, it is said that in 5-6 years the global economy will deteriorate or greatly crash due to the very high oil prices. There were also some other rather negative coincidences for the same time period. If you think a out it our "civilization" is no better than Soddom and Gomorrah and who knows, maybe the Bible has some truth to it after all...
MATT
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 | 04:34 PM
Hi Mich, wasn't gonna put my own number on this but then I thought, who cares really, be worth it to touch base. So, if you ring me after work hours, my mob is <b>*edited*</b>, hopefully hear from ya soon.
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 | 04:46 PM
Not putting your own number on a random forum is just common sense.
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