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EXCOSer claimed this was released from the "inner circle" of the CoS. Grotto Masters are NOT considered the "inner circle". In fact the entire Grotto system is phased out. From the CoS Affiliation page: "The Grotto System

Over the years, our

Don't know why you're getting your shorts all bunched up over this. Glad you can copy and paste from the website.

Best,
F

Do you have an issue with me putting correct and accurate information on here? Why do you care if I copy/paste from the official Church of Satan website. Does it bother you so much that you have to be sarcastic about it? Just because the official website contradicts what you fucktards are saying. Go buy a bib you're slobbering again.

I didn't post those excerpts to start a theistic/non-theistic debate, but because it mentioned the symbolism of the Vampire.

EXCoser

Thought,

None of this matters. The Handbook was circulated to the Priesthood that did participate in the Grotto system. It wasn't written by an obscure Grotto master, it was written by Sharon Densley (Blanche Barton) during Lavey's lifetime.

Thanks EXCOSer. Your contribution was relevant.

"None of this matters. The Handbook was circulated to the Priesthood that did participate in the Grotto system. It wasn't written by an obscure Grotto master, it was written by Sharon Densley (Blanche Barton) during Lavey's lifetime."

Prove it. Can you provide substantial evidence? If you say the evidence is there then show me it. The burden of proof is on YOU.

Read my previous post where I provide a link to it's release on the old usenet groups. If you're going to march in with a brazen demeanor at least do some legwork beforehand.

F

I miss Boyd Rice...

"Read my previous post where I provide a link to it's release on the old usenet groups. If you're going to march in with a brazen demeanor at least do some legwork beforehand."

In other words you have no proof. It is not up to me to prove what YOU have said is true. Not a fan of faith! Again the burden of proof is on YOU.

"In other words you have no proof."

I want to make a comment on your butchering the concept of "proof." Proof works in degrees; it's not a straight-shot answer more than half the time. Considering the Grotto Master's Handbook is no longer in use by the CoS today don't expect a http://www.churchofsatan.com copy and paste answer.

In any case, here it is:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.satanism/browse_thread/thread/5f22bc9f455066f7/798bb6d184f1fcec?q=CoS+grotto+handbook

"It is not up to me to prove what YOU have said is true. Not a fan of faith!"

Oh, and there's no connection between pulling yourself by your bootstraps and going out of your way a little to research something and having faith. Watch the generalizations.

for quite some time i was a member of the Temple of the Vampire and followed their teachings.However in 1987,my father died and things were not the same.i Had very serious problems for several years and I had to take care of my aging mother and brother..but let me tell you this...strange things have happened and i have to tell people what they are.On 5/22/2009,my boyfriend of twelve years,committed suicide.I found his body on the grass at our home and he died in my arms.Weird things are happening.First of all,I came home from work only to find that the
water in the bathroom was on.But the biggest thing is that I have 3 statues of Merlin the Magician in the house.2 are on my computer.One is on the bureau that he brought me...well,guess what? When I came home......SOMEONE MOVED THE STATUE OF MERLIN ON MY BUREAU.........AND I TRIED TO PUT IT BACK...AND IT MOVED BY ITSELF..I SCREAMED AND IT STOPPED.....THEN I SAW A SHADOW OF TUFFY...TUFFY WAS THE CAT THAT WE HAD TO HAVE PUT TO SLEEP.SHE HAS CANCER AND SHE WAS SUFFERING.I SAW HER SHADOW ON THE WALL AND SHE WENT INTO THE BATHROOM AND VANISHED.....CAN SOMEONE HELP ME? I Read Twilight and i am having funny dreams of flying.I also having dreams of werewolves and ice.Please advise me...what is happening? I havent followed the rules of the temple since my father died..what is happening?

Bridget,

The Temple was founded in 1989. Nice try.

I feel that lying or making up stories does not help anything at all.

wut does the tov do with the copies of ur id or drivers liscence after u leave the tov?

do they ever get rid of it?

if someone was an ex member and they wanted to have the tov get rid of it, contacting and asking them to do it would only draw more attention to urself from them. what a mistake to give them your picture id!

what can u do about it?

Drivers License Issue:

1. If your not comfortable giving them a copy of it then don't do it because, currently, according to my sources, it is not illegal for them to ask for it.

2. And even without a driver's license you can get information through some services to get background information on someone. However, this information is public record anyway.

3. And most places are now starting to require a social security number before running a background check on you. So, I wonder what they could really do with your drivers licenses because most licenses in most states do not have your social on them like they did in the past.

4. I would suggest calling your local or state police departments with your questions and call your local driving licensing place in the state you reside in. I would also suggest calling out o f state to other police departments if your local police are rude to you or don't answer your questions.

5. Last, get legal advice from a lawyer.

I spoke with local law enforcement and they told me that it didn't make any sense as to why they would be asking for a copy or scan of your license.

And my local police department said it would make more sense to have someone get a background check through their local government (Court of Justice) for about $25.00 and mail in the results to the club (I used the word 'club' to avoid mentioning the ToV or CoS for my own protection) instead of giving them a copy of your photo I.D. to verify if you have an unacceptable criminal background or not.

And if you are worried that they may use it to do something bad to you then it would not be very likely because using your license like that would be illegal activity.

And do you really think you are that IMPORTANT that they would waste their time on you, especially, if you left just because you didn't agree with their religion.

Its my guess they would shred or throw your file away to make space for new members. As we both know, there is always a big turnover in occult groups like this.

I have also read many past complaints on the internet from disgruntled CoS/ToV members and not one has mentioned anything bad happening to them as a result of providing these organizations with a copy or scan of one's I.D. And some of these past members were real assholes and really did wrong by the CoS, in my opinion.

I wouldn't worry to much because I doubt they are worrying about you unless you slept with the High Priest's wife or something. 😛

My guess is they do it simply to stop underage folks from lying about their age to get in.

If they would lie, and give Nemo a false license, HE wouldn't get in trouble, the member would.

It's a CYA thing.

EXCoser

My guess is they do it simply to stop underage folks from lying about their age to get in.

Ahh! I didn't think about that. Good thought. 😊

I imagine the photo and the birth date on the license would help verify if they are a minor or not.

However, I can understand why some may have concerns about this yet further discussion about this only detracts from topic and purpose of this thread.

Also, arguments about the CoS and LaVey take away from this thread too unless it is about the CoS/ToV associations. I ask others to please consider this before making posts.

So the CoS supports an organization that supports so-called undead gods that transport themselves via the Astral or literally into your bedroom, as I stated earlier? And the source of claim can be found in the ToV literature and their public website.

Maybe I could go ask Rex Church since he knows Ford so well on how he feels about the embrace of a "serpent's kiss", astral ghosts and Dark Doctrines. 😉

"Peter H. Gilmore: My real feeling is that anybody who believes in supernatural entities on some level is insane. Whether they believe in The Devil or God, they are abdicating reason. If they really believe they are in communication with some sort of interventionist deity...you know, somebody can be a deist and think that maybe there was some sort of force that launched everything and now has nothing to do with it. That's not anything you can prove. It's also not a matter of faith. It's a matter of making a choice between whether there was something or there wasn't. I think maybe that is the most rational decision. I think science makes it look otherwise, but I don't think somebody like that is mad. But anybody who believes in some kind of existence in deity or spirits or anything that intervenes in their life is not somebody I hold in any kind of esteem."

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Satanism:_An_interview_with_Church_of_Satan_High_Priest_Peter_Gilmore

So does believing in "undead gods" make one insane and should you tell ToV members to take a hike?

Really, where does he actually stand on magic and the supernormal? I read one thing yet see another... Sorry.

TO seekr

to ex members of tov:

hopefuly ppl who know wut they r talking about can answer.

how long does the tov hold on to the copy of ur picture id/drivers liscense after u leave the tov?

do they use the id copy as a link for feeding or for magical attacks on ppl who's id's they have?

do they have that kind of power?

what can you do to protect urself from them doing something like this to u or from even doing something smaller like looking up ur financial info?

They have no power over you other than what you give them. The fuckheads probably keep the ID, which they shouldn't. If they start that shit, sue them. I'd love to see that shit.

Throughout this thread the one thing that I have not noticed, or I missed, is that no one can truly prove their beliefs are "real". The manuscripts are often hundreds or thousands of years old, often translated in different languages and biased perspectives. Any person that condemns one persons belief and espouses his own is a hypocryte. If a person had true faith in what they claim to be "The Way" then they would sit back enjoy their life, answer questions and wait for the end. All of us will find out if we are right or if we are wrong. In the end only one group will have the right to say "I told you so".

"One person emailed me to say the Necronomicon must be real because it has names of Sumerian and Babylonian mythological figures in it. I suppose Wonder Woman comics are real because they mention Greek mythological figures too? Is Harry Potter real because it mentions London? Just because writers insert names of real places or idols doesn't make it real."

http://usminc.org/necronomicon.html

diabolus rex listed on alt.satanism by jantsang as cofounder temple of the vampire real name lucas martel can anyone comfirm?

"One person emailed me to say the Necronomicon must be real because it has names of Sumerian and Babylonian mythological figures in it. I suppose Wonder Woman comics are real because they mention Greek mythological figures too? Is Harry Potter real because it mentions London? Just because writers insert names of real places or idols doesn't make it real."

I didn't realize this was from a 'Christian' site, yet the writer made a good point in this paragraph. Lol!

I should have just came out and said it; yet, if you find a document on the internet called "Shades of Algol" by Michael W. Ford (google it) you will find that Rex Church is mentioned in the dedication section as a 'friend'. I found this by complete accident (or is it an accident) while researching Ford's perspective on Luciferianism.

Furthermore, I find that many of the Temple's teachings are in these Luciferian works of Fords too.

http://stores.lulu.com/succubusbooks

If I recall correctly Ford used to be a member of the TOV in days past. I think, but my be wrong, that he was also in the TOS at one time.

EXCoser

Here is a link where you can read an ex-ToV members view on the Temple.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.synchronicity/browse_thread/thread/bb88b2575ed7e98d/b38ed8ce3e283483?q=shurpu+kishpu#

Click on the top link and then read from first to last usenet names.

Interesting and it backs up some of what I and others have said here in this forum and Vampire Jesus is even mentioned.

Really, we can't all be liars when ex-members are saying the same things. 😉

Note: In the aforementioned Google Groups old usenet thread be sure to click in the upper right or lower right where it says "Newer >" to continue reading more of the thread--important. Also, you can click on "expand all" to expand all of the names to save to your disk or print.

And now enjoy another find I found by accident.

I imagine there are more gems out there on the usenet so please post your links as you find them.

"For me, the decision not to suicide was not a matter of courrage, but of patence and trust that the universe held no kindness or cruelty
reserved for me. But my identity was distroyed."

And didn't I say earlier in this thread that thoughts of suicide could occur with ex-ToV members.

http://www.cafepress.com/landoverbaptist/285005

I don't know why my previous post did not post right yet the previous quote was from another ex-ToV member in that usenet thread.

Here is a link proving there Vampire Jesus teachings ("Dracula of Nazareth"):

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vampyres/browse_thread/thread/d8025fb8f80f3c90/7dd3b61bb857186?q=temple+of+vampire++faq#07dd3b61bb857186

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In article <[email protected]>, .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Sean
L. Connell) writes:
> Many are called. Few are chosen. Fewer, still, enter.

Many will plagerize, but few will actually give credit where credit is
due.
Fewer still will get away with it.
What, you think we're all illiterate and can't recognize someone else's
quote when we see it?
--------- The Source of the quote, Yeshua de G'Nezarath (Jesus the Zealot
or Terrorist) is found in, of course, the Christian Bible (which we value
as an excellent instrument of control). The details behind this
successful effort are summarzed in the somewhat amusing though insightful
"Dracula of Nazareth" paper for members of the Temple. No disrespect
intended but Those who created your religions have some insights therein.
-Lucas Martel
Priesthood of UR "

I also realized that the claim made by an older poster on here stating that they believe undead gods to be spirits of dead human vampires who don't need bodies anymore is backed up in my previous usenet link.

I realize this doesn't prove anything a 100% yet it shows how some in this thread are not BS the readers about the ToV's teachings.

"Ah, idiocy. I think that just proved a lot of people's arguments. Thanks, Lonnie."

Lonnie is holding it down here for the "plastic-fangers", I'm sure that Nemo is proud to have such a strong representative here amongst us demons.

Keep up the good work Lonnie from Pitt, all though this fire needs no fuel, your an abundant source for those with gas guzzlers!

Hail Satan!

Hail the Sandstorm!

http://vampirism.subject-expert.com/vampires-f2/question-with-some-comment-temple-of-the-vampire-t60.htm

Part 1 of 2

"by Maxx on 29/8/2008, 2:11 pm

I have seen in other locations posts recommending contacting the Asetian web site to ask questions. I have not located that site so I will ask an open question here for others to see and maybe get an answer from someone in authority.

In reading the Asetian Bible I find that most of the information in the book I am familiar with in some form or fashion. Very little of it I find new to me. I spent 5 years as a Adept in the Temple of the Vampire. The teachings I learned were from their bibles and an individual there who ran it called Nemo. He used a name as George Smith when he spent 2-3 years with the Temple of Set before starting the TOV. He is also presently a magistrar in the Church of Satan as those two groups have the near same general concepts for the day side teachings. I also received much teaching in private from Nemo himself in private e mails.

In the beginning, it was all teaching very much worthy of a great person. At the last the teachings stopped and the group is now an angry group run by a group of 10 that censor any commentary on the board and has done a reverse turn as far as being a worthy group to learn in. I basically resigned in public on the board and created an uproar within the group. I found the change when Nemo backed off and turned most of the day to day affairs over to his son and the group of ten. It is now run by the son of Nemo as well as himself and the entire group is frightened to even post anything that would appear to be bad to TOV. In fact, it has taken on the appearance of the Church of Satan board that jumps on anyone that does not agree with them in any way. Censorship is foremost.

My question is how could Nemo have acquired this info? In a private e mail he told me in the beginning that he had to shop it for a sponsor. Then I guess he found one when he started the Temple. But there was a person named Lucas Martel that signed certificates. Lucas Martel---Luis Marques?. Too close for comfort with the close similar info."

Part 2 of 2

"Could Nemo have been with the Aset Ka and been a type of renegade that put out the info (or a very, very close section of the info)? Nemo presents the TOV as being the only teachings of the true Vampire. You even have to buy all of the bibles thru his group even if you have acquired them from other sources as he says that will be the only way the transformation will occur, using approved books for study. Nemo is pushing all the members to sign up for cyronics to have the body frozen after physical death so science can bring back the anchor in the future. (Can you see the faces of the cryonics folks when they find out that 80% of the members call themselves Vampires?) All of the members are to pay extra attention to never let this secret get out to the public. LOL. The monthly dues amount of the large group worldwide is a good source of income now as the number has grown. I guess Nemo needs more time to watch his stock folio with his investments now.

I know there is some connection in all the info from the TOV teachings and the Aset Ka. Nemo has taken the teachings and tied them to the UFO sightings calling them the Gods from the past and also some of the transformed Vampires that are now advanced. Interesting teachings to say the least. The main teahings include the OBE techniques, feeding and how to feed, as well as all the metaphysical teachings in the Aset Ka Bible.

This is why I was so shocked to see very little new info when I read it. And this is why I was so taken back when I began to read the Asetian Bible and what Luis Marques had written.

I would appreciate anyone within the Aset Ka to kindly tell me what is going on here, either in public or in a private e mail if that is better.

Regards,

Maxx"

"by Maxx on 30/8/2008, 12:34 am

Victor, Thanks for your comments.

As far as the name, to my understanding, Lucas Martel was in charge of the TOV when it was given over to Nemo. I came in a little after the transision. I know there must be some kind of renegade issue here but just do not know how the connection lies. It would be certainly be a great relief to many out there to find out the true origins of the TOV.

Nemo is excellent at dispersing info at 95% actual and 5% changing the direction around and taking the entire issue in another direction. He gave instructions in the OOPs section (Order of Prometheus) showing us how to do that. It is a science. He is great at putting any idea out there to cover up something he does not want to talk about....even in a direct question. I tried for many years to get some answers about MKultra programming which he knew of but declinned to admit and then had his wife come in and try to show me it was nothing but delusion. LOL. A little too much to take when I have seen it with my own eyes and witnessed it in several cases. But that is another subject.

Hope to find some kind of answer out there. Thanks to you.

Regards,

Maxx"

Part 3 of 4

"by Maxx on 31/8/2008, 3:56 pm

Victor,

You stated you were with TOV at one time. What level did you progress to within their structure? That would tell me a lot about what info you had access to. Of course, anything released by Nemo was always at the whim of Nemo and when he released it to individuals. Many times it was given to those he would choose in private e mail.

His wife Isabel, mostly dealt with issues of food and health while his son, Faelyn, was not that active within the structure at that time. He teaches at some Univ in Calif. It is designed that he take over most of it with Nemo in the shadows watching.

Maxx

Maxx
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Additional info from AB
by Maxx on 3/9/2008, 2:40 pm

In reading the bible, it is obvious that I would associate with the Guardian decription. After reading the three, there is not even a small question.

Under Oclujmancy, This subject had been dealt with in the past by Nemo and he gives a few simple exercises to accomplish this. I do believe that Nemo is able to accomplish this himself. Under psychic attact, I will have to say the same. Also, there were excercises to take over another body and effect movements and change thoughts and actions of the target body. Even I have taken over Burt Reynolds body twice so I know this works.

As mentioned, Nemo has acquired much knowledge of the actions of the Asetian Bible. A possible renegade. But in the overall reading of the bilble, I find that Nemo has been just giving part info to the TOV members as a general rule and telling anyone that joins and pays their monthly dues, he is telling them they are immortal and will live forever if they remain in good standing of the Temple. Myself, having rebelled from his tripe, I am classified as being nothing but a mortal and will die because I do not pledge my oath to his group as it is the only group that can give immortality to anyone. A simple cult that actually takes the individuals that are outside the mainstream social groupls and is telling them that they are very special and that is why they do not mingle and feel comfortable with others. He has really pulled the wool over the eyes of many."

Part 4 of 4

"I am actually printing this to enable those that run across that group to not waste your time with this outfit. I spent 5 years within its framework and although I learned quite a bit, the organization turned into nothing but a cult. I also suspect that Nemo has an investment in the cryonics locations in this country as he is now making it manatory to move up in grade and rank that you join and be frozen upon death for your body to be brought back by science in the future.

Now, in comparision, I find the Assetian Bible much more informative and it deals with the subjects in a more intelligent manner. As far as Nemo stating the Assetians deal in murder and they drink blood, LOL. He uses a topic to dump everyone in the catagory. I can see from reading the bible that Physchic attack in drawing the lifeforce to death would only be used in a necessary situation, not as normal operating mode.

All in all, I am certainly glad I listened to my internal machine and left the TOV. I, also, am very satisfied with what I have found in the AB. I hope in a small way that I have helped a few that could possible be thinking of the TOV, that this is a very cultish group not worthy of your time.

Regards,

Maxx"

Here is another interesting link about the ToV and another's opinion (by Zenaphobe):

http://www.dailywingnut.com/ML/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=14&posts=19

"gutspiller

Posted 2009-05-27 2:05 PM (#63 - in reply to #34)
Subject: RE: Temple of the Vampire- Ancient secret or wingnut religion?

Hey there

Great stuff, let me spill a bit more.

1) The organization that "Nemo" belonged to was the Temple of Set. He didn't spout Vampire nonsense while he was there, although the ToV began as the Kthulhu Pylon in Washington state. Interesting, most of the current higher-ups of the Church of Satan were one-time Temple of Set members, including Peter Gilmore. Research and you will find more info and fascinating history. Michael Aquino's Church of Satan and Temple of Set history PDF's are invaluable.

2) Nemo is also known as Lucas Martel, and his real name is George Smith. He is totally into cryonics and all of that pseudo-medicine crap.

3) Although they declare up and down that they are not a cult, they do strongly urge members to purchase ToV business cards - i.e. buy my advertisements and pass them out - just like product logo shirts.

Well, that should get the ball rolling anyway. Don't let the OoPs get you!

Matt

p.s. OoPs = The Order of Prometheus - an inner police circle of the ToV. They look for anyone spilling the truth about the Temple, and usually try to have message boards posts, etc. removed. Do a Google search for Vampire Bible and scroll to the bottom. Click the DMA alert. You'll see what I mean. The OoPs is the Temples police/clean up crew."

I can't believe this! I found a copy of the "Ruby Tablet of Set" and it has an article wrote by George Smith I

I would like to add that the part on the "The Essential Deidentification Process" and "Walking the World" in the Ruby Tablet is basically IDENTICAL in wording to what is in the Predator Bible.

It's as if they copied it out of the Ruby Tablet straight into the Predator Bible.

I wonder if the ToV can legally have this in the Predator Bible unless George owns the copyright to this?

http://www.dailywingnut.com/ML/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=14&posts=19

I suppose that being a vampire, you are recommending a steady diet of Human blood, as this is what seems to work in the movies. I doubt we can safely follow that assumption to it's logical end as it presents a whole logistical problem for our fledgling creatures of the night.

As a former tov member (at least when I was a member), Zenaphobe's assertion that ToV members are drinkers of real blood is wrong. The fact, when I was there, was that ToV members believe they can take astral/spiritual (whatever term one wishes to use) to take energy from humans and nothing illegal.

Otherwise, most of what this poster is saying is fairly accurate and funny.

I still remain objective when it comes to the occult yet I doubt the ToV is the "one true way" after my research.

Joking, it also feels like the CoS has been invaded by the ToS, in some sense after knowing what I know. Lol! I also wonder if Peter Gilmore is really an ex-ToS member as the other poster claimed.

From the way things look and sound they might as well reunite the ToS with the CoS since the ToV is the CoS's way of having the ToS teachings for "nostalgic" former ToS members. I may be wrong and this may not be true yet this is what I suspect.

Mr.Sand

Perhaps Mr.Private's discovery is the flaw that you mentioned that you discovered in the ToV's VB about 40 or 50 pages back?

In my opinion Mr.Private, what it is that you are stating in the above is that, ToV teachings aren't as sacred as Nemo claims.

I would say...good find and great content for this page and it's loyal fans.

I also say...

Hail Satan!

Hail EiS!

Hail p.133

Hail Outstanding Difference #5

In my opinion Mr.Private, what it is that you are stating in the above is that, ToV teachings aren't as sacred as Nemo claims.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying and it is pretty easy to find this document online to see for one's self.

Additionally, it backs up what other ex-members and Usenet postings are saying about George Smith and Aquino saying about him being an ex-ToS member.

And, once again, you can go back to the CoS website where Nemo states he was once a member of some organization that he didn't name that almost ruined his life.

Yet I do understand that if one did not own a Vampire Predator Bible then they will not be able to see this. Then again, for the ToV member reading this, this document mentions WTW, BTE, and deidentification which have been mentioned in the First Circle ToV forums. Ergo, if you are a Lifeforce member then you may be able to validate this for yourself by reading the aforementioned document which is found online with ease.

Rupert, I think EiS sums it up. 😛

Wow. This is just staggering. I knew things were bad, but not this bad!

I had read The Predator Bible and I'm very familiar with these texts in the links above. Rex Church also contributed to The Ruby Tablet of Set I heard, though I have yet to read what he has written.

So The Temple of the Vampire is a blatent ripoff of the Temple of Set. I wonder why Michael Aquino hasn't done anything about it. Surely he knows. This would be his golden opportunity to bring down the CoS. Obviously, he's not taking action for a reason. I wonder what's in it for him...

The plot thickens! 🧛

I'm currently reading Michael Aquino's E-book, "The Church of Satan." I just started it and I find his analysis and perception of LaVey to be way off the mark and it's completely obvious his assessment of him is bias. Michael Aquino has his own agenda. It's clear when you read his words. I almost abandoned the book out of boredom but perhaps it is worth a read considering that what he says about most other members and CoS is at least half true.

What a great pic....I want to fly that as a banneer on LttD!


I think ToV is on it's was to being debunked..not even on the basis of whether or not it's practices are real but on a factual basis....

Their claims have been proven false in terms of timeline.

There new recruits had no knowledge of what has recently been presented here and those that had knowledge were high enough up in the organization that they were being greased or strong-armed to keep quiet.

What I fear is that most of the new recruits are too stupid to do any research, rather they will blindly fall victim to the cult and it's over-weight cripple of a leader.

What are you going to do Nemo...behind your 20" widescreen monitor you are a coward.

So what, you were on Art Bell...So was a guy that claimed he found a hole in which you could hear the sounds from hell!

Just like a Polygamist-Mormon Cult Leader, you will be brought to justice.

ToS/ToV.....It's the same thing; substitute Setian with Vampirian..

Unless Dr.Aquino is in on the killtaker, one might thing that he would be up-in-arms over the copyright infringement or maybe just the copycat infringement!

At the very least I would expect him to call them all F'ing Posers!

One might consider the following:

Hail Satan!

Hail EiS!

Hail P.133!

Hail OUTSTANDING DIFFERENCE #5

It's good to see you back Green Fairy. Please respond to my questions in the middle of page 48 or admit you know nothing of the people involved and fabricated your intimate knowledge of Vampyric events withing the Church of Satan.

The accusations against Magister Diabolus Rex Church and Magister Nemo on this thread are reprehensible. None of you know anything of those involved or their purposes. Your conjecture approaches criminality.

"Part of the denial reflex is to attack the messenger then when they respond scream they are [liars,] picking on me or look at them run away."

So The Temple of the Vampire is a blatent ripoff of the Temple of Set.

I understand why you think that yet that is a big conclusion to jump to.

The fact remains that I did find an article written by a ToS member in the Ruby Tablet document yet this only means that "part" of the Vampire Bible was written by a former ToS member.

I did say some things about how I felt about the ToV being heavily influenced by the ToS yet those were just my own personal assumptions and I never stated they were "fact"(or didn't mean to) yet I still have those feelings.

Also, there is no real solid evidence that the writer of this section in the RToS is Nemo either; however, it is my strong suspicion/personal opinion it is. And when I found this section of writing by accident, it did suggest to me that the Vampire Bible may not be as sacred as some thought like Rupert stated.

I also agree with another here that you have to take anything Aquino writes with a grain of salt.

Also, it seems that many ex-Temple members in other forums and in old usenet posts are claiming that Nemo and Rex are ex-ToS members, not me, I am just posting what I found out in cyberspace being posted by others.

Personally, I don't think all these posters are all liars because why are they all saying the same thing in different places and I feel where there is smoke there may be fire.

...that "part" of the Vampire Bible was written by a former ToS member.

Correction, I mean the Predator Bible.