Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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The bodiless, immortal "Vampires" got to him. Sucked him dry of his "Lifeforce."
Just as the Cryonics Community is in danger of tarnishing it's fragile reputation by associating with an organization like the ToV, the CoS is also compromising it's integrity by harbouring Nemo, David and anyone else who flies that banner.
The ToV and it's dangerous, fairytale antics are totally contradictory to the foundation that Dr. LaVey created,and to put it simply is a slap in the face to all those who work at maintaining the legitimacy of the Satanic Philosophy.
In that same light the ToV will damage what Ben Best and the rest of the Cryonic pioneers have worked so long and hard to create.
When I think of Cryonics I don't want to think of Vampires! Can you imagine what that association would do to the future advancement of Cryonics?
Ben Best...Do what's right for the legitimacy of your cause.
Peter Gilmore...Do what's right for the legacy.
So this has turned into a crusade and I hope my efforts bear more fruitful results in the future!
Hail Satan!
Actually, I have not signed up or made a post using the name "Private" on LTTD. And private is just a name I use here on MoH.
And what some here are saying about LTTD is not too far from the truth which is why I avoid LTTD myself.
Obviously, some are not capable of original thought or forming their own identity and opinions so they are parroting me.
I also found another anti-Temple post in a vampire forum that had an individual quoting one of my posts on here and claiming it as their own words.
Posers! Lol! 😛
The ToV and CoS are "two separate organizations" yet the CoS and some of its members openly support the ToV, as stated here many times.
However, when I was a member of the ToV there were a few members that were outspoken about their dislike of the CoS. I can think of one Adept that did not like the CoS at all.
Basically, some ToV members felt that the CoS was just a supplement to the ToV Dayside (or similar to the ToV's "superior" Dayside teachings) and some other ToV members felt Satanism was beneath them and too limiting as "Vampire Gods and Rulers of the earth". 😊
And the reason some felt it was too limiting was because some felt many CoS members downplay Greater Magic and almost treat it as unnecessary or even useless in Satanism. I even had a CoS member tell me that LTTD was a waste of time and that I would be better off on the ToV board if I was interested in Greater Magic because CoS members tend not to talk much about Greater Magic. They also said that I would like the more friendly atmosphere of the ToV board verses the Satanic-political-correct and antagonistic atmosphere of LTTD.
And, keep in mind, as said here in earlier posts, members of the Temple also come from many different left hand path and right hand path occult backgrounds. Yes, the KOOKS were there too. 😉
Then again, at least I have to give them credit for trying to help spread awareness so I will not be too hard on them. :coolsmirk:
Anyway, it is also good that some new people have entered this forum with their perspectives as well.
I do wonder if any ex-Adepts or other ex-members could offer some more thoughts here.
P.s. And ex-members are reading this forum so we know who is full of it and who is just trying to get attention.
And I have help from a current "Adept" from within their ranks.
😉
I've been looking into the ToV myself, and I have read the VB (and will soon read the rest, since I downloaded them as well)I concluded that I want to know what they have to offer, but thanks to you, I won't have to give them my hard earned money. So...Thank You!
Despite all the negative things said about the ToV, their motto 'test everything, believe nothing' has been something I have lived by for years. I'm just really sorry that they preach one thing, and act on another.
I will be WATCHING! (this post I mean, hahahaha)
Hey, by the way...do 'we' have/want an insider in the ToV who can update the info about them???
Forever,
Mouse 😉
We do.
I'm still hung over by all the info!
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=604312756&ref=ts
He has a couple of ToV members as friends, yet he claims not to add people he does not know. Perhaps these people are signed up for Cryonic Suspension.
David Styles is still on his friends list too and David still seems pretty active with the Cryonics Institute.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000149687434&v=wall
Pretty sad this cult has to ruin the reputation of cryogenics.
And, really, its reputation is shoddy at best, even without the ToV, since it's nothing but insubstantiated pseudoscience. It's a sci-fi pipedream, and people may have hope that some day science will get to a point where they can revive dead cells, but that truly is a baseless hope.
It's almost as sad as ToV members thinking they'll be able to survive after death by siphoning off human Lifeforce.
At least we're keeping the OoP's busy!
How is everyone doing?
They're now showing "testimonials" from their members.
They're getting more and more like Christianity day by day.
"212 245 2329"
and this is th actual location of the church of satan!
this is the location of the CoS
Location of po box, a few streets down from their apartment
Wow!You've obviously been able to track down alot of info, I commend your efforts!
I myself escaped from the insanity of the ToV a few years back, what is a good email add to reach you at? We need to talk... 😉
~7tesA
😊
http://www.vampiretemple.com/buddhistchallenge.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/vampirechallenge.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/grade1.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/day.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/night.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/law.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/faq.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/motto.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/temple.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/order.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/index.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/attraction.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/future.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/secrets.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/vampirism.html
Thanks in advance! 😊
http://www.vampiretemple.com/grade2.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/grade3.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/grade4.html
http://www.vampiretemple.com/grade5.html
Proselytizing in any form is not compatible with Satanism and should be noted by all members of the CoS Priesthood!
We all know what TSB says about Proselytizing.
I can see with the Church of Satan or the ToV it being pointless to give them ANY of your money because they will, eventually, chew you up and spit you out in the end.
I have seen this happen over and over watching their boards and reading about the CoS's past for years.
The turnover with both of these organizations is so high that it should be a warning sign to anyone considering showing these organizations ANY support.
You can be a Satanist or Vampire (if you believe in such things) without having to join either organization.
If they disagree that you are either then who cares, as if their opinion matters in the first place.
I am beginning to think it is best to be "independent" and not fool with any organization or CULT.
Its obvious that either organization has no respect for its own members UNLESS they lube their butts up and place their lips on them and walk on verbal eggshells. I do agree with them that if you don't follow the basics of the Satanic Bible then you are not a Satanist as defined by LaVeyan Satanism. However, it seems that if anyone disagrees with the higher ups on anything they always throw the "your not a Satanist" line in your face. In other words, they try to censor you and throw the baby out with the bathwater rather than hearing you out. This hasn't happened to me yet I have seen many with simple misunderstandings get torn to pieces on LTTD by assholes trying to get brownie points for being internet tough guys. I guess some think that being a Satanist means having the biggest intellectual e-penis or something and I am sick of these douchebags.
And the CoS may deny it yet I see so much herd mentality on its boards from its own members giving intellectual rim jobs to higher ups.
Furthermore, you have to like what they like and act like they act or they try to say your not a Satanist.
They will say the CoS is "diverse" yet it seems they have no tolerance of diversity.
You are so right! saying that to others is trying to conform someone to their own image! And I think we all know that's the whole essence of being a sheep. Christians do that all the time...
I agree with you people on the ToV, but I am interested in the use of Lifeforce. What's wrong with being a predator amongst sheep? I'd use their stupidity for my own well being rather than discarding it all together.
I think that part is perfectly compatible with Satanism, except for the part where you are blindly sucked in their money scam (and the undead god bullshit!), but if one is aware of that...what's the harm?
Could anyone tell me if I read correctly that everything about Lifeforce can be found in:
The House Kheperu Vampire Codex aka the Psychic Vampire Codex? Where can I find this book?
And what exactly is The Asetian Bible about?
Thanks.
Are you still around?
What's wrong with it is that it is "Hokey" B.S.
Just a bunch of "white-light" pipedreams!
You ever see those baptists who speak in tongues? Do you really think that they are doing what they claim they are doing?
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"However, it seems that if anyone disagrees with the higher ups on anything they always throw the "your not a Satanist" line in your face."
I disagree with this statement with the exception of bringing up association or intolerance of the ToV.
I would say that if you disagree with a "higher-up" on say LttD, then you should be able to back up your theory(s). Most of the people that you are interacting with, or as you say (higher-ups) are fairly intelligent and (with the exception of a few) are in their positions because they earned that right.
I have been a member of that particular board for quite some time now and can't recall a response by a "higher-up" being one in which somebody was denounced as a Satanist just because he/she disagreed (in logical conversation) to what was being discussed.
Some people are Satanists and some people aren't, some people don't realize that their skin isn't as thick as they thought until they actually feel the heat, the heat comes with the territory.
My world doesn't stop though because of my hatred for the Old-Cripple and his fluffers. I have many friends withing the CoS who feel the same way I do about the ToV, and I know that we will eventually prevail.
The Lifeforce stuff isn't the problem. If people want to do that, it's totally fine and amounts to Greater Magic, in any case. It's the Undead God BS and the sheep mentality that's the problem.
You can find a free online copy of the Psychic Vampire Codex, by Michelle Belanger, on the sacre-texts.com website:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/goth/vc/index.htm
I haven't read the whole thing, but it does seem to have a lot of overlap with the ToV stuff.
'The Lifeforce stuff isn't the problem. If people want to do that, it's totally fine and amounts to Greater Magic, in any case. It's the Undead God BS and the sheep mentality that's the problem.'
I totally agree.:coolsmile:
'You can find a free online copy of the Psychic Vampire Codex, by Michelle Belanger, on the sacre-texts.com website'
Thanks!
'I haven't read the whole thing, but it does seem to have a lot of overlap with the ToV stuff.'
So it seems...there's a chapter about 'otherside beings' :blank:
Yeppers 😊 Check your email...
Thanks!
LadyRhiana's real name is Sarah. I believe she's with the OoP's, also. For a while she was a moderator in Lifeforce. I don't know if she still is. She is a writer and editor.
She was engaged to Adept Strahd, but they broke up a few years back. There was a lot of talk about this in Lifeforce for a while. They even had a row on the general discussion forum.
Does Nemo REALLY believe this crap? Or is it just a money tool?
What about the other higher-ups? Real belief or money?
But I had many exchanges with other Adepts in CABAL and from what went on in these gatherings it seemed that they actually believe all that bullshit. I believed it myself - or desperately wanted it to be true, to the point of self-deception.
As for Nemo and his OoP's. I'm not too sure. Do they believe in it? Is it just money? Perhaps both.
I have read all of the downloadable "Bibles" except for the Priesthood one which I cannot find. I would be greatly pleased if one of the ex-members (Adepts perhaps?) could explain the ToV technique of "Flying the Dragon".
Specifically, does the ToV view OOBEs as a wake induced lucid dream which the member shapes so that it conforms to his/her waking life?
Hoping for a reply and sincerely yours,
Sly
Sly,
The ToV doesn't have a simple explanation of any experience. It proposes a curious deviance from mainstream "reality models" as far as it nudges a prospective student in adopting these specific perspectives long enough to see them as valuable and workable in his or her everyday living. It isn't dismissive of other possible points of view as a consequence, only guidingly corrective toward technique when necessary. More simply the Temple is more concerned with praxis over dogma, and hence is a heuristic discipline.
Not a small part of understanding what the Temple is all about comes through the intimate communication and meeting with the few people in the past and present who successfully achieved the goals of the Temple ("the Undead Gods" in Temple parlance). Anyone interested enough can explore further through active membership and involvement.
I appreciate your quick reply, but you did not answer my question. I am well aware of objectivism, platonic idealism and the
philosophical concepts known as the idios kosmos and the koinos kosmos, all of which clash with Traditional Satanism and its materialistic view of the world.
What I do find suspicious is the concept of "all-powerful" Undead Gods. Bear in mind that I come from back-country Dalmatia, where villagers still leap over midsummer bonfires and oral tradition about the Gentry is still strong. What I read about the Undead in the Bibles (the Witches Sabbath and the 8th Law) as well as what I heard from Nemo on Art Bell (the lifeforce-information exchange in communion) is similliar to the theories of Jacques Vallee and Graham Hancock (in his book "Supernatural") as well as to the stories I have been told by my elders.
However, I dismiss here any belief in the supernatural thereby taking a simple scientific world-view. I would like to know the ToV method of inducing lucid dreams / OOBEs. Even if we agree that OOBEs are "just dreams", from a Traditional Satanic point of view it would be a shame to waste 1/3 of my life in an oblivion of unawareness.
My plan is to induce a lucid dream and then use verbal commands / emotional expectation to shape my dream surroundings to conform to my waking life thereby inducing an "OOBE". If I effect the material world in such state of dreaming and "return" to my body and confirm the results of my "dreaming" then the supernatural will become natural. Furthermore, by eliminating the prospect of "returning to a body" and that of "dreaming" the state of Twilight will be (empirically) attained.
And all this without a need for some Undead "Gods". Yeah, yeah, I would need some "Agreement" not to go insane and that stuff. But by the Temples 9th Law other minds are also an illusion / facets of ones own self, right?
Sincerely,
Sly
P.S. Yes, I have read the posts of other people here, and yes, I am aware that most of you wish to remove the ToV from CoS. It is not my intention to hijack your discussion; and I cannot join the ToV nor CoS as I do not meet the age requirement.