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That is understandable.

However, Belangers views are of a more philosophical and esoteric manner, and master Gilmore might see her pursuit as an interesting angle of reality or mental stimulation. The same can be said about Dalai Lama. He might be a dawdling old fool wasting his kindness on others, but observing, deciphering and understanding his viewpoints is interesting, no matter how much his stance on matters deviate from my own.

I would agree that the V-Codex is something that could be considered more of a therapeutic-meditative approach to mental balance. I believe that Meditation is useful, I also believe that there are many types of Meditation Practices and wouldn't be so harsh as to rule any out or consider any to be better than another. I am skeptical about the Vampiric twist as put forth by any V-Syndicates or Codex but would be completely willing to leave myself open to become Awoken (if that were the case) by any Vampire willing to do so. I will never bow to any God dead or undead nor will I ever surrender a penny to anybody who tells me that they have the key to the Universe. On that I would extend an invitation to any Vampire to "test my potential" according to which ever Codex/Bible they may follow on the terms that all events will be taken 100% seriously and without predjudice. Also to know that the results of any such test would be posted here for all to see, without exaggeration. My email address is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), feel free to contact me with your invitation.

Sand...it's a pleasure.

i do not like any kind of vampire powers in my house as it is the kingdom of Jesus. not even the picture of and such vampire powers that makes worst my house.

The Vampire Codex is interesting but it's mostly a bunch of metaphysical garbage.
The author cranks out books like pancakes and the public gobbles it up.

Likewise, mr Rupert.

And it is good to see Van Helsing has studied the codex methodically and has based his deductions on impartial judgement and not on presumptions on the non-existense of the supernatural.

We are however, at odds in this and several other issues.

I have found that exercises similar to the ones relayed in the Codex, combined with some similar exercises as presented by the "Good Doktor" (that we so Revere) are very useful to me personally in my balance of everyday life and decompression. There is no limit to the different combinations of which the Black Flame may be utilized.

There are limits to the extent of which I choose to apply fantasy into my forms of decompression. There are different elements of which I pay attribute in ritual, all symbolic of natural forces, forces that cannot be denied, forces labeled and caste, set as a guideline by the Codifier. I have not shut myself off as one who can't accept new symbolism into my ways, as I have already done so, symbolism that now compliments me caste. I do feel it a mockery though to,under the umbrella of an Ideology use it's mysticism to market fantasy as a true credible force, only because it's host doctrine can easily be interpreted to allow for such crude dogmatic jumble.

It is obvious to me how some feed off of Sycophant rhetoric, and without it wouldn't have a pot to piss in. Would that not be considered "fishing from the pond"?

"Fishing from the chamber pot" is probably closer to the mark. Depends on how stale the waters are.

Wicca is essentially close to the mark. Unfortunately many circles find "The Truth" and stop looking further. Faith and outlook is by nature dynamic, and adhering to one dogma, one method means stagnation. Syncretism is a natural part of belief.

In essence: "Whatever works..."

Ahhh....Makes perfect sense, the "chamber pot/pond" has become ever so stale as of late, there are only a few estranged minnows to be gobbled up in comparison to the boils of even a year ago. I'll bet income is down.

Ah so my plan is working all hail the dark ones mwhahah mwhahaha. (joke) but its good to c this fat ripoff lose it all i can only hope he has no way to start another bogus cult. IN YOUR FACE NEMO

This "Nemo" from TOV has garnered my attention. So has anyone actually figured this dude himself out? This Cult leader? Why did he initially leave the Church of Satan for the Temple of Set? Are they not arch rivals? Then did he leave the TOS or get kicked out? I heard he got pissed and left because he didn't get accepted by the Priesthood there. But this might not be accurate. Maybe he started spouting off about other undead gods to them.

Anyone know if he had any contact with the "Order of the Vampyre" while in the Temple? Then he goes BACK to the COS and gets made a Magister? Really?

I read his articles and the articles of Rex Church in the Ruby Tablet of Set. It's some of the same stuff as in the vampire adept bible.

but I really am curious as to the origins of all this. If we can get back and find out what happened we might figure out what the TOV and Nemo is about unless it is all about money.

Aside from all that I can not stand the way some of the "Temple" members write With Every Word Capitalized because it's supposed to change the meaning of the words. It'd be fuunny as all get-out if it wasn't so sad. Go to The Letters to the Devil forum and read some of that claptrap.

One dude just wrote a whole message like that lol.

"we have to understand that They are watching You and if They wish They come to You and blah blah fuckity blah"

Tug

It's obvious by now that most questions about Nemo cannot be answered. Review the pages of this thread and you will see what I mean.
At this point, he is untouchable because his money just keeps on rolling in. This will continue as long as the maxim 'there is a sucker born every minute' prevails.
Nemo is slick. He's like Teflon.

This is precisely why this thread has been reduced to two people stroking each other with their 'supernatural' gibberish that belongs off of this web site and into their own respective personal mailboxes.
The most hilarious aspect is that they cannot take any criticism - just like Nemo himself.

I'm a member of the CoS and I've noticed that other members have voiced their dislike/frustration with the ToV. This association of the two groups is surely weakening the integrity of the CoS.
The only 'vampire' in the ToV is Nemo himself. It's a shame that there are so many members who have stayed too long in the ToV, only to realize that Nemo has been sucking them off right from the beginning.

Anyone browsing the two main Cos endorsed web sites (Letters to the Devil and Undercroft) will notice that Magnus Gilmore is almost marginalized as far as respect and praise - compared to the high regard Anton LaVey still holds in the circle of practicing Satanists.

It's too bad that we have to watch the ToV virus play itself out. As long as Gilmore endorses the ToV, Nemo will remain a factor in splintering the ever-splintering Church of Satan.

But believe it or not, this is what happens to any group, going way back in time - no matter what organization it is. Things splinter. It's a natural human flaw.
We just have to see what comes out in the wash

"This is precisely why this thread has been reduced to two people stroking each other with their 'supernatural' gibberish that belongs off of this web site and into their own respective personal mailboxes.
The most hilarious aspect is that they cannot take any criticism - just like Nemo himself."

Feeling left out, Georgie-boy? Or does the subject not suit your palate? Others less prone to apathy are already scraping at the teflon, but I guess you enjoy being a spectator.

Granted, that I expressed myself somewhat obscurely, so I'll elaborate to make it understandable to poor George.

Understanding the mechanics of faith is essential to undermine Nemo's arguments. Spotting the unnatural lack of development in static religions is useful in dealing with any dogmatic religion, not just the ToV but christianity and the... other... religions as well. And it's not only useful for throwing at other religions, but a good tool to set your personal onthology in perspective.

The reason I pulled House Kheperu into the discussion was to put other uses of the vampire identity into the light. It is interesting, even funny, how the other vampire communities view the ToV as well.

Sand...Quite frankly, I can't recall any examples of you not being able to take criticism. This forum may not hold the best examples but I have seen many "opinion-silencing" opportunities passed on, in exchange for logical debate. For some "High-Ranking Officials" though, "opinion-silencing" seems to be quite the "in-thing" and to pass on one would be uncharacteristic. I always liked George Carlin, it was ashame when he passed.

Is Nemo fat? People keep calling him fat but he looks pretty skinny in the couple of pictures I've seen of him (his avatar on lttd and the one earlier in this thread. Does he have a cane or something too, I've seen a couple people mention that?

Nemo's avatar comes from the Walt Disney movie 20000 Leagues Under the Sea. His avatar is of captain Nemo which is the actor James Mason.

Hmmm...

I wonder if he has permission to use this Walt Disney movie photo/avatar on the front of his new book? If not, then using this image is copyright infringement.

That would be against Temple law and he needs to stop using it or ex-communicate himself from the Temple. Hypocrite... 😉

Movie URL--http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046672/

Nemo's possible copyright infringement book--http://www.cosemporium.com/cp-app.cgi?usr=51H7238641&rnd=3734655&rrc=N&affl;=&cip=71.30.202.105&act;=&aff;=&pg=prod&ref=0112&cat=books&catstr=HOME:books

No, sorry. If you look at his profile on there it's an actual photograph of him taken by another COS priest. That is what he looked like at some point.

Wow! Then what an uncanny and striking resemblance to Nemo in the Walt Disney movie.

No need to be sorry... *smirk* 😉

I like others here do not like Nemo and his mind control cult, but I think bringing his weight into these posts is irrelevant and childish.

Actually his being overweight adds yet another element of hypocrisy of the whole ToV scam. You know, life extension and "living forever." People who are overweight tend to develop heart problems, high blood pressure, and are likely candidates for developing diabetes as well as other serious health conditions which would tend to shorten life, not extend it. Maybe I read the vampire bible wrong.. maybe "feeding" really just means stuffing your face. LOL! Maybe Nemo got his cryonics tank "super-sized" as well.

These things are interesting, but I think this thread is played out.
What is there to add?
The Temple of the Vampire is a slick scam, and as slick scams go, it will continue.
If this forum has come to the point of talking about someone's weight as a defence against the ToV, it's time to call it a day.

Crowe,
I agree

I don't agree, weight it health. Another ToV claim.

Why do people try to end the discussion every other page? Don't you guys see the thread doesn't lock or anything. This discussion goes on... FOREVER! Nemo may even get to follow it long after we're dead.

Yeah, this isn't the LifeForce Forum or LttD where the Moderators rule with an Iron fist and get mad at their own members for "civilian policing" and lock threads as if they had the power of the "Undead Gods" at their finger tips! Nothing is locking, nothing is stopping so stop asking.

I remeber when I first started reading ToV stuff back in the 90's the UnDead Gods where beings who had movied one beyond the flesh and no longer needed a physical body and they where the head and leaders of the TOV and the Vampire Religion.

Now it is being said that the Undead Gods are living in the flesh beings who are the head/leaders of the ToV and the Vampire Religion.

Seems like their promoting a contrary belif now

"Nothing is locking, nothing is stopping so stop asking."

Um . . . Rupert must be the moderator, ya think?

Rupert is merely a fan of the "Museum of Hoaxes", http://www.museumofhoaxes.com.

Actually, moderators (and Alex, the webmaster himself) are patrolling this part of MoH regularly. As mentioned by in an earlier post by Rupert, while some people do go a tad overboard (and yes, some of those overboard responses were removed), most people are reasonable in their discussions here, and we've not felt the need to shut this thread down...yet.

- moderator (yes, a real, genuine moderator)

There are a few posters here who hold positions in organizations which are [in]directly related to the topic, it is not always feasible to continue daily quid pro quo discussion without making identity blatantly obvious. As a result there may be days or posts without discussion that may be relevant to the topic, I can assure you that this is not because the issue has lost steam but maybe because of what I explained above. I for one would like to let my appreciation for the Moderators and Webmaster of http://www.museumofhoaxes.com be known, and let them know that this forum is serving a very purposeful existence.

Why aren't there more web sites that are critical to the ToV?
Is it because the scam isn't that old (as compared to Scientology for example)and there aren't enough ex-vampires to form a cohesive informational front against the temple?

The information I get is telling me that the ToV is highly successful at squashing most criticism appearing on the internet and in other forms of media.

I'm having a hard time finding any "smoking gun" material against the ToV. I suppose this is difficult when you are dealing with scams that are based on faith and metaphysical storytelling.

People will pay money to believe the most outlandish things and forfeit their ability to think critically.

It definately isn't as big as Scientology, and it's founder(s) hasn't written any books to the extent of L. Ron. The smoking gun info is out there, there are quite a few (ex)members who frequent this forum who offer up good info. What I would like to see is a screen-shot of the Lifeforce forums, possibly with some smoking gun type topics or some intimidation of the likes. You know, the good stuff.

Only thing is I don't know if that would shut things down. If you upload a screenshot, someone gets revealed and kicked out. Not only that but I don't know if that would be legal- private, fee collecting club and all.

Edit out any identifying information, like the top corner of the screen where it shows UserID and so-fourth. I would agree that it won't shut things down but it would shed some light on some things. I don't believe that uploading something like that would be tracable, I wouldn't be afraid of any legal ramifications. My email is available a couple of pages back on this thread, you can connect to me privately if you want. Scare tactics are just that Scare tactics.

I second the notion for a screen-shot of LF forums.

Education about the Temple of the Vampire is the only tool we have. If people know what they're in for before they get caught up into it, then a good goal has been met.

I've never actually heard of a well established cult collapsing. If anything, it will just shape shift into something else and keep sucking the people off.

Is there anybody here who can verify whether or not they feel that they were being pressured into making sacrifices to the cause by the ToV. I would ask, how much sacrifice is required once you are lured through the gate, to advance amongst the gods, what is the pay-off for the sacrifice, if it were to exist?

From what I understand, you are being pressured to sacrifice from your wallet from the moment you join. So, the payoff really is entirely not from your end, but from Nemo's end.

Drew-I would agree that Monetary Sacrifice is just that "Sacrifice", the "cause" is Nemo.

Can anyone with Knowledge of the ToV inner-workings tell me how much this is referred to within the ToV?

The Psychology of Persuasion & Influence: Science & Practice, both by Robert B.Cialdini.

That book is one the recommended reading list and is mentioned as one of the "secrets" in the forums.

Count Dorkula

How many Forums are there, I can only imagine what some of the Forum titles are..

BEWARE!

IT IS A TRAP!

They never ever ever EVER mentioned Influence on LTTD until I did here. at least not as far as I remember.

DORKULA, can you post more from there reading list?

Actually, I know Money H. Getmore, he is definately not part of any trap. It is funny, though because I do remember you (777) bringing that book up, now that you mention it. I was pretty caught off guard by the mention of that book, I wonder what level that person holds within the ToV. Is Cialdini part of the ToV, I've been to that page and frankly can't stand people like him and/or Tony Robbins. I definately respect both of their intelegence levels, there is just something about that kind of motivational speaking that disturbs me.

I mean the TOV people- their probably trying to get someone here to say something.

Most likely Nemo reads the stuff posted here and laughs his ass off. He feels perfectly safe with this kind of forum around.

So say something then, this is totally anonymous. Reading list, forum titles, Moderator Names, you know that kind of stuff. Nemo doesn't think that there is any kind of Sacrifice made by ToV members. Nemo is playing-off the fact that the financial contributions that ToV members make go straight into his bank account, the people that make these contributions think that they are completing a circuit that will eventually make them complete Vampires. In all reality all this is doing is making the Financial well-being of one particular Nemo that much stronger. Nemo is using his position within the CoS and the respect that comes along with it to lure in it's members. Nemo, a "master" of Satanic philosophy would never lead people astray, down a path of deceit, a person in that position would only be truthful in his claims....???