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Hidalgo/Frank T. Hopkins
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Posted By:
Bob Schroeck
Nov 24, 2004
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I've been a long-time reader of the Museum site and have enjoyed it greatly. Now finally comes my chance to offer something back! (Assuming, of course, the search mechanism for the forums isn't broken and I'm not repeating someone's earlier suggestion...)
In the wake of renting the 2003 Disney/Touchstone movie "Hidalgo" (billed as a "true story"), I wanted to learn more about Frank Hopkins and his achievements. Google led me right away to the following site:
http://www.thelongridersguild.com/hopkins.htm
A thoroughly documented set of pages and links that show that the "true" story of Frank Hopkins is not just a hoax, but apparently so blatant a fabric of falsehoods that some historians are wondering how or why anyone believes it. Especially telling are the Buffalo Bill museum disclaiming any knowledge of Hopkin's alleged "starring roles" in Cody's Wild West Show, and the Arab historians who not only state authoritatively that the so-called "Ocean of Fire" race Hopkins claims to have won never existed, but also point out that any "3000-mile" race in the Middle East would have to have its finish line somewhere in Eastern Europe...
Looks like a perfect topic to cover in the Museum!
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Son of Pam
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 | 09:49 PM
*Why don't you people do something useful with your lives, like jump off cliffs with all of your families and friends.*
*Really, I hope you all get hit by trucks.*
Oh, Jesus...Please don't read any more efforts to debunk the Frank Hopkins myth until you get your meds adjusted. |
hilg
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 | 12:56 AM
witch hazel your right. Though yall against the story just makes me want to prove it 2 u. i mean who couldn't love the movie! I like the story. So what about cats that jump like a kangaroo! so what if her husband left her. It happends alot that usually means your jealous. If anybody has true information thats worth something write it down, don't be an idiot and write how he's still alive or gay. |
mo
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 | 01:09 AM
abella you are so right he is so mega hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
mo
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 | 01:20 AM
son of pam in earth, why don't you just shut-up it would make people happy (me especially) if you would. Also why do you say you want them to get hit by trucks i mean you don't know who they are and if they do they could be on the other side of the country |
Son of Pam
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 | 11:16 AM
No, I won't shut up. Why don't you learn to read (and spell)? I was quoting some disturbed person who posted up above. |
Son of Pam
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 | 03:24 PM
*So what about cats that jump like a kangaroo! so what if her husband left her. It happends alot that usually means your jealous.*
LOL |
mo
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 | 07:29 PM
oh sorry about that. What did i misspell? |
mo
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 | 08:04 PM
"It was a movie, a good ole Hollywood movie
"BASED on a true story" (duh, the words "based on" should give you a freakin clue that its embellished - you ridiculous turnip eating rubes)
Why don't you people do something useful with your lives, like jump off cliffs with all of your families and friends.
If any one of you had accomplished anything in your meaningless pathetic lives, you wouldn't be ripping apart the memory of a dead man and a MOVIE that is BASED on a true story. Really, I hope you all get hit by trucks."
Oh this is what you were talking about really sorry. Wow this person is disturbed. |
mo
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 | 08:41 PM
Diamond Jim
in somewhere on Earth: thats so sad how pathetic of comments you can think. what she said is right. Also saying kid makes you sound really, really old! 😛 love ya,
mo |
mo
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 | 06:24 PM
is anybody out there? |
jon
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 | 07:00 PM
what is this bs about were never gonna know frank hopkins is a conman its been proven up the yingyang |
mo
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 | 04:45 PM
why not just spell out bs. da! |
Michael
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 | 11:07 AM
Why not learn to spell? Duh! |
MO
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 | 08:10 PM
WHY NOT SUCK IT! 😏 |
Ray
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 | 08:43 PM
I think the conversation has gone a little off track, do you guys even know what you were talking about in the first place?
Come on, grow up!! |
Ray
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 | 08:58 PM
To get back to the subject,
some of you need to visit everything2.com. There's a really good article on Frank T. Hopkins
on this site.
True or not, Hidalgo is a great STORY, not something to make a big fuss about.
By the way, the actors name is Viggo Mortenson. |
Missy
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 | 12:45 PM
Seriously people, don't believe everything your head, and or see with your eyes.
If you wish to believe, then so be it. |
mo
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 | 07:41 PM
i think you mean heard not head |
mo
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 | 09:20 PM
viggo mortenson is so hot |
Alan
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 | 04:18 PM
Jealous of Sickie Vickie Ives, the animal-abusing satanist? Ha! |
Bud Rudesill
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 | 10:11 AM
One thing is for certain about one of the claims made about Frank--he didn't ride in the Pony Express. That venture died five years before Frank was born.
I have lived in Saudi Arabia and I have been to the Rub al Khali. Read my novel, Expatriate (based on a true story, LOL). The Bedouins are not horse people and never were. They are camel people. A horse wouldn't live three days in that desert, even in winter. The movie is an insult to the Arab people and especially the Bedouins. As for any such race, it couldn't have happened then. There were blood feuds between the various tribes and the area where the race supposedly took place was controlled by the Turks. In the movie, the camels took different trails and made far better time than the horses--that would have been plausible. The horses would have had to circumnavigate the dessert and hit every watering hole (along the escarpment of the Asir mountains). Camels can live on the desert in the winter with occasional trips to water that is too saline for humans or horses to survive on.
The movie is only good if you don't know a damned thing about Arabia and the Arabs (and probably the true story of Frank).
Could a mustang hold up better than an arab in a harsh desert? Probably.
It would be fun to rewrite that story and make it plausible.
Bud Rudesill
http://www.budrudesill.com |
Bud Rudesill
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 | 01:06 PM
DBH
I write historical fiction and my female characters are strong women. I would very much like to hear your story, and I would believe them. I have enough documented material to know that many of the unembellished stories of some of the pioneers seem superhuman, but the human spirit is often greater than the made up stories. Frank was probably a blowhard as was Bill Cody and many of the famous people. I've found well documented stories that make the bullshit look tame.
Bud Rudesill |
virginia
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 | 07:18 PM
:-) i just want to say it may not be true but at least it was a good horse movie any way had a lot of good horse riders on it to but i still prfer the mustang though as they have proved they can do any thing a registered horse can do on the rfd channel |
Vickie Ives
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 | 09:46 AM
Folks, This is an old topic, but I just found it with Google so I felt it necessary to post just in case anyone happens on this site again.
At Karma Farms, we are the leading breeder of Colonial Spanish Mustangs in the world. Check out our site at http://www.karmafarms.com.
We also raise polydactyl cats and have since 1981. Research has now shown that all poly cats with extra hind toes may carry the gene for (and eventually produce) kittens that show the Twisty Kat trait, radial agenesis. We DO NOT breed for this trait but we do not destroy kittens that may show it. We do not market them for profit either. If we get one, we simply keep it and love it or find a home for it where it will be loved. It is a rather rare condition and can occur in any litter of poly cats that has parents with extra hind toes. See http://www.karmafarms.com/twisty.htm for info one our cats with this trait. Flipper is 11 years old now and her "kittens" are 9. All are neutered.
My personal life is no one's business except my own but it does NOT include any of the scenerios mentioned here including Satanism or a husband "walking out on me". Enough said.
And what any of this has to do with Hidalgo is beyond me. It only proves that the Internet is any easy tool for those who wish to lie, slander and defame behind pseudonyms. John Fusco wrote a great movie based on a real life figure, Frank Hopkins, but he has always said that it is a fictionalized tale. No one has ever claimed that it was total truth but simply that it was based on a true story.
Check out special features on the the "Hidalgo" DVD. John and Angelique Midthunder's wonderful Animal Planet special "America's First Horse" is a good profile of our historic horse breed. And try not to believe everything one reads in forums like this one. |
Leif
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 | 04:52 PM
After all this time, she still can't admit the truth. |
Ha.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 | 04:56 PM
*My personal life is no one's business except my own but it does NOT include any of the scenerios mentioned here including Satanism or a husband "walking out on me".*
LOL they were taking heat over this twisty cat thing for some time before her husband, uh, stopped sharing her address. |
Lord, no
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 | 10:30 AM
There ain't nothing true about the "true" story of Frank Hopkins. |
dan
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 | 03:45 PM
she's nopt a satanist, she's a...devil-worshiper!!! lol she woirships native american demons. she really does., go out to where she lives and see her in her smokehouse someitme |
Night
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 | 08:48 PM
http://www.cfainc.org/comments-twistykats.html
http://www.messybeast.com/twisty.htm
*There ain't nothing true about the "true" story of Frank Hopkins.*
Yeah, watch the movie if you want, but remember... it's pure fiction. |
Christy
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 | 04:53 PM
Jesus loves you, Vickie Ives. Turn away from Satan. Please? Love you! |
Aggie Doucet
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 | 05:18 AM
I have to say that i loved the movie Hidalgo. I can't understand why anyone would want to discredit a wonderful movie like this. As far as i'm concerned i feel like someone has ripped a childhood fantasy from me. I am 52 years old and i loved believing that the story is true. I have loved horses all my life and always wanted one but i lived it town and my family couldn't afford one. I think what Frank Hopkins did to help the Mustangs is wonderful and i guess i relate to Hopkins if i could i would save all horses. Ty you keep up the good work and i'm looking forward to seeing your book. Thanks |
jay
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 | 09:02 AM
*I can't understand why anyone would want to discredit a wonderful movie like this.*
lol |
Bud
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 | 10:51 AM
Because he was a fraud. He lied about his exploits and Disney, Inc. propagates the lies. Since when are we so accepting of liars? Why aren't we lauding the honest cowboys, and settlers who were worthy of our praise?
Simple example-- Calamity Jane is a hero, right? This is what the Deadwood Daily Champion said about the alcoholic derelict circa 1880:
As for her (Calamity Jane) she is a fraud and a dead give away. A hundred waiter girls or mop squeezers are her superior in everything. She strikes out and lays around with a lot of bull whackers or road agents like an Indian squaw....
There is a whole history written down in obscure places that tell a story about the old West that make these wild claims by the frauds look pale in comparison. One doesn |
daymare
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 | 07:32 PM
And if you want to know how that long-distance horse race that honored that Wild West horse-abusing creep Francois Autry went, two horses got hit by cars and killed, plus one of the riders got hurt, and it didn't take a rocket scientist to see that coming, since they were going down the highway and everything. But what's a few dead and injured animals and people to Vickie Frankenstein and her crowd? |
A B C
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 | 05:38 PM
I'm a massive fan ofthe film,
I've read alot of stuff today nd you know what I really don't think it maters!
If people wanna be ofended, they;l be offended, If people wanna belve they;l belive. I doubt Frank had any idea his writings would ever be read and written about the way they have been, let alone becoe a movie! and at the end of the day is it really that bad if he did imagine the whole thing, or embelish on the truth!
the longriders guild act like it's a ersonal slate against them... I mean, really?
It's a damn good story and i'd rather stick my head in the sand and belive it's true than be a mierable sod that wants undiniable evidence of every film, book, newspaper report or story i come across!!
at the end of the day the world would be pretty lame if all the ledgends were taken out of it. |
Bud
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 | 07:45 PM
With all due respect, sir, whether or not someone likes a story isn't the issue. I write fiction and I publish it as fiction. I try to make my historical fiction as true to life as I can. But I do not try to pass it off as non-fiction, and that is what Disney, Inc. has done. It is what our government does. Do you like the logical results of the lies our government has passed off as the truth which have brought the world to a most severe depression? I am sick of lies and liars. To hell with liking a story or not. Like it as fiction or like it as fact, but don't like fiction that is represented as fact. Supporting the lies of liars is as bad as being one. |
A B C
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 | 07:02 AM
So should i be in upraw at Willima Goldman who wrote the princes bride for claiming that it was based on the morgenstern version ?? It adds to the drama and makes it more exciting, if i thought Hildalo was a fiction, yes i would still enjoy it, but it would take away that belief that one day maybe i could do those longdistance rides and have that relationship with my horse.
What annoys me is the fact every one's having a go at frank hopkins! For goodness sake when he was alive they probbaly didn't even have Movies! and a good story teller always says his stories are true and they alaway happend to him because that's what makes a good story!!
If i turned round and said 'this isn;t true but...' I don't think many people would sit and listen! |
ja
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 | 12:32 PM
*What annoys me is the fact every one's having a go at frank hopkins!*
Well, stock up on Maalox, because this liar is going to keep taking it in the mouth. |
Tammy
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 | 11:51 AM
http://www.frankhopkins.com/articles28.html
Interesting update on accusations and proof that he did at least some of what is claimed.
Embellished? of couse, that was the way back then. But a total hoax, NO. |
Fred
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 | 01:37 PM
I don't know whether Frank T. Hopkins was born in 1865 Wyoming as he claimed.
On the 1900 Laramie Co., Wyoming census, I did find a Frank HOPKINS, born March 1890 Wyoming, living at Ft. Laramie with his grandmother, Annie O'Brien. Is this the Frank T. Hopkins of
"Higaldo" fame? Who knows?
Date: 1900 26 Jun
Type: 1900 Census, Laramie Co., WY, Ft. Laramie Pct., Sup. Dist. #300, E.D. #44, Page #213B, Lines 91-94, Dwelling #255, Family #260, John T. WINDEMEYER, Enumerator
Quality: Excellent
Location: National Archives, Washington, D.C.
91. O'BRIEN, Annie head Oct 1849 50 (wd) Ireland Ireland Ireland (mother of 9 children; 5 still living) emigrated in 1860, resided in US 40 yrs.
92. O'BRIEN, John son Nov 1873 26 KY Ireland Ireland
93. HOPKINS, Julia gdau Jan 1886 14 WY NJ IN
64. HOPKINS, Frank gson Mar 1890 9 WY NJ IN |
Tammy Owen
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 | 03:51 PM
Great post Fred!
I think if they got us genealogists together, instead of those who have a financial gain, we could find out all about him. |
Bud Rudesill
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 | 08:34 PM
I stand by everything I |
Fred
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 | 03:08 PM
Below is some info that I found concerning Frank T. HOPKINS. You can read it & make your own determination as to his credibility.
Frank T. HOPKINS & family can be found on the 1930 Queens Co., NY census, page #174A, lines 39-40. He states his occupation is a "civil engineer". He is living with his wife Gertrude & a son, Stephen T. HOPKINS age 17, born in Connecticut. Frank lists his birthplace as Massachusetts & his parents the same.
In 1910 Hudson Co., NJ, Frank is found on page #183B, lines 93-96 living with wife Marion age 27 born in Canada & two sons, Frank age 8 & Daniel age 3, both born in Massachusetts.
I also found where he related in an article published in the Philadelphia Public Ledger, Sunday, March 28th 1926 that he was married to "a Canadian girl with whom he had fallen in love while a boy" & that they had "eight husky sons & two daughters and a home in Bergen County, across the Hudson from New York".
This was three years before he married Gertrude.
You can see the actual article at the following website.
http://www.thelongridersguild.com/children.htm |
Fred
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 | 03:11 PM
In my last post, I said that Frank T. HOPKINS & family could be found on the 1930 Queens Co., NY census, page #174A, lines 39-40. It should read lines 39-41. |
Tammy Owen
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 | 09:53 PM
Census info for Frank. Need to find other children. In 1930 Mary Ann, the other wife, states they had married 19 years ago (1911). The 2 oldest children were born before 1910.
Frank T Hopkins
Age in 1910: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Birthplace: Texas
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Marian
Home in 1910: Weehawken Ward 1, Hudson, New Jersey
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Frank T Hopkins 32 born in Texas
Marian Hopkins 27 born in Canada
Frank Hopkins 5 MA TX Canada
Daniel I Hopkins 3 MA TX Canada
Frank G Hopkins
Home in 1920: North Bergen Ward 2, Hudson, New Jersey
Age: 48 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: Wyoming
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: May
Father's Birth Place: Wyoming
Mother's Birth Place: Wyoming
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 266
Name Age
Frank G Hopkins 48 WY WY WY
May Hopkins 34 (Mary) Canada NS NS
Frank E Hopkins 15 MA WY NS
Donald J Hopkins 14 MA WY NS
Arthur J Hopkins 7 NJ WY NS
Ruth M Hopkins 5 NJ WY NS
Anna M Hopkins 4 NJ WY NS
Mary Hopkins
Home in 1930: North Bergen, Hudson, New Jersey
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Nova Scotia
Relation to Head of House: Head
married 19 years (1911)
Race: White
Mary Hopkins 45 ns ns ns
Frank E Hopkins 25 ma tx ns
Donald Hopkins 23 ma tx ns
Arther J Hopkins 18 nj tx ns
Ruth M Hopkins 15
Myrtle Hopkins 14
(supposed to have older son Joseph, a forrest ranger in WY, and 2 more boys)
In 1930 there are 2 Frank/Gertrudes. One in Queens and one in Manhattan.
Frank T Hopkins
Home in 1930: Queens, Queens, New York
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Gertrude M
Race: White
Name Age
Frank T Hopkins 47 MA MA MA
Gertrude M Hopkins 44 PA PA PA
Stephen T Hopkins 13 VT MA PA
(is this really him? where was Stephen in 1920 and why was he born in VT) Frank said his youngest son was 14 in 1926.
There is another set of Frank/Gertrudes and they are in Manhattan, NY. Frank dies in NY in 1951 so that could be him and her instead. That census has them in their 50's which would be correct. |
Tammy Owen
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 | 09:54 PM
Pennsylvania Ledger 1926
Out in the great open spaces of North Broad street, where Nature is at her worst and the roving winds sigh through not a single treetop; where subways are subways and the law has a representative at every corner, there is hidden a man who, no matter where he works, will never be a willing prisoner of the city.
Born in Wyoming, in the cattle country, he is now a foreman on a subway construction job. Son of "Lonesome Charles Hopkins," famous scout of pioneer days, and a Sioux mother; ex-horse-wrangler roper, rider, member of Buffalo Bill's traveling troupe - and now at work beneath tons of city masonry.
Only successful rider of "Dynamite," the famous bucking bad horse of the rodeos; guide of many an expedition into the western wilds - and going to work every day like a thousand others in the city.
Such is the present situation of Frank Hopkins, the "Buffalo Frank" of other days. A tall, spare man, with wonderful breadth of shoulder and the long legs of the true horseman, he can speak fluently in six or seven dialects and be silent in many more.
"It's the memories that does it," he said apologetically. "I don't talk more than two words for days; and then some one gets me going on about hawsses or ropin' or the plains, and it seems like I never will stop. It was my real life, out there. I live it over again and again."
A lean brown face with heavy square jaw and spreading eyebrows tell of Hopkin's long life under western suns, which have tanned and seamed and weathered him, yet, somehow, not aged him. He would have to tell of his nearly sixty years of varied life, for they are not apparent in line or sinew.
Hero of Zane Grey Novels
The man is not unknown to fame in his way, either, for he has figured as hero of several novels of Zane Grey, and incidents of his life have furnished material for a moving picture of William S. Hart's. In the summer of 1907, when Grey was gathering material for a novel to be called "The Last of the Plainsmen," Hopkins was acting as guide for a party consisting of Richard Wallace, who was a Government naturalist; Zane Grey and other men from the East. the party wished to scale the north rim wall of the Grand Canyon in Arizona, and had been making slow progress with their guides. Hopkins took them in hand and made a success of the expedition.
As a boy on the Wyoming ranch of his father, Hopkins was as familiar with Indians as with white men. At the age of 12 he performed an exploit of which he is as proud as of anything he ever did. News of the location of the Crow Indians' reservation, which had just been allotted, had to be carried from the scouting party back to the tribe. not an adult member of the party could be spared. The 12-year-old got the job, and from the Prior Mountains, in Montana, to the Shoshone Valley he rode a distance of 180 miles through the wildest country imaginable to the village of the Crow leader. At an all-night council he talked with the Indians as man to man, defining and describing the territory with the detail and knowledge of a man.
Growing up with horses as he did, his skill in managing and training them led to his first real employment, the job with Buffalo Bill |
Tammy Owen
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 | 09:57 PM
Makes Hit with Colonel Cody
"I was kind of prominent on Frontier Day in Wyoming that year and riding all over the lot. Colonel Cody somehow took a notion to me and invited me to join his outfit. I did and stayed with them for years. We traveled all over the country and went to Europe, too. I used to manage his animals in winter quarters, and in the shows I did fancy roping and riding. And my son Frank rode Searchlight for a first prize in Tex Austin's rodeo in New York, too. But I was the only man who ever rode that old devil Dynamite to a fare-you-well."
Hopkins married when he was young, a Canadian girl with whom he had fallen in love while a boy. He has eight husky sons and two daughters and a home in Bergen County, across the Hudson from New York. The oldest son, Joe, stands six feet seven and three-quarter inches in his stockings, and has become a forest ranger in the Yellowstone. The others have taken up various occupations, but as their father says, they "followed the sun as soon as they got out of school" and set out for the ranch which their father still maintains in Wyoming.
Zane Grey Hero Here
FRANK HOPKINS
"They sure do run to height," says the father. "Even the youngest stands six feet one at fourteen years. And they are all good boys at that. They don't even smoke. I don't smoke myself, and in all my sixty years I have never known the taste of liquor. No sir, the stuff has never bothered me a bit. I hold a man needs all the faculties he's got and has no business mixing his senses up with alcohol. I don't play cards any more, and haven't for years. There was one time when I quit cold and quit for good."
Little Game in Jackson's Hole
There was a little game on in Jackson's Hole, Wyoming, when it was a lawless, quick-shooting town, populated with men quick to take offense and lightning on the trigger. Hopkins was one player, and among the other three was a stranger. Hopkins had been winning heavily. The air was laden with menace. Finally, the stranger pushed back his chair.
(more of the story that doesn't help find him)
"However, that was a long time ago, it seems to me now," reflects this son of the plains.
It was in 1906 that he left the Buffalo Bill show for good. He had been to Europe on several trips and his wife suggested it was time to stay with his family awhile.
"She was dead right," he conceded. "I had to make a living some way, and I took up construction. Ever since then I have been at it and I have worked on the Philadelphia subway a year and a half now. It isn't quite the same, being in the city, though," and the light of other days faded from his smile.
So that is the man who bosses a section of subway construction far below the daylight, in the all-obliterating city. And when the excavating machinery rattles and roars in his ears, he sometimes dreams it is the thunder of a thousand hoofs across the plains.
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In 1922 Van Tex Austin brought the rodeo to Madison Square Gardens (20 performance). Austin was born in Victoria TX in 1887
In 1889 Frank was with the show in Paris for the world's fair. There are several Frank Hopkins on ships manifests.
Talks about Jackson's Hole. Buffalo Bill Cody was from this area.Yellow Stone is near Jackson's Hole. Says Joseph is a park ranger there in 1926
A lot of riders worked in Canada in the Wild West show and his wife was Canadian. Is this how he met her? |
Tammy Owen
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 | 10:33 PM
Looking at his age, he should have been in WWI.
I found a registration card with the following:
Frank T Hopkins
serial no 2550
1440 New durham Ave
age 39
dob 8/11/1879
white native born
foreman at the Federal Shipyard
Wife is Mary
Tall, slender, hazel eyes and brown hair.
stamped by the local board, div 2
Hudson Co, NJ
North Bergen NJ (matches census(
dated sept 12. No year but it is probably 1917 or 18. |
A B C
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 | 12:08 PM
Hey Tammy, you sure are good at research!!
the thig that i find frustrating is the whole argument i based on speculation... All i know for sure is I'm conivinced he existed, rode and was an amazing man! and i'm glad Disney emelished on it all... you can't easily capture the feeling you get when you're ridding the open hill just you and your horse and this film really masters it! |
Tammy Owen
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 | 06:17 PM
Yea. I loved the movie too and didn't watch it because it was based on something. It was entertaining and reminded me of my favorite childhood books, Black Beauty, My Friend Flicka, etc.
I can't believe people have spent so much time and energy going after this guy. So he could spin a good tale. Maybe he really was from Texas. |
A B C
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 | 02:51 PM
I just wish we lived in a time when you could make a living on horse back... Some times i wish i could just save up a few thousand pounds, quite work for 6 months and ride round the country, but then i start thingking what would my poor horse eat? He's not a very good doer so the grass just wouldnt keep him going... maybe one day I'l be at a point where i can do it... I hope so! |
oh, god
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 | 07:44 PM
Okay, was he born in 1865, 1879, or 1890? Just as long as you can continue to make your claims about Frank Hopkins as if they were true.
Can't you just admit that you were wrong and that Frank Hopkins was a hoaxer? What's wrong with you, that you continue to be stuck in denial? Have you taken too many drugs or something? |
HatersHate
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 | 09:31 PM
The TRUTH:
http://www.frankhopkins.com/
Now, all you haters can hate on. 😉 |
LOL
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 | 11:51 AM
*The TRUTH:
http://www.frankhopkins.com/*
You need help. |
Deputy Dave
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 | 12:32 PM
Folks, I have been following this for a while now, and finally had to comment. I cannot believe this has been going on for so long.
First of all, 'Hidalgo' is a movie, plain and simple. Disney said it is based on a true story, but they don't say how much, if any, of the movie is true. Frank T. Hopkins existed and is known to have been knowledgeable about horses. Leave it alone.
To those of you that must continue venting, might I suggest you watch the movie, 'The Ghost and the Darkness', another fine movie based on a true story. Do a bit of research, and then you can kick around Colonel John Patterson. That should keep you occupied for a long time.
Next, do some research on the founders of The Longriders Guild. (And, did Count Pompei fly from Russia to England in 1995, or are those wings just an embellishment of the truth)? You will see a strong possibility that Basha O'Reilly and CuChullaine O'Reilly (a.k.a. Asadullah Khan) may be just a bit biased toward Arabian horses and the regions of the Middle East. And that is fine. But, to go so far as to publish a book in order to trash the character of someone who did you no harm in any way, and has been dead for over 50 years...well, that is an obsession that borders on insanity.
Please don't take this as an attack on all of the members of The Longriders Guild. I am sure there are many fine and exemplary horsemen in their ranks. And I am sure I could learn from many of them.
But, I also noted many of the things Frank T. Hopkins stated about horses in one of his published articles, paralleled what I have learned during my 40 years riding horses for a living. So, I guess it goes to show we don't know everything and can learn from 'most anybody if we listen.
So, you give it a break, or continue beating it to death. At the very least, this forum has been entertaining.
I will leave you with this little tidbit. It may offend some, but what the heck, they can get over it. (Or this will give you another person to hate and attack). Always remember. arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics. You may win, but you will still be retarded. |
oh, man
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 | 03:04 PM
LOL Poor guy. |
Dave
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 | 08:09 AM
Saw the movie. Liked the movie. Knew it was a movie.
Like Tammy's take. Got a life to get back to...
Luck to all but the crazies.
Dave |
Bud Rudesill
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 | 09:05 AM
When Deputy Dave said |
lightbourn
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 | 01:04 PM
Right on, Bud.
They're the ones who are keeping it going. They know what the truth is, and they don't have the courage and the maturity to admit it. They don't have anything left but to repeat endlessly what they've previously said and bring up irrelevancies as if they could make this story true by virtue of sheer volume of words, and call those who call them on it names. But the truth only smiles. |
Bud Rudesill
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 | 02:25 PM
If the truth sets one free, why do so many people insist on remain slaves? 😝 |
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