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How Did Jesus Really Die?????
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Posted By:
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in McKinney, TX
Jun 08, 2005
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Some people believe that Jesus Didn't die on the cross....Some speculate that He was so dehidrated that the blood flow slowed down so he didn't bleed to death and was awoken by Mary after he was placed in Tomb simply by giving him water....
A new scientific study shows something else. A blood clot???? Here is the link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8139434/
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Lindsay
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 | 04:47 PM
hey i just got back not sure if ill be posting much but ive read a couple of these.
sir stephen im sorry but i have to disagree about it being easier to believe in God. how is humbling yourself to a higher power, admitting you will never know everything, and being completely humilated easier than making the universe fit into your mind and boundries? faith is hard...very very hard. i guess i dont understand that argument because in my life submitting myself to the will of God has been hard. it would be easier...much easier to buy into all of the scientific theories but instead i choose to believe my experince admit i can never know the answers to everything ( very difficult for me lol i hate not knowing things) devote my life to a God that i will be mocked for and walk against the flow of other teens. please elaborate on what you meant.
ive been at a christian camp this past week and many things have blessed me from it. i would like to share a few of them and ask a few questions. i havent walked with God like i used to. i dont have the same fire i had a few months ago..my life has gotten duller since then and ive been lost in many problems...really messed up a relationship and hurt people...i decided that i wanted that passion back os i could surrender my will to Gods and have him run my life. during praise and worship on wed. night i asked God to send someone just to pray for me then...or to give me a message because i felt so hindered it felt as if i couldnt get back into his presence. i asked that he would send someone to help me give my heart to him. on the last song a girl whom i have never seen in my whole life walked up to me, laid a hand on my shoulder and prayed for me..after a while i turned to hug her and she whispered a message in my ear..basically she told me to not hold anything back in my heart and to give it up..she said that God loved me and to stop holding back from him...now this probly isnt going to be as big for you as it was to me but those were the exact words i needed...i needed someone to pray for me and say that to me. why would someone just walk up and say that to me? she didnt know me or my problems but out of 250 and kids she spoke the perfect message to me out of them...why? because God sent her is the right answer but if you have another im curious. God has delt with me in areas of my life...he has told me things that i cant know on my own this week...i wish that i could show you what i have experinced this past week but my brain would not create something like this...it wouldnt create a conflict in my mind where i learn things that i never knew before and got from somewhere in side of me. my purpose right now is not to debate and i hope i dont get sucked into it..i want to tell you what God is doing for me. you cant say its in my mind cuz its not. this being answers by the name of my god...and no other name. He loves you whether you believe that hes real or not, i pray that someday you can share his amazing love and live in such a blessing.
"Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires" my will doesnt always alline with Gods but i follow his anyway and it ends up being right. alot of the time i do want what God wants cuz he wants what is best. |
Lindsay
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 | 05:08 PM
im sorry everyone i am going to go off topic for a moment you may continue on after i say this lol
larry
i really would like to thank you for those very kind words...they mean more than you probly guessed to me and im very glad that ive gotten to meet you. 😊
"As for me? I appreciate the wonderfully kind words you said to me. But, I am very undeserving. I |
Lindsay
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 | 05:22 PM
one more thing
"i did ask god 2 save my aunt. and if god wanted her with him then wats the point of askin him anything?"
death can be very very infortuanite...sometimes the sin of people cause it or lack of prayer..often lack of action. maybe it was her time to go...maybe there wasnt enough prayer. i cant answer all of that i can only trust Gods will..also god cannot override her freewill she may have wanted to live but didnt take the faith or w/e God told her to do to live. God needs us to pray because we are his arms and legs on earth. he is a gentleman and wont intrude on anyhting with out being asked...it over rides our freewill. so we ask God to deal with the situation..sometimes he tells people to do certain things no matter how odd they sound. if the people dont cooperate then the prayer cant be answered. asking God for things is vital but pointless most of the time if people never take action. im sure if it wasnt her time then God didnt want her to but he couldnt change it cuz no one took action...or sumthin. i hope that makes sense lol sorry for hogging the post thats kinda off topic but i havent had time to read all the comments and yours caught my eye. |
Lindsay
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 | 11:05 PM
lol sorry for going so off topic |
joseph
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 | 04:30 AM
Someone asked me to show specific prophesies pointing to Jesus. I will here. The chances of one man fufilling all of these is huge.
<a href="http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prophchr.html">Prophecies</a>
Here is a list of plenty. My favorite book of prophecy is the book of Isaiah, chapter 53 describes what Christ did for us.
This may be of interest to you skeptics out there I ask you to look up information about the walls of Jericho, and how the Bible's record shows to be exact.
Or look up end time prophecies and look at the emerging European Union, and how they have choosen to use the women riding a beast as their mascot, and how their headquaters is modeled after the tower of Babel. Here's a poster they released
<a href="http://www.rapturealert.com/pics/babelb.jpg">Babel</a> |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 | 06:52 AM
Joseph said:
"This may be of interest to you skeptics out there I ask you to look up information about the walls of Jericho, and how the Bible's record shows to be exact."
I have no idea what you're talking about here. Are you saying that the Bible agrees with the Bible?
"Or look up end time prophecies and look at the emerging European Union, and how they have choosen to use the women riding a beast as their mascot, and how their headquaters is modeled after the tower of Babel. Here's a poster they released"
This makes exactly as much sense (which is to say NONE) as the wacko believers who still think to this day that the Procter and Gamble logo is somehow "demonic." What "woman riding a beast" mascot are you referring to?
As for that poster you referred to, how do I know that it is actually something released by the European Union? The text below it, which I assume was written by some religious nut, refers to "upside-down" stars, which supposedly represent the Devil's beard and horns. Um, even putting aside the psychosis displayed by that, as the picture clearly shows, some of the stars are upright from the point of view of the reader. They're supposed to be encircling the tower in the sky; they're arranged so as to be in "correct" position if viewed from "below."
You begin with an absurd, unsupportable, assertion that the Bible is correct. Then you "prove" that assertion by using random texts and images. Using that "standard," you can "prove" absolutely anything at all.
As for the emergence of the E.U. presaging the "End Times," are you aware that people have been interpreting damn near every big world event as being a harbinger of the End Times for over a millennium now? You haven't come up with anything new here. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 | 06:57 AM
Lindsay said:
"god cannot override her freewill she may have wanted to live but didnt take the faith or w/e God told her to do to live. God needs us to pray because we are his arms and legs on earth. he is a gentleman and wont intrude on anyhting with out being asked...it over rides our freewill."
Gee, I thought God was all-powerful and could do absolutely anything. How could a God possibly "need" us? If He needs ANYTHING at all, he isn't the Supreme Being I was led to believe He is.
Sometimes, it almost seems as if you believers just make shit up as you go along. Nah, that can't be, right? |
Larry
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 | 08:12 AM
Lindsay
Hey, welcome back. Sounds like you had a good time.
Again, thank you for your nice words. You are indeed a very kind person.
Take care kiddo. |
Larry
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 | 10:03 AM
Joseph,
As to prophecy...I am not a student of the subject. You probably know far more about it than I do. We all have our "thing" so to speak. I find it very interesting...but, I've not studied it it depth. I'm more concerned with the here and now.
Yet, I do find two things especially interesting as I understand them. First, the age of the end of times could not start until the Jews once again had a home land. That occured in 1948 when Israel came into being. Along with that, I THINK, the prophecy continues saying something about the largest Jewish population will once again be in the middle east region? The Romans scattered the Jews. They're now returing. But, at present I think Europe and the United State still contain the largest percentage of the Jewish population? Not sure...but, if correct that would indicate the process is still continuing.
The second thing I think the prophecies mention is that the message of Christ will be made know to all people? Everyone will have the opportunity to hear the Word. That is becomign far more possible now with the advent of satellite technology and even the growing usage of the internet. Until these two things came along it was mostly up to "onsite" missionaries I would say. That's changing drastically...
Are we in the "end days"? I don't know. Jesus said no man knows the time or the day. But, He indicated there would be signs. |
Lindsay
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 | 12:04 PM
"Gee, I thought God was all-powerful and could do absolutely anything. How could a God possibly "need" us? If He needs ANYTHING at all, he isn't the Supreme Being I was led to believe He is."
lol im sorry i havent been on here in a while i forgot that i have to watch every word that i write very carefully lol
God gave us his solom word that we had freewill. he basically gave the world to adam and when adam sinned he handed it over to the devil. now since this happened the world isnt really in Gods hands anymore but when people give their lives to christ he comes and lives in their hearts. so for every christian theres a piece of God on earth(...a piece is an infitity really) God wants to stop sin and the devil ect... but because the earth isnt his to control he will use the people whoms heart he lives in. he "wont" come down and do anything on earth unless he is asked cuz it would override our freewill. everything that God does is through someone bc someone has to pray for it or act through what God tells them. he is supreme being. hes keeping his promise in allowing us to have freewill even though weve messed everything up. i hope you understand that |
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