Is Jim Morrison Alive?

image Most people think the musician Jim Morrison, lead singer for the Doors, died in Paris on July 3, 1971. But Gerald Pitts says that he "discovered Jim Morrison Living on a Ranch in the Pacific Northwest in the summer of 1998." According to him, Morrison is living a quiet life as an American cowboy "away from the Hollywood scene." Even though Morrison evidently engineered an elaborate death hoax to escape publicity, he agreed to appear on film for Pitts. You can buy a copy of this film for only $24.95 (shipping is extra). Pitts' site includes a video comparing the features of Jim Morrison the fifty-something cowboy to Jim Morrison the twenty-something singer. However, no matter how many times I watch the video, I just don't see any similarity.

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Posted on Mon Jan 03, 2005


Had a nice talk with David Logan to learn more about Bill Loyer the real Jim Morrison. Mars, your information may be correct on your planet but here it is wrong. Way wrong. People at the Museum of Hoaxes want evidence to back their claims to- something ya might want to consider before you post.
David and I were considering adding the following to the DEATH section in wikipedia. We would appreciate any constructive criticism...

In 1998 William J. Loyer of Eagle Point, OR revealed to his neighbor Billy Wilson that he was in fact Jim Morrison formerly of the DOORS. Wilson shared this information with David Logan and Gerald Pitts, partners in Rodeoswest Motion Pictures. Pitts was interviewed on numerous media programs including Coast to Coast AM. He formed Rodeoswest, Inc. incorporated in Oregon and included film footage and voice of the discovered Jim Morrison in his rodeo website Videos displaying the uncanny resemblence of Bill Loyer to Jim Morrison were posted on youtube and have been viewed the world over. Long time investigative reporter Brett Hudson from Fox News candidly photographed Morrison's ranch called the JM Sanctuary but shied from interviewing the resident. It was reported in an episode of A Current Affair.

Jim Morrison has told Logan that he has come out of hiding to honor his family, friends and the many fans who he loves and who still love him. He took advantage of a near death experience that occurred in Paris by making it seem that he actually did die because he knew his rock and roll life style was truly killing him. He has made a living over the years as a Master Journeyman Brickmason. Retired now, Jim spends his time painting and writing and with his wife Marsha and their families.

In 2008 David Logan and John Ceperich who had worked with Pitts since 2006, agreed to combine efforts to demystify and bring the Jim Morrison realization forward. Logan is combining photographs, forensic evidence and his personal experiences with Jim Morrison from when he was a wrangler for the JM Sanctuary at a website called Ceperich has spoken to Jim's wife, a retired medical doctor from Hawaii who says that over the years attempts were made to contact Sugarman, Manzarek, Krieger and Densmore but they were all ignored. Ceperich has contacted celebrities including interviewer Gary James, Bob Proctor (Secret), Governor Charlie Crist of Florida, Krist Novoselic (Nirvana), Billy Idol, John Cougar Mellencamp and 2008 Los Angeles Music Awards winner Cliff Morrison who at one time played in a band with Krieger's son Waylan and who is the alleged son of Jim Morrison.
Posted by JLizard  on  Sat Sep 12, 2009  at  05:45 PM

that stuff would fit right on wikipedia because wikipedia is full of NON facts like those. wikipedia is no credible source to me nor should it be to anyone. it's an interesting story but without driven facts and without bill loyer's cooperation your story is going to sink.
Posted by the goods  on  Sun Sep 13, 2009  at  07:06 PM
Hey goods,
All things considered, I have to agree with what you say. Wikepedia is non factual, especially in regards to about everything that is has to say about Jim Morrison. Again though, Bill Loyer is my sole driving force, so yes if he says that I am doing something contrary to his wishes then I close the book on this. But so far I have heard that he appreciates what we are doing so must march forwards. The facts here are larger than life; even if it wasn't Jim Morrison it would still be a remarkable story.
Posted by JLizard  on  Mon Sep 14, 2009  at  02:02 PM
I m going to quote you JLIzard "The facts here are larger than life; even if it wasn't Jim Morrison it would still be a remarkable story." I have been waiting to hear back from David, Bill, Marsha, and a few others who I am unable to mention. I have found very compeling info about Bill and Marsha and I just need their approval to publish it. Just like JLizard said, Bill's past is absolutely remarkable, if this guy isnt Jim he has definately had an epic life. Once I have permission I will post some of the info here. David if you could email me that would be great.
Posted by Jagged  on  Tue Sep 15, 2009  at  10:10 AM
i will quote you jagged to ask a question "if this guy isn't jim he defintely had an epic life"
okay so what's with that? he claims to be jim if he is not then how could you believe him on any other account of this so called EPIC past? just wondering is all. but keep it coming i'm interested. i really am just starting to see this is going to go absolutely nowhere. people keep saying they have info and proof and have been saying it on here for months now but time and time again nobody comes forward with anything even though they say this guy bill loyer aka jim gave them permission to move forward. and another thing that's starting to itch at me is even if this is jim and word gets out whatever you write a book blah blah blah. the feds will be all over his poor ass. if it's him he committed crimes! faking your death i think is illegal maybe? but if he is jim morrison i'm sure he could get out of it rock-stars don't go down like that. he will buy his way out of it with the money the fucking doors owe him. shit what am i talking about there's no proof.
the goods
Posted by the goods  on  Tue Sep 15, 2009  at  01:02 PM
Hi Goods,

Right of the top, just so you know, I have not been able to obtain fingerprints or DNA from Bill, therefore exposing him as the true Jim or a con man is still impossible. What I have so far exposes Bill from a couple years after Jim died. All the info includes his past relationships, family, residences, etc... the problem with this is that if I publish this info without consent I believe it would be an invasion of privacy. What I can tell you is that for some reason there is no record of Bill before the early 70's, there is absolutely nothing, which could just be a coincidence, or could be due to lack of record keeping. From my research it apears as though Bill just appeared out of no where. Also there are alot of bizzar coincidences throughout his life.

My biggest hang up right now is that, no matter how much evidence I come up with the only evidence that means anything is the fingerprint and DNA. I have new pictures, but they really dont mean much, in my opinion Bill doesnt look like Jim, but I could be wrong.

Just to clarify I'm not trying to prove of disprove, I m simply looking for all the evidence and then coming to a conclusion. My hope was that I'd find info from Bill's years that JIm was alive, this would prove that he's not JIm. So far I cant find any of this info, but I m still working on it.

Great question Goods!! Very constructive.

Maybe Andrew could shed some light on the questions you had about faking death being illegel etc.. and the legal ramifications that Bill may face if he infact is not Jim.

Your professional views would be greatly appreciated Andrew!

Have a great day!!!
Posted by Jagged  on  Tue Sep 15, 2009  at  02:00 PM
Hi Jagged,

By saying "Andrew", are you referring to me? If so I would absolutely assert that in most circumstances; to feign death would be an illegal act. In "most" is the definative word.

One has to be cautious in that assertion , however, as various factors would apply (e.g indebtedness, pending unresolved legal issues etc) I would have to have a factual account of pretty much everything that happened at the time of his "demise" to make a professional judgement. (Iwant to clarify this..I'm not a Judge so I use that word as an expression only)

Now on a less formal note, the good news is that he "died" in Paris, and as a European I have way more clout there than any (or many) American Citizens ever could..this is not an Anti American is just a matter of fact.

To cut things very short..I have American legal friends who could possibly help. I have a working knowledge of U.S law, but I'd have to study the statutes etc of the State where Bill lives.

All of the above is in the spirit of me being asked a question..if you weren't referring to me then I'll just say "oops" and clam up.

I hope that you all get these issues resolved guys..I'm not knocking any of you; but I'm sure that you all know that there is only one solution to this enigma! It has just occured to me that a person may go in "absentia" on some fear of death..death threats etc. In the UK you can change your name legally ..but we have a thing called "Deed Poll"...12th Centuary twaddle..I need to look up to see if you have the same facility in the USA.

Cheers all..sleep well!

Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Tue Sep 15, 2009  at  05:09 PM
Thanks Andrew!!!

Yes I meant you, thanks for the answer it's greatly appreciated.
Posted by Jagged  on  Tue Sep 15, 2009  at  09:05 PM

I'm only just coming round to your way of thinking, so keep your enthusiam going until you know for sure what is what.

If Bill isn't Jim then I expect him to cease communication with all of you if he fears that his ruse will be exposed. This is normal behaviour; but the same could be said for a person who wanted to retire into private life, then rethinking that and getting "cold feet" and wanting to retreat back into annonimity..Fickle behaviour is well documented in the history of celebrity.

JLiz believes this mans story, so I'll maintain my open mind until the truth comes out. If it turns out that he isn't the "man"..I won't crow about it; I'll just be rather sad that you guys have put in so much work..anyway here's hoping.

Goodnight guys..its late here now and I must be up at six...what a life!!

Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Wed Sep 16, 2009  at  04:15 PM
Hi Andrew,
I testify to you in a court of law that it is Jim Morrison. Will the people who have amassed amazing fortunes by saying that Jim is dead testify in a court of law as well?
Posted by JLizard  on  Wed Sep 16, 2009  at  07:41 PM
well i will not testify in a court of law my friend, but i'm just saying without dna matches there is no proving. bring so called jim to a court of law and have it testified or whatever. then we shall see. not saying you are wrong, just saying we shall see.
the goods
Posted by the goods  on  Thu Sep 17, 2009  at  12:18 AM
If I had a "we shall see" attitude none of this would have ever gotten accomplished. I've been working my tail off for over 3 years, spending my hard earned money and fighting tooth and nail for every millimeter of ground I get. Some may wear their TEAM DNA shirts and sit in the bleachers but those of us who have made it happen are standing up to very powerful "cool" people and doing what we think it takes.
Posted by JLizard  on  Thu Sep 17, 2009  at  04:24 AM
Great reply Jlizard!! I'd really like to talk to you, I havent heard back from David in a while, I believe I can contact you through youtube I'll try to message you my email.

Have a great day!!!
Posted by Jagged  on  Thu Sep 17, 2009  at  08:44 AM
great passion jlizard! i see you believe this is jim morrison. hey maybe i'd change my mind of needing dna evidence if i spoke with the man like you but i haven't. not saying he's not jim my friend nor was i attacking you. you had said to andrew previously that you would testify in a court of law that this is jim morrison. i was simply saying that dna would need to be done, bill(jim) would have to be 110% cooperative. i see you've put hard work in your research and that's cool. nor am i doubting any of your knowledge and belief that it is jim. i'm just saying me as a person cannot accept that he is jim morrison until forensics are done and his dna is a match. but i am intrigued by your efforts man! continue for sure!
the goods
Posted by the goods  on  Thu Sep 17, 2009  at  12:48 PM
I thought you might find this link interesting. I tried to add him but he has not approved me yet. It looks like our Bill/Jim
Posted by Jomo  on  Fri Sep 18, 2009  at  09:29 AM
I think that you all have entirely to much time on your hands and should look for something better to do with your lives.
Posted by John Ceprich's Fat Stomache  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  12:40 AM
I just got Jim Morrison face tattooed on my left testicle and Bill Loyer's face on my right testicle. And when you push the sac skin together it matches perfectly. For $9.99 I will ship you a video of Bill's face nut morphing into Jim proving once and for all that Bill is Jim and that I am not only very fat and unattractive, but also crazy. Let me know how many copyies of my "Sac of Proof" video you need. Leave you address and billing info on this board so I can get your copy in the mail.

John Ceprich
Posted by JLizzard  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  12:50 AM
Has the FACEBOOK Bill/Jim accepted anyone yet? He still hasnt approved me, his profile pic sure looks interesting, it looks retro. Kind of looks like Jim.
Posted by Jomo  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  10:13 AM
Jim Morrison Lives at:
4221 Elm Street
East Chicago, Indiana 46312

His email address is:
Email .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

And you can call him at:
Phone (219) 397-1558

Or catch him at work:

City of East Chicago Water Plant
3303 Aldus Street
East Chicago, Indiana, 46312
Telephone: 219-391-8423
Posted by The Purveyor  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  01:56 PM

It's a fact of life and Law, that the very few people who gain out of a contentious litigation are the ones that who least deserve it. In that respect I mean folk like me, who works for a sum of money (I have to do this to feed my family and pay my mortgage).And folk like JLizzard who works for nothing other than a belief.

I don't at this point need JLizzard to prove anything to me, as at this moment in time; I think that he is on the right track.

I fully admit that I was and still retain a sceptical point of view..JLiz knows this, as we chat regularly; however, I will be the first to applaude his earth shattering news in a few months. Personally I can't wait for it.

All you folk out there..Listen to may not agree; but I believe him to be an honest lad..and probably the most honest reprasentative of Jim Morrisom alive.


Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  05:20 PM
Loyer sure is a busy man.
Posted by Louis Cyphre  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  07:07 PM

This post is about a informative as the 200 before it.Paster agrees with me!
Posted by too cool for jomo  on  Sat Sep 19, 2009  at  11:13 PM
waiting in vain...but all ready expecting nothing
Posted by the goods  on  Sun Sep 20, 2009  at  02:24 PM
Goods and Cyphre,

I probably share the same doubts as you..I have spoken about them to JLiz personally,and many times on this site, and he is aware of them and seems to respect them. Apart from seeming to be a good "bloke", he has quite obviously put his money and personal reputation on the line for what he and many others percieve to be the truth.

I must respect that and so should you..not in a "believe it or not" kind of way; but in the spirit of trust. I suspect that if JLizzard feels that he has been wrong all this time, he will be the first to admit it, without any discredit to him.

However if he is right! then I hope that all the detractors, including myself, will line up to place a laurel wreath on his head as a victor. He's in an impossible situation right now..proof..non proof..DNA analysis and God knows what else. As my Granny used to say.."All will out with the wash"..meaning that the truth will be obvious one day.

Cheers all ..Night John

Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Sun Sep 20, 2009  at  05:54 PM
What about the thumbprint Pitts claims to have gotten from BillyJim during the filming of his epic movie. It sounds like BillyJim has been incarcerated so he probably was printed. I have been watching this story since 2005 not much has changed excepted for few tidbits here and there.
Posted by Beelvisbubba  on  Sun Sep 20, 2009  at  06:47 PM
Anyone that thinks JLizard AKA John Ceperich knows shit from shinola is a moron. I ask you! Where are the grand pieces of evidence he supposedly has? How does he think Billy Idol's manager or John Cougarfuckingmeloncamp would give a damn about Bill Loyer?

Do some research of your own. I recommend and the whitepages,how easy is that?Call his neighbors, which you can do if you know how to utilize the internet for more than barnyard love,myspace and dead rockstars. Plug in their names, see what you find.

William James Loyer of Eagle Point, Oregon is simply that, a normal person like you and me. The only difference is.....he has some wacko Jlizard plastering his image online.

Wake up. I can't believe you people even entertain this delusional fuckhead!
Posted by too cool for jomo  on  Sun Sep 20, 2009  at  09:56 PM
People of Indiana-get a Brita!
Posted by too cool for jomo  on  Sun Sep 20, 2009  at  09:58 PM
Wow loads of expletives on this site right now! ...saying "fuck" is one thing, but as a Brit I haven't got a clue what "shinola" it a kind of lubricant or something? I also assume that by getting a "Britta" means water filtration. but for the life of me I can't see how water filtration or oil could apply to the Jim Morrison dead or alive debate. Or is this just a Trans Atlantic mix-up?

Guys, stop swearing and being profane! it diminishes your point of view by about 60% by my standard. My standard isn't particular.. I just don't like hearing it thanx very much ..coolforjomo I refer to you particularly. What exactly is a "fuckhead"? is it a bizzarre erotic tool? or an easy put down?..If you were in my Court I'd rip you apart for using a term like that.

Goodnight all..peace and good will to ALL men is my creed and calling someone a fuckhead pisses me off more than I can stand!
Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Mon Sep 21, 2009  at  03:05 PM
Andrew, as was said, Manzarek's writings do not concern me directly; essentially my investigation deals only with that fact of Jim's revelation and with the question how he understands himself in such a thing as he experienced, or with the suspicion that he has not understood himself in it. I use M.'s words only with a definite aim. Had I to deal with them aesthetically and directly, it would give me pleasure to admit as officially as possible with my judgment is, that one really can learn something from them, or, to express myself quite explicitly, that I actually have learned one thing and another from them. A reviewer, it is true, is commonly accustomed to express his opinion with a superior air to the effect that, in spite of learning nothing himself, he can recommend that author
Posted by JLizard  on  Mon Sep 21, 2009  at  03:12 PM

Do you read your posts before pressing submit? Does anyone else see what a loon this man is?!
Posted by lost  on  Mon Sep 21, 2009  at  07:08 PM
The facebooks a fraud.
John isn't. Neither is the newspaper article.
Bill Loyer helped me when I was almost a broken man. The lowest point in my life. Strong and wise, he did'nt even know me.
Posted by David Logan  on  Tue Sep 22, 2009  at  01:33 PM
Or is it?
Posted by David Logan  on  Wed Sep 23, 2009  at  03:10 PM
David, I had asked before if we might be able to meet up when I'm in Helena in a couple weeks. If you can reply to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) that would be great.
Posted by Dennis Crane  on  Fri Sep 25, 2009  at  10:42 AM
David is right, the facebook that someone had made of Bill Loyer was a fraud.
Posted by JLizard  on  Sun Sep 27, 2009  at  03:22 PM

I don't want to sound like a teacher, but unless you do paragraphs; how on earth do you expect folk to follow your thread?

I've said it before, and obviously I must say it again,,PARAGRAPHS guys please! I'm, dyslexic and a whole segment of text like before almost makes my brain shut down..JLiz I had to go back to your text word by word. My brain sort of short fuses in that situation. I only knew something was wrong when my Wife called an ambulance.I felt ok but I couldn't even remember my name at that point.

I'm okay now, but please guys , write on this site in regular paragraphs..I'm asking as a favour..John I'll mail you separately to try to explain.


Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Thu Oct 01, 2009  at  06:51 PM
David Logan,

It's a question of wait and see isn't it? Do you think that Bill is Jim? Or is he just a nice guy who helped you.

I had an uplifting experience in 1979 when I first visited his grave as a teen..having said that I wept at Oscar Wilds Jims I laid a Oscars I laid a lilly from the florist shop near the top gateway. At this moment I feel as close to death as a human being could! my siezure has left me as a sort of ethereal being. I exist for now. And in this moment I bid you adieu!..JLiz I'll mail you.
Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Thu Oct 01, 2009  at  07:11 PM
John ,

Catch up with you soonest. I have loads of work to catch up having spent a few days in the sun driving 150bhp dune buggys in the Sahara Dessert...awesome back home.

JLiz can I repeat one thing? paragraphs help me eyesight isn't that good (I'll mail you privatly anyway) I just find solid blocks of writing very hard to read.

Cheers everyone.

Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Sun Oct 04, 2009  at  03:29 PM
If Jliz is Jim Morrison, then that means Jim is my awesome would that be? Actually John is an investigator who puts his mouth where his opinion is. Just in case he turns out to be jim..thats fine too.

I've just bought a massive house in the French Pyrenees, nearly 3000 feet above sea level..Its full of spiders right now..but I'm turning into a retreat for aged Rock Stars to crash out in. JLiz is welcome too.

I'm stopping being a lawyer soon, so if you have any general legal questions ask now..I'll be retiring in January at the latest! I'm 48 and have plenty of money to survive on.

John, Can I come and meet Bill? can I contribute at all?..I'll mail you privately anyway..

Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Sun Oct 04, 2009  at  03:55 PM
Thank you for always sharing your wit, humor and enthusisam. Congratulations on your decision to retire as an attorney. I'm already planning for the party!
Posted by JLizard  on  Mon Oct 05, 2009  at  02:46 PM
Having won Best New Artist of the Year AND Best CD of the Year in 2008, CLIFF MORRISON AND THE LIZARD SUN BAND will simply be entertaining tonight at the Los Angeles Music Awards. What an awesome treat that should be!
Posted by JLizard  on  Thu Oct 08, 2009  at  04:33 PM
Cliff knows he is't Jim's son. What a sad man, must want a father figure pretty damn bad.
Posted by JM  on  Thu Oct 08, 2009  at  07:46 PM
Hi Guys..Hi John...back on track now after my hols and retirement plans. Actually I'll have to put them on hold for a bit..the
Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Mon Oct 12, 2009  at  02:05 PM
Good to hear from you Andrew,
Just got my copy of Wilderness so I'll be busy with nose to papel myself. Still looking forward to your emails. The world needs to know bro.
Posted by JLizard  on  Tue Oct 13, 2009  at  03:18 PM
A bit of the world does know the rest just don't know for sure. Hi Jliz. Computer has been broken for a month. Golly I'm sure sorry Denny.
Posted by David Logan  on  Wed Oct 14, 2009  at  02:53 AM
Yup, too late now, David... I was just there last weekend. Well, I may go back next year sometime... But anyway, if you can forward me any more photos you have, or better quality ones, which you'd mentioned before, that would be great. The e-mail is dennycrane1414 (at) yahoo (dot) com
Posted by Dennis Crane  on  Thu Oct 15, 2009  at  07:32 PM
Ok guys,

We need to kick this web page up a gear or's all getting way too lovey right now. I propose a solution to this discussion.. (I don't want to say arguement) I say that Jim Morrison is alive and kicking..You say Jim is dead and mouldering in his grave...rather like John Brown.

JLizz knows my point of view and enters into healthy debate with me; I don't agree with him all the time..and for sure he picks me up from time to time..that is the value of debate.

Folks..listen to JLizzard on're in for a nice articulate pleasant man..who I hope to meet one day.

Cheers JLizzard..Keep me posted if you can..

Cheers J

Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Sun Oct 18, 2009  at  05:14 PM
Thanks for the kind words. You know, we just yap here like a bunch of old woman, the workhorse in this whole mess is still Cliff Morrison. After winning a couple of the most prestigious awards last year, Cliff and the Lizard Sun Band simply entertained at this one at the ever so historic Whisky A Go-Go 8.
Here's writer Dave Gamboa's website mentioning Cliff:

A website with Shane O'Brien:


which features our long lost friend's article nonstoptonowhere...

Cliff is the one doing the deal in the same wicked industry that his father did. We are all on the sidelines cheering, but if the Jim Morrison story will ever come to public light I'm sure we will have Cliff to thank.
Posted by JLizard  on  Mon Oct 19, 2009  at  07:11 PM
you quys are dumb he died in a club (alcazar) by heroin overdoes, 2 men carried him up to his hotel bathtub!
Posted by esperanza perez  on  Fri Oct 23, 2009  at  05:11 PM
Esperanza, You're absolutely wrong on that score so best pipe down on issues that you know very little about. Just because you read a fairly scurrilous tome recently doesn't make it a fact!..Research your comments properly or else shut the hell up!!
Posted by Andrew Carpenter  on  Sat Oct 31, 2009  at  06:18 PM
Yes, that is Jim. Pretty obvious. Yes, the nose is different. Duh. He's not a rancher. Probably disinformation, could be a place he has.

Paternity suit: Why do people think that some kid of Jim would want to sue his estate? That is how you think. Not how everybody thinks.

He probably has a ton of kids. There were a lot of paternity suits.

Jim's body is not in his grave. Just not there. Do the nostradamus thing and dig it up. Lol.

Him showing himself: why? Jim doesn't think like you do. Anyway, he doesn't have to show himself when he can create fake personalities online with elaborate legends and screw with you. Lol.

He writes his own disinformation. Some - "some" - of the most elaborate and absurd conspiracy theories he wrote... probably just to increase the size of the "labyrinth". Anyway, what is anyone looking for? Answers to what?
Posted by William  on  Mon Nov 02, 2009  at  02:16 PM
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