Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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This is very interesting discussion which is about the MoH topic here.
And excuse me from getting off topic in this thread.
neat thred, sad it getz offtopic as bad as here. tks pryvit 4 posting it!!1!
And, not trying to be difficult, yet it would be helpful if you could type your paragraphs and sentences using better sentence structures. I am having a difficult time trying to interpret your posts.
Sorry but reading posts like this can be as frustrating as posts going off topic. 😉
Respectfully,
Private
We are all vampires my friend, every living animate creature on earth must take life from another being in order to survive - its called EATING and METABOLISM. Nothing special.
The plants eat sunlight and minerals/liquid, plant eaters absorb both minerals, nutrients, and the SOLAR ENERGY (aka ASTRAL ENERGY) accumulated by the plant - and humans eat animals and plants as a way to obtain that same energy, which manifests as body heat when broken down, and sustains consciousness.
People who stop eating will eventually cease to be able to psychologically function a few days before they finally DIE. Without taking life from another being and consuming it, you will die.
So unless you can tell me you have never eaten a thing in your life, then you too, are a vampire. Advanced vampirism, in the sense known by those who are conscious of their vampirism, is a practice whereby the astral or electromagnetic energy is taken from other humans, nourishing you in ways that food lacks.
Vampires are very real, but have little to do with hollywood depictions or gothic cheese-balls (even though some do get a kick out of dark imagery and might choose to dress that way). A vampire feeds on their fellow man, directly or indirectly, and all humans do it, the only difference is whether or not one is conscious of it and seeks to amplify and manipulate that ability for their exponential benefit.
http://www.vampiretemple.com
Give me a freakin' break!
GF...Very nice to hear from you again!
PIP...You the same!
All is well...HS!
This is fiction....Your lives are unfulfilled, fairy tales aren't going fill your void, go get some help!
I'm surprised it hasn't yet...
*Laughs* Good to see you as well Rupert. 😊
Take it all on faith, why not just go buy the King James Bible and take it all on faith? It's the same.
Push on your eye-lids, stare at the sun, breathe deeply 30 times in a row and you will experience something that seems of a different reality!
My only advice is, as the Temple says, one thing I do agree with, is to "believe nothing and test everything".
And if things start telling you to do illegal things or to harm yourself then maybe a psychiatrist could help you so you do not harm yourself or others.
It sounds as if you are jumping to conclusions about your experiences and about undead gods; and asking posters here if they are undead gods will not help you validate your own subjective experiences.
I am personally willing to remain objective when it comes to paranormal experiences yet I DOUBT everything too. I doubt the Temple's claims because I have not had enough evidence to prove any of their claims and for other reasons I mentioned in earlier posts.
And if a Christian was in your shoes and bought a copy of the Bible they may interpret their supernormal experiences as angels or demons or ghosts of dead people, etc...
However, projecting your beliefs onto your experiences is very dangerous and that even includes Temple members.
What if your experience is something else or is coming from another source or even YOU?
And like I said, even if something popped into my bedroom and said it was an undead god, jesus, god, satan, an angel or a demon I would NOT take its word for it and keep on doubting and testing its claims.
Have you ever heard of Project Blue Beam? Go look that one up and think about the Second Coming of the Lord. What is funny is that if something like that did happen there would be so many who would believe Laser Beam Jesus really came back because they didn't believe nothing and tested everything and jumped to a big fat hog of a blind faith based conclusion.
Remember DOUBT.
Good luck!
Harris , Lang , Nemo , Phineas (whatever you name is), Ventrue (I wish real life was Interview with a Vampire-Lestat), you have all disgraced the name of Satanism with your support of this escapade called ToV.
I don't care about your radio shows or your books or your stupid letters to the devil, you are all frauds!
Who's to say that you didn't get your titles via your contributions to Nemo...
Who's to say that Nemo didn't play a part in your promotion (if you want to call it that)...
What did you really work your way through the nightside and dayside, did you really meet the undead gods...Magister Lang, did you really meet the undead gods..come on, really?!?!
Magister Harris you have the gall to play that friggin commercial on your radio show....WTF!
If they are so elite and high and mighty, why are they fishing for "family members" through mediums that attract the lowest quality of people?
You would think they would advertise in more 'elite' circles. :roll:
http://www.radiofreesatan.com/links.html
The banner is there and I have heard the Temple promoted on Radio Free Satan by Magister Harris.
And just because he is a Magister doesn't mean he isn't brainwashed or hypnotized by this "popular occult movement".
However, I trust the CoS is in denial about the ToV because they have made no efforts to care what their own members think.
I find it ironic that the ToV can posts its banners all over CoS websites yet members protests are quickly silenced. VERY suspicious.
What? Are they afraid real Satanists might expose the ToV for what it really is or show how un-Satanic it is to belong to such a "popular occult movement"?
I'm wondering if there's something about the ToV that we don't know, some important point that we are missing.
When Magister Nemo is representing Satanism, he totally contradicts his ToV beliefs. He has to. It's his job as Magister to speak for Satanism within the Church of Satan. Although he does sneak in his some of ToV views in a lot of his posts. Now if you go on Lifeforce (the ToV message board), everything he says contradicts Satanism. No different when it comes to the rest of Hierarchy who have dual memberships in both organizations.
>>I emailed Magister Harris around a week ago asking about his relationship with the ToV, and I've gotten no messages back.<<
You never will. This is something the CoS refuses to discuss.
>>I'm wondering if there's something about the ToV that we don't know, some important point that we are missing.<<
Nope. All of the evidence points to this being nothing other than a complete scam.
All of the banners on that Radio Free Satan link you posted are pretty telling as far as where Magister Harris stands on this issue.
More than half the people he is promoting on that page are dual members more notable for their involvement in ToV than the Church of Satan. Example: Crimson Elite Productions, The Ghost, Corvis Nocturnum, Hell of all Hells, etc.
>>And just because he is a Magister doesn't mean he isn't brainwashed or hypnotized by this "popular occult movement".<<
My sentiments exactly.
I do believe though that Hell of all Hells may be playing the system. A good example of how being a member of one will benefit one's existence in the other (no metaphysical pun's intended)!
(Hell of all Hells/CoS)ToV=Warlock/Cos
Warlock/CoS+ToV/Banner Flying(LttD)
= Hell of all Hells/Promotions by Heirarchy(s)
= Record Sales,Record Sales,Record Sales
I still like your music Vincent Price, no bones about it!
Jo: Um, you're weird. Anyone pretending to be a vampire is an insult to a race we don't even know exhists; but anyone yelling out that there's no proof is like a parrot, or a high school cheerleader: Simply blurting out the obvious as loudly as they can.
He released a new book called "The Satanic Scriptures" and has been in recent interviews.
hey private, thanx for the advice!!! i looked up project blue beam!!! pretty wild stuff!!!! makes u think deep on where this wild/crazy outta control universe is going!!!??? p.s. - to all the vampires, see u in 2012???
I would be careful believing all of the hype and fear mongering about 2012. I think the world doesn't need anymore religious insanity and things like Blue Beam and 2012 only perpetuate more madness. Also, how do you know if you will see any vampires in 2012? Do you believe in vampires and how do you know they are real?
Lets face it... all u satanists! devil worshipping died, after Anton Lavey past away!!!
Imagine, what if what you believed wasn't true? (http://www.insidethechurchofsatan.com) I invite you to remember this; CoS members feel that Satanists and devil worshippers are two entirely different things. And the more you research Satanism the more you will find out that Satanists are not inverse Christians, don't worship a devil, not evil worshipers, or advocate illegal activity.
And after learning this you might find yourself wondering why there is so many lies out there about Satanism so isn't it odd that there is? So its just like Anton LaVey said, "Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!"
And I will not deny that there may be a small minority (not CoS members) out there who fit these popular beliefs yet they are not Satanists from the Church of Satan's perspective.
and who the hell is magister harris??? ....pleeeeaaasse!!!!
Why are you begging? Come on! It isn't that hard! 😊 If you type "Magister Harris" in google you will discover he is a host for the Satanism Today podcast.
the most evil that a vampire or satanist can posess is for you to believe that he doesnt exist!!! so if you are a vampire, satanist or a black witch? dont open yourself to anyone about it! you can easily scare some1 (a family member, a loved 1 or even some1 your trying to impress) and sumthings like that should be totally confidential to practice in your own home on your own time.... alone.
I agree with this for certain individual member's situations. For example, I live in the Bible Belt so its wise for me to stay in the closet because of ignorant bigots who learn everything about Satanism from lying Christians and dishonest media sources.
And if your gona hurt someone or cast a spell on some 1? they have to believe that some1 like YOU would be the last to blame!
Lonnie, Satanists are not out to mindlessly hurt others. Its just that Satanists believe in a modified form of the golden rule in that Satanists don't turn the other cheek and respect the laws of the land in the process of getting JUSTICE.
Lonnie, please remember to correct your beliefs about Satanism after reading this.
The Cos related web sites have been an excellent conduit for the arts and a great forum for the exchange of ideas.
But I must admit, the idea of the ToV being accepted as a legitimate appendage that has been grafted onto the body of the CoS is an absurdity that I cannot personally tolerate. I might as well go back to believing in the Easter Bunny and Humpty Dumpty.
I can recognize a scam when I see one. The fact that the CoS has not done also concerning it's recognition of the YoV is appalling to me.
I have written to Gilmore more than once and have received no reply. His silence on the matter speaks volumes.
And of course, we all know what happens when a person seriously opposes or questions the ToV scam as a paying member of either Ventrue's Undercroft or Letters to the Devil 'satanic' sites.
Personally, I'm too old for this kind of shit. I'm in my early sixties and I've had plenty of time and insight attained watching the CoS evolve into its present state.
Watching the younger people walk into a type of Venus Flytrap makes me sad.
The CoS was basically a good thing with potential.
It still has the potential, but it's mixed messages by its Magisters (one of which is a flat out smooth talking co-artist) distorts the message of the CoS for all the youth who are looking for a solid base to grow from.
As I see it, there is no solid base as long as this Undead Gods bullshit still exists as a constant thorn and distraction.
When I mention the 'CoS', I am not singling out every individual member. I'm discussing the CoS as an entity, a group as a whole within my criticism.
But one individual I will point out as the "smooth talking con-artist" I mentioned, is Nemo. He obviously has a working relationship with Gilmore on some level.
His silence on this matter is an outright disrespect to all concerned members, in my opinion.
Yes, it is all BS and I wish I would have known what I now know about the ToV before I ever considered showing support for the CoS.
Even the Preface to the Satanic Bible warns one about Vampire Bibles and undead Gods and other such mystical claptrap.
I still can't understand how any true Satanist is not ashamed and angered that the ToV is associated with the CoS.
The reason I am upset is because I read Anton LaVey's writings and I am seeing many contradictions, especially, with the ToV issue.
I really don't think he would not have continued supporting such non-sense if he was alive today and that is what disturbs me the most because I have strong respect for Anton LaVey's vision and feel some have lost respect for it by supporting the ToV.
Gilmore warned us.
Even Nemo warned us.
And you still have sympathy for people who fall into the trap.
Let Nemo take their money. The suckers deserve to lose it. Even the Doctor respected men who prey on the weak-minded, he would love the Temple of the Vampire, he would laugh all the way to the bank. I sure do.
And why the hell should Gilmore write back to you? Read his essay on Intellectual Black Holes to learn why he hasn't.
This is just deplorable and people who do that are weak of character in my opinion. There is nothing intelligent or powerful about this. It's just plain shady.
You see, it is this very same type of mentality and misinterpretation of Satanism that has turned this organization into a cesspool.
Lesser magic does NOT equate to mistreating people who do not deserve such treatment.
This is such typical behavior among the weak and insecure, hence why this "might is right" "conquer the weak" interpretation of Satanism is so attractive to many. Satanism is so much deeper than this, yet that is all most people seem to get out of it.
>>Even the Doctor respected men who prey on the weak-minded, he would love the Temple of the Vampire, he would laugh all the way to the bank. I sure do.<<
You're wrong there. It doesn't take a lion to feed on pond scum. And LaVey was well aware of that.
I don't even care if Nemo believes his own lies.
The only people who lose are the weak. The Church of Satan does not exist to protect the weak, even its own weak. They don't have to earn mistreatment, mistreatment is universal. They have to earn good treatment.
If they join the Temple, they will be mistreated and they will deserve it.
Lions eat whatever they want.
I don't think so. The Church of Satan has lost a lot of credibility, trust and respect from it's own members and even more so now from the public.
What are you defining as weak? I think it is quite the other way around.
I can't say every Satanist or CoS member who joined the ToV is weak. When asked why they joined, most will tell you that the reason they decided to look into this was because people they highly respect and look up to are involved, so there must be something of value in the Temple. At worse they were being naive and if they are really true to themselves as Satanists they realize the truth sooner than later.
I think it is weaker to be dishonorable. If this is the only way the Church of Satan and ToV know how to be successful that is a pretty low standard.
>>They don't have to earn mistreatment, mistreatment is universal. They have to earn good treatment. <<
I see. So you behave like an asshole to everyone you come across until you deem they deserve good treatment. How exactly does this work?
Perhaps you need to be reminded of the 4th Satanic Statement:
"Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it; instead of love wasted on ingrates."
I think members who shell out $200 for membership as well as support other CoS endeavors are deserving of that kindness.
The Church of Satan loses no credibility for being as sharp in practice as it is on paper.
If they value money more than credibility, that is their prerogative. If they lose you or another whiner as a member, that is their loss for it. If they shoot themselves in the foot then they will limp. But they are not limping.
Dishonor has nothing to do with weakness. Only weakness does. The most powerful men in the world are the most powerful because of dishonorable acts. Honor is moral, so honor is relative.
Two hundred dollars does not buy kindness from me. A red card does not buy respect from me. Actions earn both. The action of joining a cult loses both.
The Church of Satan freely offers literature warning everyone about cults. I would think less of them if they did not take advantage of anyone who ignores the warning.
Their support, promotion and endorsement to the ToV says otherwise.
>>Two hundred dollars does not buy kindness from me. A red card does not buy respect from me. Actions earn both.<<
Of course it doesn't buy kindness. One never knows the true intentions of people who join the church. But it's a show of support none the less. What of those who went beyond the red card and are active in the CoS? They are giving something back, yet it is they who are being taken advantage of as well.
I know quite a few Warlocks, Reverends and Agents involved in the ToV who really do not have a clue because they have gotten sucked in through friendship or admiration of Magister Nemo and company.
None of these people would have joined the ToV had not the CoS endorsed it. When the organization they support and affiliate themselves with endorses such things, confusion as well as curiosity sets in. It's natural.
The freaks that Magister Nemo pulls in from his ads in the tabloids and goth clubs are a totally different entity altogether. No excuse there. These types of people are normally attracted to such nonsense.
>>The action of joining a cult loses both.<<
May I also remind you that half the Council once belonged to the cult of Temple of Set? There you go. The ruling body doesn't even practice what they preach and old habits die hard.
>>The Church of Satan freely offers literature warning everyone about cults. I would think less of them if they did not take advantage of anyone who ignores the warning.<<
Very misleading and retarded since they hand out Bunco Sheets with one hand and ToV pamphlets with the other. Lets not also forget that when people try to discredit the ToV in any way, they get blacklisted. If the Church of Satan were really using the ToV as a form of culling, why blacklist people who want nothing to do with the cult?
Those are your words and not mine. 😉
And that is what the Church of Satan is doing.
It doesn't matter how high and mighty a person thinks they are. No one is immune to lies or betrayal.
When the ToV first came unto the scene, they were a joke among Satanists. Once upon a time, when you were able to speak freely about that subject on LttD, it was pretty prevalent that no one gave a damn about them or took them seriously.
90% of CoS members who join now ONLY did so because they see that people they respect among the hierarchy as well as other intelligent good standing members are joining. So, naturally they are going wonder why and investigate.
Any thinking person would.
I did the same myself years ago. I wondered what it was I could possibly be missing. I wasn't trying to follow everyone. It was just mere curiosity. All I needed to do was read The Vampire Bible to figure out it was a bunch of bull with absolutely no value. That was it for me.
Others were not so lucky. For members who are more involved than I was, they still feel like they are missing the big picture. Especially when Nemo speaks to them very cryptically. That is his great tactic to make you wonder if YOU are the one with the problem and are just not comprehending the true hidden knowledge. Other ToV members have caught on and pretend like they get and use the same cryptic mumbo jumbo. In reality they still have no clue what is going on. They just mimic Nemo's tactic to make it seem as if they do.
No one likes to feel as if they are missing out on something, so they keep digging never realizing that there is no hidden knowledge. Nemo will never make them stop believing that however.
One of the reasons I did not get sucked in (other than being smart) was because I've always been a lone wolf. I'm not as active as most people are in the CoS. However, I do know everyone, interact with them and have been around long enough to witness all of the important things and have inside information from the people who matter.
Most members I speak to are either friends with Nemo and company or they admire them and seek their approval a little too much that they are in complete denial. Out of all the hierarchy, he's the only one that comes off as the gentle, wise old father figure guiding his lost children.
Show me otherwise and I will give you more credit.
Show me the Warlocks, Reverends and Agents you know who have been suckered in and I'll credit you more. I know of only a few Warlocks, no Reverends and no Agents who are in the Temple. There are two Magisters but one is Nemo and the other is said to be his close friend. I cannot blame friends for playing in friends sandboxes. Do not tell me to look over Letters to the Devil for Vampire tags. You made the claim; you support it. I see you have had no problem naming names here before. Make a blacklist of vampire hierarchy for the Dakkar Grotto if you prefer.
I would also like to know how you knew which Magisters are on the council. Then prove which of its members were once Setians. I know of none. The Temple of Set is not the Temple of the Vampire. Even Michael A. Aquino's books detail differences that are very relevant here. They can be downloaded at xeper.org.
I have never heard of a card carrying member of the Church of Satan being blacklisted for anti-vampyric activity. I find this suggestion preposterous. Show me this blacklist, name who is on it and tell us what they did and how they were punished or rescind this absurd accusation against the Church.
Where did you pull this >>>90% of CoS members who join now ONLY did so because they see that people they respect among the hierarchy as well as other intelligent good standing members are joining<<< hosh-posh from? Did you conduct a study or pull it from your ass? Members LOOK at the Temple because they see others involved. But they would only join if it appealed to them.
Yes, Nemo is a charlatan. No point in arguing that. He used to be even worse. For the record, he is not Lucas Martel. Lucas Martel is the real name of another Church of Satan member who left to found the Temple of the Vampire decades ago.
And do not mistake me for a proponent of the Old Age theory. I see no conspiracy. Only a sick and profitable joke that has yet to go too far.
>>>However, I do know everyone, interact with them and have been around long enough to witness all of the important things and have inside information from the people who matter.<<<
Everyone? You don't even know me. Unless you are Magistra Jantsang or Jesus of Borg you are a liar. All 3 are deplorable. Tell your story if it's so rich. Otherwise you're pulling the same cryptic bullshit as Nemo himself.