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Yes, Hail Satan or whatever.

Yea man - Hail Satan man!

Yes, Hail Satan or whatever.
Posted by Joan Jett in Black Toad on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 07:03 PM
Yea man - Hail Satan man!
Posted by Slash in Pickton on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 07:05 PM

If you don't have an opinion about The Temple of the Vampire in this forum then you are either a troll and/or flamer.

And trying to make fun of Satanists here has nothing to do with the topic and doesn't hurt the Satanist's feelings at all.

I've seen posts like that deleted by our gracious hosts here at Museum of Hoaxes, although some may think that this discussion isn't Moderated, it is very much so...

All the same, I know where snide remarks like that derive from.

Too a point it's expected.

Hail Satan!

Hail EiS!

I don't think the Temple of the Vampire is a ripoff, but I ultimately found it unsatisfying. I returned to Christianity where I now give lots more money (by choice) than I ever gave ToV. I have no hostility for ToV, it just wasn't for me in the end.

"I have no hostility for ToV, it just wasn't for me in the end."

I don't think anybody expects you to have any hostility towards the plastic-fangers.

That's not what this conversation is about, it's not about people figuring out that something is not for them and whether or not they harbor resentment after the fact.

It's about the relationship that exists between the ToV and the Church of Satan, and how the ToV belief system is contradictory to what is stated in TSB.

In the meantime, I think you should up your tithe to your church, I think that your pastor would appreciate it.

In my opinion, I am interested in hearing all ex-members or those who think it is a hoax opinions about the Temple even if their opinions disagree with mine. However, I do feel childish name calling and personal attacks detract from the content here.

I do enjoy the discussions about the ToV/CoS association as well as other viewpoints related to whether or not the ToV is a hoax.

Here is something I ran across on the net today:

http://www.vampiretemple.com/proof.html#home

I do recognize a lot of these names in the testimonials here as testimonies of Temple Adepts.

I do find it very suspicious that they have to post these stories to try to recruit members.

When is the last time you heard of a worldwide secret society of GODS trying to recruit members with infomercials (like on Youtube) and now product testimonies? *chuckles*

I think this makes the Temple look very, shall I say, "desperate". 😊

And I laugh to myself remembering the Temple nitpicking some members for minor petty issues yet made a God out of a whiskey drinking fan of Motley Crue--seriously. Lol! This is just too much and almost comical... 😊

Just wait, once you get inside, all of this lovey-dovey being embraced by the Family BS you read in these testimonies flies out the window real quick for some.

JOIN THEM! :coolgrin:

@Private -

Those testimonials sound so bogus. They are all pretty similar and mimic Nemo's style of writing. Perhaps he edited them.

I don't know how things are now, but I recall members of a ToV cabal tell me that in order to move up in rank (along with paying your way in) you have to write a testimonial of your experience with the teachings for every grade you are applying for. And since most people know what the Temple is looking for after having read The Vampire Bible, most fake their way up the ranks.

This is the only religious organization that I know of besides Scientology that uses quirky testimonials the way one would advertize on an infomercial. :roll:

There's even sappier testimonials somewhere else on the member-only forums. It reads like self-help crap ("The Temple helped me to quit smoking..."--as if you didn't have the guts or willpower to do it yourself before you got in the Temple). TheAbysmals' testimonial, "Voluntas Vitaeviternus," is particularly disgusting in this respect.

And you're right, Private. Nearly all those people are Adepts (Prometheus, AEnigma, AngelVamp, Devilmaycare, Yamatu, Solomon, 2Faced_Babydoll, TheAbysmal, Rosa_Mundi, Inanna, Thos, Nykterion, Draven, Gibor [who I've seen out spamming websites as a temple rep], Ninth_Cimmerian, Izazel).

I really do wonder about these peoples' mental health.

It does sound like someone is a good copywriter. 😏

Furthermore, the big difference between the ToV and CoS is that the CoS does not proselytize or suggest that its members spam forums for converts.

"Of course, at this point you do not know what we know to be true. You do not know that the Undead are real.

However, lack of knowledge does not change anything.

At best, when someone steals from the Gods and then Calls to Them, then They will not answer.

At worst, They will."


Here's a fun one, plastic-fangers trying to warn against reading "unauthorized" copies of the vb.

I wonder who this is......????

Could it be....the Omen!

""Voluntas Vitaeviternus," is particularly disgusting in this respect."

Nahshon I couldn't agree with you more....

I saw this guy get blasted on LttD for trying to mimick Nemo's writing style...

It was hilarious!

Poser!

". . . . .you are either a troll and/or flamer.
However, I do feel childish name calling and personal attacks detract from the content here."

Make up your mind Private.

"Make up your mind Private."

Lol! I hear you. 😊

Ohh Well! 😝 They are probably snickering at us puny humans and bragging to each other about making us their slaves so we are both even. :lol:

I was a TOV member for over five years. I attained the title of Adept and gave them over $800 during this period.

Then one day, not long ago, I decided to "test everything, believe nothing"...and found that it was all a big lie. It was just me in the mirror.

Do you want all the Temple "secrets" revealed?

I'm selling all the bibles and books.

Where do you intend on selling them? I'm fairly certain they go after the people who try to sell them on eBay. (Just so you're aware of that).

In any case, I'm sorry you lost so much time and effort involved in the ToV. May I ask what you were doing the whole time before you actually decided to "Test Everything. Believe Nothing."? Were you just pretending? Do you think the other Adepts were pretending as well?

"Do you think the other Adepts were pretending as well?"


That's a very good question.

I would venture to say that there are Adepts that are pretending (for the sake of the profit) and some who are completely bamboozled!

What do you think, Pretending or Bamboozled?
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"Is it not all a Labyrinth ?

From the moment we are born, we are shown the walls of our surroundings. The rooms, the halls, the staircases. The floor, the ceiling.

We are shown which paths to take, which turns to avoid, which doors to open and which to leave closed. In time we may decide for ourselves the paths we take, which may or may not be what was planned for us.

We learn to open doors. Metal doors, wooden doors, creaky doors, sturdy doors, blocked doors, open doors, locked doors. Removable stones, drapes, hatches, windows, grates and oubliettes.

Sometimes we open doors that we were told to avoid. Sometimes we see a passage where others did not look. Every now and then a curtain may hide half of the room we are standing in. Hallways may lead to doors we never knew existed.

At times we will find directions. Left behind by those who have gone before us, or by those who also dwell in the Labyrinth.

We may choose to follow these directions, or not. They may lead us where they say they will, or not. They may led to a dead end, or to a door we are unable to open. Or they may go on forever.

Time and again, or perhaps only once, we may find an ancient map, or a symbol, or a feeling, that promises to release us from this Labyrinth. We may feel an unexpected wind on our face. We may see Another running down a faraway corridor. We may hear a rapping from an adjacent hallway. A door may swing open when no-one is near.

And if we follow the lure of this experience, we may discover that it leads to a mirror.

One that we can pass through.

And we learn that we are not the only dwellers in the Labyrinth. And that the walls and doors should not confine us.

We learn that the Labyrinth has levels we have never seen before. We learn how to move around in those levels, as well as how to shift between them.

We learn to understand the Labyrinth, to move more swiftly to where we want to be.

We discover hidden shortcuts, crawlspaces, and optical illusions. We learn to walk through the walls. To open doors without touching them. To leave traces of where we have been, or to remove them as needed.

We learn to manipulate the Labyrinth, to bend it to our expectations and desires.

And we learn that it is we ourselves who created this Labyrinth. That there is no need to solve it.

It is not a puzzle.


We need but to stop creating it."

Yeah. eBay. So far so good and I have some good offers on the stuff. I mean, as far as I know, I paid for the stuff so it's mine and I can do whatever I want with them.

Yes, I guess I was pretending. Or as they would call it. "suspension of disbelief". And I am sure that goes for all the others.

I see your eBay auction, and you're doing quite well! Who knows, maybe you'll recoup a good portion of that $800 you spent. 😊

One thing that I find sort of interesting about the Bibles, and which you've proved accurate with the pictures in your auction, is that the skull in the Winged Skull of UR gets progressively more alien-like as you move up in the totem pole and reach access to higher "Teachings." I've mentioned in earlier posts that the Temple utilizes a constructed language called aUI (which was reported by its author to have been received from a "little green space man"), which confirms to me that the "Teachings" are just a bad amalgamation of occult energy techniques, pseudo-Vedantic philosophy, alien conspiracy theories, and supposedly Sumerian concepts, overlaid with a thin veneer of Vampirism.

It's kooky religion at its finest.

I desperately wanted it all to be true. The promises of immortality, wealth and pleasure got me hooked. I wanted it all.

But now I realise I can be happy with what I have. A beautiful wife, a clean, healthy life, no secrets, nothing occult. And I know I can live long if I look after myself.

I am happy being normal. I love my life the way it is and I'm happy. The TOV took much from my life.

Then one day, not long ago, I decided to "test everything, believe nothing"...and found that it was all a big lie. It was just me in the mirror.

I hope you don't mind me asking this and I don't understand how you made it to Adept and discovered it was all a lie? So what led you to the final conclusion that it was all a lie?

And did you have any experiences that validated the teachings from the vampire bibles because you made it to Adept?

And what do you mean by it was just you in the mirror so could you please explain what you mean by this?

Thank You :coolsmile:

Like I said, I desperately wanted it all to be true so I told myself it was true. As for any "experiences" - well, it was all in my head.

I meant just that - it was just me in the mirror. My reflection. Nothing else. No Undead Gods. Nothing but my own reflection.

Why debate any further? It's all lies.

Lu Yang,

You did the right thing. Good luck on your Ebay auction. I just took a peek and see that perhaps you will at least get half your money back!

I just downloaded all of the Vampire Bibles from a bit torrent. Well, all except the Priesthood Bible was available. Found a zip file containing, The Vampire Bible, Predator Bible, Sorcerer Bible, Adept Bible and Bloodlines.

I'm actually reading the Sorcerer Bible right now having already read the other first two years ago. This one is just as deluded and disappointing. Also a slow read because of that small annoying hard to read font they use. There are loads of typos as well.

I was once told they print the Bibles this way so that the reader can pay closer attention and retain the material. Truthfully, it actually masks the simplicity, short length of the books and all of the bullshit. When I'm done reading I'll fill you all in on some of the highlights and important texts. I'll even copy and paste sections here. 😉

It's sick to think that any Satanist would associate him/herself with such a hoax.

Why debate any further? It's all lies.

I didn't mean to put you on the defensive, I was only curious and wasn't trying to "debate" with you or judge you.

And thank you for sharing your experience with everyone here and I expect more to do the same.

Oh, no. I'm not in the defensive. I was referring to some of the people who were arguing in some of the comments. 😊

I'll even copy and paste sections here.

I understand why you want to do this and you will detract from this forum by doing so. It would be a copyright infringement and they would contact the MoH site to have it removed.

Sorry to be a buzzkill and you know how they are. 😖

Private,

You may very well be correct. I won't post it here. It's not worth having MOH removed. If anyone is curious I guess they can download it on bit torrents. All of the bibles with the exception of the Priesthood Bible is there under one zip file.

You know...when someone comes on here claiming to fake being an adept in the tov for 5 years or whatever makes me wonder how fucking stupid is that person...i mean LOL wow..spent over 800 dollars to pretend? and another thing...if you lied to the temple for over 5 years and spent over 800 bux on their stuff why should anyone take your word for anything? btw i am pretty sure the temple planned on people being retarded and faking their way so they gladly accepted their money....i mean if they are retarded enough to give it....anyways have a great day!

Stupid? Maybe not. Retarded? Well, no. Mr Lu Yang doesn't come across as mentally handicapped. Gullible? Perhaps a little.

It's easy for religious leaders to ensnare their followers with promises of eternal life, bliss, salvation, etc. But that does not make all of these people "retarded".

I think the last poster seems more retarded as he is unable to capitalise his I's and uses truly retarded netspeak terms such as "LOL", along with dismal punctuation and grammar.

Damn, I've fetched more than

I don't think that our friend Lu Yang claimed to "fake being an Adept" anywhere on their posts'.

I think that your interpretation of what you read is biased by your effort to justify your recent investments.....if you catch my drift.

Mr. "curious" or is it Mr. "by curious", have you contemplated that possibly $800 to Lu Yang might not be the same $800 that it is to you.

I can understand that you would be offended by the thought of throwing money around when it would probably take you months if not years to get $800 via your paper-route.

I think you should be humble in your decision to send Nemo your money as I'm sure you already have.

Ok...exercise over...

"Damn, I've fetched more than

"I'm glad you salvaged something from that experience."


I'll second that notion!

Good job and nice set-up on Ebay!

Darn! Ebay... I shouldn't have ripped my books up and flushed them down the toilet. And I guess I shouldn't have defaced my ring with pliars and a hammer and threw it in the garbage. Lol! (unashamed net speak) 💋 RFLOL! 🐍

Sine we are nitpicking about grammar and shit..I'll be more clear and concise.

Here is what Lu Yang said and I quote: "Yeah. eBay. So far so good and I have some good offers on the stuff. I mean, as far as I know, I paid for the stuff so it's mine and I can do whatever I want with them.

Yes, I guess I was pretending. Or as they would call it. "suspension of disbelief". And I am sure that goes for all the others.
Posted by Lu Yang in The West on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 12:59 PM"


He spent over 800 dollars pretending. If that's not retarded then I don't know what is.

By the way...I am not a member of the Church of Satan nor the Temple of the Vampire...I just find this forum amusing LOL

Curious: look in the mirror to find out!

where is that auction on ebay? can't find it

If you have a copy of the first Bloodlines book, you should really check out pages 47-52, where Nemo explains the parallels and paradoxes between Satanism and Vampirism. It's really rather obscene, as Nemo tries to compare the ToV's ridiculous Nightside view of things to satanic ritual activity. He claims that this is exactly the same thing--but it clearly isn't, as anyone on here can tell you. Satanists aren't deluded enough to think that the things that happen in the decompression chamber are "real"; Vampires are. That's the issue.

It might be in that section, or it may be somewhere else, but Nemo outright says that the Temple's philosophical view is idealistic monism, the belief that mind (not matter) is the only thing which exists. That's in direct conflict with the Church of Satan's materialistic view of life. The ToV thinks everything is pure consciousness, and the Church of Satan thinks that everything is pure matter. That's obviously a huge disconnect.

The Temple's idea of idealistic monism fuels a religious philosophy based on TIAMAT, the ancient Sumerian goddess of chaos reinterpreted as the ground of all being. The point of Vampirism, as practiced by the ToV, is to deidentify with the self/ego and realize that everything is really TIAMAT, that TIAMAT, the Dragon, is the only thing which really exists. This realization is the basis for the ToV's claims of immortality. Once you realize that you're really the Dragon, you live forever.

This is almost exactly the same thing as Advaita Vedanta. Hindus who adhere to Advaita believe practically the same thing. The universal Brahman is all that exists, and the atman (personal soul) is just a small part of the Brahman. It is really only the Brahman which exists, experiencing everything simultaneously as all the things in existence. The only real difference is that Hindus believe in an undying soul, and the ToV doesn't.

The ToV also doesn't believe this is the only life, like they claim. They believe in a form of reincarnation, enfleshment is probably a better term, whereby an Arisen Vampire who has deidentified with the self and become one with the Dragon can take over the body of an unsuspecting human victim. He can then live out his life in that body until it dies, and he has to choose another one.

Ridiculous? Yes. Spiritual hogwash? Most definitely.

Thank you "Nahshon in Nowhereville" for your excellent contribution that was very well written.

I have to agree that what you wrote, especially about the Advaita Vedanta, this is very accurate and true in my opinion.

Good job! :coolsmile:

Goddamn...I said Goddamn!

Good job Nahshon in Nowhereville...you summed it up!

Nahshon I've been meaning to ask you...You ever been to the site where the "Black House" once stood?

Really though, good rundown!

No, I've never been to the spot where the Black House used to be, but some day I'd like to see it.

No, I've never been to the spot where the Black House used to be, but some day I'd like to see it.

Well... I hope you like looking at condos.

"Well... I hope you like looking at condos."

Yes, I've seen that picture before. They're really hideous condos too.

Do you think that the people who live in that Condo realize the signifigance their lot?

Paint that place black and it would be a legacy! If I had the extra money, I would try and buy the place and paint it black just for the Hell of it...no pun intended!

It's a shame the Black House could not be salvaged. It was such an important part of Church of Satan History. Anyone know why the CoS could do nothing about it? I can't imagine the house being very expensive especially being that it was in disrepair. I also remember the CoS accepting donations from members.