Most people think the musician Jim Morrison, lead singer for the
Doors, died in Paris on July 3, 1971. But
Gerald Pitts says that he "discovered Jim Morrison Living on a Ranch in the Pacific Northwest in the summer of 1998." According to him, Morrison is living a quiet life as an American cowboy "away from the Hollywood scene." Even though Morrison evidently engineered an elaborate death hoax to escape publicity, he agreed to appear on film for Pitts. You can buy a copy of this film for only $24.95 (shipping is extra). Pitts' site includes a video comparing the features of Jim Morrison the fifty-something cowboy to Jim Morrison the twenty-something singer. However, no matter how many times I watch the video, I just don't see any similarity.
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WAS JIM MORRISON A SECRET AGENT?
Zack Kopp, a very well known investigative writer and book reviewer from Denver, CO, took the time to review the books Journalist/Author Adriana Rubio wrote on Jim Morrison.
PART 1 FOR THE EXAMINER
As for this ARTS thing, you'd think they would like to have solid footing to walk on before elaborating on half concocted fantasy. But I guess that is why it's called ARTS instead of Ssssciiiieeeennnncccceeee or Tttrrrruuuutttthhhh. Here's where that fella who interviewed Cliff could help- not to stir up the dust again, but Cliff has a remarkably hypnotic voice or way about him or something. Jim Morrison is an artist and he is Catholic.
However, I'm guessing that post by ARTS means the "Manual Case" book might finally be coming out soon. I am very eager to learn more about what Adriana experienced and what her conclusion is about who the Bill Loyer guy she was in contact with really is.
This thing is going around in circles all of the time..There is no proof that Jim Morrison is alive; and until I see proof that he is alive, then I'll assume that he's dead.
Personally I Believe Andre story rather than Gerald Pitts..at least it sounds vaguely cridible as opposed to all the other stuff we hear time after time.
Cheers
Andrew
I dont think that there is any way that you would convince anyone on the strength of your attestation. The onus of proof is always on the idividual trying to prove something and cant simply say "if I'm not him..then prove me wrong"
I might as well say I'm Bart Simpson (I am actually)...I know that he's a yellow cartoon boy but if you set out to prove legally that I wasn't him and I contested your assertion..you'd be in a whole lot of expensive lawyer muck that could go on for years while I just sat back and laughed at you at no cost to me.
I've said it before and I'll say it again..if cowboy Jim is in fact Jim Morison I'll open a bottle and celebrate, I would be delighted to be proven wrong in this case....But there's the rub!...I need proof...total, undeniable proof and then I'll believe you. Until then; all this is just conjecture and rumour, and I'm still Bart Simpson!!
Come on!..you have to do better than your last effort to convince (I suspect) 99.9 percent of the folk on this site!
Cheers
Andrew
For you who don't know this, David Logan was Jim's best friend in the mountains of OR. David helped fall a timber in front of Jim's house that most lumberjacks wouldn't undertake due to the risk involved. David has always been a DOORS fan so he was able to bridge a gap which Gerald Pitts couldn't even begin to understand. Logan was Jim's drinking buddy- like cases of beer I suppose. Like any cool person would probably just go crazy if they could have one beer with the lizard king. David's father was best friends with American icon Paul Harvy. This site is very fortunate to have DL here. For now we will truly know... the rest of the story.
Some of the facts are not straight... but mostly are. The real story of who discovered him. What really happened after Jim revealed himself. Why this won't take fully. What's in store.
Would you mind if I gave you a call tomorrow as well?? I am a writer, but I guarantee that everything will remain confidential if you so desire.
My question is, what is the next step? Because as Andrew states, talking about evidence doesn't mean a thing. The pictures are quite compelling to me, especially some of the ones at your site. But we're still a long way from knowing with a surety, and in some ways it still seems like a screwy story with some contradictions (intentional coma drug for six weeks as Gerald just said, or overdose waking up in the morgue as you say now??).
I'd be happy to help generate more interest in the story (I posted one of the overlay videos on YouTube a while back showing the striking nose comparisons and could certainly do more of that kind of thing), but I'd need to be convinced more about this supposed evidence that is mentioned on your site before I'd be willing to put much more effort into it. "A fingerprint match has happened through F.B.I agent D.W.Jones. Laser point measure between pupils says yes. Voice comparison is an affirmative. Photograph comparisons match. Congratulations everybody Jim Morrison is back." That all sounds good but means nothing until the public can see any of it. Can we really expect any more movement on this beyond a couple of people asserting it to be true? How long can we drag this out? I understand if it ever was confirmed and broke out as a major story, that could change things again for Jim in a way that he may not want anymore, in terms of the attention. But then again, why did he allow himself to be pictured and hook up with you and Gerald if he wasn't willing to deal with that? If true, there are really so many questions...
When zooming in on that picture, it appears there may have been some Photoshopping or something done in the part where the nose curves off and elsewhere on the face (a line seems to run across the nose and down the right side of his cheek). However, it's possible that is a naturally occuring photo anomaly... a similar kind of thing happened on a picture of me last fall, where it looked sort of like I had a big bulging blood vessel across the side of my face... so I don't want to call foul play or anything until I can get a better look. But as it is, it does look very suspicious, so a higher resolution picture would be much better to work with to be more sure about whether it has been touched up or not.
I have been encouraged to join this site by Jlizard man. I have scanned the middle and read the front and the back a ways. I really appreciate your encouragement. Some of scans on my site are the poorer of the matierial at hand. For reasons. One guy who had all the answers and handprints sent to his expert, and is now avoiding me. A producer in Dallas. Too trusting. Many of my pictures are in the hands of one of the nation's leading forensic experts. Jim went cooperatively, took x-rays of his mouth and said "Good luck Doctor" on a voice comparison tape of about 4.
My site was thrown together.
Notice the coffee spill on the right hand corner Dennis? I keep telling myself to get with it and build a good site. I can give you a better scan. And will.
Just for the sake of realism Jagged, put your # up here and I will give you a call. Be glad to.
The new site will have some new video strictly of Jim. I will pull some comparisons together and you people do what you want with them. Hopefully this keeps moving forward and we can produce something. I would consider it a joy to talk to some of you. Dennis?
That would be terrific, as well as a new scan of that picture if you have one available (or any other pictures). My e-mail address is dennycrane1414 (at) yahoo (dot) com Please understand that I'm not saying that picture is a fake, only that there is something unusual about it that will prevent it from being taken seriously if touch-up cannot be ruled out. You can't go into battle with broken swords, if you know what I mean...
I actually pass through that area of Oregon now and then and was hoping to meet up with you or Gerald at some point to look at whatever evidence you have on hand and discuss what I might do to help. Of course, I'd love to meet Cowboy Jim, too, but I understand if that's not possible.
Anyway, it's great to have you hear. More input from those who have had direct contact with Cowboy Jim (whether he's the real thing or not) can only be a good thing for this discussion!
That sounds great. I will send my number to your email .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Interesting posts during the last few days..I'm quite excited. If this new thread is true then it would be a mind blowing event of awesome proportions. Considering what has been said; I imagine that the Worlds media are vying to have the first "scoop"..the first photos and the first story of Jims "resurrection".
If all that has been posted is indeed true,I don't believe my cynical expressions would be taken amiss. This is because I remain a cynic..but one who is gasping to be convinced. I want Jim Morrison to be alive, I really do, but I genuinely believe that he died all those years ago. I'm sorry JLiz..sorry Dennis..sorry Highmountainrougue..I've spent over half of my life worshiping him dead..how much more I would love it if he was still alive!
I know that I'm flippant (Bart Simpson etc) But I was right and Dennis confirmed ...thanks mate!..the onus of proof is on you guys..so please prove it!..we're all waiting!
I looked at highmountainrouges site...I'm sorry man, they dont look like Jim to me..firstly he looks too young..and secondly its the eyes...Oh shut up Andrew!!..convince me guys! and I'll believe you forever!
Goodnight all
Andrew
Most tricologists would recognise "male pattern baldness" as was obviously a feature of Jims "last days"..In the same way ones eyebrows don't suddenly become arched to the point of "surprise" without extensive surgury. Jims eyes and especially the brows were low down on his face. Look at the "SoundStage" songs on YouTube if you're in doubt,
Guys I'm not trying to prove you wrong...I'm hoping that you will prove ME wrong! and this isn't just another hoax along side of Andre's..It certianly seems like it right now!
Andrew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f21KBaPKVpU
not saying that isn't possible as he is only human. but his story about how he wrote the song sounds so...i dunno...scripted? that's just my imput. voice is kinda similar?
peace
dgoods
peace again,
dgoods
I am no techie. Watch for my site to improve. We are all busy and I know this is important. Gerald has rambled on and filled in the blanks. He was driven off the ranch for not listening.
http://www.highmountainrogue.com/background.html
to me in no way resembles jim morrison at all even if aged 40-45 years. the second yes i can see a resemblence. anyway, we'll see in time if you can change my mind. one question...why did bill loyer aka "jim morrison" seem to vanish after the pitts thing? are you still in touch jlizard or highmountain rouge?
Find dental records and I'll kiss your....foot. You have to understand the huge private and even legal conspiracy that followed July of 71. Again to remind you, legal experts and theorists have agreed that in traceable history no one has had the deck stacked in their favor like this case, to have survived. Pam claimed he was alive at least 3 times in the news. I heard it. For anybodies information I am Highmountainrogue.com. Alone.
Thanks for the message, I'll send you my phone number right now. Would tomorrow morning work for you?? I should be home all morning, I look forward to hearing from you.
I must admit that a few seconds of the "moonlight Drive" segment were eerily similar to Jims rendition of the original..enough to give me a tingle up my spine.
This is just a general comment on the current thread..not an opinion ok? Its just that towards the end of his time with the Doors, his voice; his singing voice was totally different to the begining..too many cigs..too much shouting and I suspect too many polyps for his original tones to recover. Cowboy Jim sounds way to young to me. Dennis as a musician I wonder if you agree?
As for forgetting a few lines here and there...well sometimes when I've had "a few" I forget how to speak! never mind sing...and we've all heard "no no no" haven't we? assuming that was Jim.
Highmountainrougue, cant wait to hear and see the bombshell that you are about to drop on us all!..Jim Morrison is alive! how awesome is that! I cant wait..I may sound flippant , but really I cant wait. Tell Jim (if he's really there) not to worry about fans...we'd leave him alone if he wanted it. Just proof..once and for all! then this site can close down.
Night night (its late here)
Andrew
Is there a better time that works for you?? I should be available tomorrow after supper. Just let me know what time works for you.
Have a great evenining!!!
Ah, of course... I kept thinking that because it was the first Doors song, in essence, that it was on the first album. It's been a while since I've listened to either of those albums.
And thanks Dennis waiting.
Sounded pretty wasted to me and yes that pick was off the cuff. I have heard Jim sing some stuff and as has been said singing the ol doors songs the last 30 yrs. is not exactly what he was doing. Gotta get to work fellas'. Please bear with me and see what I have. We'll go from there.
Just letting you all know that David and I had a great conversation, we shared stories and had a really great interiew for over an hour. I want to thank David for his time, and I will not reveal any additional information until David is 100% sure that it is OK. I will make contact with Jim next, but I am going to wait for another day, plus I want to make sure that I am not stepping on anyones toes.
Have a great night
Would you be interested in talking to me one on one, under the same terms as David?
I'm obviously not in the "loop" right now! what with telephone calls and emails etc and so on. Seems like the prep for a big scam to me. My friend who REALLY knew Jim Morrison and was with Pam in Paris hasn't heard of these guys ...folks beware..a fraud is in the offing
Andrew
I have talked with people way beyond the scope of what everyone else in any forum has even attempted, and because of that, not only do I have the stories, but I also have actual historical facts and I have photos that are brand new and taken this year with an actual high quality digital camera.
Andrew I'm liking to think we're gonna blow your socks off.
I was working my **s off in 1971. Living this long and not one to be fooled, I am telling you who he is and will maintain that till the day I die. It will make an interesting book.