The Museum of Hoaxes
DNA Perfection ??
Posted By:
Archana Padhye
Jun 28, 2004
 A site by Toby Alexander :
http://www.dnaperfection.com

claims about something like remote DNA Activation!! I searched web about the authenticity about the said things but could find nothing!

Can anybody throw light upon ?

Thanks.
Category: Scams; Replies: 394

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harold reed
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 | 12:56 PM
I'm sure that you really don't believe that it works. there is no way you can activate your DNA. You said something about Jesus on your site. Isn't it just possible that God would make himself that way. Who in your group of people are healing the sick, or making the blind see. this life sucks , there is no way you can actually prove that the DNA IS ACTIVATED. Tl be honest I wish that what you do was real, but it isn't life will stay the same and people like you will claim that you can do something about.

Gladius Lion

P.S. Do names mean anything to you.
harold reed
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 | 01:00 PM
Life doesn't care about me no more than it cares about you, but you're not infected like me, and i want to know why?
keith alban
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 | 01:45 AM
Hey Archana,
Don't listen to the guy who first responded. I have done much researc into dna activation and it is a very real and new gift. A new level in consciousness. You can read tons about this if you want to. Toby Alexander among many others have done this with amaazing results. I promise I am not trying to promote and sell anything by this message. ONLY TRUTH. --Keith
Email back if you want .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Archana Padhye
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 | 04:12 AM
Hi Keith,

But what about the charges etc. mentioned on the site? 100$ is much more! And what is emphasized is the predicting jackpot, sort of stuff!! Of course some serious matters are expected to be discussed if someone has been elevated to higher plane !! Don't you think so, Keith?
Alex
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 | 12:52 PM
Hi Keith, do you know anyone who has tried the DNA activation, I was just hoping to hear how they felt.
Sal
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 | 03:39 PM
I have received a DNA activation from Marlana (http://www.marlana.org) recently and the energy is very powerful and you can feel that an energetic change has taken place. I highly recommend a DNA activation for all those interested in advancing their spiritual growth.
Zannie
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 | 12:02 PM
check out www.thetahealing.com
Vianna Stibal has helped people heal of serious problems

and there is a book..change your dna change your life

Zannie
Toby Alexander
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 | 06:30 PM
Hi All,

Yes, I can throw some light upon this as I am the author and practitioner. If you do a search on Google for "DNA Activation", you will see that there are 8560 hits - so, I'm not the only one doing this and if you do the research or even have a session, you will find out quickly that this is not a "hoax". But you have to EXPERIENCE it first.

It does take a certain level of consciousness to understand this and the information on my web site is at such a high frequency that only people with a 6 strand activation already(Indigo children) can even comprehend the information and "get" this. Trying to explain it to someone who does not have this level of DNA activation is like trying to explain to your great grandmother how we managed to land on the moon.... they just won't get it. It's like walking into a PhD level quantum physics class without having any of the pre-requisites.

For those of you just starting to learn about these things, I recommend that you get some knowledge for your mental body first, to help integrate the information. It took me 3 years of research to prove to myself that DNA activation was for real so I actually respect some healthy skepticism, as long as the person does their homework.

These days, DNA activation is becoming mainstream and I have done dozens of sessions for medical doctors, scientists, and even geneticists to "prove" to them that it works.

There is a lot of information on my website that explains DNA activation, distant healing, and remote viewing but some other sources for this would be:

The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot
Energy Medicine by Dr. James Oschman
Vibrational Medicine by Gerber, M.D.
Voyagers II by Ashayana Deane

http://www.dnaperfection.com

http://www.azuritepress.com

http://www.probablefuture.com

Hope this information helps you on your journey.

Best loving regards,
Toby
charles
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 | 10:54 PM
Toby, I cannot believe this. You cannot simply say, "you cannot concieve of this product without buying it. Your ploy is so obvious."
If you were actually in touch with GOD, the ultimate truth, why would you care about making money. Dont give me the its all for the people spew, I dont buy it.
Spirituality cannot be bought period. What you are doing is horrible and playing on peoples inner desire to be special.
Now, I believe in astral projection/remote viewing, and reiki. However what you are doing is claiming to slop all of this together along with some pseudo science bullshit and sell it as gold.
Its not gold, its shit. you are a shit peddler
James
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 | 10:35 PM
You don't know what you're talking about, Charles. You can't see past what you limit yourself to believing. You judge without doing adequate research on this particular topic. Until you do research DNA activation, don't talk shit about the concept, as it is a very promising one. Plus, wtf would anyone do so much research on a complex scientific topic just to make some pocket change?
charles
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 | 01:11 AM
James, Well I will research more. However I already have reserached the topics that "DNA activation" is made up of for a couple years, albeit casually. I do know what I'm talking about.
If a salesman says you cant comprehend anything about a product unless you buy it, its a scam. Anyone can claim to have done years of research, does that make it true? well I guess everything I read online is true.
Do you even know what concepts make up "DNA activation", do not judge unless you are fit to do so James.
Mitch K.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 | 11:27 PM
Hello Everyone!

I can see very opposing views here, regarding DNA Activation, in general, and particularly DNA Perfection offered by Toby Alexander, whether it is a Hoax or not.

Well, I've just happened to "experience" it, through a series of four sessions bought from Toby Alexander at dnaperfection.com, and I'm really disappointed with it.

That would be all for tonight (as I came late from work). I'll come back on this weekend, latest on Sunday, and write more about my experience. It's going be more in line with what Charles posted on this forum, save the rough wording.
Alex
Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 | 08:20 PM
Hi, Mitch, it really didn
Terry Austin
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 | 02:50 PM
Toby: If you can actually demonstrate any objective claim, you can collect $1,000,000 from James Randi. You really should check out http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

Seeing your name in his weekly commentary as someone who is willing to submit his claims to objective testing would go a long way towards convincing me.

Refusing to do so would go a long way towards convincing me, too, but not that you're legit.
Mitch K.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 | 04:12 AM
Hello Everyone!

OK, I'm back. First, I would like to thank Archana, for starting this forum.
Likewise, I was looking for some information on the subject, other than described in advertisements, and could find virtually nothing. Hence this post, I've just felt obligated to share my experience with others.

And, addressing your inquiry, Alex. Oh no, on the contrary, it worked very well !
It's just that ...my lower self does not allow to receive the information from my Higher self and allow the changes to flow down, Toby Alexander explained to me, blaming my attitude, which creates my reality, period. So, he refused to issue me a refund.
I hope this has answered your questions. You will find more, further in this text.

Before I'll continue with explaining what caused my disappointment with services offered by Toby Alexander, I'd like to state , that it is not my intention to prevent anybody from actually trying it by himself or herself, as it is the only way to learn about it, by personal experience.
It would be very interesting to hear from others about their results.

Now, time for my story, which I call: "The Emperor's New Clothes Reloaded". 😉
Those who are familiar with the classic fable by Hans Christian Andersen: "The Emperor's New Clothes", know well what I mean. A very good description of it, as a metaphor, with further links, can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor's_New_Clothes_(fable) It's worth reading.
I find it quite analogous to my experience with activating invisible strands of DNA.

Initially, being cautious, I bought one session only, called Auric Clearing. I had it after waiting for around a month. Even though, there was nothing of the "High" during the session, after receiving a report convincing that it "went great", I decided to order the three remaining sessions, being glad there were no side effects, and reporting in my email reply that I had not built a resistance to the process, viewing this as a positive sign.
So, I waited another month for a series of three sessions scheduled a week apart, one from the other. First I had my Karma Removal session for which I was not able to get into a relaxed state, after having a rough time, shortly before the designated hour, so I was very concerned about the results, how much this affected the process. However, according to the received report it "went very well".
Next I had DNA Activation 1, which also "went very well", I could read in the report. And finally DNA Activation 2, for which I was little prepared, but that didn't really matter, because in the following report, what I found, was the usual opening statement that it "went very well".

Regardless of how well prepared I was, or how I felt during the sessions and after, everything "went well". All this (plus two questionable references in the reports) made me quite skeptical about the validity of the DNA Activation process facilitated by Toby Alexander. So, after receiving my final report describing that it "was truly an AWESOME session", I said to myself this can't be true, and sent an email to Toby Alexander seriously questioning his services and asked for a refund.
But, there is a big BUT, as he has a way out. In a reply he wrote that he connected to my Higher self and was told that I am Indigo type 3, which means two souls in one body, and that the one kind called Nephilim is responsible for sabotaging the process...
"Interesting discovery, just in time!", was my response. Obviously, I questioned his professionalism, as he failed to make this "discovery" at the beginning, or after given a clear clue about potential problem, while stating that all four sessions "went very well"...

* * * * *
There is a little bit more to write, but I have to brake here. I'll be back.
mk
Nick
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 | 05:07 PM
crazy hippies.....
Mitch K.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 | 08:04 PM
+ + +

Hello again!

This is continuation of my previous post.

I left writing describing my questioning Toby Alexander's professionalism.

Beside the revelation about me being an Indigo type 3, I was taught that I can't expect to get the conscious benefit from those sessions without doing the required pre-session instructions (the MAHARIC SEAL), and that his job is not fixing me. What Toby does, is described in the following excerpt:
"And by the way, when I do a session, I am reading your Soul Matrix, which is composed of ALL of your incarnate selves currently in density, which includes past life selves. Most of the things that I do in a session are to remove the blockages and karmic miasms that you accumulate in PAST lives. So if something doesn't appear to apply to your CURRENT life memory and conscious ego and personality, then that is why. Another thing is, it is not the REPORT that is really important, it is the energy work that I do in the session that is. The report is just for your conscious mind to understand about how karma and DNA work, and what were the things holding you back.
And lastly, the changes from these sessions don't just happen overnight. They happen throughout your entire lifetime."

Well, does this look like a holistic approach, meaning taking care of the whole?

And now, a word regarding the required MAHARIC SEAL technique, sent as pre-session instructions for DNA Activation 2.
For those interested working with Toby Alexander, I recommend to check first what is actually involved, by taking a look here: http://www.azuritepress.com/Maharic.htm plus: http://www.azuritepress.com/attitudes_responsibilities.html
Exactly the same content (in a 10-page Word Document format) I was sent only a week before the session.
In my opinion, potential clients should be introduced to this esoteric body of information beforehand, and asked if they feel comfortable with it.
On a side note, I wonder if Azurite Press actually gives their consent for the Maharic Seal technique to be used in that manner. After all, it's a Copy Righted material.

For the closing, a suggestion for Alex. Why not check first services offered at: http://www.soulwisdom.net/ where Toby Alexander received his training? You can get an Auric Clearing for less. It's a bargain! 😉
charles
Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 | 03:19 AM
Hey Mitch,
I really appreciate the information. Sorry that it appears that atleast your current self did not benefit from the treatments. You were a little nicer than I was, which probally got the message across better. I apologize if I offended anyone, its just how I felt at the time. It just bothers me how people, such as toby can hussle people who want more spiritual lives..for those who wish to expierience more spiritual lives, I would advocate meditation. Also Astral Projection seems to work for some, theres a great book on it by Robert Bruce. Hes a pretty major authority on the subject.
BugbearSloth
Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 | 06:33 AM
Mitch: How do these "sessions" take place? I'm assuming that they are done "remotely", since you are getting email reports back. Have you ever met Toby?
Mitch K
Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 | 12:48 PM
Hi Charles, Hi BugbearSloth,

Charles, rest assured, I did not find offending, the way you expressed your feelings. As long as, being angry you sin not, you are just fine.
And, about benefitting from "DNA Perfection" services, I don't regard it as a total loss. For me it has been a life lesson (a repeated one), that there are no shortcuts on the spiritual path. Instead it is a step by step, inch by inch process.
The real change comes from within, not without, we are reminded over and over again.

And, addressing your question BugbearSloth, you're correct, it is done remotely.
As I learned from Toby Alexander, he had a meeting with my Higher Self. However, my lower self missed the meeting, not being able to get there, without mastering the required MAHARIC SEAL technique (see my previous post for referenced).
BugbearSloth
Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 | 01:16 PM
Did Toby arrange for a specific time to conduct these sessions? Was all of this done via email? Telephone?
Mitch K
Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 | 01:26 PM
Yes, there were specific hours as starting points for each session. All communication was via email.
Mitch K
Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 | 01:31 PM
Just for clarity, I got my reports few days after sessions. There's no emailing during the sessions.
no name
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 04:58 AM
mine did not work after 4 session few months later
no name
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 | 05:57 AM
For mitch K
mitch for alot of reason i am not going to mention my name.

I tried the sessions with Toby does your report says please let me know how you feel.

When you do tell him he ignores you he gets out of it he uses scientific terminologies which he probably thinks some of us do not understand.
I think he is completely disrespectful by not giving the money back . Igot the same thing too it is energy work more important. Funny now he is doing free sessions since people has question him about his fees. So mitch your sesssion went well and awsome how funny so did mine . Toby Alexnander does not know what is Compassion what is genuine love what is respect he need to go back to basic if any one get their money back please let no name Know
BugbearSloth
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 | 06:22 AM
Toby reminds me of the legendary "snake oil salesmen" of the nineteenth century. The short of it is that there is no quick and easy path to enlightenment. Anyone who tells you that there is, and then tries to sell it to you, probably isn't on the up and up.
Mitch K
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 | 05:43 PM
Hello!

Yes, BugbearSloth, there's just nothing new under the sun, is there?

And, dear "No Name", I very much appreciate your post. It's good to know that I'm not the only one questioning Toby Alexander's services.
Regarding the reports, of course, the same closing sentence was included. You may be interested in comparing your reports with texts posted on the web by someone else, under name Ming Chen:
http://mingchen.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_mingchen_archive.html

Also, you may be interested in taking a look at another post, which tells a lot about Toby Alexander's frame of mind, where he revealed the following:
"I laugh when people say 'the universe' frowns on using Remote Viewing for monetary purposes. The universe is YOU, and if you believe that, you will see that manifested. If you need help in any gambling ventures or would like a pre-Vegas Auric Clearing or DNA Activation before you go, please send me an e-mail.
Best regards, Toby Alexander"

The full thread can be found here: http://grillflame.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=229&highlight=
(Once at Grillflame.com you may find more about Toby Alexander by doing a search. You don't need to be a member. In "Search for Author" box, type: alchemist. You'll get 28 matches.)

About Compassion, one may wonder if there is actually a room for such thing in Toby Alexander's universe?
no name
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 | 06:17 AM
Hey Mitch no name here

here is a joke for you

what on the holographically speaking and what on the scalar waves manner is this toby
ha ha ha
no name
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 | 06:25 AM
Hi mitch
Just read that report on ming chen
did you laugh Mitch
What goes around comes around law of karma laws of physics

I read some where on that azurite site that no one has 12 dna strands fully activated

who in the hell is he to tell you you are type 3 indigo
Lothar Ignatius
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 | 09:56 AM
Alex,

I was curious as to how many of these posts are coming from the same IP addresses. The skeptic in me finds it hard to beleive that there are this many people on this board that have tried this laughable technique...
The Curator
in San Diego
 Member
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 | 10:34 AM
Lothar, every person who's posted on this thread has a unique ip address. Though, of course, one person could use a different computer, or their server could be assigning them a different ip address whenever they log on. But based on what I can see, everything looks legitimate.
Joe
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 | 10:34 AM
Laughable indeed...

sounds like quite the load of bull to me. sounds to me like a 100 bucks for some messed up massage or something.
mocha
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 | 05:22 AM
This message is for Toby Alexander
can some one relate this to him for me please.#

I am genuine I live in the UK I tried Toby's technique in July I did the aura karma dna 1 and 2.
I am very disappointed in myself for falling for this .

I am requesting my money back please TOby Alexander. IN the name of love and respect i wrote to you stating my situation i am a single parent mother with my daughter i told you clearly I was not working when i first wrote to you ref aura and karma . I told you i had financial diffulculties lack of funds etc. You told me don't worry as we go along you will be able to manifest easier.

THe thing i wonder if you can have an open heart and to understand my situation and to have some respect and compassion here that you took money lots of it $600 in total you never once offered me a free session or even a reduce rate or even worked out something that i can afford. In August i did tell you that the credit card money was for my daughters school uniform and the winter clothes which you never cared about .
You never had the dignity respect or kindness to do any session for free or to really assist me.
IN your report you mention tell me how you feel

I waited 3 months since the sessions i am telling i get lots of headaches i have been expressing to you that how i have been feeling nicely and kindly but you ignore my emails where is your respect
I thought yOU took this seriously helping the planet etc. how come you are not taking what iam saying seriously . I can go on and write more here we both know that my dna was already activated I am the most genuine compassionate loving person here which something you don't display at all.
Toby how could you take money from me and that was my daughter's school uniform clothes my rent money. You know the situation well.
YOu forgot my karma session you did not have any kindness in you to even offer a session for free you just booked me anothe session.
Iread ming chien report let's i am going to keep some respect for you. Please do not insult my intelligence with your report.
Please kindly respectfully with grace return me my karma session money my dna act money .
You can keep the aura session for me and my daughter. I really trusted you with all my heart, i genuinely sent you loads of blessings and love and i still do. Please understand how i feel understand that your session did not work for me it might for other people and to please have some kindness and respect for my financial situation and the fact I am a single parent mother i don't get child support cause of domestic violence which you already knew.
So Toby find it in you and be a bigger person here and please return my money SH in London you know my email you know my credit card through pay pal . This was not fair on me at all
mocha
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 | 05:31 AM
I read all the above i read Mitch K message about report for ming chen and grill flame.com

Truthfully i am really disappointed in myself for falling for this. Toby please do not insult any further i do no want to hear from you i just want my money back. Ingido or not indigo you have no right to take advantage of people like that. You disgust me Toby preaching all this ascension and all this dna and all this planetary ascension how you care about people this is so important to you .
You clearly did not display that to me.
I told you in 3 emails i am getting lots of heaaches since the session and the other symptoms have not change. Plus you karma session did not work .
Because i am telling you nicely you think it is kind to ignore what i am saying after you took and i paid for my session. You are really mean and unkind to ignore peoples feelings after I have paid for my session. May be you can find it in your heart to be genuine and kind for once .
mocha
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 | 05:35 AM
Can somebody email toby tell him i am requesting for my money back and that it is unfair to take money from some one who is not working who is one parent mother and have no financial back up support.

Can you guys support me in this please all i am requesting and asking nicely is for my money or at least half of it thank you

Blessings to all of you
mocha
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 | 05:37 AM
Lothar i am very genuine here why would any one be making this up no trust me i am very genuine here
Toby Alexander
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 | 10:05 AM
Hello Sohera Hassenally and Mitch Kaldunski,

After reading both of your posts here, I can't say how sorry I am for your perception of experience from the sessions we did together. I am going to refund your money for your sessions ASAP.

I truly wish you both all of the best and if money were not involved here, I believe that your perceptions of the sessions would be different. So I should have realized the situation before I did your sessions and done them for free.

Some people will block themselves from receiving help no matter what type of person they are seeking it from, whether it be a doctor, psychologist, friend, parent, or spouse. I'm sure that everyone reading this knows people like this. My practice is dedicated to helping you help yourself and FACILITATING as much as possible for you in the sessions. For some people, in 4 sessions, they make incredible changes and really take off in their life. All of the testimonials on my site are cut and pasted directly from my e-mail with no changes in spelling, etc, so you can see this.

For others, it takes more work on both ends to make progress. This is because everyone is different and everyone is at their own individual stage of spiritual development.

The main problem that we have is that people cannot communicate with their Higher selves. If this wasn't a problem, then everyone here could ask their Higher self, find out that the work I am doing IS genuine, and then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Sincerely,
Toby
BugbearSloth
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 | 08:26 PM
Toby:

I will not believe that your work IS genuine until you take up the Great Randi's challenge and win the $1,000,000.00 US prize.

http://www.randi.org/

Sincerely,

BugbearSloth
Mitch K
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 | 08:35 PM
Hello Toby Alexander,

So, all you can think of is money? If, this is truly what you had perceived after reading MY posts, then, I am sorry, too.

Yet, while not addressing any of the main concerns brought by me regarding your practice, you have just added one more, instead.

This time, beside your professionalism, I must question your ethics as well.
As a practitioner, who holds a Soul Wisdom Psyche Doctor(PsD) title, are you allowed to publish the names of your clients without asking for a permission to do so?
Are the concepts of confidentiality and trust another strangers in the universe of your making?

Truly, you need to examine your intentions, how genuine they are.
sohera
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 04:46 AM
Dear Toby

In regards to your work , i am not questioning about your work my only discrepancies was why did you charge me so much after i explained to you my situation.
why did you not since you claim you honor people's worth did not make any allowance for me.

As far as the type of work you i do not quesiton wheter there are people on the planet that can do this you know i have been practicing since early age on and off . The books I read is the same you read .
My only question with you if you truly truly in your heart knew my situation why did you charge full price . Why did you ignore when i told you about the symptoms i was having 3months after your work. Toby if you truly saw in my heart you know i am much for the whole planetary thing the spirituality the whole thing genuinely if i did not understand certain aspect of your work given the level iam at does that give you a reason to ignore me and YOU are suppose to be above all these so why be unkind and disrespectful. I too wish you all the best in life .May the Source be with you .
please refund full amount that $600 thank you

Mitch many blessings to you stay a JEdi on your path
sohera
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 04:51 AM
Toby thank you for addressing my whole name which again shows your character .
Please refund the whole full amount please
sohera
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 04:55 AM
Mitch K and everyone here wishing you all a peaceful xmas
Mitch this is mocha so i wish you the best on your path watch star wars stay a jedi do not let Darth Vader get to you
May the source be with Love to all of you
sohera
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 05:32 AM
just having fun and a laugh with the star wars thing
trying to see the funny side of life and spirituality.
Lothar Ignatius
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 10:20 AM
To all people considering Toby Alexander's DNA PERFECTION technique.

I have developed a technique that has been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN to be 200% more effective in releasing the potential of your DNA. I am offering remote viewing sessions for merely 50% of what Toby charges.

So why not waste your money on my system instead? Email me for details!
Sohera
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 10:51 AM
Toby Alexander

I am damn fed up with being as nice as kind as i have been

Stop insulting me you refunded $200 dollars only
First the sum is $ 600
Secondly i live in the UK when you exchange $200 in sterling i can not do anything with that.
I am not in Rio where the dollars worth a lot i am in a develop country where standard of living and cost is high
Please have some courtesy and some peace inside of you and refund me the total of $600 or $400 max.

Your karma session did not work it claims to remove all food addiction well actually i drink more tea and sugar than ever 4 months later.
YOu did not address any of my issues or answered my questions Karma Dna 1 and 2 plus one customise that is 400 dollars all together and aura x2 that is an extra 200.
Toby ask your higher self find some acceptance that what iam saying here is my truth my experience with you. Do not insult me with 200 dollars that was my money after all please give back 200 more or the whole 400 i am not some cheap family in a shanty town in rio in brazil that will be insulted like this stop being a bastard and give me my money back
Sohera
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 10:52 AM
can someone send him the message above i refuse to email him directly
Sohera
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 10:55 AM
Toby shut up and stop going on about higher self and lower self sound like the ego is alive and well in you and causing stress and unhappiness all the way in the UK
Maegan
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 01:33 PM
If you refuse to email him directly...what the hell did you expect?
Toby Alexander
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 05:50 PM
After reading these last posts, I thought I might actually use this space to show the people here an example of something. What she is demonstrating here is the classic "victim consciousness". Most people here I'm sure can see this. It is actually called the victim-persecutor complex. When someone adopts this conscious attitude, they blame everyone and everything for their own thoughts and manifestations and when the person they are seeking help from doesn't help them, they lash out and become the persecutor. Thoughts and words are mathematical programs and will manifest. This is why I send out the Attitudes and Responsibilities. And I even sent a special e-mail about #3 to her when I recognized she was holding on to this consciousness.

"Self Containment: Taking personal responsibility for, and realizing that at all times you are accountable for, DIRECTING PERSONAL ENERGIES. There is no one or no thing that "upsets you" and thus justifies or validates ANY personal spiritual misuse of reaction, idea, intention or action; YOU "upset yourself" by allowing the emotional body to follow misperceptions of the mental body that tell you your power lies outside of yourself. At any moment you can CHOOSE what words, associations and ideas you will use as the filters through which you interpret an event. "UPSET", "MAD", HURT" or any other category of labeling (conscious or subconscious) are all MENTAL BODY FILTERS that direct emotional and physical body function. The self contained individual recognizes that at all times the freedom of interpretation exists, and thus a "negative" experience and its associated dis-harmonic energies of "upset" feelings can only exist as a personal interpretation of events. Accepting any less responsibility for the direction of personal energies will place you directly into the Victim-Victimizer "Blame Game", which can only take place among people who are placing their personal power and responsibility for manifestation onto externalized sources. Only you have the power to "upset yourself"; regardless of what others say or do, you are fully entitled to your own interpretation. No one and no thing has the power to upset you unless you give this power away. Self containment comes when one recognizes that the direction of personal energies--physical, emotional and mental (ideas, beliefs, labels, interpretations), conscious and subconscious, is an attainable level of personal master and exists as an implied responsibility that comes with the gift of free will choice. The more responsible you become, the greater freedom and personal empowerment you will know"

Sohera, I sent you an e-mail to try to make peace with you so please read it.

Mitch, regarding you questioning my professionalism, let me ask you this. Is it professional or ethical to ask for a full refund for 4 sessions just 2 days after your session without even doing the pre-session instructions? Do you think the effects from the DNA activations just happen overnight? You already had your mind made up that you were going to request a refund before we even completed the sessions. So you not only got free DNA activations, you then went to this site and then basically tried to ruin my reputation and attack my character. Another example of the victim consciousness. And I believe if you are going to say something to someone, especially attack their character when you don't even know the person, you should at least sign your name.

There will always be resistance to any work that tries to advance mankind and this website is a prime example of this.

All love,
Toby
Hairy Houdini
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 06:52 PM
I would like to suggest that we set up a meeting between Toby Alexander and Cynthia Butler... I would honestly pay to see that
Mitch K
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 08:34 PM
Dear Toby!

And who is actually displaying a victim consciousness here?
Just re-read carefully your own message, especially the last sentence. It almost sounds like you are a victim of some sort of conspiracy.

I'm not a psychologist, but what I see, you obviously have a problem with SELF-REFLECTION.
That's why some other-self must reflect that to your-self.

Think on that.

Mitch Kaldunski
BugbearSloth
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 09:25 PM
Ha ha ha, Hairy! Contact HBO and have them set it up on pay-per-view. I'd buy a television and get a cable subscription to see that one!

But on a more serious note, here is what I am picking up:

1) Toby has a website offering services.
2) People (aka Mitch and Mocha) contract Toby to perform those services.
3) Without ever having met or even talking to these people, Toby claims to have performed these services (for all I know he could have been chuckling to himself, checking his bank account balance and sipping white zinfandel during the time these "services" were performed).
4) Toby claims that he is interfacing with these peoples' "soul matrix" (wtf?) and "activating their ten extra strands of dna" that were somehow missed by the entire scientific community.
5) Some people complain that Toby's services were ineffective and ask for refunds.
6) Toby does not give refunds.
7) Some people post Toby's business practices on a hoax site as a warning to others.
8) As soon as the post goes up, Toby submits a post to defend his "honor".
9) Other posts go up that cast Toby in a negative light.
10) Toby relents and claims to have refunded some money to some people (Mitch and Mocha? Are his claims true?). It would appear that he is trying to buy off his detractors.
11) Even though Toby made resititution, some people still question Toby's character and ethics.
12) Toby responds with the old "victim becomes persecutor of the original persecutor" paradigm, but takes it to the next level with the old "persecutor becomes the victim of the victim who was persecuted by the original persecutor who is now the victim" paradigm.

Of course, Toby has not responded to the Great Randi's challenge ( www.randi.org ), nor has he mentioned it in any of his posts. Until he does, I will consider his character and ethics questionable.
Hairy Houdini
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 09:55 PM
Bug: I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who doesn't watch TV... I haven't since 1991... I would though, as you say, for a Toby-Cynthia CelWebrity Death Match... then I'd toss out that idiot box as quick as you can say "persecutor-paradigm", which I can't, by the way... chrysthanthamum, neither
BugbearSloth
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 | 11:35 PM
Hairy! Your last post was a damned good laugh!

Truth be told, though, I hadn't owned a television set since 1987 until last week. You see, my nephew moved in with me several months back because he is going to university nearby my abode. I always watched movies on DVD on my computer. But then my nephew AND his friends HAD to watch movies with me. So here we all are, me and a bunch of teenagers, awkward and all in my bedroom watching movies and I need to sleep and whatnot (being very, very old and such). So I bought a television set and a DVD player with surround sound. Now we (or they, whatever) can watch movies and I can get some sleep. Plus, he has some sort of Nintendo whatnotamajig (try pronouncing that), so it works out rather well.

Technically, it is the lad's television set. It is his "Christmas present", preciousssssss.
Hairy Houdini
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 | 12:59 AM
I should clarify: I do watch films on my TV, but I haven't had a cable connection for commercial television since 1991- the first Gulf War turned me off, pretty much... that, and the fact that I moved to a really rural area of Pa- I'm up in the mountains, and I can't even get a broadcast TV signal, not unless I had an antenna tower. I don't get nat. gas, elec only... I heat by wood... now, I could have gotten a sattelite dish, but again, I have no interest in commercial TV. (SEGQUE) Living up here has altered my DNA for the better, I'll tell you, and I didn't even have to use Toby's services
Mitch K
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 | 11:04 PM
Hello there!

This is an update of my Dec.01, 04 post, found on page 2.

As I have just discovered, there has been a recent, and significant change in Toby Alexander's (aka alchemist) frame of mind or should I say...mood.
If you visit the Grillflame forum (link still works), you will not find the word "LAUGH" in his post any longer, nor anything regarding "gambling ventures", as a matter of fact.
Instead, visitors are given a short but very serious discourse on Judgment vs Love. :-|

The link is as follows: http://grillflame.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=229&highlight=

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By the way, BugbearSloth, I've liked your 12-point summary. Nicely done, thank you!
Plus, Houdini and you got me curious about mysterious Cynthia Butler. When I found out, I laughed, and laughed, and still do. 😊)

Mitch
Sohera
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 | 05:34 AM
Dear everyone on this site,

Last night after some reflection i decided to make this my last post with a sincere apology to Toby Alexander

THis question came in my head an inquiry
Sohera would you rather be right or Free
WOuld you rarher be in stress or Peace.

I would to say that i take back everysingle thing i said about toby alexander
Most of all for calling him a bad name . What i Realised is this none of this contributing to any more peace to the planet at some level the three of us are fighting one another. So i want to remove myself from this form of negativity all this is not helping anyone on their path of evolution.#
IN some respect we are hurting the earth .


As far as Toby Alexanders work is concern I was very new to Dna activitation it was the first time i heard of it or seen that kind of work . All i can say is this is what happened is that i was not ready totally for his work I am unable to integrate what he does.
His work is genuine . He is Genuine i think you have to be ready at some soul level for his work trying to understand it with the rational mind will not work.
I would like to apologise to YOu to YOur heart Toby ALexander if I said anything that was out of line it was wrong and bad to have call you a name i fully take it back in some what continuing in this negativity. For peace sake I would rather be Peace and contribute to Peace.
Wishing everyone here a peaceful Holidays Love Sohera
Sohera
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 | 08:52 AM
With sincere apology To TOBY Alexander and i say it infront of everyone here I am sorry for what i said I take everything back .
Love and Blessings SOheraxxxxxx
Toby Alexander
Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 | 08:00 PM
Thank you Sohera - apology accepted. It was very hard to believe after all the nice e-mails and E-cards you sent me after our sessions. This website vibrates at such a low frequency that it will bring anyone who visits here down.

I can remove blockages, karmic imprints, and activate DNA, but I obviously can't change someone if they don't WANT to change.

I did do a lot of self-reflection on this, not because anyone suggested it, but because I wanted to find out how I, MYSELF, attracted this situation into my holographic reality. I let go of the victim consciousness many lifetimes ago, so I definitely do not feel victimized or get an emotional charge out of any of these posts. But the fact is, being a compassionate person WILL attract you to victims that only want to suck your energy and are not really serious about changing. All healing practitioners know this. I've only had 3 in over 2000 sessions that have requested refunds though, so I am evolving past attracting eternal victims. And I understand that I can't help everyone because some people ENJOY and are actually addicted to their dramas. Most of the people that are drawn to my website have the same frequency, are on the same path and have some psychic abilities already. So if I were not doing their sessions, or if this was a "hoax", they would know it. There's no "B.S." allowed when you have these abilities.

So I opted to use "engaged detachment" to deal with it this situation, rather than just ignore it completely. I know the agenda of the person who started this thread so I'm not surprised by their actions here.

Once again, for those reading this who are considering DNA activation with me or any one of the thousands of other practitioners out there, (interestingly enough, nothing was mentioned of any of them, even though they all do remote DNA activation and are a LOT more well known than I am with published books, etc.), please GO WITHIN and ask your Higher self if this is right for you. You either strongly resonate with this, or not. If you have doubts, are a "skeptic", or are into blaming other people for your current situation, then my practice is not right for you so I urge you to pass. But if you resonate with the information very strongly, have done some spiritual work to get you ready for this, and are willing to do your part, then I can help facilitate this for you.

If you want to learn to activate your own DNA and are willing to spend the time to learn and do the work required on your OWN, then you should just go to http://www.azuritepress.com and start doing the techniques there. It will take you a few years to do this, and much more than $400 in workshops, books and DVD's, but it IS possible.

The real problem here on the planet is that most people cannot hold the frequency of love. Because the flash line sequences and fire letters in their DNA are so distorted and sometimes even running in reverse. And worse, they don't even WANT to improve themselves.

If a person continues to hold on to this type of victim consciousness and does not do what's needed to prepare their body to accrete the frequencies that will be coming into the Earth by 2012, then their body will not be able to go into a state known as MERKABA, and these people will leave the planet, RAPIDLY. And where they will go is a place called Phantom Earth, where they will REALLY get to experience being a victim. This is not MY "prediction" or some "scare tactic" it is just the true meaning of what all of the old, holy books which are now distorted, were originally trying to tell us.

Sincerely,
Toby Alexander
Hairy Houdini
Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 | 08:07 PM
how much for the Brooklyn Bridge, Tobester?
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